Has the Cheshire Farmer or any of his numerous tag teams actually expressed any form of remorse for the ones who died unnnecessarily..I didn't spot one... It was all about how cuddly Burnham and his predessors were..Sad
Mick I have a severley disabled granddaughter the NHS has been fantastic, as have the special needs school she attends.
I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune. Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it. I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
Considering advertising/PR depends more than most other professions on employing the best personnel Cameron's record with Crosby and Coulson is mystifying. I'm beginning tothink when Cameron took up politics Carlton had a lucky escape.
As you no doubt realise, that photo has no bearing on the arguments I made in my comment.
As you have clearly failed to realise, it's not a photo it's a video of a family struggling the best they can to cope with a profoundly disabled child and it's the same family from the article.
Your so called arguments were merely excuses to cast aspersions on whether one third of those disabled being turned down deserved to have discretionary housing payments.
One other observation. Labour and its supporters always claim that the NHS is "Our NHS" As the service is paid for from taxation and the Labour Party bang on about how Tories earn more money than poor downtrodden Labour supporters, this must mean that Tory taxpayers actually pick up more of the cost than Labour do. How long would the "Labour NHS" survive without the taxes from the people who do not support Labour..Just a thought
The egregious Priti Patel has asked a Parliamentary Querstion about the number of letters the Secretary of State has received about 14 ....FOURTEEN ..... named NHS Trusts, only one of which directly affects her consituents, although admittedly perhaps another might.
How much did that cost?
Zero, or near as damn it.
The costs of the civil servants were being paid anyway
As you no doubt realise, that photo has no bearing on the arguments I made in my comment.
As you have clearly failed to realise, it's not a photo it's a video of a family struggling the best they can to cope with a profoundly disabled child and it's the same family from the article.
Your so called arguments were merely excuses to cast aspersions on whether one third of those disabled being turned down deserved to have discretionary housing payments.
Labour and its supporters always claim that the NHS is "Our NHS"
It would be ironic, if poetic, if Andy Burnham's last act as Shadow Secretary of State for Health is to finally destroy the NHS as an electoral advantage for Labour.
Mick I have a severley disabled granddaughter the NHS has been fantastic, as have the special needs school she attends.
I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune. Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it. I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
He wasn't a minister, he's Andrew Selous MP, before that they put Harriett Baldwin on Newsnight, the DWP refuse to put up ministers to defend this abomination. Perhaps Cameron with his experience of caring for a disabled child should do it.
Mick I have a severley disabled granddaughter the NHS has been fantastic, as have the special needs school she attends.
I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune. Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it. I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
He wasn't a minister, he's Andrew Selous MP, before that they put Harriett Baldwin on Newsnight, the DWP refuse to put up ministers to defend this abomination. Perhaps Cameron with his experience of caring for a disabled child should do it.
You post a video to which I am supposed to have an emotional response (which I do), that is supposed to trump dispassionate argument. Which it don't.
I merely made the point that the son received the DLA care component which is not supposed to be an income top-up, it is supposed to pay for the costs of personal care. So it does not on the face of it seem unreasonable to expect it to go towards the third bedroom which is used to house a respite carer. I note that the article has not made the point that it was already being used for care costs.
I was not "casting aspersions", I was questioning whether there was a rational reason for all disabled people to be automatically be exempted from the bedroom tax, which seems to be the point being made by the article.
And we are not told what the Rutherfords receive in benefits. So it's hard to be able to judge whether the loss of £13.50 a week is an iniquity or not.
Mick I have a severley disabled granddaughter the NHS has been fantastic, as have the special needs school she attends.
I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune. Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it. I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
He wasn't a minister, he's Andrew Selous MP, before that they put Harriett Baldwin on Newsnight, the DWP refuse to put up ministers to defend this abomination. Perhaps Cameron with his experience of caring for a disabled child should do it.
I wonder if Ed will sack Burnham. My guess is that Burnham will hand in some stomach-churning resignation letter and Labour will orchestrate a national day of mourning over it, as they did when the hapless Estelle Morris slung her hook.
So re the NHS. Pretty much the conversation that I had with my righter-winger mates as posted the other day. And nothing to surprise a public sector frontliner.
I think tim has had to phone in sick from the stress of defending Burnham, the last comment appears to have been written by a random word generator. Or at least a tim-emulator bot.
What a blooper, suspect it will soon be changed. Mean time, yet another line of attack is launched against the Labour Party's record in Office. Looks like its going to be a long hot summer.
" The Foreign Secretary made his outspoken attack as he set out the Conservatives’ plans on Britain’s relationship with the European Union.
He said that that bringing in the Treaty “without consulting the voters in any way at all” was an “astonishing act of arrogance and short-sighted stupidity”.
Mr Hague said that enshrining the Treaty in law “did severe damage to the EU’s democratic legitimacy in this country”. The treaty has proven to be deeply controversial because it extended the powers of European Commission bureaucrats to impose laws on Britons.
It also gave the EU a formal legal personality which moved it towards being considered as a state, as well as the creation of a new role of foreign minister."
I wonder if Ed will sack Burnham. My guess is that Burnham will hand in some stomach-churning resignation letter and Labour will orchestrate a national day of mourning over it, as they did when the hapless Estelle Morris slung her hook.
What odds he'll do a Watson, refuse the offer, and U turn 2 days later?
I think tim has had to phone in sick from the stress of defending Burnham, the last comment appears to have been written by a random word generator. Or at least a tim-emulator bot.
2 bottles of Chilean Merlot and he's in full on fisty-fight mode.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
Mick I have a severley disabled granddaughter the NHS has been fantastic, as have the special needs school she attends.
I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune. Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it. I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
He wasn't a minister, he's Andrew Selous MP, before that they put Harriett Baldwin on Newsnight, the DWP refuse to put up ministers to defend this abomination. Perhaps Cameron with his experience of caring for a disabled child should do it.
You and the pathetic Wotcher really are doing your level best to confirm the tories are the nasty party again aren't you Seth O Logue?
Would you and Wotcher like to make fun of these disabled people and medical experts too?
Any media producer can film a family suffering hardship caring for a disabled child and generate sympathy for a cause.
John Lilburne has already provided a more than adequate response to you on this issue.
Each case should be assessed by a qualified and competent council official and a decision made within the law based on all facts relevant to the application.
There is sufficient provision of resources within the spare room subsidy law and regulations to provide for exceptional cases.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only bigger mistake would be if Cerise left it and Burnham had a meltdown on live telly.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
Ed could have been ruthless, grasped the agenda and neutralised any Tory attack by sacking Burnham today. An admission of failure by a former SoS who has now been sacked actually plays into Ed's whole schtick about abandoning New Labour
Instead, Burnham hangs around like a bad smell. Every time he appears, people are reminded of the 81 times he refused an inquiry into mid staffs. Expect him to appear on Tory election posters next time
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only bigger mistake would be if Cerise left it and Burnham had a meltdown on live telly.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
Ed could have been ruthless, grasped the agenda and neutralised any Tory attack by sacking Burnham today. An admission of failure by a former SoS who has now been sacked actually plays into Ed's whole schtick about abandoning New Labour
Instead, Burnham hangs around like a bad smell. Every time he appears, people are reminded of the 81 times he refused an inquiry into mid staffs. Expect him to appear on Tory election posters next time
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only bigger mistake would be if Cerise left it and Burnham had a meltdown on live telly.
I've been rather shocked by the deterioration in Burnham's physical condition , he looks bloated and drained. I think he needs a rest and should resign.
There may be reshuffles in the future. What you DON'T do is panic and sack your people at the first sign of trouble. But then you know that.
well yes. but then this is a guy who was once considered good enough to be Labour leader, the reserve if Ed fell under a bus, and today he just looked plain dire, a rabbit caught in the headlights. Can you see his career coming back from this ?
There may be reshuffles in the future. What you DON'T do is panic and sack your people at the first sign of trouble. But then you know that.
And then you get accused of being an idiot for holding on to them and then weak when you sack them. At least if you are Cameron being attacked by the timbot
There may be reshuffles in the future. What you DON'T do is panic and sack your people at the first sign of trouble. But then you know that.
well yes. but then this is a guy who was once considered good enough to be Labour leader, the reserve if Ed fell under a bus, and today he just looked plain dire, a rabbit caught in the headlights. Can you see his career coming back from this ?
Too early to say. However, I never saw him as leadership material anyway. He didn't do very well last leadership election. That said, a week is a long time and all that.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only bigger mistake would be if Cerise left it and Burnham had a meltdown on live telly.
I've been rather shocked by the deterioration in Burnham's physical condition , he looks bloated and drained. I think he needs a rest and should resign.
There may be reshuffles in the future. What you DON'T do is panic and sack your people at the first sign of trouble. But then you know that.
well yes. but then this is a guy who was once considered good enough to be Labour leader, the reserve if Ed fell under a bus, and today he just looked plain dire, a rabbit caught in the headlights. Can you see his career coming back from this ?
Too early to say. However, I never saw him as leadership material anyway. He didn't do very well last leadership election. That said, a week is a long time and all that.
so if he's not leadership material who is ? As I posted earlier increasingly the question is not did Labour choose the right Miliband, but did Labour choose the right Ed ?
@MSmithsonPB: Those polled in latest ComRes poll gave Jeremy Hunt the lowest "performing" well rating behind both Osborne & Gove http://t.co/ktcl6qAbRs
It almost unfeasible to poll worse than Gove, yet Jeremy Chum manages it.
@MSmithsonPB: Those polled in latest ComRes poll gave Jeremy Hunt the lowest "performing" well rating behind both Osborne & Gove http://t.co/ktcl6qAbRs
It almost unfeasible to poll worse than Gove, yet Jeremy Chum manages it.
LOL so given Jeremy was still smiling this afternoon that must make Burnham plankton.
Hunt also had the highest 'Don't Knows' figure in this poll which could indicate he still doesn't have a particularly high profile among the public yet despite the amount of coverage he receives on this site.
@MSmithsonPB: Those polled in latest ComRes poll gave Jeremy Hunt the lowest "performing" well rating behind both Osborne & Gove http://t.co/ktcl6qAbRs
It almost unfeasible to poll worse than Gove, yet Jeremy Chum manages it.
LOL so given Jeremy was still smiling this afternoon that must make Burnham plankton.
@MSmithsonPB: Those polled in latest ComRes poll gave Jeremy Hunt the lowest "performing" well rating behind both Osborne & Gove http://t.co/ktcl6qAbRs
It almost unfeasible to poll worse than Gove, yet Jeremy Chum manages it.
Worth printing that and having it framed, tim.
After today's performance, Hunt's positive ratings will become rocket propelled.
And when they go into orbit, you will should be able to sell evidence of the take-off pad on eBay.
Apparently it's all been faked by the Tories to allow them to privatize the NHS. Miliband needs to show true leadership here - rise above the hysteria and the madness, admit that grave mistakes were made and fire Burnham. And this pantomime of Burnham claiming victimhood (with the help of his PLP colleagues) is only adding to the sense of a Labour party losing its grip.
Apparently it's all been faked by the Tories to allow them to privatize the NHS. Miliband needs to show true leadership here - rise above the hysteria and the madness, admit that grave mistakes were made and fire Burnham. And this pantomime of Burnham claiming victimhood (with the help of his PLP colleagues) is only adding to the sense of a Labour party losing its grip.
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only course of action more foolish than sacking Burnham is to keep him in place.
Using an opposition day motion, Labour has called for a three hour debate on the Keogh report and NHS tomorrow.
Well, we all know what this is about: a massive damage limitation exercise. The Labour whips intend to force the entire PLP to declare it's unwavering support for Burnham. The leadership are spooked. This is turning into Disney Land.
There may be reshuffles in the future. What you DON'T do is panic and sack your people at the first sign of trouble. But then you know that.
well yes. but then this is a guy who was once considered good enough to be Labour leader, the reserve if Ed fell under a bus, and today he just looked plain dire, a rabbit caught in the headlights. Can you see his career coming back from this ?
By who, Dan Hodges?
Bit of a slip there tim - it makes it look like you agree 'burnem's toast'. And you bff OGH was rushing to your defence - oh dear too late - it's all falling apart. Amazing the impact of one reputable opinion poll yesterday. It wuz ICM wot won it:)))
It would be a massive mistake to fire Andy Burnham, but then I assume you all know that. It would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. If you honestly think Ed Miliband should sack him then no wonder there's so much panic in Tory ranks at every sniff of a crisis.
The only course of action more foolish than sacking Burnham is to keep him in place.
The narrative might be Labour good Cons bad for NHS but as of today (for those who care) the associations will be:
Burnham = weasel constant reminder of whose fault it was in the first place Hunt = trying to sort it all out
On to less controversial topics, and there's a divergence between the bookies on the par Scottish independence referendum result. Paddy Power offer 5/6 whether you want to bet on the Yes vote being below 41.5% or above 41.5%, while Ladbrokes offer the same bet but based on Yes achieving or failing to achieve 37%.
I'm on Paddy Power at under 41.5% (that seems outrageously good value), but they won't let me put any more money on - or to be precise, they'll let me put another 9p on. Given the time differential till the referendum result, I don't see the Ladbrokes under bet as particularly good value, so I'm not taking that bet, but I'd rather be betting under than over.
Optimistic Scots nats should head for Ladbrokes, of course.
The Tories need to be careful with this. Their trust ratings on the NHS are poor. Would be better playing this with a straighter bat.
It's labout that's called the debate, they might also have a few problems as Bradsnaw and Johnson get pulled into the quagmire. ITN lunchtime said it was all an unedifying slanging match and the only loser will be the NHS and its reputation.
Die Linke, of course, cannot be included in the SPD-Green calculations. As long as FDP get the 5% which CDU supporters will make sure they do, Merkel will be back.
I'm beginning to think tim's got a point on what goes on PB and the main media like the BBC.
What I've seen/heard on bbc reports,nothing hardly on burnham,more on nurses been cut from wards by this government.
Right, it's hard for a mid-term government to campaign on something the previous government is supposed to have done wrong. If a problem is fixed the voters don't need to care about it any more, and if it isn't fixed, why hasn't the current government fixed it yet?
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I watched the report on channel 4 news.
These grandparents looking after their grandson were an inspiration, if the state had to step in it would cost a fortune.
Even the coalition minister looked shocked by this hard case and promised to look into it.
I really hope he does, surely as a country we can look again at this case,and others like it.
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As you have clearly failed to realise, it's not a photo it's a video of a family struggling the best they can to cope with a profoundly disabled child and it's the same family from the article.
Your so called arguments were merely excuses to cast aspersions on whether one third of those disabled being turned down deserved to have discretionary housing payments.
Same old nasty party.
As the service is paid for from taxation and the Labour Party bang on about how Tories earn more money than poor downtrodden Labour supporters, this must mean that Tory taxpayers actually pick up more of the cost than Labour do. How long would the "Labour NHS" survive without the taxes from the people who do not support Labour..Just a thought
The costs of the civil servants were being paid anyway
Never mind Mick. Come Independence it's no longer Scotland's problem.
Perhaps Salmond can persuade his good friend Donald Trump to buy everyone solid gold wheelchairs?
Some might see it as justice.
It's not that exceptional a case though sadly and there are plenty more just as acute and iniquitous.
"William Hague did not merely let himself down on the Today programme, he also damaged the reputation of Britain"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10183572/Labour-showed-astonishing-arrogance-and-short-sighted-stupidity-for-agreeing-Lisbon-Treaty-says-William-Hague.html
http://www.meganboley.com/content/122708_a.jpg
Put Burnham in charge.
That'll thin the ranks...
As I have said before, I am not a Tory.
You post a video to which I am supposed to have an emotional response (which I do), that is supposed to trump dispassionate argument. Which it don't.
I merely made the point that the son received the DLA care component which is not supposed to be an income top-up, it is supposed to pay for the costs of personal care. So it does not on the face of it seem unreasonable to expect it to go towards the third bedroom which is used to house a respite carer. I note that the article has not made the point that it was already being used for care costs.
I was not "casting aspersions", I was questioning whether there was a rational reason for all disabled people to be automatically be exempted from the bedroom tax, which seems to be the point being made by the article.
And we are not told what the Rutherfords receive in benefits. So it's hard to be able to judge whether the loss of £13.50 a week is an iniquity or not.
Would you and Wotcher like to make fun of these disabled people and medical experts too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frP86R9ZNCM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Liverpool
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_art_in_Liverpool
"Fifty years ago, it must have outdone anything in England...", Iain Nairn, 1967
" The Foreign Secretary made his outspoken attack as he set out the Conservatives’ plans on Britain’s relationship with the European Union.
He said that that bringing in the Treaty “without consulting the voters in any way at all” was an “astonishing act of arrogance and short-sighted stupidity”.
Mr Hague said that enshrining the Treaty in law “did severe damage to the EU’s democratic legitimacy in this country”. The treaty has proven to be deeply controversial because it extended the powers of European Commission bureaucrats to impose laws on Britons.
It also gave the EU a formal legal personality which moved it towards being considered as a state, as well as the creation of a new role of foreign minister."
I did not realise, he was not a mininster, just presumed he was.
My partner is a senior nursing sister in the NHS working on short stay admissisions ward.
The trained nurse to patient ratio during the night is 16 to 1.
During the day 10.3 to 1 plus 1 trained co-ordinating for 32 beds.
http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/index.htm
16 nurses for 1 patient?
Wow. When I get sick, I want to be there.
John Lilburne has already provided a more than adequate response to you on this issue.
Each case should be assessed by a qualified and competent council official and a decision made within the law based on all facts relevant to the application.
There is sufficient provision of resources within the spare room subsidy law and regulations to provide for exceptional cases.
Instead, Burnham hangs around like a bad smell. Every time he appears, people are reminded of the 81 times he refused an inquiry into mid staffs. Expect him to appear on Tory election posters next time
But then you know that.
'Instead, Burnham hangs around like a bad smell. Every time he appears, people are reminded of the 81 times he refused an inquiry into mid staffs'
Time for Abbott to replace Andy,after all she was also a leadership contender?
Your Chum Dan says it was 'job done' for Jezzer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/16/nhs-crisis-no-way-to-run-public-service
After today's performance, Hunt's positive ratings will become rocket propelled.
And when they go into orbit, you will should be able to sell evidence of the take-off pad on eBay.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jul/16/jeremy-hunt-care-nhs-hospitals?commentpage=2#start-of-comments
Apparently it's all been faked by the Tories to allow them to privatize the NHS. Miliband needs to show true leadership here - rise above the hysteria and the madness, admit that grave mistakes were made and fire Burnham. And this pantomime of Burnham claiming victimhood (with the help of his PLP colleagues) is only adding to the sense of a Labour party losing its grip.
The Home Secretary should instruct him to do so within 24 hrs or dismiss him forthwith.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23324783
Oh dear.
Oh dear. Oh dear.
Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.
Ed is really losing his grip.
I truly feel sorry for tim.
Bit of a slip there tim - it makes it look like you agree 'burnem's toast'. And you bff OGH was rushing to your defence - oh dear too late - it's all falling apart. Amazing the impact of one reputable opinion poll yesterday. It wuz ICM wot won it:)))
Burnham = weasel constant reminder of whose fault it was in the first place
Hunt = trying to sort it all out
Long may they both remain in place.
"It's not Zulu Dawn any more - it's carry on matron."
Are you volunteering to give Diane Abbott a bed bath ??
Carry On Nurse (1959)
Carry On Doctor (1967)
Carry On Matron (1972)
Carry On Burnham (2013)
I'm on Paddy Power at under 41.5% (that seems outrageously good value), but they won't let me put any more money on - or to be precise, they'll let me put another 9p on. Given the time differential till the referendum result, I don't see the Ladbrokes under bet as particularly good value, so I'm not taking that bet, but I'd rather be betting under than over.
Optimistic Scots nats should head for Ladbrokes, of course.
What I've seen/heard on bbc reports,nothing hardly on burnham,more on nurses been cut from wards by this government.