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SystemSystem Posts: 11,709
edited October 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Ex-top Trump aide says expect a big anti-Clinton Wikileaks revelation on Wednesday

This is the latest in this extraordinary White House battle. Only problem with trailing like this is that it could blunt the impact if its not quite as sensational as being suggested.

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    Unlike trump
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    hmmmm. i have my doubts. Wikileaks havent found anything yet, and the clintons dont seem worried.
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Killed by the New thread. So repost.

    Apple will be fine as long as there are dicks like this in the world.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tMirx_bwmWk
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    third, like trump with minority voters.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    Q-Pac: Clinton +5 Florida, Clinton +3 North Carolina, Trump +5 Ohio, Clinton +4 Pennsylvania https://t.co/rvomTkFD4A

    Trump cant win without florida
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    So Hilary's the one behind the removal of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,645
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,645
    On topic - the Clintons are both Lawyers. Just like New Labour they are very, very good at just avoiding putting something lethal in writing.

    MInd you, when it came selling peerages, a certain prime minister was only saved by the interesting idea that it wasn't in the public interest to prosecute. Since it would be unfair, given that his predecessors had sold peerages...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    On Topic.

    No it won't have an impact.

    People are voting against Trump not in favour of Hillary, for Trump to win he has to stop giving reasons for people to hate him.

    Trump is the only person who has made Cruella de Vil (Hillary)l look good in comparison.
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    619619 Posts: 1,784
    roger stone seems to be a right wing loon to be honest. One look at his twitter feed would show that.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    fpt;

    For trump backers, GOP in ohio seems like a reasonable bet @ 5/6;

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/ohio

    Amid the crap state polls for trump from quinnipiac, ohio is looking quite solid;

    https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/ps/soh10032016_trends_S27kmrd.pdf
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,141
    Is this the same Roger Stone who said Hillary Clinton should be executed for murder and Bernie Sanders should be arrested for treason and shot?

    Is reposting his tweets here deemed more acceptable than citing voodoo polls?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    619 said:

    Q-Pac: Clinton +5 Florida, Clinton +3 North Carolina, Trump +5 Ohio, Clinton +4 Pennsylvania https://t.co/rvomTkFD4A

    Trump cant win without florida

    Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Maine CD-2 and loses everything else.

    Creulla De Vil wins 322-216

    Seems reasonable given that the result on my tracking poll is stabilising on Romney levels of defeat.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,021
    edited October 2016
    Speedy said:

    On Topic.

    No it won't have an impact.

    People are voting against Trump not in favour of Hillary, for Trump to win he has to stop giving reasons for people to hate him.

    Trump is the only person who has made Cruella de Vil (Hillary)l look good in comparison.

    Agreed. Let's put it like this: n. Hispanics + n. Feminists > n. Angry White Men
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    LauraK
    Remain was 'crap' and the 'naughty question' -Ashcroft's back... https://t.co/NWBTiAEzQp
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    PlatoSaid said:

    LauraK
    Remain was 'crap' and the 'naughty question' -Ashcroft's back... https://t.co/NWBTiAEzQp

    With friends like him, etc,etc.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,120
    edited October 2016
    Off-topic:

    Russia's suspends deal to reduce stocks of weapons-grade plutonium. Their excuse is that the US is cheating.

    It would therefore be sensible if Russia's demand for the resumption would be for the US to stop cheating (or clarify what they are doing). But no.

    Also on Monday, President Putin submitted a bill (in Russian) to parliament setting a series of pre-conditions for the US for the agreement to be resumed, including:
    reduction of US military infrastructure and troops in countries that joined Nato after 1 September 2000
    lifting of all US sanctions against Russia and compensation for the damage they have caused

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37539616
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    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkLAhU74f3s
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Hmmm

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/doj-side-agreements-let-agents-destroy-laptops-in-clinton-email-case/article/2603450#.V_KQBFJhqf0.twitter

    House Republicans are demanding to know why Justice Department officials entered into a pair of "side agreement" with Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson — two of Hillary Clinton's top former aides who went on to become her personal attorneys during the FBI's email investigation — that allowed law enforcement agents to destroy their laptops after searching their hard drives for evidence.
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    saddened said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    LauraK
    Remain was 'crap' and the 'naughty question' -Ashcroft's back... https://t.co/NWBTiAEzQp

    With friends like him, etc,etc.
    Saw a video of him at the 1922 back bench committee and Conhome joint event where he seemed to give Theresa a hug and peck on the cheek. Bit different from Cameron
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Oh my http://news.sky.com/story/mi5-agent-posing-as-beggar-saved-children-from-terrorist-attack-10604663

    On one operation, Tom was nearly kidnapped by the terrorists he was tracking.

    "(This) was something we'd never, ever seen before on UK soil, and it came very, very close to them putting me into a van and taking me to an address that we later searched with Special Branch, where they found plastic sheeting on the ground and a video camera and the flag and the butcher's knife. It was really down to the wire."

    On another occasion, Tom was part of an MI5 team tracking a suspected Islamist terrorist. He sat outside a London mosque during evening prayers.

    He said: "It was chucking it down and I was dressed as a tramp, pretending to ask for change, my own clothes soaked in my own urine to compliment that cover.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,120
    edited October 2016

    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall.

    That's interesting thanks.

    They've been talking about the wall for at least two decades. But it's really a cushioned rather than a solid wall; progress is slowing (Intel has moved away from it's tick-tock system to a three-phase Process-Architecture-Optimise one).

    One thing always blows my mind: three are companies that will take a chip, remove the top surface (packaging), and alter the circuitry within. At a very high cost, but cheaper (in time and money) than going through another chip prototype phase. In fact, it's good to think about this during the design process.

    http://www.nanoscopeservices.co.uk/fib-circuit-edit/

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall.

    That's interesting thanks.

    They've been talking about the wall for at least two decades. But it's really a cushioned rather than a solid wall; progress is slowing (Intel has moved away from it's tick-tock system to a three-phase Process-Architecture-Optimise one).

    One thing always blows my mind: three are companies that will take a chip, remove the top surface (packaging), and alter the circuitry within. At a very high cost, but cheaper (in time and money) than going through another chip prototype phase. In fact, it's good to think about this during the design process.

    http://www.nanoscopeservices.co.uk/fib-circuit-edit/

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)
    I've always wanted to frame a 300mm wafer, but I'm not sure where to source one!
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited October 2016
    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    What does "is done" mean?
    It doesn't mean anything.
    It's not going to be anything.
    Whatever it is, will be completely insignificant.
    Whatever it is.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099

    TGOHF said:

    The iphone 8 is the 10 year anniversary edition.

    Some talk that the good stuff is being held back for that one.

    This fan boy is sitting the 7 out.

    Won't the 10th anniversary model be the 7S?
    Fox jr reckons that the best thing about the iphone 7 is that the 6S has come down in price.

    Personally, I am hanging on for the Sony XZ. I might have a look at the Google pixel too.
    The OnePlus 3 is also excellent
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162

    Off-topic:

    Russia's suspends deal to reduce stocks of weapons-grade plutonium. Their excuse is that the US is cheating.

    It would therefore be sensible if Russia's demand for the resumption would be for the US to stop cheating (or clarify what they are doing). But no.

    Also on Monday, President Putin submitted a bill (in Russian) to parliament setting a series of pre-conditions for the US for the agreement to be resumed, including:
    reduction of US military infrastructure and troops in countries that joined Nato after 1 September 2000
    lifting of all US sanctions against Russia and compensation for the damage they have caused

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37539616

    He submitted a bill to the Russian parliament in Russian? Clearly this man is beyond the pale.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Q-Pac: Clinton +5 Florida, Clinton +3 North Carolina, Trump +5 Ohio, Clinton +4 Pennsylvania https://t.co/rvomTkFD4A

    Trump cant win without florida

    Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Maine CD-2 and loses everything else.

    Creulla De Vil wins 322-216

    Seems reasonable given that the result on my tracking poll is stabilising on Romney levels of defeat.
    It still looks pretty tight to me. But, if Clinton wins by 3% or so, the EC vote should be in that ballpark.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,120
    MaxPB said:

    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall.

    That's interesting thanks.

    They've been talking about the wall for at least two decades. But it's really a cushioned rather than a solid wall; progress is slowing (Intel has moved away from it's tick-tock system to a three-phase Process-Architecture-Optimise one).

    One thing always blows my mind: three are companies that will take a chip, remove the top surface (packaging), and alter the circuitry within. At a very high cost, but cheaper (in time and money) than going through another chip prototype phase. In fact, it's good to think about this during the design process.

    http://www.nanoscopeservices.co.uk/fib-circuit-edit/

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)
    I've always wanted to frame a 300mm wafer, but I'm not sure where to source one!
    Mine's only 8 inches. But they say size doesn't matter. :)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    rcs1000 said:

    TGOHF said:

    The iphone 8 is the 10 year anniversary edition.

    Some talk that the good stuff is being held back for that one.

    This fan boy is sitting the 7 out.

    Won't the 10th anniversary model be the 7S?
    Fox jr reckons that the best thing about the iphone 7 is that the 6S has come down in price.

    Personally, I am hanging on for the Sony XZ. I might have a look at the Google pixel too.
    The OnePlus 3 is also excellent
    My partner just took delivery of the X compact. Excellent device. Absolutely flies, not a single hitch, zero slowdown and all in a good female friendly size rather than the 5.5" behemoths that we seem to be getting these days. It also has killer battery life according to her, she had an iPhone 5S before hand which she had to charge at 2pm and when she got home (when it was brand new, no less), this gives her full day battery life. She seems slightly amazed to be out of the Apple ghetto for just 380 Francs (Amazon UK import to Switzerland without raiding the import few deposit, having a permanent Swiss address is great for shopping).
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806
    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    MaxPB said:

    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall.

    That's interesting thanks.

    They've been talking about the wall for at least two decades. But it's really a cushioned rather than a solid wall; progress is slowing (Intel has moved away from it's tick-tock system to a three-phase Process-Architecture-Optimise one).

    One thing always blows my mind: three are companies that will take a chip, remove the top surface (packaging), and alter the circuitry within. At a very high cost, but cheaper (in time and money) than going through another chip prototype phase. In fact, it's good to think about this during the design process.

    http://www.nanoscopeservices.co.uk/fib-circuit-edit/

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)
    I've always wanted to frame a 300mm wafer, but I'm not sure where to source one!
    Mine's only 8 inches. But they say size doesn't matter. :)
    TSMC are making 450mm wafers soon. I'd love for the UK to become the major exporter of graphene wafers.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    Trump has his own legal problems...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37547094
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Paging Sunil

    "The only hint she gave of future immigration policy came when she was asked about Vote Leave campaign promises that curbs on EU migration could lead to increases in migration from Australia, India and other parts of the Commonwealth. She made quite clear that increasing Commonwealth immigration was not being considered: “There are no plans to increase immigration from Australia. Did somebody promise to increase migration from Australia? Who was that?” she asked.

    “Oh Mr Johnson again,” she said when she was told it was the foreign secretary."

    Tories ditch budget surplus pledge and announce £3bn housebuilding plan - Politics live

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/oct/03/conservative-conference-philip-hammond-confirms-osbornes-austerity-timetable-has-been-dropped-politics-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,120
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT You can't beat physics. Why chip manufacturers are heading for the wall.

    That's interesting thanks.

    They've been talking about the wall for at least two decades. But it's really a cushioned rather than a solid wall; progress is slowing (Intel has moved away from it's tick-tock system to a three-phase Process-Architecture-Optimise one).

    One thing always blows my mind: three are companies that will take a chip, remove the top surface (packaging), and alter the circuitry within. At a very high cost, but cheaper (in time and money) than going through another chip prototype phase. In fact, it's good to think about this during the design process.

    http://www.nanoscopeservices.co.uk/fib-circuit-edit/

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)
    I've always wanted to frame a 300mm wafer, but I'm not sure where to source one!
    Mine's only 8 inches. But they say size doesn't matter. :)
    TSMC are making 450mm wafers soon. I'd love for the UK to become the major exporter of graphene wafers.
    GFETs (transistors on graphene) look very promising for RF applications. Has there been any progress on developing sufficient band-gap for digital logic?

    (Apologies to PBers for the off-topicness of this).
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Q-Pac: Clinton +5 Florida, Clinton +3 North Carolina, Trump +5 Ohio, Clinton +4 Pennsylvania https://t.co/rvomTkFD4A

    Trump cant win without florida

    Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Maine CD-2 and loses everything else.

    Cruella De Vil wins 322-216

    Seems reasonable given that the result on my tracking poll is stabilising on Romney levels of defeat.
    It still looks pretty tight to me. But, if Clinton wins by 3% or so, the EC vote should be in that ballpark.
    It looks like it's going to be 3%, Hillary looks to be out of green voters to pinch so she isn't going higher than 47%, Trump on the other hand is out of die hard republicans so he isn't going above 44%

    It's like a race between John Kerry (got 48%) and John McCain (got 45%).
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    I guess there are three possible explanations:

    1. The government has good reason to believe Brexit will have little practical effect on the City.
    2. It will have a bad effect, but the government in promoting a Brexit that's not universally popular pushes a case that ignores possible downsides and ends up believing its own rhetoric. The Tony Blair Iraq War syndrome.
    3. They know it will be bad. There's nothing they can do about it short of cancelling the referendum result, so they'll pretend it's fine.

    I see some signs of the Iraq War syndrome in the May government.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    619 said:

    Q-Pac: Clinton +5 Florida, Clinton +3 North Carolina, Trump +5 Ohio, Clinton +4 Pennsylvania https://t.co/rvomTkFD4A

    Trump cant win without florida

    Trump wins Ohio, Iowa, Maine CD-2 and loses everything else.

    Creulla De Vil wins 322-216

    Seems reasonable given that the result on my tracking poll is stabilising on Romney levels of defeat.
    It still looks pretty tight to me. But, if Clinton wins by 3% or so, the EC vote should be in that ballpark.
    My prediction 6 months ago was Clinton by 3% in the popular vote, although I think it might be closer than that now.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
    Nah.

    Trump could have won without hispanics if he had a brain cell.
    Trump will probably lose the election because of his personal character, not his policies.

    Everytime Trump collapsed was because he attacked someone who wasn't Hillary and of course behaving stupid, he lost because educated people don't like idiots.

    And he will find that americans don't like losers.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099
    I'm assuming everyone has seen Alec Baldwin as Donald Trump. Very funny.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162

    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .

    To a certain mindset the lives of the people living in the country are less important than the glory of the state.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    My personal favourite was the sudden praise of Chris Grayling - a man previously derided as beyond stupid for years - the moment he backed May's leadership campaign.

    Hilarious.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
    Why do you hate democracy and self government?
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    I find it very amusing, and the idea that the public will care if "bankers" get in the neck is even funnier.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    Yes, well that's just my personal estimate. I think our forecast is around 20-30k but the team has been proven as relentlessly negative, and though I don't speak ill of my colleagues they do need to rework all of the pre-referendum assumptions. If the job losses in the short term are under 10k and over the long term we open up relatively free services trade with Canada, Japan, Korea, Australia, NZ and Mercosur then I think the medium to long term picture is one of decent growth, even if the EU tries to lock us out with blunt instruments such as trying to insist all EUR derivatives trade takes place in the EU, though how they will police someone in Singapore selling someone in New York EUR denominated derivatives is not really something I understand.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm assuming everyone has seen Alec Baldwin as Donald Trump. Very funny.

    I have.

    I agree, especially the part where Trump(Baldwin) accuses Hillary for all the things that Trump is.

    Here it is, the Abominable Trump vs Cruella De Vil:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,045
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Well we can all patriotically fly the Union Jacks in our huts knowing that we'll be significantly poorer for the rest of our lives. A price worth paying? Maybe for fools like you...

    Your patriotic bluster about sovereignty and self-governance will mean nothing in depressed economic times. Where I work I've been told tough decisions will be made in context with Brexit - job losses are expected. Time will tell as ever but the future is far from rosy...
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    A few months ago nobody was talking about having to subsidize car manufacturers.

    A new hospital every week, you said.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
    Why do you hate democracy and self government?
    I don't . Why do you hate people having jobs ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
    Demographics isn't a problem. The Republicans are perfectly capable of winning the House, the Senate, and two thirds of State legislatures.

    They just need to choose the right candidate for President.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    Pong said:

    A few months ago nobody was talking about having to subsidize car manufacturers.

    The people talking about subsidising car manufacturers are car manufacturers.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    I find it very amusing, and the idea that the public will care if "bankers" get in the neck is even funnier.
    Indeed, this obsession with the City by some of our resident lefties is a bit sad. I can understand the likes of Richard Nabavi and TOPPING being worried about its future (though I think they worry too much) but when I see a known lefty tell me about how awful all the job losses are going to be when just last year they were revelling in City job losses to Frankfurt or Paris as some kind of payback for the previous recession. One in which the City, as most people know it, had very little responsibility since it was ordinary retail banks lending money to people who were unsuitable that broke RBS, HBOS and Northern Rock.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
    I disagree with your assertion that the EU makes us better off, but let's for the sake of argument assume you're right. Is a bit more material wealth worthwhile compensation for being governed in a remote, opaque, barely democratic manner?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    murali_s said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Well we can all patriotically fly the Union Jacks in our huts knowing that we'll be significantly poorer for the rest of our lives. A price worth paying? Maybe for fools like you...

    Your patriotic bluster about sovereignty and self-governance will mean nothing in depressed economic times. Where I work I've been told tough decisions will be made in context with Brexit - job losses are expected. Time will tell as ever but the future is far from rosy...
    I don't know why you feel the need to exaggerate. The UK is a prosperous country and will remain a prosperous country. No one's going to be living in mud huts.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631
    Pong said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    A few months ago nobody was talking about having to subsidize car manufacturers.

    A new hospital every week, you said.
    One French CEO is now "people"?

    I never did, please find evidence for that claim. In fact I regularly rubbished the £350m claim and hoped they would use the £200m figure as it was more honest and still large enough to hold people's attention.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    BREAKING new CNN/ORC national poll among likely voters: Clinton 47, Trump 42, Johnson 7, Stein 2
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Essexit said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
    I disagree with your assertion that the EU makes us better off, but let's for the sake of argument assume you're right. Is a bit more material wealth worthwhile compensation for being governed in a remote, opaque, barely democratic manner?
    I believe that describing us as being governed in a remote , opaque , barely democratic manner is a gross exaggeration .
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554
    MaxPB said:

    Indeed, this obsession with the City by some of our resident lefties is a bit sad.

    And leaving the EU might harm the City, but not half as much as a government lead by the likes of Corbyn or Farron. Yet I don't suppose their crocodile tears mean that they are now Tory supporters.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    nunu said:

    BREAKING new CNN/ORC national poll among likely voters: Clinton 47, Trump 42, Johnson 7, Stein 2

    Do Johnson voters favour Clinton or Trump when pressed?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited October 2016
    Sean_F said:

    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
    Demographics isn't a problem. The Republicans are perfectly capable of winning the House, the Senate, and two thirds of State legislatures.

    They just need to choose the right candidate for President.
    they only win them in non Presidential years, and only the congress 'cos of gerrymandering. Outside of presidential years turnout falls off and conservative leaning older voters are more likely to turnout. They won the white vote by 20% in 2012 and still lost. They also win by supressing the vote of poor minority people.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "53% of public demand that a second independence referendum should be held within just THREE YEARS, according to landmark Panelbase poll"

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,631

    I believe that describing us as being governed in a remote , opaque , barely democratic manner is a gross exaggeration .

    You're a superstate supporter, you are in the minority, even among remain voters your views are unpopular. You are trying to dress up remaining in the EU as the status quo when you want us to sign up to the superstate and hand over the keys to Westminster to the likes of Juncker and Schulz. Hopefully once we leave your particular band of delusional fools will leave for Brussels.
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    To move the needle, Whatever wikileaks have it will have to be the biggest scandal ever as it is already factored in that Clintons have more baggage than the lost luggage department at Heathrow airport.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited October 2016
    Sean_F said:

    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
    Demographics isn't a problem. The Republicans are perfectly capable of winning the House, the Senate, and two thirds of State legislatures.
    The Republicans core demographics turn out for all elections. The Democrats core demographics only turn out for Presidential elections. If Hillary wins, the Dems should get some degree of coat-tails effect (especially as most American voters don't split their tickets anymore) that will help them to just win the Senate and make gains in the House, and state legislatures that re voting in November too. Those gains will go away in 2018 for sure. The crucial election for the Democrats is going to be 2020 when the state legislatures that will draw the congressional election boundaries from the 2020 census will be elected.

    They just need to choose the right candidate for President.

    Well in 2020 if they don't win this time the Republicans will definitely try a similar strategy to Trump but hopefully a non-crazy candidate. But could a mainstream Republican convince those energized by Trump that they're the real deal?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I am the only PBer to own a chip wafer? :)

    I visited the fab lab at University before I started there, for a tour.

    The million dollar wafer stepper was not working that day. The rubber band had snapped...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    BREAKING new CNN/ORC national poll among likely voters: Clinton 47, Trump 42, Johnson 7, Stein 2

    Do Johnson voters favour Clinton or Trump when pressed?
    My guess is that they go Clinton.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    To move the needle, Whatever wikileaks have it will have to be the biggest scandal ever as it is already factored in that Clintons have more baggage than the lost luggage department at Heathrow airport.

    A sizeable chunk of Trump's supporters already believe the Clintons have links with organised crime and dozens of unexplained deaths. Wikileaks better have a picture of 16 year old Hilary holding a rifle on the grassy knoll at Dealey Plaza.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    MaxPB said:

    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:

    SeanT said:

    Quite startling. Ms May doesn't especially care about the City, the government thinks only "a few hundred" City jobs will go to the EU after Brexit

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-03/may-said-to-downgrade-city-in-brexit-shock-for-financial-sector

    Hard to know how much all of this is maneuvers, and how much is genuine opinion, and intent.

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.
    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.
    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.
    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.
    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .
    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.


    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .
    Why do you hate democracy and self government?
    I don't . Why do you hate people having jobs ?
    I don't. I'm not arguing for people to not have jobs. You are arguing against democracy and self government.
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    Apologies if already posted (my jnternet is very patchy) but a second polling company puts Montebourg in a fifty fifty race with Hollande for the Socialist nomination. Quite startling, given Hollande is the sitting President, regardless of his polling numbers. My personal view is that between now and the primary in January, Hollande will edge out Montebourg, whose chance of the nomination I would rate at 33% and chance of the Presidency at 3% or so.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    nunu said:

    Sean_F said:

    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    nunu said:

    Seems Clintons trap,in the debate regarding the former Miss. Universe is working with a good 5 point lead in Florida, gaining a huge lead with both women and hispanics. Trump is actually leading there with college educated whites now should be woriing for Clinton if we see that in other states especially pennselvania which is more educated than Ohio.

    Btw he is leading in this Florida poll with non college educated whites by THIRTY FOUR POINTS! and in North Carolina by 53! wtf and still behind, he should be putting all his efforts from now to election day on the 47 million unregistered white voters, thats all.

    It doesn't matter, although Hillary is the Cruella De Vil of politics, Trump is far worse.

    Everytime Trump is about to take the lead he does something to demolish himself.

    Trump may not want to be painted as the worst loser in History, but he is not doing what it takes to win: sticking to a script, preparing for debates and selfcensorship on Twitter.
    what these polls really show is the Republicans are facing a demographic nightmare, Ohio can trend towards them and they might make it a safe state but it matters not one jot if N.Carolina which is now less than 60% white and increasingly educated sees them as extreme same goes for Florida, Virginia, Colorado(which has a 11 point lead for Clinton in one poll taoday) and even Pennselvania which is ten points more educated then Ohio .

    They need to sort out this issue after November or cease as a national party. The thing is they had an inquiry into this in 2012 which said they needed to reach out to HIspanics and what did they do ? Double down. Morons.
    Demographics isn't a problem. The Republicans are perfectly capable of winning the House, the Senate, and two thirds of State legislatures.

    They just need to choose the right candidate for President.
    they only win them in non Presidential years, and only the congress 'cos of gerrymandering. Outside of presidential years turnout falls off and conservative leaning older voters are more likely to turnout. They won the white vote by 20% in 2012 and still lost.
    The House would be won by Republicans under any set of impartial boundaries, except in a year like 2008, when the Democrats had a big lead. The Democrats' problem is they pile up too many votes in big cities, and the law requires the creation of majority/minority districts which result in too many Democratic voters being put together. The Republicans may well hold the Senate this year, and have a blow out in 2018, when 24 Democrats are up for election.
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    NoEasyDayNoEasyDay Posts: 454
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    murali_s said:

    Probably a question of not having favours to give rather than not being willing to extend those favours. The single market, which is all the City cares about, isn't in her gift. Prominent car manufacturers can be bribed with subsidies.

    I was more intrigued by the notion that HMG thinks "only a few hundred City jobs" will quit London post Brexit.

    I try to be optimistic on the economic effects of Brexit, but I still believe the City will lose thousands of workers. Maybe tens of thousands. It's painfully inevitable.

    Hundreds is probably a bit low, but low thousand is my personal feeling, and even then I think new markets might mean jobs growth over the long term. One thing I have learned is that uncertainty nearly always means hiring, at least in the short term, after that who really know. Someone said that there is no long term, just a whole bunch if short terms put together.

    If it's just a few thousand, and if we can get free trade in goods (surely do-able, benefits all) then I will think that's a nice, clean Brexit, in the circs.

    and if it is 10s of thousands and no free trade in goods you will still manage to justify to yourself that it is a price worth paying by others for your Brexit reasons .

    Well, yes, dumbkopf. I've already told you, I believe short-term economic pain is worth it for the political benefit of self-governance, and a return to democracy. I accept we will take a hit.

    I hope that, independent, we will grow FASTER in the long term. And, as a patriotic Brit, I clearly hope that the initial pain will be minimal.




    Well we can all patriotically fly the Union Jacks in our huts knowing that we'll be significantly poorer for the rest of our lives. A price worth paying? Maybe for fools like you...

    Your patriotic bluster about sovereignty and self-governance will mean nothing in depressed economic times. Where I work I've been told tough decisions will be made in context with Brexit - job losses are expected. Time will tell as ever but the future is far from rosy...

    I don't know why you feel the need to exaggerate. The UK is a prosperous country and will remain a prosperous country. No one's going to be living in mud huts.

    The remoaners assured us that should it be a vote for leave we would immediately be visited by the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Now that has happened it'll be long term. Iam sure when that doesnt happen either they'll claim it'll be in the afterlife.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806



    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .

    Crap! Vanilla swallowed my comment. so repeat.

    There's no point going around the houses each night on PB about what we personally think about Brexit. The decision has been made and it's going ahead. Some of us voted Leave because we thought it was time to take back sovereignty and Brexit would have a beneficial to neutral effect on the economy etc. Others voted Remain because we think it's good to work with other countries for a common purpose and Brexit would damage those prospects.

    The only interesting point is that it demonstrates a divide that carries over to society at large. There is no consensus.


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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    Essexit said:


    I disagree with your assertion that the EU makes us better off, but let's for the sake of argument assume you're right. Is a bit more material wealth worthwhile compensation for being governed in a remote, opaque, barely democratic manner?

    I believe that describing us as being governed in a remote , opaque , barely democratic manner is a gross exaggeration .
    Did you vote for Jean-Claude Juncker?
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    BREAKING new CNN/ORC national poll among likely voters: Clinton 47, Trump 42, Johnson 7, Stein 2

    Do Johnson voters favour Clinton or Trump when pressed?
    My guess is that they go Clinton.
    yes both are going for Clinton when pressed.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    I am fascinated by the movements of the prices of the possible replacement candidates. As Clinton's odds are shortening, so are Sanders's! Betfair midprices:

    Clinton 1.385
    Sanders 125
    Biden 180
    Kaine 585

    Trump 4.05
    Ryan 265
    Pence 730

    Implied probability of a winner who is neither Clinton nor Trump: 3.1%. I wonder what this will be after tomorrow's Wikipedia event and then the vice-presidential debate. Sanders may well reappear on Michael Dent's graph here.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,806
    nunu said:

    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    nunu said:

    BREAKING new CNN/ORC national poll among likely voters: Clinton 47, Trump 42, Johnson 7, Stein 2

    Do Johnson voters favour Clinton or Trump when pressed?
    My guess is that they go Clinton.
    yes both are going for Clinton when pressed.
    As David Frum said, "Hillary Haters for Clinton" is the last demographic to declare. These are people who have been banging on about how much they despise Hillary Clinton who now urge a vote for her to save America from Trump. I suspect he is in that group*.

    * If he has a vote. I think he's originally Canadian.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Fascinating vox pops at Trump rally - stick with it

    https://t.co/JH0zt5skJN
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Dromedary said:

    I am fascinated by the movements of the prices of the possible replacement candidates. As Clinton's odds are shortening, so are Sanders's! Betfair midprices:

    Clinton 1.385
    Sanders 125
    Biden 180
    Kaine 585

    Trump 4.05
    Ryan 265
    Pence 730

    Implied probability of a winner who is neither Clinton nor Trump: 3.1%. I wonder what this will be after tomorrow's Wikipedia event and then the vice-presidential debate. Sanders may well reappear on Michael Dent's graph here.

    I'm fascinated as to how the betting markets always have sure losers so high, they had Jeb, Rubio, Owen Smith, now Trump at levels that are sky high compared with reality.

    I never gave Trump more than a 10% chance since the conventions, which is about the same I gave Owen Smith, yet he is still at 24% on Betfair even in the face of certain doom.
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    corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    Essexit said:

    Essexit said:


    I disagree with your assertion that the EU makes us better off, but let's for the sake of argument assume you're right. Is a bit more material wealth worthwhile compensation for being governed in a remote, opaque, barely democratic manner?

    I believe that describing us as being governed in a remote , opaque , barely democratic manner is a gross exaggeration .
    Did you vote for Jean-Claude Juncker?
    Did you vote for Theresa May?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    1K+ Illegal Voters in 8 Virginia Localities: Report finds evidence of widespread voter fraud in crucial swing state: https://t.co/DaIE363Ah0
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PlatoSaid said:

    Fascinating vox pops at Trump rally - stick with it

    https://t.co/JH0zt5skJN

    Yeah vox pops at a Trump rally are as accurate as vox pops at a Corbyn rally.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005
    Speedy said:

    Dromedary said:

    I am fascinated by the movements of the prices of the possible replacement candidates. As Clinton's odds are shortening, so are Sanders's! Betfair midprices:

    Clinton 1.385
    Sanders 125
    Biden 180
    Kaine 585

    Trump 4.05
    Ryan 265
    Pence 730

    Implied probability of a winner who is neither Clinton nor Trump: 3.1%. I wonder what this will be after tomorrow's Wikipedia event and then the vice-presidential debate. Sanders may well reappear on Michael Dent's graph here.

    I'm fascinated as to how the betting markets always have sure losers so high, they had Jeb, Rubio, Owen Smith, now Trump at levels that are sky high compared with reality.

    I never gave Trump more than a 10% chance since the conventions, which is about the same I gave Owen Smith, yet he is still at 24% on Betfair even in the face of certain doom.
    Trump's chance is much higher than 10%.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    MaxPB said:

    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    I find it very amusing, and the idea that the public will care if "bankers" get in the neck is even funnier.
    Indeed, this obsession with the City by some of our resident lefties is a bit sad. I can understand the likes of Richard Nabavi and TOPPING being worried about its future (though I think they worry too much) but when I see a known lefty tell me about how awful all the job losses are going to be when just last year they were revelling in City job losses to Frankfurt or Paris as some kind of payback for the previous recession. One in which the City, as most people know it, had very little responsibility since it was ordinary retail banks lending money to people who were unsuitable that broke RBS, HBOS and Northern Rock.
    Well said, Mr. Max
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited October 2016
    To be a pedant, Mephistopheles Roger Stone didn't quite say the revelation would happen on Wednesday. I interpreted his tweet as meaning that because of the revelation - now likely to come on Tuesday, tomorrow, in Julian Assange's speech to the Wikileaks 10th anniversary meeting in Berlin - Clinton will be finished by Wednesday.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,162
    Speedy said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Fascinating vox pops at Trump rally - stick with it

    https://t.co/JH0zt5skJN

    Yeah vox pops at a Trump rally are as accurate as vox pops at a Corbyn rally.
    The difference is that you will find absolutely nobody at a Corbyn rally who will say they used to be a Tory and were converted to Corbyn.

    Of course it's purely anecdotal, but those people to represent a real (dare I say Brexit-like?) movement.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099

    Apologies if already posted (my jnternet is very patchy) but a second polling company puts Montebourg in a fifty fifty race with Hollande for the Socialist nomination. Quite startling, given Hollande is the sitting President, regardless of his polling numbers. My personal view is that between now and the primary in January, Hollande will edge out Montebourg, whose chance of the nomination I would rate at 33% and chance of the Presidency at 3% or so.

    If Macron runs as an Independent, and Sarkozy is the Les Republicains candidate, then Hollande is likely to end up in SIXTH position, behind:

    Le Pen
    Sarkozy
    Bayrou
    Melechon
    and
    Macron

    Could this be a new record?

    Personal view: if Juppe is the Les Republicains candidate (and the polls give him a big second round lead over Sarkozy in the primary), then neither Macron nor Bayrou will run. Juppe will end up leading Le Pen by 4-5% in the first round and will walk the second. If Sarkozy edges out Juppe, then there could be three or four candidates in the mid to high teens duking it out for second place. Sarkozy has the edge... but only just.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,005

    MaxPB said:

    glw said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's heartening to see so many lefties care about City jobs and the prosperity of bankers lately. Why just a few months ago these same people were decrying us all as thieves and spivs. Amazing how much they are willing to give at the altar of the EU.

    I find it very amusing, and the idea that the public will care if "bankers" get in the neck is even funnier.
    Indeed, this obsession with the City by some of our resident lefties is a bit sad. I can understand the likes of Richard Nabavi and TOPPING being worried about its future (though I think they worry too much) but when I see a known lefty tell me about how awful all the job losses are going to be when just last year they were revelling in City job losses to Frankfurt or Paris as some kind of payback for the previous recession. One in which the City, as most people know it, had very little responsibility since it was ordinary retail banks lending money to people who were unsuitable that broke RBS, HBOS and Northern Rock.
    Well said, Mr. Max
    Perhaps lefties have learned to care about bankers, after all.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    Dromedary said:

    I am fascinated by the movements of the prices of the possible replacement candidates. As Clinton's odds are shortening, so are Sanders's! Betfair midprices:

    Clinton 1.385
    Sanders 125
    Biden 180
    Kaine 585

    Trump 4.05
    Ryan 265
    Pence 730

    Implied probability of a winner who is neither Clinton nor Trump: 3.1%. I wonder what this will be after tomorrow's Wikipedia event and then the vice-presidential debate. Sanders may well reappear on Michael Dent's graph here.

    I'm fascinated as to how the betting markets always have sure losers so high, they had Jeb, Rubio, Owen Smith, now Trump at levels that are sky high compared with reality.

    I never gave Trump more than a 10% chance since the conventions, which is about the same I gave Owen Smith, yet he is still at 24% on Betfair even in the face of certain doom.
    Trump's chance is much higher than 10%.
    He's one major coughing fit from the Presidency.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    FF43 said:



    Clearly with you there is no price too high to pay in damage to the economy of this country and well being of its people as long as you get your Brexit .

    Crap! Vanilla swallowed my comment. so repeat.

    There's no point going around the houses each night on PB about what we personally think about Brexit. The decision has been made and it's going ahead. Some of us voted Leave because we thought it was time to take back sovereignty and Brexit would have a beneficial to neutral effect on the economy etc. Others voted Remain because we think it's good to work with other countries for a common purpose and Brexit would damage those prospects.

    The only interesting point is that it demonstrates a divide that carries over to society at large. There is no consensus.


    The only solution is for pb's Remainers to take a vow, and agree never to comment on Brexit ever again, not on its motives or meaning, not on its consequences or ramifications - nothing. They have to completely shut up.

    Zip it. No one want to hear what they have to say, and everything they say is trite and repetitive, if not treacherous and criminal.

    If the Remainers agree to stay silent for ever after, on this subject, in all aspects and in all forms, to the end of time, then peace can be restored. Otherwise Mike will just have to ban them all forever.
    Some respect for democracy. It is perfectly legitimate for those on the losing side of a political argument to make the winners eat their words. Just think of the Iraq war for example.

    Sadly Mr Hunt has said no more money for the NHS. That was just Leaver spin by Johnson. Just as well such a scoundrel has nothing to do with negotiating Brexit...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3817748/Jeremy-Hunt-Let-s-replace-foreign-doctors-homegrown-talent-Post-Brexit-Britain.html

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    Why do some people love the EU so much? What itch does it scratch? You like the flag? The anthem?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @murali_s


    Your patriotic bluster about sovereignty and self-governance will mean nothing in depressed economic times. Where I work I've been told tough decisions will be made in context with Brexit - job losses are expected. '


    According to Nick Clegg 3 million job losses are expected ,but could be EU patriotic bluster.

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