Hillary is not that liberal, she is a hawk and has already rowed back from TPP to suit the climate while a GOP congress would limit her room for manoeuvre
Bernie Sanders is liberal, Hilary Clinton is more right wing than Theresa May.
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
A win's a win. A liberal New York internationalist as leader of the free world.
Hillary is not that liberal, she is a hawk and has already rowed back from TPP to suit the climate while a GOP congress would limit her room for manoeuvre
Not that New York, either - more Arkansas and Washington.
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
My own reluctant view is that politically she is the better alternative on offer. However, I would pay good money to sit opposite Trump at dinner, and ten times as much not to have to be in the same room as Hillary. And if May does the traditional smarmy whining about special relationships when she comes a-calling I shall never vote tory again.
@tnewtondunn: Excl: Cabinet split on Brexit growing over whether to stay in EU's customs union - 'will see Hammond or Fox walking' thesun.co.uk/news/1919730/b…
I am on Fox at 10/1...
I wanted run my understanding of the Customs Union and the advantages and disadvantages past PB experts:
ADVANTAGES of REMAINING in CUSTOM UNION 1. Tariff -free transit of industrial goods with the EU/EEA(but not services or agriculture) 2 Ready-made set of free trade agreements with third party countries already negotiated by the EU. DIY will result in a long gap while the new deals are negotiated. The EU has more market clout than the UK to get better deals 3. Much lower burden of red tape as exporters with supply chains don’t require origination certification for the components nor for finished products 4. UK negotiators can concentrate on the key EU and WTO arrangements. They are spread too thin to take on third country negotiations as well. 5. Early commitment to a Customs Union would remove uncertainty for investment in UK industrials (think Nissan in Sunderland). BONUS advantage! Possible redundancy for Liam Fox
ADVANTAGES of LEAVING the CUSTOM UNION 1. The UK can unilaterally reduce its import duties allowing them to compete better with EU countries on price for finished products to third countries 2. The UK may be more flexible in negotiating deals with third countries and so have a higher chance of success than the EU does.
Is that a fair summary? If so, an early commitment to the EU Customs Union is compelling, because there are more advantages and more immediately useful ones. The politics may say otherwise of course. What do people think?
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Blair = LINO
Cameron = CINO?
No, no. TINO!
I trolled TSE about being a TINO on the previous thread
I expect May's speech was rather more to your tastes than TSE's!
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Hillary is not that liberal, she is a hawk and has already rowed back from TPP to suit the climate while a GOP congress would limit her room for manoeuvre
Bernie Sanders is liberal, Hilary Clinton is more right wing than Theresa May.
Not on immigration and the EU she isn't! Probably not on abortion either
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Or this whole left right thing is now useless.
Its globalists versus nativists, statists versus individualists, and the idiot frenzied PC identity-obsessed transgender Corbynite left versus electoral reality.
At the moment it is largely internationalist, free market liberals, versus nationalist, anti immigration populists yes
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Blair = LINO
Cameron = CINO?
No, no. TINO!
I trolled TSE about being a TINO on the previous thread
I expect May's speech was rather more to your tastes than TSE's!
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
A win's a win. A liberal New York internationalist as leader of the free world.
Hillary is not that liberal, she is a hawk and has already rowed back from TPP to suit the climate while a GOP congress would limit her room for manoeuvre
Not that New York, either - more Arkansas and Washington.
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
My own reluctant view is that politically she is the better alternative on offer. However, I would pay good money to sit opposite Trump at dinner, and ten times as much not to have to be in the same room as Hillary. And if May does the traditional smarmy whining about special relationships when she comes a-calling I shall never vote tory again.
There will be no 'special relationship' smarming with Hillary and May as there was with Bush/Clinton and Blair or Cameron and Obama, it will be a businesslike relationship, apart from Brexit May is probably the least interested in Foreign Policy PM we have had since Callaghan
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Or this whole left right thing is now useless.
Its globalists versus nativists, statists versus individualists, and the idiot frenzied PC identity-obsessed transgender Corbynite left versus electoral reality.
At the moment it is largely internationalist, free market liberals, versus nationalist, anti immigration populists yes
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Or this whole left right thing is now useless.
Its globalists versus nativists, statists versus individualists, and the idiot frenzied PC identity-obsessed transgender Corbynite left versus electoral reality.
Few people are more identity obsessed than Brexiteers.
Ooh, I dunno. Scot Nats. Feminazis. Europhile diehards.
There is a lot of it about. May seems obsessed with the Working Class.
There I stand with her. She's absolutely right to do that.
Who is most likely to fail, educationally, right now?
Just going by the national polls in 2012, it became a real dogfight starting in the first week of October. Romney was either leading by one or two, or was tied. From then on, it pretty much went back and forth.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Repub Demo Othe None Total 3,568 2,275 249 1,296 7,388
Trump leads on early voting there then
How does that compare to 2012?
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
Missed the outrage bus as I was knocked over by you galloping towards the outraged by outrage bus.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
May's speech looking quite good on BBC Ten. Centrist, generous, covering a lot of bases. She will be popular. For now.
She is PM until at least 2025 for me
Incredibly good for her. TUC praise. The CBI skeptical.
But the CBI are never going to vote for Corbyn.
Theresa May is the best that Labour voters could hope for, given that their own leader is a crazy IRA-loving Marxist who will never win. The Left is fucked.
Yes, Theresa May is more economically leftwing than Blair and not that much more economically rightwing than Brown. Though on social issues she is the most rightwing since Thatcher
Yes, possibly to the left of Blair, on economics. Remarkable.
Mind you Blair was also arguably right of Macmillan, Heath and Major on economics too
Or this whole left right thing is now useless.
Its globalists versus nativists, statists versus individualists, and the idiot frenzied PC identity-obsessed transgender Corbynite left versus electoral reality.
Few people are more identity obsessed than Brexiteers.
Ooh, I dunno. Scot Nats. Feminazis. Europhile diehards.
There is a lot of it about. May seems obsessed with the Working Class.
There I stand with her. She's absolutely right to do that.
Who is most likely to fail, educationally, right now?
Fuck this. These are our kids. Labour despises them, and prefers migrants. I don't. They're my kith and kin. Save them. Help them.
She will look after them as well as my cat looks after a mouse.
Who would do better for them? Immigration loving Corbyn? Immigration loving Farron? Immigration loving Osborne/Cameron? Unelectable Farage?
Theresa May is the best chance these people have. And I wish her well, on that basis, even if I disagree with much of what she says.
Just imagine if corbyn was Pm now,he would be bringing a immigration crisis to this country because he and his supporters are in the merkel camp when it comes to mass migration of asylum seekers.
''EU Mini Mart v Brexit Globalist Entrepreneurs.''
If only Theresa was an globalist entrepreneur. Zero evidence of that today. Plenty of bile for business and people with money. poking her nose everywhere. Nothing on the free market. Big distrust of 'individualists' Workers on boards FFS.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
Missed the outrage bus as I was knocked over by you galloping towards the outraged by outrage bus.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
Just imagine if corbyn was Pm now,he would be bringing a immigration crisis to this country because he and his supporters are in the merkel camp when it comes to mass migration of asylum seekers.
Merkel herself isn't, and never has been, 'in the Merkel camp' in the sense you mean.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
Yes, we have returned one of these for our daughter (we didn't get the 'we'll fill you in as British if you don't reply' bit, afaik).
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
The presentation would be from the school, presumably? It is a letter to parents - not intended to be scrutinised from a PC point of view.
The fact that so much is viewed through such a prism shows how far the Blairite/Cameroon pandering has gone.
The information is needed by the school, so they've asked for it. In t'north they have phrases for this, one of which involves spades.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
''EU Mini Mart v Brexit Globalist Entrepreneurs.''
If only Theresa was an globalist entrepreneur. Zero evidence of that today. Plenty of bile for business and people with money. poking her nose everywhere. Nothing on the free market. Big distrust of 'individualists' Workers on boards FFS.
It actually makes something of a refreshing change to have a PM who is not constantly sucking up to the super rich and big business a la Blair and Cameron but is ready to stand up for the average worker. May is no socialist but nor is she mesmerised by money either
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
Thank goodness it didn't take place during a febrile atmosphere permeated by accusations of xenophobia & racism, countered by accusations of manufactured outrage and 'nothing to see here'.
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Repub Demo Othe None Total 3,568 2,275 249 1,296 7,388
Trump leads on early voting there then
How does that compare to 2012?
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
The presentation would be from the school, presumably? It is a letter to parents - not intended to be scrutinised from a PC point of view.
The fact that so much is viewed through such a prism shows how far the Blairite/Cameroon pandering has gone.
The information is needed by the school, so they've asked for it. In t'north they have phrases for this, one of which involves spades.
Why would I be scrutinising this from a PC point of view, rather than as possible parent receiving the text? You really don't give people credit for having even the tiniest imagination.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
Thank goodness it didn't take place during a febrile atmosphere of accusations of xenophobia & racism, countered by accusations of manufactured outrage and 'nothing to see here'.
Thank goodness it won't be interpreted as anything out of the ordinary by any but those outrage bus season ticket holders.
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
Ted Cruz 2020?
I don't think so. There are few second chances in American politics. Hillary is an exception.
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Repub Demo Othe None Total 3,568 2,275 249 1,296 7,388
Trump leads on early voting there then
How does that compare to 2012?
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
We shall see
I merely asked a genuine question – as without a benchmark this data is useless (or near useless). I tried to find one briefly, but was unable.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
It's a generalisation, of course, and one that doesn't include me for instance. But ludicrous? If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
Find me a post in which I do that.
A clue: you won't.
Urm, didn't have to look very hard. From yesterday:
'There is now gigantic chasm on the centre ground. The Corbynistas have reaped what they have sown, allowing the Tories to happily march off into what as recently a few months ago would have been considered a frothing rightwing wilderness.'
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
Hear, hear Sean. Similarly, my corp taxes don't need to be reduced. They didn't need to be reduced from 21%. If it helped the working class kids in Rhyl, where most of my family live, I'd be happy to see it go back up to that.
I'm sure Mr. Meeks will agree? Oh, wait, doesn't he want Leavers to pay for Brexit, entirely missing the point of what part of the Leave vote was about....
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
Find me a post in which I do that.
A clue: you won't.
Urm, didn't have to look very hard. From yesterday:
'There is now gigantic chasm on the centre ground. The Corbynistas have reaped what they have sown, allowing the Tories to happily march off into what as recently a few months ago would have been considered a frothing rightwing wilderness.'
That was a reference to the leadership, during a a thread on the leadership as you well know. I was not referring to all Tories, as the context clearly shows.
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Repub Demo Othe None Total 3,568 2,275 249 1,296 7,388
Trump leads on early voting there then
How does that compare to 2012?
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
We shall see
I merely asked a genuine question – as without a benchmark this data is useless (or near useless). I tried to find one briefly, but was unable.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
Thank goodness it didn't take place during a febrile atmosphere of accusations of xenophobia & racism, countered by accusations of manufactured outrage and 'nothing to see here'.
Thank goodness it won't be interpreted as anything out of the ordinary by any but those outrage bus season ticket holders.
Is the PB Tory 5 minute rebuttal position salaried or gratuitous?
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
She might be out of touch with your caricature of the party, or the politically invovlved in general, but not the reality. No-one who has ever knocked on doors canvassing for hours in the pouring rain doesn't care about people in council houses in Middlesborough or Grammars in Essex.
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
Ted Cruz 2020?
I don't think so. There are few second chances in American politics. Hillary is an exception.
There certainly are on the GOP side, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, Dole, McCain and Romney all lost their first run for President
So I have been thinking about a possible (probable?) Hillary win, and its impacts.
We were assured that Brexit was the thin end of the wedge, that the liberal establishment was doomed, that the socially conservative anti-immigration white working class was in the ascendancy, that metropolitan attitudes were under siege.
And so too it seemed, what with May and Rudd and all.
The Trump rampers (Moniker Di Canio, RodCrosby, Plato etc etc etc) assured us a victory for the Donald was a natural progression, that it would follow Brexit as sure as night follows day.
If Hillary, liberal New Yorker globalist Hillary, pulls this off, it will upset the narrative just a little, I dare say.
Not really. The fact that Trump is even remotely in contention at this stage supports the argument set out in your 2nd paragraph almost as much as an actual win would.
Not really. History is written by the winners, even when its close (see Brexit).
If Hillary does win she will face a GOP congress and I remain of the view if she does win it will be by literally scraping home
Repub Demo Othe None Total 3,568 2,275 249 1,296 7,388
Trump leads on early voting there then
How does that compare to 2012?
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
We shall see
I merely asked a genuine question – as without a benchmark this data is useless (or near useless). I tried to find one briefly, but was unable.
We will only really find out on election night
No what I am saying is that early voting can indeed be a pointer to results (and betting) but we need a benchmark.
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
The presentation is dreadful with no explanation or context, but the exercise is probably a reasonable one.
Thank goodness it didn't take place during a febrile atmosphere of accusations of xenophobia & racism, countered by accusations of manufactured outrage and 'nothing to see here'.
Thank goodness it won't be interpreted as anything out of the ordinary by any but those outrage bus season ticket holders.
Is the PB Tory 5 minute rebuttal position salaried or gratuitous?
The PBTory RapidRebuttalService is entirely voluntary. We live to serve.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
Find me a post in which I do that.
A clue: you won't.
Urm, didn't have to look very hard. From yesterday:
'There is now gigantic chasm on the centre ground. The Corbynistas have reaped what they have sown, allowing the Tories to happily march off into what as recently a few months ago would have been considered a frothing rightwing wilderness.'
That was a reference to the leadership, during a a thread on the leadership as you well know. I was not referring to all Tories, as the context clearly shows.
I know, but it looked too much like an easy win at this time of night
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
It's a generalisation, of course, and one that doesn't include me for instance. But ludicrous? If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.
If people on both sides had shown more interest in those that were left behind we may indeed still be in the EU. It wasn't/isn't just Remainers that were/are guilty of selfishness. Far from it. Several hard rightists on here have only just discovered the poor.
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
She might be out of touch with your caricature of the party, or the politically invovlved in general, but not the reality. No-one who has ever knocked on doors canvassing for hours in the pouring rain doesn't care about people in council houses in Middlesborough or Grammars in Essex.
Well, lets see how it plays out.
I suspect that this government will not do much that is radically different to the last one, Brexit excepted.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
Perhaps remember that when you next criticise groups in your traditional generalised way. Tories, for example.
Find me a post in which I do that.
A clue: you won't.
Urm, didn't have to look very hard. From yesterday:
'There is now gigantic chasm on the centre ground. The Corbynistas have reaped what they have sown, allowing the Tories to happily march off into what as recently a few months ago would have been considered a frothing rightwing wilderness.'
That was a reference to the leadership, during a a thread on the leadership as you well know. I was not referring to all Tories, as the context clearly shows.
I know, but it looked too much like an easy win at this time of night
It is MUCH better than everyone said. It's better than Cameron on an average day. It lacks jokes but, you know, fuck all that. It is serious and passionate and she very clearly means it, and she's obviously been thinking about it for a long time. It is a coherent philosophy, lucidly delivered, it challenges her audience, it is pretty damn impressive - even if I don't agree with lots of it.
Yup. I don't know what certain PBTories are moaning about, tbh.
It WAS good and WILL play well. Very well done Mrs May.
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
A majority of Tory voters want to leave the EU and end free movement and want more grammar schools according to polling, so May is clearly more in touch with Tory voters than Dave was
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
Ted Cruz 2020?
I don't think so. There are few second chances in American politics. Hillary is an exception.
There certainly are on the GOP side, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, Dole, McCain and Romney all lost their first run for President
The trend is for them to lose second time too. Nixon is perhaps not the best example either!
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
A majority of Tory voters want to leave the EU and end free movement and want more grammar schools according to polling, so May is clearly more in touch with Tory voters than Dave was
May was for Remain, though has turned her coat since.
It is MUCH better than everyone said. It's better than Cameron on an average day. It lacks jokes but, you know, fuck all that. It is serious and passionate and she very clearly means it, and she's obviously been thinking about it for a long time. It is a coherent philosophy, lucidly delivered, it challenges her audience, it is pretty damn impressive - even if I don't agree with lots of it.
It got one big laugh that was humorous, whilst also being vicious and politically dextrous at passing on her own personal parcel bomb - namely, Labour now being the Nasty Party. How she must have enjoyed the Labour Party handing her that gift.
I'm globalist and individualist. But I am also, very importantly (for me), a British patriot. And I accept that my kind of Brit - rich, liberal, educated, London property owner - has had a fucking good run for decades.
It's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
I go along with that. But identifying with people isn't the same as GIVING them the better deal. The fact is, globalisation is the way the world works. You help people by helping them compete better and deal better with the outside world. The sad paradox is that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind while Leavers don't have any answers for them.
What a ludicrous generalisation that Remainers didn't want to help those left behind. Some did very much, some less so. They are not a homogeneous whole.
It's a generalisation, of course, and one that doesn't include me for instance. But ludicrous? If Remainers had generally shown more interest in those that were left behind we would probably still be in the EU. The result was close enough that there were several factors that made the difference between remaining and leaving. That was one of them.
If people on both sides had shown more interest in those that were left behind we may indeed still be in the EU. It wasn't/isn't just Remainers that were/are guilty of selfishness. Far from it. Several hard rightists on here have only just discovered the poor.
Yeah, but "they" gave an ear and "we" didn't, while "we" could have done something about it and "they" can't.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Funny that we had Theresa May's policy man on Newsnight tonight. These people tend to keep quiet and away from the public gaze. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it makes me think that May doesn't really trust too many of her colleagues.
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
There's no one left in Labour. It is a party of specifically miniaturised dwarves. Weird creeps of no salience whatsoever. They're dead.
Andy Burnham is Shadow Home Secretary but giving up to become Mayor of Manchester and the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis had his conference speech rewritten by Seamus Milne for being too pro Trident
Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
There is nothing Clinton it saying that hasn't been said before by Democrat candidates, going back decades for some issues. If you vote Clinton you aren't voting for change but more of the same. The problems America has will persist, and come 2020 a pissed off electorate might vote for a candidate worse than Trump (although I admit it's hard to name such a person who could get nominated).
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
Ted Cruz 2020?
I don't think so. There are few second chances in American politics. Hillary is an exception.
There certainly are on the GOP side, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41, Dole, McCain and Romney all lost their first run for President
The trend is for them to lose second time too. Nixon is perhaps not the best example either!
Reagan ran Gerald Ford close 40 years ago though.
This far out I wouldn't tip Cruz.
If Cruz runs again he will almost certainly get it, after all the biggest GOP field for years this year could not even beat Trump, let alone Clinton. Ryan is happy being Speaker and the base will still demand one of their own in 4 years' time. Bush 41, Dole, McCain and Romney all got the nomination on their second attempt, Reagan on his third
t's time for people like me to suffer, relatively, as my poorer compatriots get a better deal.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
Yes, I am. I'm a patriot, I want my fellow Brits to do well, especially the poor. I bridle at middle class tax hikes under Labour, because I know they will be spunked on stupid shit, and pointless new immigration, and generally wasted.
I trust the Tories to spend it better.
And yes, London property owners might need to dig a bit deeper for working class kids in Middlesborough. That's what being a Briton means.
I am not at all convinced that those Daily Mail readers want to tax home owners in the Shires to build council housing in Middlesborough and Grammar schools in Southend.
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
A majority of Tory voters want to leave the EU and end free movement and want more grammar schools according to polling, so May is clearly more in touch with Tory voters than Dave was
May was for Remain, though has turned her coat since.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
There's no one left in Labour. It is a party of specifically miniaturised dwarves. Weird creeps of no salience whatsoever. They're dead.
Andy Burnham is Shadow Home Secretary but giving up to become Mayor of Manchester and the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis had his conference speech rewritten by Seamus Milne for being too pro Trident
Who is the Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary? Without googling, I honestly don't know. And I'm a political obsessive. They're a disaster.
Looks like you have answered your own question but Corbyn also has the problem most of his MPs refuse to even serve under him
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
There's no one left in Labour. It is a party of specifically miniaturised dwarves. Weird creeps of no salience whatsoever. They're dead.
Andy Burnham is Shadow Home Secretary but giving up to become Mayor of Manchester and the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis had his conference speech rewritten by Seamus Milne for being too pro Trident
Who is the Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary? Without googling, I honestly don't know. And I'm a political obsessive. They're a disaster.
Apparently Emily Thornberry is Labour's Shadow Foreign Sec. I had to go to Wikipedia to find out. And I spend my life on here.
Either I have Alzheimers, fairly early onset, or this party is now so anonymous and shit, and staffed by talentless dorks, they are heading towards a grisly electoral death.
You should have known that...it is only a few weeks since she claimed it was sexist to ask her the name of various counter parts around the world.
Apparently Emily Thornberry is Labour's Shadow Foreign Sec. I had to go to Wikipedia to find out. And I spend my life on here.
Either I have Alzheimers, fairly early onset, or this party is now so anonymous and shit, and staffed by talentless dorks, they are heading towards a grisly electoral death.
She's the obvious choice for Jezza in the FCO - she hate's our flag ...
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
There's no one left in Labour. It is a party of specifically miniaturised dwarves. Weird creeps of no salience whatsoever. They're dead.
Andy Burnham is Shadow Home Secretary but giving up to become Mayor of Manchester and the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis had his conference speech rewritten by Seamus Milne for being too pro Trident
Who is the Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary? Without googling, I honestly don't know. And I'm a political obsessive. They're a disaster.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
what do you think i mean by doing worse??? he lost the debate, thats his own damn fault. he is doing worse than romney at the moment.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
The difference in political talent in the Tory party, versus the Labour party, is now embarrassing
Leader: Theresa May versus.... Jeremy Corbyn
But let's carry on
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson versus.... Literally don't know the name of the Labour Foreign Secretary
Chancellor - Philip Hammond versus.... John "IRA" McDonnell
Home Secretary: Amber Rudd versus.... oooh, possibly a problem here, wait no - I've got no idea of the name of the Labour Home Secretary. Diane Abbott? Gerry Adams? Anjem Choudary?
There's no one left in Labour. It is a party of specifically miniaturised dwarves. Weird creeps of no salience whatsoever. They're dead.
Andy Burnham is Shadow Home Secretary but giving up to become Mayor of Manchester and the Shadow Defence Secretary Clive Lewis had his conference speech rewritten by Seamus Milne for being too pro Trident
Who is the Labour Shadow Foreign Secretary? Without googling, I honestly don't know. And I'm a political obsessive. They're a disaster.
The BBC is just buying the entire Theresa May narrative.
The BBC are desperate for another Blairite Labour government and they know that getting rid of Corbyn and McDonnell as soon as possible is the only way to get that dream back on track. Well, maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
Given she needs Labour votes or to change the law beforehand either way there would be plenty of forewarning for an early election.
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
what do you think i mean by doing worse??? he lost the debate, thats his own damn fault. he is doing worse than romney at the moment.
Depends on what poll you look at, Trump is ahead with Rasmussen and the LA Times, Pence won the debate last night, the Wikileaks on Benghazi etc start in the next few days and the second debate is Sunday.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
what do you think i mean by doing worse??? he lost the debate, thats his own damn fault. he is doing worse than romney at the moment.
Depends on what poll you look at, Trump is ahead with Rasmussen and the LA Times, Pence won the debate last night, the Wikileaks on Benghazi etc start in the next few days and the second debate is Sunday.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
Given she needs Labour votes or to change the law beforehand either way there would be plenty of forewarning for an early election.
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
She is a politician.
Not only that, but one who played a very canny Brexit campaign by going AWOL.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
Given she needs Labour votes or to change the law beforehand either way there would be plenty of forewarning for an early election.
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
Play the long game, Labour eats itself alive, boundary changes and of course Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
Given she needs Labour votes or to change the law beforehand either way there would be plenty of forewarning for an early election.
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
Play the long game, Labour eats itself alive, boundary changes and of course Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
The curious thing is that Labour didn't eat itself alive. Against all odds it had the best conference of the three.
But perhaps you're right. Maybe Labour should leave the Tories alone right now.
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
what do you think i mean by doing worse??? he lost the debate, thats his own damn fault. he is doing worse than romney at the moment.
Depends on what poll you look at, Trump is ahead with Rasmussen and the LA Times, Pence won the debate last night, the Wikileaks on Benghazi etc start in the next few days and the second debate is Sunday.
One hopes Trump is actually studying this time
Depending on what comes out of Wikileaks he may not need to, it will all be on a plate for him. Goodnight
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
Yes, but on the other hand May is no Osborne and "getting one over on Labour" is much lower down her list of priorities than "doing the right thing" - which as she has repeatedly stated is making Brexit work. May is very WYSIWYG -listen to what she says - it's what she believes and what she'll do.....The GE is in May 2020 - unless she gets into a huge scrap with the Lords and needs to take them down...
Trump is doing as well as Romney did in 2012 at the moment, there is no reason at all for him to drop out, especially as the GOP side are not exactly filled with brilliant alternative candidates either and Trump-Pence is now already on the ballot in many states. The Benghazi Wikileaks is also due to be released in the next few days, just before Sunday's debate http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-revelations-about-the-u-s-election-to-be-released-in-a-few-days/
I think you might have missed Alex Jones's meltdown over Wikileaks.
Wikileaks never actually said the leaks would be today, the press conference was just a publicity statement, Assange's spokeswoman confirmed today the first release would be in the next few days with more coming a few days after
It's so hyped it's a guaranteed damp squib.
i thought you said it would be today that the leak would happen? in fact, roger stone guaranteed it!
also, trump ia doing a lot worse than romney, by around 5 points nationally
No he is not, RCP has Hillary leading Trump by 3.8% today, Romney lost by 3.9% to Obama
im talking about in pre-election polls. romney was leading by 2 at this stage 4 years ago
Romney won the first debate (which is the point at which you are referring to in the polls) but lost the second and third. He also went into the debates further behind than Trump was
what do you think i mean by doing worse??? he lost the debate, thats his own damn fault. he is doing worse than romney at the moment.
Depends on what poll you look at, Trump is ahead with Rasmussen and the LA Times, Pence won the debate last night, the Wikileaks on Benghazi etc start in the next few days and the second debate is Sunday.
One hopes Trump is actually studying this time
Depending on what comes out of Wikileaks he may not need to, it will all be on a plate for him. Goodnight
wikileaks is wishful thinking isn't it? isn't your faith damaged by this week's fiasco?
The fact that Theresa May keeps ruling out a snap election doesn't, with respect, mean anything much because the whole point of a snap election is to catch the opposition unawares and, by definition, she wouldn't want to give the impression that she might call one in advance.
May is to snap elections what Gove was to leadership elections
Given she needs Labour votes or to change the law beforehand either way there would be plenty of forewarning for an early election.
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
Play the long game, Labour eats itself alive, boundary changes and of course Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
Against all odds it had the best conference of the three
An interesting perspective- I'm glad that you believe that.....it may not be a view universally held....
May is very WYSIWYG -listen to what she says - it's what she believes
Apart from during referendum campaigns, like
We'll have to wait for her memoirs, but I suspect she viewed it as Cameron's mess he and his inner circle of chums could sort out. After years of being left out, time for her to return the compliment.
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Let's give it 4 (or 8) years and see if she still looks like a winner. She strikes me as someone like Gordon Brown who wants the position for the sake of having the position, not to get anything done.
My own reluctant view is that politically she is the better alternative on offer. However, I would pay good money to sit opposite Trump at dinner, and ten times as much not to have to be in the same room as Hillary. And if May does the traditional smarmy whining about special relationships when she comes a-calling I shall never vote tory again.
ADVANTAGES of REMAINING in CUSTOM UNION
1. Tariff -free transit of industrial goods with the EU/EEA(but not services or agriculture)
2 Ready-made set of free trade agreements with third party countries already negotiated by the EU. DIY will result in a long gap while the new deals are negotiated. The EU has more market clout than the UK to get better deals
3. Much lower burden of red tape as exporters with supply chains don’t require origination certification for the components nor for finished products
4. UK negotiators can concentrate on the key EU and WTO arrangements. They are spread too thin to take on third country negotiations as well.
5. Early commitment to a Customs Union would remove uncertainty for investment in UK industrials (think Nissan in Sunderland).
BONUS advantage! Possible redundancy for Liam Fox
ADVANTAGES of LEAVING the CUSTOM UNION
1. The UK can unilaterally reduce its import duties allowing them to compete better with EU countries on price for finished products to third countries
2. The UK may be more flexible in negotiating deals with third countries and so have a higher chance of success than the EU does.
Is that a fair summary? If so, an early commitment to the EU Customs Union is compelling, because there are more advantages and more immediately useful ones. The politics may say otherwise of course. What do people think?
https://twitter.com/twrc/status/783734197135564800
https://twitter.com/twrc/status/783744325234679808
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-census-2016-to-2017-guide-for-schools-and-las
If you read the details, it seems pretty obvious (to me at least) that nationality and country of birth are new features on this school census, and the school will automatically put British and Britain for the child in question unless they hear otherwise.
I am led to believe that Republicans always have a large by-mail early ballot advantage in the state (in-person early voting advantage for the Dems, which shows later)
Obama had the whole Hope and Change thing, even if he didn't deliver a great deal. What does Hilary have? She's not a lunatic; now that's why you have to vote for her, but don't get your hopes up, she will likely be a very disappointing President.
If only Theresa was an globalist entrepreneur. Zero evidence of that today. Plenty of bile for business and people with money. poking her nose everywhere. Nothing on the free market. Big distrust of 'individualists' Workers on boards FFS.
The fact that so much is viewed through such a prism shows how far the Blairite/Cameroon pandering has gone.
The information is needed by the school, so they've asked for it. In t'north they have phrases for this, one of which involves spades.
So you're up for tax hikes for the middle classes then?
We won't really know what May intends until the money is doled out.
A clue: you won't.
'There is now gigantic chasm on the centre ground. The Corbynistas have reaped what they have sown, allowing the Tories to happily march off into what as recently a few months ago would have been considered a frothing rightwing wilderness.'
I'm sure Mr. Meeks will agree? Oh, wait, doesn't he want Leavers to pay for Brexit, entirely missing the point of what part of the Leave vote was about....
Indeed It may well be that TICIPM is more out of touch with her party than Dave ever was. She possibly may get away with it for a while as there is no alternative.
I suspect that this government will not do much that is radically different to the last one, Brexit excepted.
It WAS good and WILL play well. Very well done Mrs May.
Reagan ran Gerald Ford close 40 years ago though.
This far out I wouldn't tip Cruz.
Bush '00: 35%
Bush '04: 40%
McCain: 31%
Romney: 27%
Trump (today): 10.6%
https://t.co/1Dj0vNxTjH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Home_Secretary
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/11/emily-thornberry-sexism-dermot-murnaghan-sky-news
I believe her when she says no early election, I'm not sure why nobody else does.
Not only that, but one who played a very canny Brexit campaign by going AWOL.
May is no saint.
But perhaps you're right. Maybe Labour should leave the Tories alone right now.