Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Give me strength, if someone can come from Warsaw to London, learn a new language and get a job and do it with a smile on their face I'm sure your forklift driver could manage the 19 miles to Harlow in order to find a job.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
So what? There is no proof and only @isam and presumably your supposition that there is a link between increasing part time work (a 20-yr trend) and immigration.
As for forklift truck drivers there are plenty of jobs at all wage levels for all levels of qualification which means there is an excessive demand for labour in this sector and therefore no wage pressure but rather the reverse.
Lee Kwan Yew's dictatorship in Singapore and Augusto Pinochet's in Chile have long been the ideal dream regimes in Tory minds, just as certain ones on the European continent were in the 1930s. Are you aware that about 40% of people living in Singapore are foreigners who aren't citizens of that country?
Yes, as I mentioned I worked there on and off for five years. I don't remember a gun being pointed at my head and forcing my to work there, or to stay.
Singapore is the place that I believe will be first in requiring compulsory mass microchip implantation. Whether in the first instance that will only be for "workers" or whether it will extend to those whom the regime and its media designate as "talents" is an open question.
"I believe" ? Other than your apparent dislike for Singapore, do you have any evidence to support this assertion ?
Lee Hsien Loong, who took over from pater Lee Kwan Yew, was Senior Wrangler at Cambridge (top in the undergraduate maths finals - for more than 200 years a highly respected achievement) one year in the early 1970s. He was allowed to sit the exams in a room on his own. Why? Because when he was doing them he shouted a lot.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Give me strength, if someone can come from Warsaw to London, learn a new language and get a job and do it with a smile on their face I'm sure your forklift driver could manage the 19 miles to Harlow in order to find a job.
I am sure lots of very able people can travel all sorts of distances, it has no relevance to the issue at hand. Its just the claim that there was 160 such jobs in Stevenage was bullshit.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
So what? There is no proof and only @isam and presumably your supposition that there is a link between increasing part time work (a 20-yr trend) and immigration.
As for forklift truck drivers there are plenty of jobs at all wage levels for all levels of qualification which means there is an excessive demand for labour in this sector and therefore no wage pressure but rather the reverse.
Now you are completely missing the point. It doesnt matter what I think. It matters what the forklift driver that voted for brexit thinks. I am not sure you are convincing him.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
So what? There is no proof and only @isam and presumably your supposition that there is a link between increasing part time work (a 20-yr trend) and immigration.
As for forklift truck drivers there are plenty of jobs at all wage levels for all levels of qualification which means there is an excessive demand for labour in this sector and therefore no wage pressure but rather the reverse.
Now you are completely missing the point. It doesnt matter what I think. It matters what the forklift driver that voted for brexit thinks. I am not sure you are convincing him.
He has an environment in which there are plenty of jobs for him. Not a huge ask to convince him all is well.
Presumably this China trade train is also slower than air and more expensive than sea. Seafreight is good for large (low value density) items or ones that aren't too time critical. Air is good for time critical or very high value density. Train freight usually works for short distance or landlocked bulk. Genuinely interested to see which categories of goods make commercial sense to transport in the value density / time urgency middle ground that long distance trains offer. Middling value density stuff that can arrive in a few days. What is that? Electronics? Cars? Textiles? Maybe the return journey works for agricultural stuff (cheap to refrigerate as it trundles across Siberia). Pork?
President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.
A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.
Presumably this China trade train is also slower than air and more expensive than sea. Seafreight is good for large (low value density) items or ones that aren't too time critical. Air is good for time critical or very high value density. Train freight usually works for short distance or landlocked bulk. Genuinely interested to see which categories of goods make commercial sense to transport in the value density / time urgency middle ground that long distance trains offer. Middling value density stuff that can arrive in a few days. What is that? Electronics? Cars? Textiles?
"The rail connection is with fast trains, and it is developing quickly,” he said. “It is finding acceptance among many customers.”
Dismissing as “myth” that the only goods carried by rail from China were low-margin products typically carried by ocean, he said that secure, electronically sealed, as well as temperature-controlled, containers meant that high-value goods and lifescience products could now be safely transported on the ever-improving rail services."
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
So what? There is no proof and only @isam and presumably your supposition that there is a link between increasing part time work (a 20-yr trend) and immigration.
As for forklift truck drivers there are plenty of jobs at all wage levels for all levels of qualification which means there is an excessive demand for labour in this sector and therefore no wage pressure but rather the reverse.
Now you are completely missing the point. It doesnt matter what I think. It matters what the forklift driver that voted for brexit thinks. I am not sure you are convincing him.
He has an environment in which there are plenty of jobs for him. Not a huge ask to convince him all is well.
Some how all those financiers and CEOs that Remain trooped out seem to have failed in that regard
President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.
A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.
What do they know compared to right wing posters on a UK betting blog? Brainwashed by Huffpo and CNN I daresay.
Sadly it just highlights the utter foolishness of the democrats in offering HRC as his replacement.
Obama's rating is fairly good, but all outgoing presidents get a boost (as the article suggests), i.e. look at the relative ranking not the overall level.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
The curious thing about yesterday is where all the Vote Leave so we can join the EEA voices have gone. Are they happy the with way they've been used?
I asked this on a thread last night.
I got one answer which said that EEA had proven itself to be not possible and was only a transitional point anyway.
@Charles of this parish who I think was an EEAer is now justifying Brexit because "we're just different."
I've not posted on Brexit for a while and don't intend to maintain a running commentary because I've got more interesting things to do.
(Please all come to my Surrealism exhibition that opens next week)
We are fundamentally different to Europe in many critical ways - legal systems, philosophical traditions, structure of the economy, etc. We 're not a good fit for what they want to do. But sure, happy with a trade based relationship.
Presumably this China trade train is also slower than air and more expensive than sea. Seafreight is good for large (low value density) items or ones that aren't too time critical. Air is good for time critical or very high value density. Train freight usually works for short distance or landlocked bulk. Genuinely interested to see which categories of goods make commercial sense to transport in the value density / time urgency middle ground that long distance trains offer. Middling value density stuff that can arrive in a few days. What is that? Electronics? Cars? Textiles?
"The rail connection is with fast trains, and it is developing quickly,” he said. “It is finding acceptance among many customers.”
Dismissing as “myth” that the only goods carried by rail from China were low-margin products typically carried by ocean, he said that secure, electronically sealed, as well as temperature-controlled, containers meant that high-value goods and lifescience products could now be safely transported on the ever-improving rail services."
The actual point of the train service is to provide an export route for the part of China that is furtherest away from a port to the extent that its quicker to send the goods to Europe directly rather than sending them through China to a sea port to then be transported by ship.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
We are fundamentally different to Europe in many critical ways - legal systems, philosophical traditions, structure of the economy, etc. We 're not a good fit for what they want to do. But sure, happy with a trade based relationship.
We are fundamentally central to what makes Europe Europe. We are indivisible from it, and to the extent that we represent a unique branch of European history, we have influenced the rest of the continent in our turn. It is a narcissistic delusion to think that what makes us British (or English) means that we are not recognisably, definitively European.
Presumably this China trade train is also slower than air and more expensive than sea. Seafreight is good for large (low value density) items or ones that aren't too time critical. Air is good for time critical or very high value density. Train freight usually works for short distance or landlocked bulk. Genuinely interested to see which categories of goods make commercial sense to transport in the value density / time urgency middle ground that long distance trains offer. Middling value density stuff that can arrive in a few days. What is that? Electronics? Cars? Textiles?
"The rail connection is with fast trains, and it is developing quickly,” he said. “It is finding acceptance among many customers.”
Dismissing as “myth” that the only goods carried by rail from China were low-margin products typically carried by ocean, he said that secure, electronically sealed, as well as temperature-controlled, containers meant that high-value goods and lifescience products could now be safely transported on the ever-improving rail services."
The actual point of the train service is to provide an export route for the part of China that is furtherest away from a port to the extent that its quicker to send the goods to Europe directly rather than sending them through China to a sea port to then be transported by ship.
Indeed. The distance from the China/Kazakhstan border to say Shanghai, is about the same distance as it is to Warsaw. China is huge.
President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.
A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.
A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
A warehouse where you can control the external enviroment is surely an easier challenge than real driving from a software/monitoring point of view though ?
I'd have thought automated forklifts wouldn't be beyond the reach of Google/Tesla/Amazon or so. Though Amazon can and will be their own customer for the tech.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
We are fundamentally different to Europe in many critical ways - legal systems, philosophical traditions, structure of the economy, etc. We 're not a good fit for what they want to do. But sure, happy with a trade based relationship.
We are fundamentally central to what makes Europe Europe. We are indivisible from it, and to the extent that we represent a unique branch of European history, we have influenced the rest of the continent in our turn. It is a narcissistic delusion to think that what makes us British (or English) means that we are not recognisably, definitively European.
Of course we are. In 1960, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Austria and Switzerland chose to join the UK in EFTA (7 members). They didn't join France, Germany, Italy, etc in the EEC (6 members).
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
In the plant, all the processes are operated by computer- controlled robots, computer numerical control machining equipment, unmanned transport trucks and automated warehouse equipment.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
Listening to PMQ's week by week labour MP's seem only to ask questions on the NHS.
Welcome to the past seven years. Good Lab strategy.
Is that why they won the last election and are so far ahead in the polls?
I didn't say it was effective just that it's the only play they have.
No you said "Good Lab strategy" - maybe check out the dictionary next time?
Ooh get you dearie.
OK let me explain. There is a large number of problems with Lab, not least their approach to the deficit, to tax, to public spending, and, latterly, to the IRA and other assorted terrorists.
In that context, banging on about the NHS is good because it is where they are strongest (admittedly Corbyn has rewritten the rules about where Lab is strong).
So is it good per se? Well no of course given they are still in opposition, but it is good in the context of any other form of attack.
The “single market” is a single regulatory regime. It is not about tariffs as such. Tariffs are eliminated through membership of the customs union; the common commercial policy and common external tariffs. It is about eliminating non-tariff barriers - hence the rules and regulations on product standards, services regulation, environment, labour and employment markets etc.
Being a 'member' of it means you both have a chance to vote upon, and influence, those rules, and that you are treated with equivalence and non-discrimination in trading with any other part of it, if you're in it. In theory at least: it works to some extent, but not perfectly by any means.
Not being a member of it means you have to comply with the relevant rules to sell into it, most obviously in goods, but you may also be at a competitive disadvantage in providing services as you will have to clear extra regulatory and non-tariff hurdles, including bureaucracy around staffing, local approvals and certification. And in any dispute with the EU on fairness you risk being ruled against by the ECJ. This is why many non-EU businesses have found they need to set up a subsidiary within the EU such that this is avoided. Barriers to direct trade from the non-EU country can be mitigated through a general free trade agreement with the EU on goods and services, and Canada got rather a good deal, hence the talk about 'access', but, you won't have a say in the rules in any event.
(1) The EU can (and has) argued that an awful lot of things are barriers to completing the single market: social and employment laws, professional standards, weights and measures, national currencies, taxes, rights, immigration controls. And those harmonisations have then created a driver for further integration: for example, at the point of leaving, single markets on energy, transport, digital and capital markets were planned. For the Eurozone there was a desire to go even further - with banking, social and fiscal union all on the table.
(2) These single market integrations have been accompanied with the EU adding very visible symbols of statehood to itself - the passports, the driver licences, the number plates, the big billboards with the EU flags in the fields etc. – not to mention the tone, rhetoric (and reality) of anthems, foreign ministers, “Presidents”, and a diplomatic and foreign service.
(3) In conjunction with that the ECJ has felt increasingly comfortable ruling on (what most people would consider) non “single market” issues: human rights, social and employment matters, and areas of crime and justice. And a number of those rulings –particularly with such cases as “votes for prisoners” - have had a high profile in the UK.
(4) A lot of this crossed a line for us in the UK and pissed us off. We didn’t much care for aspects of what had happened so far, felt increasingly constrained by the existing set-up ‘as is’ and weren’t clear where exactly we’d end up. In theory, the EU could have argued anything was a barrier to the single market- perhaps even criminal laws, income taxes, healthcare systems, and argued for a common legal jurisdiction – and the scope of ECJ jurisdiction may have spread even without new treaties.
(5) We didn’t feel there had ever been a real hard look at what the 'red line' should be between member states powers, and the EU, on the single market – and the rest -because the driving objective of “ever closer union” only ever asked the question one way: where can we add 'more Europe'? Just removing that clause in respect to the UK wasn’t enough because it didn’t make clear how it’d apply to what the EU would do in future and how that’d affect us
(6) It felt unbalanced anyway. And this struck at the British sense of fair play. The level of diligence applied to EU regulations and standards was often noticeably lower to Britons visiting or working in countries like Hungary, Slovakia, and even some of the PIGS nations compared to the UK. Further, it felt the UK was out of balance on two of the freedoms: services and people. The UK has for years tried to 'complete' the single market in services -largely to its advantage as we have a significant services surplus – but has failed to do so. With the notable exception of financial passporting. In tandem with that the UK has been historically accommodating with free movement of people – partly a victim of its own success, but it’s had huge political effects here - and the EU was very slow to respond on both.
(7) The EU and UK political cultures were so far apart that both were unable to reconcile the disparity: the EU thinking the UK had been given quite enough special favours as it was and was insufficiently committed to the European project overall; that you don’t get the economics without the politics. The UK Government viewing the single market as an economic tool in the national interest – and also feeling EU membership helped the UK to leverage its political influence – but also increasingly frustrated at the EU’s inflexibility and inability to recognise that most Britons were ultimately uncomfortable with its vision.
(8) We had other options open to us: with less than half of our trade going to the EU “as-is”, the forecast of the non-EU global economy to be 85% in future, our own currency, our speaking of the global language, our attractive legal system, and having political ties worldwide it felt like the consequences of leaving were a long way from being catastrophic.
So we are leaving. This is for political reasons mitigated by the fact we have alternative economic options. We are doing so because in the end - in the absence of a solution to the political/economic conundrum of our EU membership listed above – a majority of Britons had assessed that the cost/benefit analysis of our membership (on both) had just tipped to leave and – as demonstrated through putting our entire membership on the table - our differences were irreconcilable. It turned out (from the EU’s perspective) that the politics were inseparable from the economics, and that was the dealbreaker for us, even though we didn’t want it to be so.
Unfortunately I see no sign this has been recognised by the EU yet, as they still fail to understand the vote, thinking we’re both ungrateful and a bit nasty, so I think a very basic exit deal is likely.
We are likely to take an economic hit in the short-medium term (over where we’d have otherwise been) but in the longer term as the regional and global economies of both the UK and the EU adjust to the new political realities I don’t expect very much difference at all.
(3) In conjunction with that the ECJ has felt increasingly comfortable ruling on (what most people would consider) non “single market” issues: human rights, social and employment matters, and areas of crime and justice. And a number of those rulings –particularly with such cases as “votes for prisoners” - have had a high profile in the UK.
That was the ECHR was it not? The ECJ actually upheld the right to deny votes from convicted criminals
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
Edit: 169 job vacancies for forklift truck drivers. In Stevenage.
A moments inspection of which will show you that many of the jobs are the same job being advertised by different agencies.
A further moments inspection will show you most of those jobs are not in Stevenage, unless Harlow, Watford and Bishop Stortford suddenly moved when I wasnt looking
Thank you, so you agree that there are plenty of jobs for forklift truck drivers in Stevenage and its environs.
The claim that there is 160+ jobs in Hertfordshire and the surrounding counties (including many duplicates from different agences) is slightly less impressive than the original suggestion that there was than many in Stevenage I think you will agree.
Even were this the case, how does this compare to the wages a couple of decades ago, and how many are full time jobs compared to a couple of decades ago.
The issue you continually dodge is that the number of semi skilled and unskilled workers in part time work is 5 times the number it was a couple of decades ago, and yet with more work all around due to the wonders of the single market, pray tell why that is ?
Automation. In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots.
Veering slightly off topic here, but:
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
A warehouse where you can control the external enviroment is surely an easier challenge than real driving from a software/monitoring point of view though ?
I'd have thought automated forklifts wouldn't be beyond the reach of Google/Tesla/Amazon or so. Though Amazon can and will be their own customer for the tech.
Automated forklifts have existed for years, and are frequently used in specialist applications. That's a world away from the original claim: "In 5-10 years almost all forklift trucks will be driven by robots."
The problem is that, without real AI (instead of the shallow, sham AI we have at the moment), robots and automated machines don't have flexibility. That's particularly important where machines and people have to interact. Heck, from reports I've read it's difficult enough where robots have to interact.
People are really going overboard and believing the media hype over AI. SeanT even claimed that the Turing test was virtually solved.
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What is a spox?
Spokesperson on Brexit?
As in a pox on both your houses?
Admittedly it's a triumph of hope over experience.
As for forklift truck drivers there are plenty of jobs at all wage levels for all levels of qualification which means there is an excessive demand for labour in this sector and therefore no wage pressure but rather the reverse.
There must be a demand for a trans siberian style service to China
Project Fearhttps://twitter.com/ftwestminster/status/821708610413723648
It's not a very bar though is it?
Seafreight is good for large (low value density) items or ones that aren't too time critical.
Air is good for time critical or very high value density.
Train freight usually works for short distance or landlocked bulk.
Genuinely interested to see which categories of goods make commercial sense to transport in the value density / time urgency middle ground that long distance trains offer.
Middling value density stuff that can arrive in a few days. What is that? Electronics? Cars? Textiles? Maybe the return journey works for agricultural stuff (cheap to refrigerate as it trundles across Siberia). Pork?
"The rail connection is with fast trains, and it is developing quickly,” he said. “It is finding acceptance among many customers.”
Dismissing as “myth” that the only goods carried by rail from China were low-margin products typically carried by ocean, he said that secure, electronically sealed, as well as temperature-controlled, containers meant that high-value goods and lifescience products could now be safely transported on the ever-improving rail services."
http://theloadstar.co.uk/china-europe-rail-threat-to-other-modes/
So glad to see the fewer E.U migrants coming to work here has led to faster wage growth. This is exactly what I voted for!!!!!!
(Please all come to my Surrealism exhibition that opens next week)
We are fundamentally different to Europe in many critical ways - legal systems, philosophical traditions, structure of the economy, etc. We 're not a good fit for what they want to do. But sure, happy with a trade based relationship.
No chance. Absolutely no chance. Robots will take over in specific circumstances - but they'll already be there in most cases, e.g. large automated warehouses. But robots are nowhere near replicating the flexibility that forklifts with a human driver can do, especially when you take safety factors into account.
From now on Theresa May's only answer to a company telling her to jump is to ask 'how high'.
BRAVEHEARTS 45%
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/china-sets-up-first-unmanned-factory-all-processes-are-operated-by-robots/articleshow/48238331.cms
I'd have thought automated forklifts wouldn't be beyond the reach of Google/Tesla/Amazon or so.
Though Amazon can and will be their own customer for the tech.
18 to back, 27 to lay!
@logical_song told me it was s good bet at 7/1
Kippers 2.72-2.84 quite a lot of 2/1 9/4 w bookies for arbers
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/magazine/the-great-ai-awakening.html?_r=0
I don't recall making any recommendation.
You said "buying opportunity"
OK let me explain. There is a large number of problems with Lab, not least their approach to the deficit, to tax, to public spending, and, latterly, to the IRA and other assorted terrorists.
In that context, banging on about the NHS is good because it is where they are strongest (admittedly Corbyn has rewritten the rules about where Lab is strong).
So is it good per se? Well no of course given they are still in opposition, but it is good in the context of any other form of attack.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/unlike-merkel-trump-understands-islamist-threat-west/
and very worrying. They're our neighbours. Not sure it's any better here though.
Being a 'member' of it means you both have a chance to vote upon, and influence, those rules, and that you are treated with equivalence and non-discrimination in trading with any other part of it, if you're in it. In theory at least: it works to some extent, but not perfectly by any means.
Not being a member of it means you have to comply with the relevant rules to sell into it, most obviously in goods, but you may also be at a competitive disadvantage in providing services as you will have to clear extra regulatory and non-tariff hurdles, including bureaucracy around staffing, local approvals and certification. And in any dispute with the EU on fairness you risk being ruled against by the ECJ. This is why many non-EU businesses have found they need to set up a subsidiary within the EU such that this is avoided. Barriers to direct trade from the non-EU country can be mitigated through a general free trade agreement with the EU on goods and services, and Canada got rather a good deal, hence the talk about 'access', but, you won't have a say in the rules in any event.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/britains-biggest-council-seeks-post-brexit-qatari-cash-150730049.html
(1) The EU can (and has) argued that an awful lot of things are barriers to completing the single market: social and employment laws, professional standards, weights and measures, national currencies, taxes, rights, immigration controls. And those harmonisations have then created a driver for further integration: for example, at the point of leaving, single markets on energy, transport, digital and capital markets were planned. For the Eurozone there was a desire to go even further - with banking, social and fiscal union all on the table.
(2) These single market integrations have been accompanied with the EU adding very visible symbols of statehood to itself - the passports, the driver licences, the number plates, the big billboards with the EU flags in the fields etc. – not to mention the tone, rhetoric (and reality) of anthems, foreign ministers, “Presidents”, and a diplomatic and foreign service.
(3) In conjunction with that the ECJ has felt increasingly comfortable ruling on (what most people would consider) non “single market” issues: human rights, social and employment matters, and areas of crime and justice. And a number of those rulings –particularly with such cases as “votes for prisoners” - have had a high profile in the UK.
(4) A lot of this crossed a line for us in the UK and pissed us off. We didn’t much care for aspects of what had happened so far, felt increasingly constrained by the existing set-up ‘as is’ and weren’t clear where exactly we’d end up. In theory, the EU could have argued anything was a barrier to the single market- perhaps even criminal laws, income taxes, healthcare systems, and argued for a common legal jurisdiction – and the scope of ECJ jurisdiction may have spread even without new treaties.
(6) It felt unbalanced anyway. And this struck at the British sense of fair play. The level of diligence applied to EU regulations and standards was often noticeably lower to Britons visiting or working in countries like Hungary, Slovakia, and even some of the PIGS nations compared to the UK. Further, it felt the UK was out of balance on two of the freedoms: services and people. The UK has for years tried to 'complete' the single market in services -largely to its advantage as we have a significant services surplus – but has failed to do so. With the notable exception of financial passporting. In tandem with that the UK has been historically accommodating with free movement of people – partly a victim of its own success, but it’s had huge political effects here - and the EU was very slow to respond on both.
(7) The EU and UK political cultures were so far apart that both were unable to reconcile the disparity: the EU thinking the UK had been given quite enough special favours as it was and was insufficiently committed to the European project overall; that you don’t get the economics without the politics. The UK Government viewing the single market as an economic tool in the national interest – and also feeling EU membership helped the UK to leverage its political influence – but also increasingly frustrated at the EU’s inflexibility and inability to recognise that most Britons were ultimately uncomfortable with its vision.
(8) We had other options open to us: with less than half of our trade going to the EU “as-is”, the forecast of the non-EU global economy to be 85% in future, our own currency, our speaking of the global language, our attractive legal system, and having political ties worldwide it felt like the consequences of leaving were a long way from being catastrophic.
Unfortunately I see no sign this has been recognised by the EU yet, as they still fail to understand the vote, thinking we’re both ungrateful and a bit nasty, so I think a very basic exit deal is likely.
We are likely to take an economic hit in the short-medium term (over where we’d have otherwise been) but in the longer term as the regional and global economies of both the UK and the EU adjust to the new political realities I don’t expect very much difference at all.
As an example:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/26/mercedes-benz-robots-people-assembly-lines
The problem is that, without real AI (instead of the shallow, sham AI we have at the moment), robots and automated machines don't have flexibility. That's particularly important where machines and people have to interact. Heck, from reports I've read it's difficult enough where robots have to interact.
People are really going overboard and believing the media hype over AI. SeanT even claimed that the Turing test was virtually solved.