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    Dromedary said:

    Women are a far more subjugated group than black people

    ?????

    women are a majority of the population, a majority of the electorate and outperform men in education. They live longer lives, have better social networks and have had a century of improving prospects.

    In what way are they subjugated ?

    I know they are a majority.

    A candidate currently polling at over 40% can be exposed talking about sexually assaulting women as if it were amusing and something to boast about and he doesn't have to resign within hours - that's how.

    But its just fine and dandy for a liberal POTUS candidate to make bigoted derogatory comments about Roman Catholics.
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    PlatoSaid said:

    That'll push a few into the other column

    Hillary Emails
    #ReligiousBigotry https://t.co/cliwcRgSU8

    Mrs 'Titus Oates' Clinton is a bigot of the worst sort.
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    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

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    welshowl said:

    IanB2 said:

    murali_s said:

    The shit is beginning to hit the fan folks...

    http://news.sky.com/story/fuel-prices-to-soar-by-5p-a-litre-within-weeks-after-pound-slump-10612999

    Inflation is going to be a huge political hot potato over the next year or so ...

    No it isn't. Current inflation rate is 0.6%. It has a very long way to rise to reach the target BoE of 2% and even then it can rise substantially more before anyone would bat an eyelid.

    And given that interest rates are at historic lows the BoE has huge scope to intervene if the interest rate did begin to cause concern.

    A 5p rise in petrol prices is not even registering at the moment with oil prices being so low.
    Inflation is going to be a bigger story in the months ahead - remember that once a 'shock' event gets in the data, it stays in the monthly infation figures for the next 12 months, so next year Brexit inflation will be regularly in the news. But I agree the current 0.6% is not of concern and little has fed into recorded CPI as yet.

    The elephant in the room Is the risks of a sharp rise in government financing costs - the ten-year bond rare has risen from 0.7% to 1.0% alongside the fall in the £ - which again is no reason for concern; however if the £ continues to sink there may come a point where this jumps (indicating that the inflow of finance we need to cover our significant current account deficit is drying up) and if this happens there would likely be some panic, given the size of our public debt. This is the scenario where the government would come under a lot of pressure to 'do something', or at least to reassure and try and stabilise the ship.
    And that rise in govt financing costs is what companies, labouring under the near £trillion pension debt caused by looney tunes accounting forced on them by the current pension legislation, and the self same low govt financing costs in the shape of 3 century low gilt yields, need. Badly. Now.

    Inflation at the sort of levels we'd be talking about and an attendant rise in 20yr gilt yields to say 3% would free up squillions in the private sector. Far from a problem it's a cause for celebration as one of the great hidden unbalances unwinds.
    Where is that like button.

    However you cant be too surprised if the asset rich and over leveraged who have benefited astonishingly from the sutuation in the last few yeara squeal like stuck pigs. Brexit is going to hurt them - a lot.
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    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    At the current moment I would say they are rather more dangerous, given that the IRA have hibernated.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    You know Alex Jones is paying them right?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    edited October 2016
    nunu said:

    You know Alex Jones is paying them right?
    The Clintons? :)

    Seriously, yes I subsequently saw the t-shirts advertising his website...
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    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

    You might get banned from here for comments like that given where OGH lives!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Brandon Wall ‏@Walldo
    Donald Trump just told a crowd to vote on November 28th
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Kevin Schofield
    Stop The War Coalition spokesman on Today gets his point in just before they go to the weather "... and that means opposing the West."
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    nunu said:

    You know Alex Jones is paying them right?
    The Clintons? :)

    Seriously, yes I subsequently saw the t-shirts advertising his website...
    "They say listen, Obama and Hillary both smell like sulfur. I never said this because the media will go crazy with it, but I've talked to people that are in protective details, they're scared of her. And they say listen, she's a frickin' demon and she stinks and so does Obama. I go, like what? Sulfur. They smell like Hell."

    https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/10/trump-ally-alex-jones-i-was-told-people-around-clinton-shes-demon-possessed/213712

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,071

    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

    Since it no longer exists, Middlesex, probably. Although it’s team did win cricket’s County Championship!
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    James Lyons
    Labour asking 170 questions on brexit? set five, ten even 12 tests for but asking 170 questions makes you sound like a six year old
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,083
    edited October 2016

    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?
    I'll get banned for this, but I'd say Bedfordshire. ISTR the only National Trust property (as opposed to land) in the county is a dovecot. It's a nice dovecot, but a dovecot nonetheless. ;)

    'Worst' county: Lincolnshite or Essex.

    Most glorious county: Derbyshire.

    Best county: Cornwall / Devon.

    I'll get my coat.

    Edit: I forgot about Lancashire; surely a candidate for 'worst' ...
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited October 2016

    Dromedary said:

    Sean_F said:

    Dromedary said:

    The first black woman elected to the US Congress, Shirley Chisholm, who was also the first black candidate for a major party's presidential nomination (for the Democrats in 1972), said that she met far more discrimination for being a woman than for being black. Other black women politicians have said the same. Things haven't changed much on that score. People who don't get this should step back and consider. Imagine if a presidential nominee had boasted about tripping up black people rather than sexually assaulting women.

    I don't really want to play Oppression Olympics.

    There are places where women are treated terribly, but the US isn't generally one of them.
    The effect on Trump's campaign of a tape showing him talk derogatorily about women, versus the effect of one showing him talk derogatorily about black people, is an issue that's very relevant to this election, whether anyone likes it or not. The campaign has survived him talking positively about sexually assaulting women; it will not survive him using the N-word to refer to black people.That's what I'm asserting, and whether I'm right or not has to do with the question of the relative acceptability of the oppression of the two groups in the US.

    That women, generally speaking, have a worse time in Saudi Arabia than they do in the US is not so relevant to this election. You're making the wrong comparison.
    I wouldn't bet on that.
    That is just what you should bet on. 538 has averaged the polls to find Trump 15 points down among women voters and up five with men. Trump could win this if he weren't so determined to repel large voter groups -- whether or not they'd be worse off elsewhere.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-women-are-defeating-donald-trump/
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,728

    Scott_P said:

    Nope the real dangerous lunatics are those like you who are so utterly desperate for Brexit to fail they will cheer absolutely anything that looks remotely like bad news for the UK. They are the same people who were willing to sell the country out to the EU no matter how bad the deal and who are still frantically trying to find some way to overturn the referendum result. Utter scum.

    Turn them in...

    https://twitter.com/seanjonesqc/status/785974007338307584
    Traitorous Remaitor Pigdogs. Ve are ze majority, you vill obey or you vill pay. Clump.
    'The will of the British People' , well just over half of them (at the time).
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,978
    edited October 2016

    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

    Since it no longer exists, Middlesex, probably. Although it’s team did win cricket’s County Championship!

    Middlesex still exists:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/may/30/1
    http://www.middlesexfederation.com/trust/trust-home

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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    James Lyons
    Labour asking 170 questions on brexit? set five, ten even 12 tests for but asking 170 questions makes you sound like a six year old

    I bet by about 130 they're down to things like "Which is the least glorious of English counties"? cause surely they know only the insane will read that far
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,422
    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    Johnson is polling strongly in Alaska too. If these third-party candidates have anything about them (which is questionable) the'd be spending big on these small states where they're running well into double figures. If they could get a lead in an individual state poll, it could well set off a very positive media cycle for them. That said, it's probably too late now. They should really have been doing it a month ago.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    nunu said:

    Brandon Wall ‏@Walldo
    Donald Trump just told a crowd to vote on November 28th

    same day as trump university trial. on his mind...
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,071
    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    Do Mormons gamble?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,728
    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308
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    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Can the Tories stick together on this?

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,071

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    No, no, it’s going to the NHS. Boris said so.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I honestly can't believe how surreal this is getting

    Video

    Jared Wyand
    BREAKING: ICE Officials just told Trump that illegals are being allowed to vote & that's why Obama won't deport criminals.

    #WorldSmileDay https://t.co/P4nUT9vqpF
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Take back comptrol.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,728
    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    Hasn't registered on 538 yet, Trump still 15% ahead.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,071
    PlatoSaid said:

    I honestly can't believe how surreal this is getting

    Video

    Jared Wyand
    BREAKING: ICE Officials just told Trump that illegals are being allowed to vote & that's why Obama won't deport criminals.

    #WorldSmileDay https://t.co/P4nUT9vqpF

    There are some really nasty tweets below it. Just wonder how Trump will react as the results are announced and he’s losing. Especially if there are one or two very narrow margins.
    Al Gore it won’t be!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,083
    PlatoSaid said:

    I honestly can't believe how surreal this is getting

    Video

    Jared Wyand
    BREAKING: ICE Officials just told Trump that illegals are being allowed to vote & that's why Obama won't deport criminals.

    #WorldSmileDay https://t.co/P4nUT9vqpF

    Plato, I know you had a disagreement with me yesterday, but I must ask: do you believe everything you read on Twitter, or do you only believe it when it matches your views?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    Still 6/1 with Messrs William Hill.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,763
    Dromedary said:

    Women are a far more subjugated group than black people

    ?????

    women are a majority of the population, a majority of the electorate and outperform men in education. They live longer lives, have better social networks and have had a century of improving prospects.

    In what way are they subjugated ?

    I know they are a majority.

    A candidate currently polling at over 40% can be exposed talking about sexually assaulting women as if it were amusing and something to boast about and he doesn't have to resign within hours - that's how.

    if that were your criteria, America's Hall of Fame would be looking pretty empty, JFK, Martin Luther King, Bill Clinton all cheating womanisers.

    And as ever you still avoid the question, should Bill be let near the White House ?

    Will the G7 First Husbands \ wives descend into locker room chaos as Bill asks Mrs Trudeau has she seen what he can do with a cigar ?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,672

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Take back comptrol.
    Am I reading you right when I say you're an ardent Trump supporter, and a strong Remainer?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    Still 6/1 with Messrs William Hill.
    And 5/1 with Shadsy.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    Do Mormons gamble?
    What Mormons do is travel abroad (as missionaries) so are probably less receptive to Trump's anti-foreigner rhetoric.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Take back comptrol.
    Am I reading you right when I say you're an ardent Trump supporter, and a strong Remainer?
    More strongly for Remain than for Trump but yes.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,672
    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    OGH used to refer to Conservative Home as ContinuityIDS.

    Those advocating Brexit in name only are almost entirely Remainers. There are also Leavers who don't want to leave the single market, but their motives are not in question.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    I thought this graphic sums up Trumpers.

    Very no nonsense bunch. I can understand why many really don't fancy it, but others think it's what's needed.

    https://t.co/T30R0YNcE3
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    nunu said:

    Brandon Wall ‏@Walldo
    Donald Trump just told a crowd to vote on November 28th

    Proof of Hillary's dementia! Poor woman's obviously got early-stage Parkinson's: look at her ear lobes. Oh, hold on.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784

    PlatoSaid said:

    I honestly can't believe how surreal this is getting

    Video

    Jared Wyand
    BREAKING: ICE Officials just told Trump that illegals are being allowed to vote & that's why Obama won't deport criminals.

    #WorldSmileDay https://t.co/P4nUT9vqpF

    Plato, I know you had a disagreement with me yesterday, but I must ask: do you believe everything you read on Twitter, or do you only believe it when it matches your views?
    its... odd. This story for example, is clearly paranoid bullshit designed to get rednecks with guns to 'make sure there isnt voter fraud' in areas with high minority support for Clinton
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Yes, shame I didn't bet on McMullan he's been cut from 33/1 to 12/1 on Lads
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought this graphic sums up Trumpers.

    Very no nonsense bunch. I can understand why many really don't fancy it, but others think it's what's needed.

    https://t.co/T30R0YNcE3

    no nonsense : pence doesn't believe in evolution. Carson believes the pyramids are for storing grain. that's nonsense for me. your mileage may vary
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Hills have McMullin at 25/1 in Utah, if you fancy him. I won't be stealing the price.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,672

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Take back comptrol.
    Am I reading you right when I say you're an ardent Trump supporter, and a strong Remainer?
    More strongly for Remain than for Trump but yes.
    I find that interesting. Why do you support Trump, and the EU?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    welshowl said:

    IanB2 said:

    murali_s said:

    The shit is beginning to hit the fan folks...

    http://news.sky.com/story/fuel-prices-to-soar-by-5p-a-litre-within-weeks-after-pound-slump-10612999

    Inflation is going to be a huge political hot potato over the next year or so ...

    No it isn't. Current inflation rate is 0.6%. It has a very long way to rise to reach the target BoE of 2% and even then it can rise substantially more before anyone would bat an eyelid.

    And given that interest rates are at historic lows the BoE has huge scope to intervene if the interest rate did begin to cause concern.

    A 5p rise in petrol prices is not even registering at the moment with oil prices being so low.
    Inflation is going to be a bigger story in the months ahead - remember that once a 'shock' event gets in the data, it stays in the monthly infation figures for the next 12 months, so next year Brexit inflation will be regularly in the news. But I agree the current 0.6% is not of concern and little has fed into recorded CPI as yet.

    The elephant in the room Is the risks of a sharp rise in government financing costs - the ten-year bond rare has risen from 0.7% to 1.0% alongside the fall in the £ - which again is no reason for concern; however if the £ continues to sink there may come a point where this jumps (indicating that the inflow of finance we need to cover our significant current account deficit is drying up) and if this happens there would likely be some panic, given the size of our public debt. This is the scenario where the government would come under a lot of pressure to 'do something', or at least to reassure and try and stabilise the ship.
    And that rise in govt financing costs is what companies, labouring under the near £trillion pension debt caused by looney tunes accounting forced on them by the current pension legislation, and the self same low govt financing costs in the shape of 3 century low gilt yields, need. Badly. Now.

    Inflation at the sort of levels we'd be talking about and an attendant rise in 20yr gilt yields to say 3% would free up squillions in the private sector. Far from a problem it's a cause for celebration as one of the great hidden unbalances unwinds.
    I spelt all this out the other day. I am attending a Board meeting today where we are going to be told that despite exceptional additional pension contributions to a closed pension scheme our deficit went up last year. Pension liabilities are a black hole for British business (Tescos more than doubled in their recent accounts) and a significant drag on investment, dividends and profits. Zero rate interest policies carried on for 7 years now are becoming very damaging.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 10h10 hours ago

    Nate Silver Retweeted Frank Luntz

    Shy Hillary voters?

    Nate Silver added,
    Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz
    Only 33% of husbands say their wife is voting for Hillary Clinton, but 45% of wives say they're voting for Hillary Clinton. https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

    I think this will most true in the rural areas of swing states.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    edited October 2016

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    Johnson is polling strongly in Alaska too. If these third-party candidates have anything about them (which is questionable) the'd be spending big on these small states where they're running well into double figures. If they could get a lead in an individual state poll, it could well set off a very positive media cycle for them. That said, it's probably too late now. They should really have been doing it a month ago.
    I am really not sure what role they think they are playing. If there was ever an election cycle where they could be relevant it was this one but the same self indulgent nonsense has prevailed. Its worse than the Lib Dems.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,083

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought this graphic sums up Trumpers.

    Very no nonsense bunch. I can understand why many really don't fancy it, but others think it's what's needed.

    https://t.co/T30R0YNcE3

    no nonsense : pence doesn't believe in evolution. Carson believes the pyramids are for storing grain. that's nonsense for me. your mileage may vary
    To be fair, the Pyramids may have been designed to store grain. The fact it doesn't work very well for that task just shows it was a government-driven project. ;)
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Hills have McMullin at 25/1 in Utah, if you fancy him. I won't be stealing the price.
    I have taken a modest sum.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403

    PlatoSaid said:

    I thought this graphic sums up Trumpers.

    Very no nonsense bunch. I can understand why many really don't fancy it, but others think it's what's needed.

    https://t.co/T30R0YNcE3

    no nonsense : pence doesn't believe in evolution. Carson believes the pyramids are for storing grain. that's nonsense for me. your mileage may vary
    To be fair, the Pyramids may have been designed to store grain. The fact it doesn't work very well for that task just shows it was a government-driven project. ;)
    Maybe an Egyptian style Sure Start?
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    mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

    South Bedfordshire. If North Kent is the scruffy broken washing machine infested terrace of Britain, South Beds is the not-needed rubbish filled attic.
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    matt said:

    Clocking on for the PB morning shift brought to you speeding at 100mph through the glorious Bedfordshire countryside courtesy of Thameslink.

    Which is the least glorious of English counties?

    South Bedfordshire. If North Kent is the scruffy broken washing machine infested terrace of Britain, South Beds is the not-needed rubbish filled attic.
    Do you mean Luton?

    South beds was annexed by glorious mid beds a few years back and renamed the Central Bedesian Federation (Mid Bedesia, South Bedesia and Linsladeland)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,440
    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Yes, shame I didn't bet on McMullan he's been cut from 33/1 to 12/1 on Lads
    Would I be right in thinking that if he did take Utah, he would be the first candidate not backed by one of the two main parties to win a state since J. Strom Thurmond took the South in 1948? Or have there benn others since?
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    OGH used to refer to Conservative Home as ContinuityIDS.

    Those advocating Brexit in name only are almost entirely Remainers. There are also Leavers who don't want to leave the single market, but their motives are not in question.
    In haven't read CON home for years does anybody still?
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Good morning, everyone.

    I must confess that my gast is not flabbered.
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596

    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    OGH used to refer to Conservative Home as ContinuityIDS.

    Those advocating Brexit in name only are almost entirely Remainers. There are also Leavers who don't want to leave the single market, but their motives are not in question.
    In haven't read CON home for years does anybody still?
    mainly CONs in homes, one suspects
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    edited October 2016
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Yes, shame I didn't bet on McMullan he's been cut from 33/1 to 12/1 on Lads
    Would I be right in thinking that if he did take Utah, he would be the first candidate not backed by one of the two main parties to win a state since J. Strom Thurmond took the South in 1948? Or have there benn others since?
    George Wallace in 1968. He won a few southern states. 46 ECVs
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789

    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    Brexit in name only
    BRINO?
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    ydoethur said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Alistair said:

    619 said:

    Trump is in big trouble in Utah. He might some 3rd!

    https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/786081399132549121

    I imagine if someone haf announced they were going to place a bet on Hilary in Utah at 5/1 two days ago they'd look pretty clever right about now.
    i think mcmullan is a value bet. He is so close to clinton and trump, i can see a lot of the johnson support jumping to him as viable third candidate in Utah

    also, 6-1 is good for clinton. The signs are that the mormon church HATES Trump, and all the GOP senators are not supporting him. He has deep problems there
    Yes, shame I didn't bet on McMullan he's been cut from 33/1 to 12/1 on Lads
    Would I be right in thinking that if he did take Utah, he would be the first candidate not backed by one of the two main parties to win a state since J. Strom Thurmond took the South in 1948? Or have there benn others since?
    itd be the first time the republican candidate hasnt won since 1964
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
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    If Trump does win, the Guardian issue the next day will be the newspaper equivalent of a samsung galaxy.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,405

    Pulpstar said:

    chestnut said:

    The Faisal Islam Obsession. :smiley:

    He really is so biased against leave his reports are becoming his own project fear and we know how that ended.

    We also know that there is a majority in Parliament intent on taking down the referendum but I believe the fury of the Nation if it happened would see a terrible revenge against those mps, Scotland excluded
    I think ContinuityRemain sniff blood on the Single Market.

    The premise is that they respect the outcome of the vote. In reality, they are hoping that political pressure - combined with that of the market movement recently on Sterling - can force the Government to massively dilute Brexit to occurring in name only.
    Are Soubry, Miliband and Farron as dangerous as the IRA though
    OGH used to refer to Conservative Home as ContinuityIDS.

    Those advocating Brexit in name only are almost entirely Remainers. There are also Leavers who don't want to leave the single market, but their motives are not in question.
    So the PB Leaver EEA posse are actually Remainers?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    edited October 2016

    If Trump does win, the Guardian issue the next day will be the newspaper equivalent of a samsung galaxy.

    If Trump were to win (he won't) Labour would be significantly at risk of losing their title as the most disunited major party in a western democracy (obviously one has to find a way to exclude UKIP from this). This is serious stuff.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
    Tower Hamlets?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148

    "But a leading light in the Brexit campaign said they now expected the UK could still end up paying as much as £5bn a year into EU funds, in return for access to the single market."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37627308

    Take back comptrol.
    Am I reading you right when I say you're an ardent Trump supporter, and a strong Remainer?
    More strongly for Remain than for Trump but yes.
    I find that interesting. Why do you support Trump, and the EU?
    I support the EU because I'm a true believer in 'the project' and so am therefore minded to see any issues as challenges to be solved rather than to run away from them. I don't think that European integration should be seen primarily as a manifestation of globalisation.

    I respect the arguments of people on the libertarian right against the EU although I consider them to be utopian fantasists on the whole. As long as the EU exists I think it's strongly in the UK's geopolitical and cultural interests to be part of it - and even in extremis we shouldn't be the first out of the door.

    Regarding Trump, above all I think having him as President would shock a lot of people out of a fatalistic complacency about world politics and make truly consequential decisions seem conceivable again. From my own perspective I like his ambivalence about NATO and believe that he'd be the only Western politician with the ability to lead a genuine rapprochement with Russia.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Heart of Stone...

    @IainDale: 21% of the EU's 40,000 laws & regulations apply to the Single Market. I did not vote to stay in 21% of the EU. End of.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,838
    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
    No doubt after Trump loses, and howls that he was 'cheated', we'll see articles like this:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/

    This is a perennial right wing meme, motivated largely by the desire to impede voting amongst African Americans.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    DavidL said:

    If Trump does win, the Guardian issue the next day will be the newspaper equivalent of a samsung galaxy.

    If Trump were to win (he won't) Labour would be significantly at risk of losing their title as the most disunited major party in a western democracy (obviously one has to find a way to exclude UKIP from this). This is serious stuff.
    The alleged plotting to get rid of Trump via the tapes/misleading stories about who was doing what et al have certainly gained a lot more credibility since we discovered Romney/Ryan man Senor was the leaker [IIRC his wife works at NBC].

    MGM owns the rights and has made it very clear that they'll sue anyone that leaks any more. Several Dems have said they'd pay anyone's $5m fine if they do. It's like a shoot-out.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
    Tower Hamlets?
    Except out of 1 billion votes cast in the U.S inly 14 were found to be fraud. It is not an issue in the elction. Russia hacking into the voting machines is even more of an "issue" than that.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    nunu said:

    Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 10h10 hours ago

    Nate Silver Retweeted Frank Luntz

    Shy Hillary voters?

    Nate Silver added,
    Frank Luntz @FrankLuntz
    Only 33% of husbands say their wife is voting for Hillary Clinton, but 45% of wives say they're voting for Hillary Clinton. https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/785252866856452096

    I think this will most true in the rural areas of swing states.

    It cuts both ways - %ge of men who their wives say will vote for Trump - 41% - actual number 49%.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Mr. P, there was a lot of nonsense in both campaigns, but neither claimed to have the power to determine the exchange rate.

    I'm not sure the idea that the exchange rate is beyond our power to control counts as news.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    Scott_P said:

    Heart of Stone...

    @IainDale: 21% of the EU's 40,000 laws & regulations apply to the Single Market. I did not vote to stay in 21% of the EU. End of.

    A very large portion of the laws and regulations are - of course - just instituting standards from various international bodies, and they will need to be enshrined in UK in one way or another.

    Unless, of course, Iain is planning on taking us outside all international trade.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    PlatoSaid said:

    DavidL said:

    If Trump does win, the Guardian issue the next day will be the newspaper equivalent of a samsung galaxy.

    If Trump were to win (he won't) Labour would be significantly at risk of losing their title as the most disunited major party in a western democracy (obviously one has to find a way to exclude UKIP from this). This is serious stuff.
    The alleged plotting to get rid of Trump via the tapes/misleading stories about who was doing what et al have certainly gained a lot more credibility since we discovered Romney/Ryan man Senor was the leaker [IIRC his wife works at NBC].

    MGM owns the rights and has made it very clear that they'll sue anyone that leaks any more. Several Dems have said they'd pay anyone's $5m fine if they do. It's like a shoot-out.
    Firstly, I am not sure they are "misleading" if they simply show the oafish and worse things he actually said. But secondly, this is no different from san(ish) people resigning from Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet. There are many in the Republican Party who fear this man is going to permanently damage and taint their party. And they are right to fear that.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National Tracker - Ipsos/Reuters - Sample 2,359 - 6-10 Oct

    Clinton 44.3 .. Trump 37.1

    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_26/filters/LIKELY:1
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    PlatoSaid said:

    DavidL said:

    If Trump does win, the Guardian issue the next day will be the newspaper equivalent of a samsung galaxy.

    If Trump were to win (he won't) Labour would be significantly at risk of losing their title as the most disunited major party in a western democracy (obviously one has to find a way to exclude UKIP from this). This is serious stuff.
    The alleged plotting to get rid of Trump via the tapes/misleading stories about who was doing what et al have certainly gained a lot more credibility since we discovered Romney/Ryan man Senor was the leaker [IIRC his wife works at NBC].

    MGM owns the rights and has made it very clear that they'll sue anyone that leaks any more. Several Dems have said they'd pay anyone's $5m fine if they do. It's like a shoot-out.
    bit rich for you to complain and plots against Trump considering your constant wikileaks posting
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
    Tower Hamlets?
    Half of the counties in Indiana are being investigated by State Police, NYC is riddled with fraud, Colorado and Virginia too. Those are just coming to light in the last few days - there's loads of it. Tower Hamlets on steroids.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,403
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Heart of Stone...

    @IainDale: 21% of the EU's 40,000 laws & regulations apply to the Single Market. I did not vote to stay in 21% of the EU. End of.

    A very large portion of the laws and regulations are - of course - just instituting standards from various international bodies, and they will need to be enshrined in UK in one way or another.

    Unless, of course, Iain is planning on taking us outside all international trade.
    Well yes and those who want to sell into the single market will obviously have to comply with them anyway. But I do think that accepting that that volume of legislation from others into our law without us having a vote on it is unacceptable and why we will not be in the Single Market. The solution, obviously, is tariff free trade with the Single Market which should be our objective. Our exporters will still have to comply but our domestic market will only have to comply to the extent that we want it to (which may be quite a lot for the reasons you have pointed out.)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,083
    nunu said:

    DavidL said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Even more surreal. It's endemic apparently.

    "They bus people around to vote in minority neighborhoods"
    Dem Election Commissioner

    #TrumpTrain #Trump2016
    https://t.co/WY2QYAD0c2

    Do you mean that the paranoid fantasies of Trumpers are surreal? or do you believe these tweetings are the reasoned thoughts of no nonsense patriots?
    Did you watch the video with the Dem Election Commissioner? Only the other day - one poster who I won't embarrass claimed there wasn't a problem with voter fraud in the US.

    Everyday more incidents and revelations pour out. It's a serious issue - we'd be going bonkers here at just a fraction of it.
    Tower Hamlets?
    Except out of 1 billion votes cast in the U.S inly 14 were found to be fraud. It is not an issue in the elction. Russia hacking into the voting machines is even more of an "issue" than that.
    Voting machine fraud is the thing that would worry me. It's difficult to fake enough individual voters to turn an election. It's much easier to alter 100,000 or more electronic votes.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,442
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Heart of Stone...

    @IainDale: 21% of the EU's 40,000 laws & regulations apply to the Single Market. I did not vote to stay in 21% of the EU. End of.

    A very large portion of the laws and regulations are - of course - just instituting standards from various international bodies, and they will need to be enshrined in UK in one way or another.

    Unless, of course, Iain is planning on taking us outside all international trade.
    Luckily for Iain Dale, as so many of the loudest Brexiteers, his living will not be affected by leaving the single market.
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    JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Heart of Stone...

    @IainDale: 21% of the EU's 40,000 laws & regulations apply to the Single Market. I did not vote to stay in 21% of the EU. End of.

    A very large portion of the laws and regulations are - of course - just instituting standards from various international bodies, and they will need to be enshrined in UK in one way or another.

    Unless, of course, Iain is planning on taking us outside all international trade.
    Some of these BOOers have bought so deeply into Boris's Bent Banana regs story that they probably would.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National Panel Tracker - LA Times - Sample 2,969 - 11 Oct

    Clinton 43.3 .. Trump 45.3

    http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls Oct 7

    Trump won the nomination because he was the only candidate who told the racists in the GOP it was ok to be racist. Bottom line.
    0 replies . 1,332 retweets 1,842 likes
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Mr. Jessop, I agree entirely. Electronic voting is drunken madness.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Ppppolls are spectacular trollers, hey are using a video poll to determine where they will do their next scientific poll!

    https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/786047810181488640
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    Scott_P said:
    Martin Wolf, usually the best columnist in the paper, wrote a column giving ten reasons to remain. He said:

    ‘Above all, those promoting departure ignore what the UK’s European partners think about the EU. Their political elites, particularly of Germany and France, regard the preservation of an integrated Europe as their highest national interests. They will want to make clear that departure carries a heavy price, which is likely to include attempts to drive euro-related financial markets out of London.’
    Those who want to leave don’t ignore this at all! It is precisely because we know how much the German and French elites want more integration that we so much want to leave. Mr Wolf’s argument that we must obey because otherwise they will be horrible to us is, if he would only think about it, abject.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/another-ft-columnist-has-been-struck-by-eu-fever/
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,442
    Scott_P said:
    FT contains the line: "Moreover, it is quite likely that today’s huge current account deficits will be unsustainable post-Brexit"

    How's that for the start of a crisis that will lead to a rethink on Brexit?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,442
    Blimey, are we seeing the first glimmers of an actual working Opposition?

    BBC front page on Brexit questions.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Labour asks 170 questions (one per day until the end of March). Apparently, totally setting out the negotiating position publicly is a good idea, in Labour land:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37622928
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,208

    Scott_P said:
    FT contains the line: "Moreover, it is quite likely that today’s huge current account deficits will be unsustainable post-Brexit"

    How's that for the start of a crisis that will lead to a rethink on Brexit?
    Are they seriously suggesting that it was sustainable if we'd stayed in the EU?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago Aventura, FL

    Trump is the result of choices Republicans and conservatives made, stretching back 50 years. That's the bottom line.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    FT contains the line: "Moreover, it is quite likely that today’s huge current account deficits will be unsustainable post-Brexit"

    How's that for the start of a crisis that will lead to a rethink on Brexit?

    But we will have sovereignty...
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    North carolina is an odd case. There is huge dissatisfaction with McCrory, the Republican governor, because of a law cslled HB2 which allows churchgoers to be free to legally discriminate against anyone.

    HB2 has lost jobs, investment and sports on a massive scale - about $400m is known to have been lost in the last 6 months and sports events for next year have moved out of state. Voters are very annoyed.

    Some estimate the economic damage could peak at $5bn in total.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    Mr. 86, quite. Constantly increasing an already enormous debt is not in our interests, whether we're in the EU or not. It certainly isn't a reason to stay in.
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