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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    geoffw said:

    Cross constituency tactical voting pact between Kippers and Tories?
    Labour to be nutmegged by the nutcrackers.

    If that's true and it becomes common knowledge it will be bad news for the Tories.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    King Cole, we'll see what happens Much talk and little action would be my guess.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,024
    CD13 said:

    Ms Plato,

    I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.

    It still seems incredible, even after all these years.

    Show me a man who's a vegan, and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,024

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    I was once at a party, chatting to the hostess, and it was late in the evening, and she said to me:

    "You're really nice, and I always thought you were a capitalist."
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    Grim Reaper back....and after we did the allo allo stuff last night to boot...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    Hear it in secret, I guess? I assume Fallon is under orders not to give specifics!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    CD13 said:

    Ms Plato,

    I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.

    It still seems incredible, even after all these years.

    Think again: I have two friends who joined the Feminist Society for exactly those reasons.

    Yes, they were on the centre-Left. But they were still blokes.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983

    Grim Reaper back....and after we did the allo allo stuff last night to boot...

    Was it him, or his twin brother?

    RIP
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Scott_P said:

    Tories giving up on Stoke

    A senior Tory MP told HuffPost UK the party was not as well off as Labour “in pure resource terms”, so had to ration its cash.

    Perhaps something to bear in mind when betting on an early election.
    If there's an early election, money will be found.

    But also worth considering that the Tories might be rationing money precisely because of the risk of a May election. (I have no inside knowledge here).
    Also they may be facing rather large fines for creative accountancy in the 2015 election campaign.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Plato,

    I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.

    It still seems incredible, even after all these years.

    Show me a man who's a vegan, and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.
    No vegan is worth that :).
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    CD13 said:

    Ms Plato,

    I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.

    It still seems incredible, even after all these years.

    Incidentally, my association was not Left Wing.

    We invited Farage down to speak in 2002, Anne Widdecombe in 2003, and got told off by Michael Howard's aide for posing with our committee whilst holding up a giant Union Jack in 2004 following a walkabout.

    We also enjoying trolling the Student's Union and Labour Society over the British Empire, and thrashing the latter every year in laserquest whilst playing as "Enoch", "Maggie", "Tebbit" and "Hague".

    Those were the days.
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    Awesome pun from Sir Michael Fallon.

    'A sub system failure'
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    I cannot recommend any pieces of vegan chocolate as gifts.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Listen very carefully, I shall say this only once...! - RIP Monsieur René.
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    Awesome pun from Sir Michael Fallon.

    'A sub system failure'

    He is cool and re-assured - good wing man
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,651
    Having nuclear missiles that veer off course can be used as an excuse after we 'accidentally' obliterate Brussels post-Brexit.
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    Having nuclear missiles that veer off course can be used as an excuse after we 'accidentally' obliterate Brussels post-Brexit.

    Thats funny
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    No. Carwyn Jones and Leanne Wood are. In other news, bear seen heading into trees with loo roll.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,709

    Grim Reaper back....and after we did the allo allo stuff last night to boot...

    Guess what... famous people are still going to die..
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    100-1 chance in 97 maybe ?
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    Hmm. Given Geoffrey Howe was born in Port Talbot, and Michael Heseltine in Swansea it's hard to figure out which one it might've been I suppose.
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    Re the Trident 'misfire'.
    One of my drinking compadres has some knowledge of these things from many years working at the MOD and in the US.
    He was the of the view that the UK will know very little about what and how it went wrong as the US are not prone to sharing that info with us.
    Make of that what you will.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460
    welshowl said:

    Hmm. Given Geoffrey Howe was born in Port Talbot, and Michael Heseltine in Swansea it's hard to figure out which one it might've been I suppose.
    Edit. To be charitable Michael Howard entered life in Gorseinon so he might've had a punt too?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    The market clearly not paying attention:

    https://www.ft.com/content/8e5b3b0c-f7f5-3ef3-aebf-481c020c3fdf

    Handy flowchart on what happens to the £ after the Article 50 decision....from $1.20 in the event of govt go ahead to $1.26 in the event of regular commons votes on the process.
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    Pulpstar said:
    Well right now Cameron is 150/1 to be next Tory leader and Blair is 100/1 to be next Labour leader, and I think those odds are bookies taking the piss.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    Having nuclear missiles that veer off course can be used as an excuse after we 'accidentally' obliterate Brussels post-Brexit.

    That thought occurred to me too, but with Berlin instead.
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Awesome pun from Sir Michael Fallon.

    'A sub system failure'

    Brexit will mean no more EU-Boats?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Grim Reaper back....and after we did the allo allo stuff last night to boot...

    Guess what... famous people are still going to die..
    But not quite so famous and not quite so many this year - so far.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,273
    Why are the Tories hoping UKIP will win Stoke? Surely this will hasten the demise of their deep sleeper, one J. Corbyn?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,514
    edited January 2017
    Gorden Kaye was responsible for an important principle being established in English law.

    Kaye v Robertson [1991] FSR 62 is a case in English law, expressing the view that there is no common-law right to privacy in English law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaye_v_Robertson

    Full judgement here

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/1990/21.html
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    welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,460

    Pulpstar said:
    Well right now Cameron is 150/1 to be next Tory leader and Blair is 100/1 to be next Labour leader, and I think those odds are bookies taking the piss.
    You're right. They should be the other way round.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/823560665151471616

    Interesting that it doesn't mention it is a US missile system in that article :D
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,024

    The market clearly not paying attention:

    https://www.ft.com/content/8e5b3b0c-f7f5-3ef3-aebf-481c020c3fdf

    Handy flowchart on what happens to the £ after the Article 50 decision....from $1.20 in the event of govt go ahead to $1.26 in the event of regular commons votes on the process.

    The US$ is very weak on the back of the Trump Border Tax comments, and has shed more than 3% against every currency of late.

    GBPEUR is probably a better indication of Sterling love (or hate), and that shows a big bounce on the day of the Article 50 announcement to €1.1588, and it's been flattish since then, up a little to €1.1622
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Unusual murder weapon found by Corston CID.

    https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/823561794056843264
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    Star Wars Ep 8 announced, Rogue One was 3.5 in case you missed "Where does this fit in".
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    @henrymance:
    July: UK fires nuclear-capable missile at Florida
    January: US promises rapid trade deal with UK
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Gove says the row is like "eunuchs complaining about the price of Viagra".
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    Someone has said this something I would write in a thread header

    https://twitter.com/ParlyApp/status/823562824995704832
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    RIP Gordon Kaye.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983

    @henrymance:
    July: UK fires nuclear-capable missile at Florida
    January: US promises rapid trade deal with UK

    "Our words are backed with nuclear weapons"? :p
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    Pulpstar said:

    Star Wars Ep 8 announced, Rogue One was 3.5 in case you missed "Where does this fit in".

    Announced? It has been announced for years!
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    RIP Gordon Kaye.

    Gorden not Gordon
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited January 2017

    Announced? It has been announced for years!

    https://twitter.com/starwars/status/823561256078548992
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    I brilliantly posted the wrong link on Twitter, but also discovered something odd. Is it now impossible to delete tweets?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    edited January 2017
    Scott_P said:

    Announced? It has been announced for years!

    twitter.com/starwars/status/823561256078548992
    "Return of the Jedi" to "The Last Jedi" in just two films?... those guys can't catch a break!
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    I brilliantly posted the wrong link on Twitter, but also discovered something odd. Is it now impossible to delete tweets?

    No, still can delete them.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    I see Germany is bidding for Euro 2024. We should bid for it too.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    rcs1000 said:

    The market clearly not paying attention:

    https://www.ft.com/content/8e5b3b0c-f7f5-3ef3-aebf-481c020c3fdf

    Handy flowchart on what happens to the £ after the Article 50 decision....from $1.20 in the event of govt go ahead to $1.26 in the event of regular commons votes on the process.

    The US$ is very weak on the back of the Trump Border Tax comments, and has shed more than 3% against every currency of late.

    GBPEUR is probably a better indication of Sterling love (or hate), and that shows a big bounce on the day of the Article 50 announcement to €1.1588, and it's been flattish since then, up a little to €1.1622
    Where do you think Sterling may be by April 2019 "post deal" against the Euro/Dollar?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    RIP Gordon Kaye.

    After his terrible injury, its amazing he recovered so well. I don't recall what happened, but remember the story.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    @henrymance:
    July: UK fires nuclear-capable missile at Florida
    January: US promises rapid trade deal with UK

    Never mind Singapore we should tell the Krauts that we're gonna model ourselves on North Korea. We just need to take out the French capability and we can link up with the Russkies and shake down the entire continent.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,989
    Mr. Eagles, a helpful chap said it's moved to the top right. Presumably it's all part of Twitter's ongoing quest to fail despite a massive user base.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    On Trident, in the most extreme case where we actually wanted to use it - say in emergency defence of the UK's interests where the US didn't want to put its own neck on the line too - I think we could do so with the US's acquiescence but not with the US's active opposition.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    PlatoSaid said:

    RIP Gordon Kaye.

    After his terrible injury, its amazing he recovered so well. I don't recall what happened, but remember the story.
    Hit by a plank through his car windscreen during a storm 27 years ago

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/25/newsid_3420000/3420797.stm
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,777
    Putin does protectionism;

    https://www.rt.com/business/374797-putin-russia-made-aircraft/

    Though the idea that Boeing doesn't sell in Europe, or Airbus in the USA is touching.....
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    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
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    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    As they say. Youth is wasted on the young.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,024

    rcs1000 said:

    The market clearly not paying attention:

    https://www.ft.com/content/8e5b3b0c-f7f5-3ef3-aebf-481c020c3fdf

    Handy flowchart on what happens to the £ after the Article 50 decision....from $1.20 in the event of govt go ahead to $1.26 in the event of regular commons votes on the process.

    The US$ is very weak on the back of the Trump Border Tax comments, and has shed more than 3% against every currency of late.

    GBPEUR is probably a better indication of Sterling love (or hate), and that shows a big bounce on the day of the Article 50 announcement to €1.1588, and it's been flattish since then, up a little to €1.1622
    Where do you think Sterling may be by April 2019 "post deal" against the Euro/Dollar?
    I'm sorry, there's a bit too many unknowns for me to make a forecast.

    Will the US actually implement a "Border Profit Tax"? If so, the effect of this is going to be very negative for the US$.

    If they do not, and the US government pursues stimulus policies, while allowing interest rates to rise, then I would reckon that the US$ will be pretty strong.

    Will 2017 see Fillon win in France? And early 2018, will 5* be elected or someone else? Will the Eurozone economic recovery continue through this year? Or will an external shock hammer them?

    Here, will consumer borrowing stop running ahead of incomes, precipitating a recession, and continued loose monetary policy?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,024

    Putin does protectionism;

    https://www.rt.com/business/374797-putin-russia-made-aircraft/

    Though the idea that Boeing doesn't sell in Europe, or Airbus in the USA is touching.....

    It's amazing how little 'home' advantage Boeing and Airbus have. The big US carriers run thousands of A320s, and the Europeans have equally many 777s and 737s.
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    Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    I think it's one reason I'm so libidinous now. Genuinely.

    I also think the idea male sexual desire declines after 40 is rubbish. Male sexual desire for the same woman declines. Give a man a hot new partner, see what happens then. I believe US President Calvin Coolidge made this same point some time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
    My favourite story about the notoriously taciturn President Coolidge: a girl came up to him at a party and said "Mr Coolidge, my Pa says if I can get three words out of you, he'll buy me a mink coat."

    Coolidge's reply was "Pa wins".
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    On topic - “Any Labour leader would struggle with the issue.”

    No. A decent leader would not have left it to others to advocate what was Labour party policy, would have ensured that his team did not sabotage efforts to make Labour party policy clear during the referendum campaign and would have persuaded enough people to vote Remain that there would be no issue now. A credible Labour leader capable of getting a hearing among ordinary voters could well have swung it the way that Labour members wanted. Corbyn was not that leader.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,651
    rcs1000 said:

    Putin does protectionism;

    https://www.rt.com/business/374797-putin-russia-made-aircraft/

    Though the idea that Boeing doesn't sell in Europe, or Airbus in the USA is touching.....

    It's amazing how little 'home' advantage Boeing and Airbus have. The big US carriers run thousands of A320s, and the Europeans have equally many 777s and 737s.
    However, Air Canada have given Bombardier a favour by ordering the C series.

    And since Airbus now manufacture narrow bodies in Alabama, US airlines can buy American and still buy the better product.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    I think it's one reason I'm so libidinous now. Genuinely.

    I also think the idea male sexual desire declines after 40 is rubbish. Male sexual desire for the same woman declines. Give a man a hot new partner, see what happens then. I believe US President Calvin Coolidge made this same point some time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
    It all sounds like hard work.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Why are the Tories hoping UKIP will win Stoke? Surely this will hasten the demise of their deep sleeper, one J. Corbyn?

    Perhaps, but it would also (1) point UKIP firmly in the direction of Labour, in both resources and policy, and (2) give UKIP credibility with the public as a genuine alternative to Labour - 'winning here' and all that, and (3) increase the pressure on the three-way pincer on Labour, between Con, LD and UKIP.

    It's never sensible to be too cute in strategy but I can understand the reasoning behind prioritising Copeland.
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    CD13 said:

    Ms Plato,

    I used to be quite left wing in my youth, and at University I was a member of the Socialist Society. but I probably misread some of the male members who professed to be 'feminists'. I assumed it was a pathetic but transparent attempt to get into the women's knickers. But looking back, I guess that many actually believed what they were saying.

    It still seems incredible, even after all these years.

    Incidentally, my association was not Left Wing.

    We invited Farage down to speak in 2002, Anne Widdecombe in 2003, and got told off by Michael Howard's aide for posing with our committee whilst holding up a giant Union Jack in 2004 following a walkabout.

    We also enjoying trolling the Student's Union and Labour Society over the British Empire, and thrashing the latter every year in laserquest whilst playing as "Enoch", "Maggie", "Tebbit" and "Hague".

    Those were the days.

    Sounds like Osborne v Brown in the Commons.

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    isamisam Posts: 40,952

    Why are the Tories hoping UKIP will win Stoke? Surely this will hasten the demise of their deep sleeper, one J. Corbyn?

    Perhaps, but it would also (1) point UKIP firmly in the direction of Labour, in both resources and policy, and (2) give UKIP credibility with the public as a genuine alternative to Labour - 'winning here' and all that, and (3) increase the pressure on the three-way pincer on Labour, between Con, LD and UKIP.

    It's never sensible to be too cute in strategy but I can understand the reasoning behind prioritising Copeland.
    Nuttall in parliament would also make May seem less UKIPpy?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,014

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    I think it's one reason I'm so libidinous now. Genuinely.

    I also think the idea male sexual desire declines after 40 is rubbish. Male sexual desire for the same woman declines. Give a man a hot new partner, see what happens then. I believe US President Calvin Coolidge made this same point some time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
    My favourite story about the notoriously taciturn President Coolidge: a girl came up to him at a party and said "Mr Coolidge, my Pa says if I can get three words out of you, he'll buy me a mink coat."

    Coolidge's reply was "Pa wins".
    Who would ever have believed that Calvin Coolidge would be for ever linked with sexual proclivity.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    Announced? It has been announced for years!

    twitter.com/starwars/status/823561256078548992
    "Return of the Jedi" to "The Last Jedi" in just two films?... those guys can't catch a break!
    Luke was already the last Jedi though wasn't he?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    How'd I miss that ICM poll? Only 16 points.. disappointing.
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    isam said:

    Why are the Tories hoping UKIP will win Stoke? Surely this will hasten the demise of their deep sleeper, one J. Corbyn?

    Perhaps, but it would also (1) point UKIP firmly in the direction of Labour, in both resources and policy, and (2) give UKIP credibility with the public as a genuine alternative to Labour - 'winning here' and all that, and (3) increase the pressure on the three-way pincer on Labour, between Con, LD and UKIP.

    It's never sensible to be too cute in strategy but I can understand the reasoning behind prioritising Copeland.
    Nuttall in parliament would also make May seem less UKIPpy?
    Hmmmm... With UKIP all you get is talk. With May you get action.

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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,651
    Quote of the day:

    "If you live in a country where you get so annoyed with how we deal each other, you have a choice. Get out! You don't have to be here!"

    Mark Rutte, Dutch PM

    Trying to out-Freedom the Freedom Party.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    perdix said:

    isam said:

    Why are the Tories hoping UKIP will win Stoke? Surely this will hasten the demise of their deep sleeper, one J. Corbyn?

    Perhaps, but it would also (1) point UKIP firmly in the direction of Labour, in both resources and policy, and (2) give UKIP credibility with the public as a genuine alternative to Labour - 'winning here' and all that, and (3) increase the pressure on the three-way pincer on Labour, between Con, LD and UKIP.

    It's never sensible to be too cute in strategy but I can understand the reasoning behind prioritising Copeland.
    Nuttall in parliament would also make May seem less UKIPpy?
    Hmmmm... With UKIP all you get is talk. With May you get action.

    Are you calling her a goer?!!

    Yeah I suppose a party set up to achieve something specific that achieves it can only be considered all talk
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Pollution alert in London. Very high today and tomorrow:

    http://www.londonair.org.uk/Londonair/Forecast/
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    theakestheakes Posts: 842
    ICM Poll. How on earth can Greens be on 5%, they have virtually disappeared from elections and where they stand they are nearly always reduced to the barest minimum. ICM must be having a laugh, they have certainly ceased to be "gold standard"
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Trump has pulled the US out of the Trans-Pacific partnership.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    Me too. Some of the women were simply stunning.

    I just didn't have a clue what I was doing.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,421
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The market clearly not paying attention:

    https://www.ft.com/content/8e5b3b0c-f7f5-3ef3-aebf-481c020c3fdf

    Handy flowchart on what happens to the £ after the Article 50 decision....from $1.20 in the event of govt go ahead to $1.26 in the event of regular commons votes on the process.

    The US$ is very weak on the back of the Trump Border Tax comments, and has shed more than 3% against every currency of late.

    GBPEUR is probably a better indication of Sterling love (or hate), and that shows a big bounce on the day of the Article 50 announcement to €1.1588, and it's been flattish since then, up a little to €1.1622
    Where do you think Sterling may be by April 2019 "post deal" against the Euro/Dollar?
    I'm sorry, there's a bit too many unknowns for me to make a forecast.

    Will the US actually implement a "Border Profit Tax"? If so, the effect of this is going to be very negative for the US$.

    If they do not, and the US government pursues stimulus policies, while allowing interest rates to rise, then I would reckon that the US$ will be pretty strong.

    Will 2017 see Fillon win in France? And early 2018, will 5* be elected or someone else? Will the Eurozone economic recovery continue through this year? Or will an external shock hammer them?

    Here, will consumer borrowing stop running ahead of incomes, precipitating a recession, and continued loose monetary policy?
    It was a bit of an unfair question. Of course, no-one can know.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Fa laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:


    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    I think it's one reason I'm so libidinous now. Genuinely.

    I also think the idea male sexual desire declines after 40 is rubbish. Male sexual desire for the same woman declines. Give a man a hot new partner, see what happens then. I believe US President Calvin Coolidge made this same point some time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
    It all sounds like hard work.
    On the contrary, it is reviving and invigorating:

    "The original experiments with rats applied the following protocol:[19] A male rat was placed into an enclosed large box with four or five female rats in heat. He immediately began to mate with all the female rats repeatedly until he eventually became exhausted. The females continued nudging and licking him, yet he did not respond. When a novel female was introduced into the box, he became alert and began to mate once again with the new female. This phenomenon is not limited to common rats.[20] The Coolidge effect is attributed to an increase in dopamine levels and the subsequent effect upon an animal's limbic system.[21]"

    IIRC there was a student joke that went as follows:

    A professor outlined an experiment. A male rat was in a cage with two exits - one exit provided one-way access to a female rat and the other provided (one-way) access to food.

    The professor noted that the rat repreatedly chose the food proving that food was a greater concern than reproduction:

    "To avoid any suggestion of bias, we changed the type of food on a regular basis. With uniform results"

    To which the student at the front replied "Ah - but did you change the female rat?"
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    tlg86 said:

    Having nuclear missiles that veer off course can be used as an excuse after we 'accidentally' obliterate Brussels post-Brexit.

    That thought occurred to me too, but with Berlin instead.
    Once is happenstance, twice is co-incidence, ......
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited January 2017
    The recent YouGov survey showed Labour voters are nearly as pro the EU as Lib Dems.

    Labour's problem is that their EU supporters are in London and parts the south. It is in the north where Labour voters are more anti EU but have voted in pro EU Labour MPs - up until now.

    Stoke will show how many anti EU Labour voters are going to switch to Conservative or UKIP. Some pro EU Labour voters may switch to Lib Dem.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited January 2017
    theakes said:

    ICM Poll. How on earth can Greens be on 5%, they have virtually disappeared from elections and where they stand they are nearly always reduced to the barest minimum. ICM must be having a laugh, they have certainly ceased to be "gold standard"

    Youngsters who think Corbyn is a buffoon and remember that the Lib Dems trebled their tuition fees?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited January 2017
    SeanT said:

    Quote of the day:

    "If you live in a country where you get so annoyed with how we deal each other, you have a choice. Get out! You don't have to be here!"

    Mark Rutte, Dutch PM

    Trying to out-Freedom the Freedom Party.

    This is how Europe will go hard right, even far right. The traditional Right parties will have to adopt more extreme, anti-migrant policies to stay viable. The left will shrink into irrelevant Corbynism.

    Incidentally there's a horrible story coming out of Sweden, about a gangrape livestreamed on Facebook. If you go to the usual dodgy sites, they have quite convincing evidence the criminals are migrants. The mainstream media is silent on the issue. So who knows?

    There are many kinds of post-truth.

    I shall now drink wine and think nicer thoughts. Later.
    I was going to post that story earlier but didnt as I couldn't come up with a similar story from Ireland for balance
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    The recent YopuGov survey showed Labour voters are nearly as pro the EU as Lib Dems.

    Labour's problem is that their EU supporters are in the south where they lose out to Conservative MPs. It is in the north where Labour voters are more anti EU but have voted in Labour MPs - up until now..

    I think we get too hung up on the defining area/seats as LEAVE/REMAIN. If it mattered that much then the LDs would not have increased their by-election vote shares in LEAVE areas by 10% since BREXIT and only 4% in REMAIN ones. Labour is vulnerable in its heartlands to this sort of attack

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/823122855361658881

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.

    It wasn't until my late 20s that I finally clued up. It wasn't until my 30s that I realised women like men to be ruthless, assertive, dominant (within reason). I fear there is some truth in Trump's remark, once you reach a certain level of success or confidence, you can just "grab them by the pussy" and they will yield.

    I emphasise I don't do this. But I have no doubt it works.
    I have a suspicion that those that protest the most are also probably the most susceptible to err "charms".

    Projection and all that good psychological stuff.
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    DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    chestnut said:

    theakes said:

    ICM Poll. How on earth can Greens be on 5%, they have virtually disappeared from elections and where they stand they are nearly always reduced to the barest minimum. ICM must be having a laugh, they have certainly ceased to be "gold standard"

    Youngsters who think Corbyn is a buffoon and remember that the Lib Dems trebled their tuition fees?
    Easy to forget quite how fanatical a solid 10-15% of the country are about the EU. Very easy to decent chunk of them moving to the Greens.

    Which is crazy as the whole point of Corbyn was that he would appeal to left wing Green voters.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,273
    chestnut said:

    theakes said:

    ICM Poll. How on earth can Greens be on 5%, they have virtually disappeared from elections and where they stand they are nearly always reduced to the barest minimum. ICM must be having a laugh, they have certainly ceased to be "gold standard"

    Youngsters who think Corbyn is a buffoon and remember that the Lib Dems trebled their tuition fees?
    There could be two sources of the 5%. One is hard core environmentalists, who want a party that puts environment, energy, nature, bio-sphere, climate etc etc right at the centre of everything. Arguably, these types have been having a hard time of it of late under the Lucas/Bennett era (witness the candidature of Clive Lord for leader under a 'get the greens back to being green' kind of ticket). But there is a chunk of voters who support this position - maybe 1 or 2%?

    The other must surely be vaguely lefty-greeny-wingers who remain unconvinced by Corbyn and Labour in general.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.

    It wasn't until my late 20s that I finally clued up. It wasn't until my 30s that I realised women like men to be ruthless, assertive, dominant (within reason). I fear there is some truth in Trump's remark, once you reach a certain level of success or confidence, you can just "grab them by the pussy" and they will yield.

    I emphasise I don't do this. But I have no doubt it works.
    A girl asked my mate to share a cab ride home. He said yeah... Being the frugal sort.
    First thing he said on getting in... Probably best if we drop you off first.
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,735

    The recent YopuGov survey showed Labour voters are nearly as pro the EU as Lib Dems.

    Labour's problem is that their EU supporters are in the south where they lose out to Conservative MPs. It is in the north where Labour voters are more anti EU but have voted in Labour MPs - up until now..

    I think we get too hung up on the defining area/seats as LEAVE/REMAIN. If it mattered that much then the LDs would not have increased their by-election vote shares in LEAVE areas by 10% since BREXIT and only 4% in REMAIN ones. Labour is vulnerable in its heartlands to this sort of attack

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/823122855361658881

    It is easily forgotten that there are a very large number of 'REMAIN' voters even in strong LEAVE areas. Take Sunderland for example. Over 50,000 people voted REMAIN. It's just that 80,000 voted LEAVE. If the Lib Dems can motivate and pull a large proportion of REMAIN voters even in strong LEAVE areas - then along with differential turnout they can do very well indeed.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    rkrkrk said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Farron's comment about May makes me rather warm to him. At least he has the class to accept that political opponents can be decent people even if you disagree with their views."

    Exactly. That's why I have doubts about Burnham. The "I've never kissed a Tory" t-shirt story made me doubt his sanity. If a gorgeous women came up to me when I was young and single and said "Let's have mad, passionate sex. But I voted Tory at the last election," guess what I would have done.

    It's worrying that Burnham wasn't laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:
    As the bona fide Tory Boy at university, I was the performing monkey at house parties. Even when introduced by friends to gorgeous left-liberal girls as such, I did often get on rather well with them but missed several opportunities from sheer naivety.

    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    I recall one incident in the Union bar, as it was closing for the evening, when a girl put a hand on my knee and said, "Can I come and stay at your place tonight?"

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.

    It wasn't until my late 20s that I finally clued up. It wasn't until my 30s that I realised women like men to be ruthless, assertive, dominant (within reason). I fear there is some truth in Trump's remark, once you reach a certain level of success or confidence, you can just "grab them by the pussy" and they will yield.

    I emphasise I don't do this. But I have no doubt it works.
    A girl asked my mate to share a cab ride home. He said yeah... Being the frugal sort.
    First thing he said on getting in... Probably best if we drop you off first.
    I know I've missed a few like that in my time too. Oh dear!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,273
    weejonnie said:

    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    CD13 said:

    Ms Cyclefree,

    "TBH Fa laughed out of the Labour Party.

    I wish I'd met such women.
    I've just started rewatching Big Bang Theory from the start on Netflix.

    I instantly thought of Raj and Penny :smiley:


    Not a mistake SeanT would have made.
    Nope, I'm afraid I was totally useless at noticing women coming on to me, at Uni.

    She was really hot.

    I looked at her, perplexed, and said "Isn't there a night bus to your part of town"? At which point she rolled her eyes (as did all my mates) and left me to me Fosters, with a justified and contemptuous sneer.
    I have some similar stories from when I was a naive and witless youth. What's most depressing is not that I was naive and witless, but that I'm now too old for it to ever happen again.
    Yeah, I still wake up in cold sweats thinking of the opportunities I flunked.

    I think it's one reason I'm so libidinous now. Genuinely.

    I also think the idea male sexual desire declines after 40 is rubbish. Male sexual desire for the same woman declines. Give a man a hot new partner, see what happens then. I believe US President Calvin Coolidge made this same point some time ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect
    It all sounds like hard work.
    On the contrary, it is reviving and invigorating:


    IIRC there was a student joke that went as follows:

    A professor outlined an experiment. A male rat was in a cage with two exits - one exit provided one-way access to a female rat and the other provided (one-way) access to food.

    The professor noted that the rat repreatedly chose the food proving that food was a greater concern than reproduction:

    "To avoid any suggestion of bias, we changed the type of food on a regular basis. With uniform results"

    To which the student at the front replied "Ah - but did you change the female rat?"
    :lol:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935
    Tillerson Confirmed
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    Lennon said:

    The recent YopuGov survey showed Labour voters are nearly as pro the EU as Lib Dems.

    Labour's problem is that their EU supporters are in the south where they lose out to Conservative MPs. It is in the north where Labour voters are more anti EU but have voted in Labour MPs - up until now..

    I think we get too hung up on the defining area/seats as LEAVE/REMAIN. If it mattered that much then the LDs would not have increased their by-election vote shares in LEAVE areas by 10% since BREXIT and only 4% in REMAIN ones. Labour is vulnerable in its heartlands to this sort of attack

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/823122855361658881

    It is easily forgotten that there are a very large number of 'REMAIN' voters even in strong LEAVE areas. Take Sunderland for example. Over 50,000 people voted REMAIN. It's just that 80,000 voted LEAVE. If the Lib Dems can motivate and pull a large proportion of REMAIN voters even in strong LEAVE areas - then along with differential turnout they can do very well indeed.
    And they are typically motivated too, based on previous by election %share change.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,935

    chestnut said:

    theakes said:

    ICM Poll. How on earth can Greens be on 5%, they have virtually disappeared from elections and where they stand they are nearly always reduced to the barest minimum. ICM must be having a laugh, they have certainly ceased to be "gold standard"

    Youngsters who think Corbyn is a buffoon and remember that the Lib Dems trebled their tuition fees?
    There could be two sources of the 5%. One is hard core environmentalists, who want a party that puts environment, energy, nature, bio-sphere, climate etc etc right at the centre of everything. Arguably, these types have been having a hard time of it of late under the Lucas/Bennett era (witness the candidature of Clive Lord for leader under a 'get the greens back to being green' kind of ticket). But there is a chunk of voters who support this position - maybe 1 or 2%?

    The other must surely be vaguely lefty-greeny-wingers who remain unconvinced by Corbyn and Labour in general.
    The main chunk is non voters.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,983
    Pulpstar said:

    Tillerson Confirmed

    Trigger warning warning, please :D
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    chestnut said:
    Nafta next ?
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