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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/784014500882186241

  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Hope he makes a full and swift recovery.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-hopeful-steven-woolfe-rushed-hospital-following-collapse-parliament/
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    Hopefully he makes full recovery and the thug who did this is prosecuted to the fullest extent of French law.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    You presumably need a French lawyer to answer that.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    Yes.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It takes the meaning of "hated by colleagues" up to a new level.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    Yes.
    o_O ok...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    Yes. It would be the difference between manslaughter and murder.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,112
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    yep
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,243
    edited October 2016
    Carolus_Rex said:

    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.

    I hope David Aaronovich does not have cause to regret this even more: The Woolfe coverage just shows the MSM's anti-Ukip bias. This kind of thing happens all the time in the Liberal Democrats.

    When someone picked him up on it he replied 'Keep it for Russia Today'.....

    Edit....and he clearly has a short memory.....did Rinka die in vain?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.127389697 *cough*

    That should be suspended until we know his condition. It seems completely inappropriate at this time.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited October 2016
    Carolus_Rex said:

    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.

    Well just look at the replies to Seb Payne's tweet and take your pick. What a load of wankers.

    For example: https://twitter.com/fishmans017
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Absolutely awful. Thoughts and prayers with Woolfe and his family.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    Yes. It would be the difference between manslaughter and murder.
    Rather depends on whether the blow was struck in self defence.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    Neil Hamilton is a twat.

    Alex Wickham

    Neil Hamilton says Steven Woolfe "picked a fight". What a disgraceful comment.

    Neil Hamilton laughed during BBC interview just now as he said Woolfe had considered defecting to UKIP.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited October 2016
    Absolutely. The politics of this should wait for another time; best wishes to Mr Woolfe and his family.

    FPT:
    AlastairMeeks said:

    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/

    "Respondents were more likely to identify themselves as remain or leave supporters than followers of a particular party, which the researchers suggest could have a major effect on the future of British politics."

    Just like the Scottish referendum, then? The Conservatives have moved swiftly to appropriate the Leave vote - can they then hang on to their Remainers? Well, with Labour in the state they are, there isn't much danger over there. Could we see a new genuinely liberal party?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    TonyE said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    Yes. It would be the difference between manslaughter and murder.
    Rather depends on whether the blow was struck in self defence.
    If it is as Asa described it I can't see how it wasn't.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    Disturbing from Bruno Waterfeld, Woolfe lost feeling on one side of his body and had two epileptic type fits before the ambulance arrived.
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Anorak said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.

    Well just look at the replies to Seb Payne's tweet and take your pick. What a load of wankers.

    For example: https://twitter.com/fishmans017
    Words fail me.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,112
    Anorak said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.

    Well just look at the replies to Seb Payne's tweet and take your pick. What a load of wankers.

    For example: https://twitter.com/fishmans017
    Twitter. Surely one should discount twitter as being anything significant or indicative in these situations. In any situations, for that matter.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    "new Fairleigh Dickinson national (live interview) national poll: Clinton 50%, Trump 40%. same 10-point margin in 4-way, 46%-36%"

    and yet it is really close still in the swing states, with one poll showing him ahead in an emerson Florida poll.
  • TonyETonyE Posts: 938
    @Eek.
    You said that a policy of counting where recruits are sourced abroad where posts go unfilled from UK advertising has created a 'glass ceiling in wages'.

    Is this because they deliberately low ball the UK ad, then they can simply send it abroad because nobody will apply for that money?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    Woolfe had 2 epileptic-type fits around 2 hours after punch-up with Hookem, say sources
    — Bruno Waterfield (@BrunoBrussels) October 6, 2016

    Some 2 hours after the fight, Woolfe collapsed after leaving voting session early. He had a fit on the passerelle. Paramedics were called
    — Bruno Waterfield (@BrunoBrussels)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Hamilton is a twat.

    Alex Wickham

    Neil Hamilton says Steven Woolfe "picked a fight". What a disgraceful comment.

    Neil Hamilton laughed during BBC interview just now as he said Woolfe had considered defecting to UKIP.

    Hamilton and Bennett's comments/reporting could form an important part of Hookem's defence tbh.
  • BigIanBigIan Posts: 198
    Horrendous. Hope he makes a complete and speedy recovery.

    Poison chalice. Who'd want it now?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Wishing you a full and speedy recovery, Mr Woolfe.

    It would require a vote of the European Parliament to remove the MEP's immunity:

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=en&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20070906STO10162

    Would a British MEP be charged in a French or British court? Practice used to be in the FCO that diplomats who committed serious crimes were brought back for prosecution (and jail time if so decided) in the UK, not in the country in which the crime was committed.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    TOPPING said:

    Anorak said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    Who's sneering and making jokes?

    Unbelievable.

    Well just look at the replies to Seb Payne's tweet and take your pick. What a load of wankers.

    For example: https://twitter.com/fishmans017
    Twitter. Surely one should discount twitter as being anything significant or indicative in these situations. In any situations, for that matter.
    True, but it doesn't stop fishmans017 from being an arsehole.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    I believe yes, it can be. Hitting someone in the head is seen as negligent endangerment
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Tissue_Price said:

    Absolutely. The politics of this should wait for another time; best wishes to Mr Woolfe and his family.

    FPT:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/

    "Respondents were more likely to identify themselves as remain or leave supporters than followers of a particular party, which the researchers suggest could have a major effect on the future of British politics."

    Just like the Scottish referendum, then? The Conservatives have moved swiftly to appropriate the Leave vote - can they then hang on to their Remainers? Well, with Labour in the state they are, there isn't much danger over there. Could we see a new genuinely liberal party?
    Led by Osborne and his biggest fan?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Mortimer said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    Absolutely. The politics of this should wait for another time; best wishes to Mr Woolfe and his family.

    FPT:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/

    "Respondents were more likely to identify themselves as remain or leave supporters than followers of a particular party, which the researchers suggest could have a major effect on the future of British politics."

    Just like the Scottish referendum, then? The Conservatives have moved swiftly to appropriate the Leave vote - can they then hang on to their Remainers? Well, with Labour in the state they are, there isn't much danger over there. Could we see a new genuinely liberal party?
    Led by Osborne and his biggest fan?
    Why, is tim (pbuh) making a resurgence as a political force?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.127389697 *cough*

    That should be suspended until we know his condition. It seems completely inappropriate at this time.
    Well since this is a betting site, with the danger of sounding careless:

    This will be either a crowning moment to his leadership campaign or a terminal one even if he survives.

    This is the high definition of a polarizing candidate, you either love him or hate him so much this happens.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Hamilton is a twat.

    Alex Wickham

    Neil Hamilton says Steven Woolfe "picked a fight". What a disgraceful comment.

    Neil Hamilton laughed during BBC interview just now as he said Woolfe had considered defecting to UKIP.

    Hamilton was on the radio just yesterday, and ISTR he was encouraging Woolfe to stand for the leadership!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    MTimT said:

    ...It would require a vote of the European Parliament to remove the MEP's immunity:..

    That would be a formality in this case, I think.

    Let's hope Steven Woolfe makes a full recovery. This is just appalling.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    That poll of the foreign worker lists is disturbing, and shows the depth of the anger of those who feel they have been rejected.

    And although team 619 will jump on me, that is why I still think Trump could win.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    SeanT said:

    The £ is falling further today

    http://www.cityam.com/250859/frosty-reception-sterling-pound-slips-again?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Relatedly, I just got paid a wodge of dollars, from NYC, converted into sterling. Essentially I made a heathy four figure sum just from the slide in the pound. Brexit has given me an annual 10-15% pay rise.

    So it's not all bad. But one has to wonder if there is a level of depreciation at which HMG will start to feel a little queasy. Parity with the euro? Parity with the dollar?

    I think the BoE will end up stoping the slide by indicating no more QE and rate cuts. Part of today's fall is stronger data from the US and an MPC member basically saying they will ignore positive data.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    SeanT said:

    Much better news

    https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/784016115974496256

    Thank God. Hope he recovers entirely, soon.

    Oh good. Hopefully that is confirmed.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Holy Moly

    PICTURE: Steven Woolfe Altercation https://t.co/2nRD3t5HxJ via @GuidoFawkes
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    Charles said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    The UKIP leadership race has officially become a bar brawl.

    Now I can understand why James resigned, to avoid the fate of Woolfe.

    My initial thought is that it was 6 of Woolfe, half a dozen Hookem. If you start a fight with someone, they clean you out and you then collapse and die later - is that really manslaughter ?
    I believe yes, it can be. Hitting someone in the head is seen as negligent endangerment
    This sad story was in the news just yesterday:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-37554011
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,112
    SeanT said:

    The £ is falling further today

    http://www.cityam.com/250859/frosty-reception-sterling-pound-slips-again?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Relatedly, I just got paid a wodge of dollars, from NYC, converted into sterling. Essentially I made a heathy four figure sum just from the slide in the pound. Brexit has given me an annual 10-15% pay rise.

    So it's not all bad. But one has to wonder if there is a level of depreciation at which HMG will start to feel a little queasy. Parity with the euro? Parity with the dollar?

    Truly you are of and with the people, Sean.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    I know of a household name that recruites from India programmers with 1 month experience. The Indian programmers are said to turn up at the office in England and disappear by the afternoon.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    MaxPB said:

    Hopefully he makes full recovery and the thug who did this is prosecuted to the fullest extent of French law.

    Deport him, a danger to the public.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    MTimT said:

    ...It would require a vote of the European Parliament to remove the MEP's immunity:..

    That would be a formality in this case, I think.

    Let's hope Steven Woolfe makes a full recovery. This is just appalling.
    Let's hope on both those scores.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    nunu said:

    "new Fairleigh Dickinson national (live interview) national poll: Clinton 50%, Trump 40%. same 10-point margin in 4-way, 46%-36%"

    and yet it is really close still in the swing states, with one poll showing him ahead in an emerson Florida poll.

    Maybe, but I think if there a massive national lead for Clinton, then she will win it, regardless of what the state polls say. I doubt she will win the national vote by 2% plus and not win enough electoral votes!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072
  • paulbarkerpaulbarker Posts: 77
    Lets hope that Steven Woolfe continues to recover. But what sort of Country are we living in when Senior Politicians think that its normal to sort out out differences with a punch-up ? This is where populism leads.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    MTimT said:


    It would require a vote of the European Parliament to remove the MEP's immunity:

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?language=en&type=IM-PRESS&reference=20070906STO10162

    Removing immunity seems to happen a lot: http://parltrack.euwiki.org/datasets/imm/
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    WTF

    Guido
    Brussels journalists now reporting Mike Hookem is "in a car chase with French police" https://t.co/M7YpiK3jBg
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    SeanT said:

    The £ is falling further today

    http://www.cityam.com/250859/frosty-reception-sterling-pound-slips-again?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Relatedly, I just got paid a wodge of dollars, from NYC, converted into sterling. Essentially I made a heathy four figure sum just from the slide in the pound. Brexit has given me an annual 10-15% pay rise.

    So it's not all bad. But one has to wonder if there is a level of depreciation at which HMG will start to feel a little queasy. Parity with the euro? Parity with the dollar?

    Truly you are of and with the people, Sean.
    I feel like I am the silver lining to Britain's dark cloud.
    When I took the job in Zurich the Swiss franc was about 1.32 its about 1.23 now! A nice little pay rise.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,783
    A horrible incident and here's hoping Woolfe has a full recovery.

    If the puncher is who they say it is, the confrontation is a microcosm of UKIP's contradiction. Woolfe is an ex-Tory who clearly sees the party's future on the right; Hookem is an ex-Labour voter, who did not joing the Tories when he could take no more of Labour. Now that we have voted to Leave, how do such people stay in the same party?
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    Strewth. You couldn't make this up, could you?
  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    SeanT said:

    The £ is falling further today

    http://www.cityam.com/250859/frosty-reception-sterling-pound-slips-again?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Relatedly, I just got paid a wodge of dollars, from NYC, converted into sterling. Essentially I made a heathy four figure sum just from the slide in the pound. Brexit has given me an annual 10-15% pay rise.

    So it's not all bad. But one has to wonder if there is a level of depreciation at which HMG will start to feel a little queasy. Parity with the euro? Parity with the dollar?

    We're tootling along quite nicely to the level the Treasury's Brexit Severe Shock Scenario predicted.

    ISTR Goldman's predicting a £1 : $1.15
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I think the BoE will end up stoping the slide by indicating no more QE and rate cuts. Part of today's fall is stronger data from the US and an MPC member basically saying they will ignore positive data. ''

    The MPC is totally unhinged for me. Its almost as if they have decided there 'must' be reaction to Brexit, whatever the data says. They are completely determined to prove Brexit is detrimental.

    Recently we discussed the Deputy Governor's comments on QE going on forever - quite disturbing really.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    paulbarker said:

    Lets hope that Steven Woolfe continues to recover. But what sort of Country are we living in when Senior Politicians think that its normal to sort out out differences with a punch-up ? This is where populism leads.

    Hyperbole. Canning & Castlereagh were hardly populist politicians.

    http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/castlereagh-canning-duel
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JosiasJessop said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Neil Hamilton is a twat.

    Alex Wickham

    Neil Hamilton says Steven Woolfe "picked a fight". What a disgraceful comment.

    Neil Hamilton laughed during BBC interview just now as he said Woolfe had considered defecting to UKIP.

    Hamilton was on the radio just yesterday, and ISTR he was encouraging Woolfe to stand for the leadership!
    (Again with the danger of sounding careless)

    That's why I said it was 50-50 this incident will either help Woolfe or damage him.
    It's too early to say which side of 50-50 it will fall.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    Carolus_Rex said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    Strewth. You couldn't make this up, could you?
    The tweet has been deleted now. I think
  • YellowSubmarineYellowSubmarine Posts: 2,740
    Curiously this http://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/new-eu-referendum-british-election-study-data/ makes me feel better. It explains how strongly I feel may not be that unusual. Identity is powerful stuff.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    PlatoSaid said:

    WTF

    Guido
    Brussels journalists now reporting Mike Hookem is "in a car chase with French police" https://t.co/M7YpiK3jBg

    10/1 true.
    1/10 bullshit.

    Anyway, I hope Woolfe recovers ok.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    paulbarker said:

    Lets hope that Steven Woolfe continues to recover. But what sort of Country are we living in when Senior Politicians think that its normal to sort out out differences with a punch-up ? This is where populism leads.

    We should remember that it is hardly unheard of for MPs of all parties to throw punches, or even Nokias.

    You have to be unlucky, but Eric Joyce's headbutt of another MP could have ended similarly. It's not necessarily the assault that causes the damage, but the fall afterwards.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    SouthamObserver said:

    A horrible incident and here's hoping Woolfe has a full recovery.

    If the puncher is who they say it is, the confrontation is a microcosm of UKIP's contradiction. Woolfe is an ex-Tory who clearly sees the party's future on the right; Hookem is an ex-Labour voter, who did not joing the Tories when he could take no more of Labour. Now that we have voted to Leave, how do such people stay in the same party?

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    My earlier tweet of the "car chase" might have been a little bit overblown. French police do seem to be looking for him though...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    Strewth. You couldn't make this up, could you?
    The tweet has been deleted now. I think
    What did it say?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,786
    paulbarker said:

    Lets hope that Steven Woolfe continues to recover. But what sort of Country are we living in when Senior Politicians think that its normal to sort out out differences with a punch-up ? This is where populism leads.

    cough *prescott* cough. He could have taken that guy out and done something similar.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,407
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    Strewth. You couldn't make this up, could you?
    The tweet has been deleted now. I think
    What did it say?
    Mike Hookem was doing an O.J. Simpson chase with the police
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    This reminds me of the OJ murder, when the Juice got Loose, on live TV

    Incidentally, if Woolfe makes a full, speedy recovery (which is looking more likely, thank God) might he get a sympathy vote, and win?

    He could then threaten Labour in the North.

    All of British politics might just have turned on a small weird punch-up in Strasbourg.
    He will either get a sympathy vote or he will get crushed by his defection attempt stories.

    Hamilton has done a 180 turn from supporting Woolfe yesterday to peddling the defection story after the punches.

    But Farage is as always the one who decides which side will win in UKIP.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2016
    Slackbladder said:

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    Or several. I've been saying for a while that I think the party will splinter. It has, after all, always been a particularly fissiparous party and prone to flounces-out and internal feuds. Without the glue of the referendum to hold it together, it won't hold together.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    Strewth. You couldn't make this up, could you?
    The tweet has been deleted now. I think
    What did it say?
    Mike Hookem was doing an O.J. Simpson chase with the police
    Might be looking to get to Switzerland. No EAW there iirc.
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  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
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  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    It feels that politics has become more personal this year than ever before. All the talk of national identity, patriotism and nationalism in the referendum feels like it has taken hold of us on a much more emotional level than deficit reduction and boundary reform ever did.

    I thought that the death of Jo Cox held up a mirror to us and made us stop and think, but the world kept turning. Maybe another chance to reflect on who we are as a nation today. Wishing him a speedy recovery - and UKIP a speedy fading away.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Slackbladder said:

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    Or several. I've been saying for a while that I think the party will splinter. It has, after all, always been a particularly fissiparous party, and without the glue of the referendum to hold it together, it won't.
    Thank you for teaching me a new word!
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Slackbladder said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    A horrible incident and here's hoping Woolfe has a full recovery.

    If the puncher is who they say it is, the confrontation is a microcosm of UKIP's contradiction. Woolfe is an ex-Tory who clearly sees the party's future on the right; Hookem is an ex-Labour voter, who did not joing the Tories when he could take no more of Labour. Now that we have voted to Leave, how do such people stay in the same party?

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    My analysis precisely. The gap in UK politics was for a populist, economically leftish, socially right party for the disaffected working class (clearly not just white, as the EU ref showed).

    May seems to be working hard to close the size of this gap, so UKIP need(s/ed) to move fast to seize the opportunity. They appear to be doing their level best to blow it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,334
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Slackbladder said:

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    Or several. I've been saying for a while that I think the party will splinter. It has, after all, always been a particularly fissiparous party and prone to flounces-out and internal feuds. Without the glue of the referendum to hold it together, it won't hold together.
    Yes, much like the SNP if Scotland went independent. Our Malcolm and TUD have very little on common other than the wish for an independent Scotland. No way they can stay in the same party if independence is achieved.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Slackbladder said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    A horrible incident and here's hoping Woolfe has a full recovery.

    If the puncher is who they say it is, the confrontation is a microcosm of UKIP's contradiction. Woolfe is an ex-Tory who clearly sees the party's future on the right; Hookem is an ex-Labour voter, who did not joing the Tories when he could take no more of Labour. Now that we have voted to Leave, how do such people stay in the same party?

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    I think the Golf club types will rapidly rejoin the Tories since they are going to strongly in favour of the sort of platform May is suggesting without the queasiness at wishy-washy end of the party exhibited so well on here ;) It might be time for the rebirth of a new noisy but electorally insignificant libertarian party with Carswell, and possibly Hannan when he loses his MEP gig, and logically Reckless since those three are old mates.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,783
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    This reminds me of the OJ murder, when the Juice got Loose, on live TV

    Incidentally, if Woolfe makes a full, speedy recovery (which is looking more likely, thank God) might he get a sympathy vote, and win?

    He could then threaten Labour in the North.

    All of British politics might just have turned on a small weird punch-up in Strasbourg.

    I doubt Woolfe is a threat to Labour. He's clearly a Tory in all but name. A northern accent doesn't change that. The Hookem wing of UKIP looks a much bigger threat.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    On another point: such injuries can leave long-lasting problems. A friend of ours was a keen road-racer cyclist, and he had an accident a few years ago that has left him with epilepsy.

    The last seizure he had was whilst abroad, in a meeting with clients. He certainly made an impression with those clients ...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Slackbladder said:

    They don't. I expect UKIP will morph into two new parties. One WWC labour votes northern style, and a smaller golf-club type. The labourish one will have a better chance of future success, whereas the blue rinse type will migrate back towards the tories.

    Or several. I've been saying for a while that I think the party will splinter. It has, after all, always been a particularly fissiparous party and prone to flounces-out and internal feuds. Without the glue of the referendum to hold it together, it won't hold together.
    UKIP has always split on the middle countless times, councilors, MEP going all over the place, but it's vote hasn't.

    Remarkable instability at the top, remarkable stability of it's base.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Michigan - Detroit Free Press/WXYZ TV

    Clinton 43 .. Trump 32

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/06/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-michigan/91611112/
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    JosiasJessop said:

    On another point: such injuries can leave long-lasting problems. A friend of ours was a keen road-racer cyclist, and he had an accident a few years ago that has left him with epilepsy.

    The last seizure he had was whilst abroad, in a meeting with clients. He certainly made an impression with those clients ...

    The long term issues aren't always immediately apparent either. I had a brain bleed at 13 and my first epileptic seizure at 45!
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Florida - PORL/University North Florida

    Clinton 47 .. Trump 40

    http://www.unf.edu/coas/porl/2016_Florida_Fall_Statewide_Presidential_Poll.aspx
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Neil Hamilton on Sky News. Alleges Woolfe "started it".
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,985
    Carolus_Rex said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    On another point: such injuries can leave long-lasting problems. A friend of ours was a keen road-racer cyclist, and he had an accident a few years ago that has left him with epilepsy.

    The last seizure he had was whilst abroad, in a meeting with clients. He certainly made an impression with those clients ...

    The long term issues aren't always immediately apparent either. I had a brain bleed at 13 and my first epileptic seizure at 45!
    That isn't exactly reassuring for me at the moment. :(

    Brains are really weird things. Wonderful, but weird.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    This reminds me of the OJ murder, when the Juice got Loose, on live TV

    Incidentally, if Woolfe makes a full, speedy recovery (which is looking more likely, thank God) might he get a sympathy vote, and win?

    He could then threaten Labour in the North.

    All of British politics might just have turned on a small weird punch-up in Strasbourg.

    I doubt Woolfe is a threat to Labour. He's clearly a Tory in all but name. A northern accent doesn't change that. The Hookem wing of UKIP looks a much bigger threat.

    But he is mixed race and grow up on moss side, which immediately neuters two of the main attack lines against UKIP. As far as I can tell he has never been active in Tory politics.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,796
    edited October 2016
    TonyE said:

    @Eek.
    You said that a policy of counting where recruits are sourced abroad where posts go unfilled from UK advertising has created a 'glass ceiling in wages'.

    Is this because they deliberately low ball the UK ad, then they can simply send it abroad because nobody will apply for that money?

    Nope its from looking at the market rate of senior software developers. That was £40-45k in 2006 and is still £40-45k in 2016....

    Anyone care to guess what an onshored developer has to be paid....
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    National - Rasmussen

    Clinton 41 .. Trump 43

    http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct06
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    old_labour said:

    Neil Hamilton on Sky News. Alleges Woolfe "started it".

    If Farage says the same, Woolfe's candidacy is over.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited October 2016
    Anything I've ever said forgiving Hamilton are expunged.

    Totally twatty this afternoon
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    old_labour said:

    Neil Hamilton on Sky News. Alleges Woolfe "started it".

    This is the Hamilton who spent the last couple of months trying to stop him standing as party leader, I think we should treat anything he says with a certain amount of caution.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    JackW said:

    National - Rasmussen

    Clinton 41 .. Trump 43

    http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct06

    Soooooo

    + 6 for Clinton in reality?:-)
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    JosiasJessop said:

    Carolus_Rex said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    On another point: such injuries can leave long-lasting problems. A friend of ours was a keen road-racer cyclist, and he had an accident a few years ago that has left him with epilepsy.

    The last seizure he had was whilst abroad, in a meeting with clients. He certainly made an impression with those clients ...

    The long term issues aren't always immediately apparent either. I had a brain bleed at 13 and my first epileptic seizure at 45!
    That isn't exactly reassuring for me at the moment. :(

    Brains are really weird things. Wonderful, but weird.
    Sorry!

    If it's any consolation I haven't had a fit in years. AEDs have come a long way.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Tennessee - MTSU

    Clinton 40 .. Trump 50

    http://mtsupoll.org/2016/10/04/f2016pres/
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited October 2016
    I think Arron Banks should say what he really thinks (remembering that Hamilton is on the NEC)

    He lashed out at the NEC, which was heavily criticised for refusing to accept Mr Woolfe's candidacy for the leadership during the last contest because the papers were filed a few minutes late.

    'This body is populated by a motley collection of amateurs; leftovers from a bygone age, when Ukip was a ragtag band of volunteers on the fringes of British politics.
    'Watching them try to run the modern political movement that (Nigel) Farage built is like watching a team of circus clowns trying to carry out a pit stop at the Silverstone Grand Prix,' he wrote in the Guardian.

    'If James hadn't put her name forward at the last minute, we would have had nothing but a rabble of no-name, no-talent nobodies to choose from. These people would be out of their depth in a paddling pool, and couldn't be more unfit to run a modern political party.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3824837/Ukip-donor-says-party-run-circus-clowns-new-leadership-favourite-Steven-Woolfe-admits-considered-defecting-TORIES.html
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Indigo said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    This reminds me of the OJ murder, when the Juice got Loose, on live TV

    Incidentally, if Woolfe makes a full, speedy recovery (which is looking more likely, thank God) might he get a sympathy vote, and win?

    He could then threaten Labour in the North.

    All of British politics might just have turned on a small weird punch-up in Strasbourg.

    I doubt Woolfe is a threat to Labour. He's clearly a Tory in all but name. A northern accent doesn't change that. The Hookem wing of UKIP looks a much bigger threat.

    But he is mixed race and grow up on moss side, which immediately neuters two of the main attack lines against UKIP. As far as I can tell he has never been active in Tory politics.
    The problem for Woolfe is the defection story, that he had agreed to defect to the Tories but James's resignation stopped him from going to Birmingham to officially defect.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Indigo said:

    old_labour said:

    Neil Hamilton on Sky News. Alleges Woolfe "started it".

    This is the Hamilton who spent the last couple of months trying to stop him standing as party leader, I think we should treat anything he says with a certain amount of caution.
    If I shook hands with Mr Hamilton, I'd count my fingers afterwards.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    JonathanD said:

    SeanT said:

    The £ is falling further today

    http://www.cityam.com/250859/frosty-reception-sterling-pound-slips-again?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Relatedly, I just got paid a wodge of dollars, from NYC, converted into sterling. Essentially I made a heathy four figure sum just from the slide in the pound. Brexit has given me an annual 10-15% pay rise.

    So it's not all bad. But one has to wonder if there is a level of depreciation at which HMG will start to feel a little queasy. Parity with the euro? Parity with the dollar?

    We're tootling along quite nicely to the level the Treasury's Brexit Severe Shock Scenario predicted.

    ISTR Goldman's predicting a £1 : $1.15
    As an exporter wanting a rise in interest rates it can go a lot lower as far as I am concerned and hopefully stoke some inflation and a rise in interest rates.

    The MPC has lost the plot in my view. Total muppetry.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,783
    Indigo said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/784017415613059072

    This reminds me of the OJ murder, when the Juice got Loose, on live TV

    Incidentally, if Woolfe makes a full, speedy recovery (which is looking more likely, thank God) might he get a sympathy vote, and win?

    He could then threaten Labour in the North.

    All of British politics might just have turned on a small weird punch-up in Strasbourg.

    I doubt Woolfe is a threat to Labour. He's clearly a Tory in all but name. A northern accent doesn't change that. The Hookem wing of UKIP looks a much bigger threat.

    But he is mixed race and grow up on moss side, which immediately neuters two of the main attack lines against UKIP. As far as I can tell he has never been active in Tory politics.

    He was on the verge of joining the Tories last week and has praised may to the high heavens.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,130
    Whatever you think of UKIP ("not a lot" in my case) you can only set politics aside on a day like this and hope/pray for his recovery.
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