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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763

    James Forsyth:

    "If a shark stops moving it dies. In the Prime Minister and deputy Prime Minister’s office, they believe that the same applies to the coalition. Their view is that if it is going to make it to 2015, it needs to be doing things right up until parliament is dissolved and the election called.

    To this end, as I reveal in the column this week, they’ve commissioned Oliver Letwin, David Laws and Jo Johnson to sit down and see what else the coalition can do between now and 2015. One of those involved in the talks says ‘we’re pretty confident we can still do deals on various things.’"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/david-cameron-and-nick-clegg-moving-like-sharks-to-keep-the-coalition-going/

    We've already heard about the West Lothian Question, and today confirmation of Marriage tax breaks.....what else would keep both sides (reasonably) happy?

    electoral reform ?
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549

    James Forsyth:

    "If a shark stops moving it dies.

    On a pedantic side note, this isn't totally true.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    Alex Salmond's fantasy of a tidal-powered Scotland washed away

    "One of Alex Salmond's ambitious dreams for an independent Scotland - that it would soon become rich by exporting clean green electricity pouring from tidal powerplants in the Pentland Firth - has been destroyed this week by new research showing that the Firth's potential output is far less than Salmond had thought." ...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/alex_salmonds_fantasy_of_a_tidalpowered_scotland_washed_away/

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Next said:

    Alex Salmond's fantasy of a tidal-powered Scotland washed away

    "One of Alex Salmond's ambitious dreams for an independent Scotland - that it would soon become rich by exporting clean green electricity pouring from tidal powerplants in the Pentland Firth - has been destroyed this week by new research showing that the Firth's potential output is far less than Salmond had thought." ...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/alex_salmonds_fantasy_of_a_tidalpowered_scotland_washed_away/

    Scotland's future in alternative energy lies in hot air, with Salmond providing most of it.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2013
    Next said:

    Alex Salmond's fantasy of a tidal-powered Scotland washed away

    "One of Alex Salmond's ambitious dreams for an independent Scotland - that it would soon become rich by exporting clean green electricity pouring from tidal powerplants in the Pentland Firth - has been destroyed this week by new research showing that the Firth's potential output is far less than Salmond had thought." ...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/alex_salmonds_fantasy_of_a_tidalpowered_scotland_washed_away/

    Saudi Arabia of hot air.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/10/scotland-tidal-idUSL6N0FG2EL20130710

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=112888
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    These are not simply errors; they are glaring examples of malpractice. I repeat: The Tories at least, should have started checking contracts as soon as the government was formed. Epic fail! And of course disagree with Mr Nabavi.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited July 2013
    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    These are not simply errors; they are glaring examples of malpractice. I repeat: The Tories at least, should have started checking contracts as soon as the government was formed. Epic fail! And of course disagree with Mr Nabavi.
    How do you know they didn't?

    edit: and anyway it doesn't matter as the claims will cover all that time, plus interest.

    More interesting is the sheer brassneck of G4S. Serco seems to be the taking the more rational approach.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For our Irish PBers

    Mick Twister @twitmericks
    There was an old Irish TD
    Whose colleague he pawed on his knee
    The louche politician
    Expressed his contrition
    For all this was aired on TV.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited July 2013
    Climate change eccentric criticises Salmond. PB swivel-eyed loons go ballistic.

    Perfect. :)
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    These are not simply errors; they are glaring examples of malpractice. I repeat: The Tories at least, should have started checking contracts as soon as the government was formed. Epic fail! And of course disagree with Mr Nabavi.
    Just nonsense Mike, it's probably taken at least a year to check contracts, get the lawyers lined up and complete audits.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited July 2013
    "we're all in this together"
    STEPHEN LAVERY ‏@MANC1965 22m

    David Cameron rejects proposed pay rise for MPs But doesn't turn it down himself ! http://gu.com/p/3h8pk
    "Miliband and Nick Clegg said they would personally shun the extra money, but Cameron stopped short of committing himself to doing the same as he comes under pressure from Tory backbenchers who want a pay hike."

    Cammie PR genius. ;^ )

    LOL
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    How many opposed the privatisation of BT, BA etc? No-one suggests they should be renationalised now. The only concern I have is the universal service, if it becomes too costly for a private business to run it should either be spread amongst all postal and parcel deliverers or the government will have to subsidise it
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    In Oz AMR Research has a national online poll of 1107 which turns the tables on the Liberals by showing Labor 51-49 ahead on the present arrangement, but 57-43 behind if Malcolm Turnbull were leader. The primary votes are 42% for Labor, 43% for the Coalition and 7% for the Greens.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,972
    Phew. Got to do it all again tomorrow now. Need a lead of 250 minimum.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Phew. Got to do it all again tomorrow now. Need a lead of 250 minimum.

    I wonder if Agar will be moved up the order. Maybe to No.3.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    These are not simply errors; they are glaring examples of malpractice. I repeat: The Tories at least, should have started checking contracts as soon as the government was formed. Epic fail! And of course disagree with Mr Nabavi.
    So when PM Farage enters office you want the priority to be reviewing old contracts not withdrawing from Europe, nationalising the Royal Mail nor repatriating fuzzt wuzzies ??
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    RT @AndrewLilico: "Though it may be controversial, our tagging-the-dead policy has bn correlated with a big drop in recidivsm for some subgroups" #G4Marketing
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,972

    Phew. Got to do it all again tomorrow now. Need a lead of 250 minimum.

    I wonder if Agar will be moved up the order. Maybe to No.3.

    He should bat 8. If he stays in the team he'll probably end up 5 or 6.

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TGOHF said:

    MikeK said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    These are not simply errors; they are glaring examples of malpractice. I repeat: The Tories at least, should have started checking contracts as soon as the government was formed. Epic fail! And of course disagree with Mr Nabavi.
    So when PM Farage enters office you want the priority to be reviewing old contracts not withdrawing from Europe, nationalising the Royal Mail nor repatriating fuzzt wuzzies ??
    Don't be more of a complete pillock TG, and what fuzzi wuzzies are you talking about?
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Mick_Pork said:

    Climate change eccentric criticises Salmond. PB swivel-eyed loons go ballistic.

    Perfect. :)

    That international supergrid sounds nice and easy and cheap to set up and maintain.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,625
    HYUFD said:

    In Oz AMR Research has a national online poll of 1107 which turns the tables on the Liberals by showing Labor 51-49 ahead on the present arrangement, but 57-43 behind if Malcolm Turnbull were leader. The primary votes are 42% for Labor, 43% for the Coalition and 7% for the Greens.

    Yeah, without Gillard there to lose for Labor, Abbott is pretty much done as Liberal leader. He was never very good anyway.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    fitalass said:

    Off Topic....Although the current state of play in the cricket will not doubt feature in this thread. :)
    Daily Mail - Jealous Australians issue warning to its countrymen... about how unbearable the Brits are about to be thanks to Wimbledon victory, a new Royal baby and rugby victory for The Lions

    "Australians were warned today that the British are about to become unbearable - thanks to a series of recent and upcoming events that will have everyone beating their proud chests for weeks to come.

    An Australian newspaper has given notice to its readers that the imminent birth of a royal baby, Andy Murray's win at Wimbledon, The Lions victory over the Wallabies, the Tour de France and, by the looks of things The Ashes, Britain has much to shout about - and will keep on shouting.

    'Pity the poor 100,000 Australians living there, but hazards abound here at home - rugby tourists still lurk in Australian hotels, lolling about in self-satisfaction after their test victory,' says Sydney's Daily Telegraph.

    But in an attempt to boost the spirits of everyone Down Under in the face of an unstoppable swelling of British pride, the paper has listed 10 points that it says are worth reminding Britons about.

    For a start, there is the weather, with cricket officials at Trent Bridge, where the first of the Ashes is being played, looking at the skies and wondering just when rain will stop play.

    Then there is the English beer, bitter and lager, the bitter being bitter and warm, the lager tasting like gnat's p**s."




    In the vast glut of Pommie triumph the Australian journalist has overlooked Justin Rose , British 2013 US Golf Open champion.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Rather fun - NSFW religious truths

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO6S-NVCYAAxUQG.jpg:large
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    Mick_Pork said:

    "we're all in this together"

    STEPHEN LAVERY ‏@MANC1965 22m

    David Cameron rejects proposed pay rise for MPs But doesn't turn it down himself ! http://gu.com/p/3h8pk
    "Miliband and Nick Clegg said they would personally shun the extra money, but Cameron stopped short of committing himself to doing the same as he comes under pressure from Tory backbenchers who want a pay hike."

    Cammie PR genius. ;^ )

    LOL


    Of course there's no way you would criticise Cameron for being an out of touch millionaire who can afford to turn his nose up at a pay rise, if he had, is there?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    MaxPB - Problem is Turnbull is a bit like Ken Clarke, the Liberals would almost prefer to lose than have him as their leader and Abbott already toppled him once after ETS. As most polls show it too close to call my guess is Abbott will probably stay, but could well now snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and lose narrowly to Rudd!
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Ishmael_X said:

    Mick_Pork said:

    Climate change eccentric criticises Salmond. PB swivel-eyed loons go ballistic.

    Perfect. :)

    That international supergrid sounds nice and easy and cheap to set up and maintain.
    and of course there's no need to ask the neighbours if they want it running across their country, they'll just have to do it.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    *chortle*
    Ian Watson ‏@IanWatoop 56s

    Somewhere in the US Louise Mensch is typing 'Why Serco and G4S news underlines need for Royal Mail privatisation'.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Sean F - Though UKIP would end ringfencing for the likes of overseas aid and cut the top rate to 40%
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    edited July 2013

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)
    Queen Elizabeth can trace her ancestry much further back in her Scottish line than in her English one. Some would even claim that she is descended from Fergus:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_the_Great

    Fergus is therefore a fine name for a royal boy.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Geoff M- Since when has parcels only been books? You can even get a kindle sent via parcel nowadays!
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)

    Nothing funny about that. ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4


    Though TBH Uther Pendragon would be even better.

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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)
    Queen Elizabeth can trace her ancestry much further back in her Scottish line than in her English one. Some would even claim that she is descended from Fergus:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_the_Great

    Fergus is therefore a fine name for a royal boy.

    What's wrong with Stuart ? It's a fine Shropshire Anglo-Norman name.

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    Next UK GE prices:

    Lab Most Seats lengthens to 7/10 over at Betfair. (Best bookie price is 1/2 with Ladbrokes and others.)
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)
    Queen Elizabeth can trace her ancestry much further back in her Scottish line than in her English one. Some would even claim that she is descended from Fergus:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_the_Great

    Fergus is therefore a fine name for a royal boy.

    And this is how the Normans brought the anglo saxon line back ;-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_of_Scotland

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    edited July 2013
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles - Business investment is so awful in this country I wouldn't bank on anyone spending £500m!

    Make it £50m if you want. The argument still stands. Politicians want to spend money on things that win votes, not things that make sense
    Charles HMG is currently able to find £50m to train tax inspectors in Pakistan. Where are the votes in that ?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-supports-pakistan-to-grow-tax-base

    Where do I vote no ?
    Of course the government can find £50m or £500m.

    My point was simply that a bunch of politicians are going to be driven by motivations other than the optimal level of investment in a company
    The government can find 18 BILLION pounds to bankroll the EU?
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)
    Queen Elizabeth can trace her ancestry much further back in her Scottish line than in her English one. Some would even claim that she is descended from Fergus:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergus_the_Great

    Fergus is therefore a fine name for a royal boy.

    What's wrong with Stuart ? It's a fine Shropshire Anglo-Norman name.
    Stuart Saxe-Coburg and Gotha?

    Nah. Too many surnames in there.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)

    Arthur seems to be coming back into favour. Don't know why, but Alexander/Alexandria and Charlotte come to mind as possible names? And if they want a Royal Scots connection, James or Malcolm. :)

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    fitalass said:

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)

    Arthur seems to be coming back into favour. Don't know why, but Alexander/Alexandria and Charlotte come to mind as possible names? And if they want a Royal Scots connection, James or Malcolm. :)
    If they want a Royal Scots connection then Alexander itself would do just fine. Three monarchs and countless other royal Scots have borne the name.


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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    If we're going for mythical ancestors, Cymbeline has quite a ring to it.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    tim said:

    So we see that Ollie Letwin, following such strategic triumphs as The Poll Tax, the NHS reorganisation and the Leveson response has been put in charge of reviewing plans for the coalition.
    But the Old Etonian Ollie is not alone, he's got fellow Old Etonian Jo Johnson to help and the scrupulously honest David Laws alongside hime.

    What a team.

    Pardon?

    Surely Oliver Nitwit and wee Danny Alexander had been working on coalition 2.0 for years and then dumped it.
    Loveless partners in coalition ditch plan to renew their vows

    Parties keep their distance after ministers realise running the country is tougher than they thought

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/loveless-partners-in-coalition-ditch-plan-to-renew-their-vows-6296321.html


    Is this another relaunch with a relaunched team for the relaunch proposals?



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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, there's a lot to be said for flogging off the Royal Mail (not least because someone will probably eventually have to close it down and it would be politically convenient if that wasn't the Government). But now seems like a silly time to be doing it.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279

    fitalass said:

    Royal Baby Name Generator:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/royal-baby-name/index.html?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

    Doubt 'Matthew Samuel Sebastian' Windsor will make it.....

    I'd love to see them choose something like Tyler Brooklyn just to p*ss off Katie Hopkins

    Lets get back political frank,for ye SNP supporters, if it's a boy and he was named Arthur(king of the Britons ;-)

    Arthur seems to be coming back into favour. Don't know why, but Alexander/Alexandria and Charlotte come to mind as possible names? And if they want a Royal Scots connection, James or Malcolm. :)
    If they want a Royal Scots connection then Alexander itself would do just fine. Three monarchs and countless other royal Scots have borne the name.



    I know, but I felt there was far stronger more up to date Royal links to the names Alexander/Alexandria for the Royal family. Victoria and Elizabeth are the more obvious choices if we were guessing girls names, but still fancy Alexandria, Charlotte or Alice as contenders if they want to look back as the Duke and Duchess of York did with Beatrice and Eugenie. Philip might also be an outside option for a boy in a nod to William's Granddad.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,787
    Next said:

    Alex Salmond's fantasy of a tidal-powered Scotland washed away

    "One of Alex Salmond's ambitious dreams for an independent Scotland - that it would soon become rich by exporting clean green electricity pouring from tidal powerplants in the Pentland Firth - has been destroyed this week by new research showing that the Firth's potential output is far less than Salmond had thought." ...

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/alex_salmonds_fantasy_of_a_tidalpowered_scotland_washed_away/

    As indeed some of us pointed out when our nationalist friends were making these claims.....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited July 2013
    Antifrank - why? Royal Mail is actually quite profitable at the moment, and once the remaining deadwood are gone and it is fully privatised it should be able to compete effectively in the growing parcels and junkmail business even if letters are basically becoming a thing of the past. Now is as good a time as any, and could also give employees a stake in the business, many continental and japanese postal services are thriving unlike the state owned USPS in the US. Would anyone renationalise BT or BA?
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,017
    @Stuart_Dickson

    I can't see them choosing a name that would end up being numbered after Scottish monarchs. It would be great to have an Alexander IV but I don't think it would happen.

    And I don't think that Fergus mac Erc is any more or less historical than some of the Queen's Anglo-Saxon ancestors such as Elesa and Cerdic, and who lived around that time. I have been trying to work out if she is descended from Cnut the Great, but to no avail.

    And young Prince Stuart should be Stuart Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg of course, not Sachse-Coburg und Gotha, as that is Philip's house. Although you could cut to the chase and call them von Wettin and von Oldenburg.

    Personally I would like an Anglo-Saxon name such as Edmund (or Edward, as long as he was numbered XI or XII when he came to the throne).
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Gove being 'helpful' I see.
    Telegraph News ‏@TelegraphNews

    The Prime Minister has refused to rule out personally accepting a 10% pay rise http://fw.to/EiKDO4C

    Nick Robinson ‏@bbcnickrobinson

    Gove on IPSA plan for MPs pay rise :"Bit of a silly organisation. As far as I am concerned they can stick it.MPs are incredibly well paid"
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    kippers enjoy smearing the Tories. I suspect they read the Guardian too.

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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    CH 4 FactCheck: who runs the country?

    The row over MPs’ pay has sparked a debate about what kind of people we want to represent us.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-who-runs-the-country/13907?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    edited July 2013
    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited July 2013
    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I don't think you quite understand why he's still refusing to folllow Gove, Clegg and little Ed.

    I mean obviously it's a complete public relations disaster and hardly the first time either.

    However, it's not as if Clegg wouldn't have told him loud and clear what he was planning or that he didn't know this was coming and what the response would inevitably be.


    Perhaps this will help illuminate.
    David Cameron facing revolt from Tory wives over MPs' pay

    The wives of Conservative MPs could trigger a revolt against David Cameron if he tries to force their husbands to give up an increase in parliamentary salaries.

    Because Ipsa is independent, there is no easy way for MPs to prevent it increasing their wages. However, they are not obliged to keep the money.

    Nick Clegg, the Lib Dem leader, has already said that he will waive any increase in pay.

    The Prime Minister has declined to say that he would do the same, since such a move would put other Conservative MPs under intense pressure to forgo the raise too.

    Privately, some Tory backbenchers think a pay rise is justified, but worry that Mr Cameron will force them to waive any raise.

    Some MPs say that Mr Cameron’s personal wealth and ministerial salary means he can afford to give up a pay rise without feeling the financial pain that would fall on backbenchers who do not share his privileged background.

    One MP told the Telegraph that backbenchers would be extremely unhappy with Mr Cameron if he tries to shame them into waiving a raise.

    “If he pulls some stunt like telling us all to give it up, people are going to go mad,” the MP said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/10170999/David-Cameron-facing-revolt-from-Tory-wives-over-MPs-pay.html
    He's being cast iron with his backbenchers of course. Cammie is no weakling. ;)
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    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I posted this earlier to the Pork, it was only a matter of time, but to be honest, I thought it would be him.

    "Of course there's no way you would criticise Cameron for being an out of touch millionaire who can afford to turn his nose up at a pay rise, if he had, is there?"
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I posted this earlier to the Pork, it was only a matter of time, but to be honest, I thought it would be him.
    Sadly for you it's tory backbenchers and they who who are the cause.

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    Mick_Pork said:



    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I posted this earlier to the Pork, it was only a matter of time, but to be honest, I thought it would be him.
    Sadly for you it's tory backbenchers and they who who are the cause.

    Why is it sad for me?

    You are a mono maniac, who will criticise Cameron regardless which direction he takes at any possible two response question. You need to step away from the keyboard and get some perspective about how you are viewed by others.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited July 2013
    perdix said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening. Poor day for Els in Scotland today.

    @politicshome
    Francis Maude tells #PM some "utterly deplorable" cases do not mean whole process of private sector contracting is flawed.

    It's amazing that the conservative party, the so called party of and for business, has no idea how to conduct business contracts and negotiations. And why is this? Because the modern Tories have had no job outside the Westminster Bubble. The way Maude answered ‎Eddie Mair was pathetic. You could almost hear him crying, enough!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23272708

    These contracts were running from 2004 onwards.

    It was this government that picked up the errors.

    goodness knows there's enough to criticise this government for, without making sh1t up
    kippers enjoy smearing the Tories. I suspect they read the Guardian too.

    I suspect it's because they are "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists". Or was it "cranks, gadflies and extremists"? It can't have been "swivel-eyed loons" as that was tory activists.

    ;)

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Mick Pork - Well if Tory MPs, who earn over £60,000 a year, and are in the top 10% of wage earners, can't give up a 10% pay rise at a time when most private sector workers are seeing their pay frozen and public sector workers are being made redundant and benefits are being cut, then quite frankly the Tories deserve to lose! (I would make an exception for the excellent Charles Walker who on R4 this morning wanted to scrap IPSA)
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited July 2013

    James Forsyth:

    "If a shark stops moving it dies. In the Prime Minister and deputy Prime Minister’s office, they believe that the same applies to the coalition. Their view is that if it is going to make it to 2015, it needs to be doing things right up until parliament is dissolved and the election called.

    To this end, as I reveal in the column this week, they’ve commissioned Oliver Letwin, David Laws and Jo Johnson to sit down and see what else the coalition can do between now and 2015. One of those involved in the talks says ‘we’re pretty confident we can still do deals on various things.’"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/07/david-cameron-and-nick-clegg-moving-like-sharks-to-keep-the-coalition-going/

    We've already heard about the West Lothian Question, and today confirmation of Marriage tax breaks.....what else would keep both sides (reasonably) happy?

    They could just work their way through the Hannan/Carwell 'Plan'. Increasing democratic accountability should be something that would appeal to both LDs and Conservatives.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10094884/A-new-dawn-for-Parliament.html

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0955979900
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    myvanilla88 - well it was bound to happen I suppose
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    Mick_Pork said:



    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I posted this earlier to the Pork, it was only a matter of time, but to be honest, I thought it would be him.
    Sadly for you it's tory backbenchers and they who who are the cause.

    Why is it sad for me?
    Because you were whining about it so much and clearly didn't understand why Cammie did as he has done. But carry on brave keyboard warrior as your inept bluster is certainly amusing though on the PB tory scale of things pretty weak actually. Try harder. :)

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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    HYUFD Are the brothers going to turn down the pay rise
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    Mick_Pork said:

    Mick_Pork said:



    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - It must be tight on his £140,000 salary and few million inheritance, coupled with his wife's family pile? Couldn't Dave at least give it to charity or something? Kudos to Gove though

    I posted this earlier to the Pork, it was only a matter of time, but to be honest, I thought it would be him.
    Sadly for you it's tory backbenchers and they who who are the cause.

    Why is it sad for me?
    Because you were whining about it so much and clearly didn't understand why Cammie did as he has done. But carry on brave keyboard warrior as your inept bluster is certainly amusing though on the PB tory scale of things pretty weak actually. Try harder. :)

    You're embarrasing yourself now with your repetitive schtick. I have made two post on this forum, so your inept bog standard response doesn't work in this case.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    A quick TV post - just came across a series called Waking the Dead. It looks good, and amazon has a killer deal on a series 1-9 box set.

    Is it any good?
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tor Books ‏@torbooks
    MT @tordotcom: George R. R. Martin shows us what the Iron Throne really looks like via this terrifying illustration: http://bit.ly/12m5yay
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Richard Dodd - I would assume from Ed Miliband's refusal to take the rise they may well do.
    If I were Miliband I would demand all Labour MPs refuse to take the pay rise, if the Tories take it, I think Labour could get a landslide which would surpass even 1997!
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited July 2013
    HYUFD said:

    Mick Pork - Well if Tory MPs, who earn over £60,000 a year, and are in the top 10% of wage earners, can't give up a 10% pay rise at a time when most private sector workers are seeing their pay frozen and public sector workers are being made redundant and benefits are being cut, then quite frankly the Tories deserve to lose! (I would make an exception for the excellent Charles Walker who on R4 this morning wanted to scrap IPSA)

    Scrap IPSA and replace it with what though? Let's not pretend IPSA was some big bad bureaucracy imposed on put upon MPs to cruelly make them look bad with this pay rise.

    It's doing precisely what the party leaders set it up to do. It took huge amounts of flak and had the unenviable task of getting many arrogant MPs to fess up and get their house in order after an MPs expenses scandal that the public aren't about to soon forget.

    It is riddled with problems and often makes blunders but it's been under pressure from day one, particularly from some MPs who see it as an upstart organisation that simply doesn't know it's place.

    The threat about another MPs expenses scandal if they don't accept this pay rise is sheer lunacy from IPSA.
    Peter Waud ‏@frogcave

    When someone gets nicked for benefit fraud, they don't increase their benefit do they? So the answer to #MPs fiddling expenses is a pay rise
    Yet scrapping it without having fixed the problem is just as mad.

    If they want to scrap IPSA then they have to come up with a new set of rules to abide by and they showed a marked reluctance to tackle that properly the first time and were happy to throw the problem at IPSA. Then quickly tried to forget about why it's there in the first place.
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    HYUFD said:

    Richard Dodd - I would assume from Ed Miliband's refusal to take the rise they may well do.
    If I were Miliband I would demand all Labour MPs refuse to take the pay rise, if the Tories take it, I think Labour could get a landslide which would surpass even 1997!

    The pay rise is part of an overall package. They will lose other benefits, such as final salary pension.

    Would you prefer they keep the existing benefits which in the longer term will cost more? Or would you prefer them to have an increase in basic salary?

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    Tim - well true, but Dave has hardly ever been poor either (and Gove did not grow up rich, he was adopted by a couple who had an Aberdeen fish business)
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    HYUFD said:

    Tim - well true, but Dave has hardly ever been poor either (and Gove did not grow up rich, he was adopted by a couple who had an Aberdeen fish business)

    Let's not get carried away. Gove was clearly nowhere near Cammie's levels of privilege and wealth, but not every Aberdonian child had a father who owned a fish processing business either. He had a far more grounded upbringing than most tory frontbenchers but there's no need to lay it on quite so thick. Oliver Twist he was not.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited July 2013
    FWIW..No MP shoudld be given or accept a pay rise that exceeds those given to public sector workers.Their pensions should be pulled back from final salary status. Any profit made from the sale of second homes financed by the tax payer should revert to the treasury with perhaps a 20% payment to the MP. Redundancy, losing their seat, should be paid at the usual civil service rate.All subsidised food and beverage should be stopped. Allowances above certain levels should be taxed as is common in other industries. FWIW
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164
    MickPork - He was solidly middle-class, but as you say clearly not Cameron family rich either!
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I don't think the public trust privatisation, whatever the issues with the public sector. Maybe that's 'the thing' that needs addressing.
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