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    Mr. Doethur, people knock Grammar Nazis, but don't forget we saved the internet in the war against the l33t-speakers.

    On-topic: May's strategy of just standing there whilst her opponents implode worked well for her leadership election, and may do likewise at the General Election.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    I think it would take a Greek-type economic collapse (GDP down by 30%, 23% unemployment) to give Corbyn a serious chance of winning. A severe recession wouldn't be enough.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited September 2016
    There is a sense of depression amongst most of the broadcast media. Is this just a consequence of their favourite party being in a deep dark hole?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited September 2016

    ydoethur said:

    On Sky, who is the Corbyn defender? Conrad someone?

    I know of two Conrads. One is Black and one is Veidt.
    Seems he writes for the Morning Star. Bit of a debate with Boulton as to whether this is a communist paper or not.
    Conrad Black - as in the infamous Conrad Black?

    Black v. United States, 561 U.S. 465 (2011), is a white-collar criminal law case decided by the United States Supreme Court dealing with businessman Conrad ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_v._United_States
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    Not long now – will they be singing in the valleys, or rioting in Islington?

    A riot in Islington? That only happens if the quinoa runs out at the local deli.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242

    ydoethur said:

    I remember last year, the New Statesman cautioned against this palaver because Corbyn would just win again leaving Labour looking, in the words of an unidentifiable frontbencher 'not only unelectable but fucking stupid'.

    That remark is looking truly prescient this morning. It's Labour that have 15 minutes to live now.

    And this defender of Corbyn could not be talking more nonsense if he were smoking weed while being interviewed.

    Bet he has never knocked on a door to canvas a real voter in his life.
    His nose is unbroken which would support your theory.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I remember last year, the New Statesman cautioned against this palaver because Corbyn would just win again leaving Labour looking, in the words of an unidentifiable frontbencher 'not only unelectable but fucking stupid'.

    That remark is looking truly prescient this morning. It's Labour that have 15 minutes to live now.

    And this defender of Corbyn could not be talking more nonsense if he were smoking weed while being interviewed.

    Bet he has never knocked on a door to canvas a real voter in his life.
    His nose is unbroken which would support your theory.
    :lol:

    Funny but cruel.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    Five minutes...
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    GIN1138 said:

    Downing Street will be punching the air shortly according to former Labour aide on Sky.

    Tessa needs to come up with a way to "engineer" an election next Spring now...
    Boris comes back with single market and no free movement of people.
    A quick deal like that would be smart move by the EU to help the EU economies. Unfortunately helping their economies is not what the EU sees as a priority.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Sky reporter suggesting rapprochement between moderates and Corbyn, and moderates playing the long game. This seems, however, to be code for giving up and allowing Labour to be slaughtered at the polls, in the hope that the membership will come to its senses.

    The situation of the PLP is desperate. Seems quite likely that such a scenario would see many of them out of their jobs, and the rump saddled with Corbyn (or somebody else who's just as radical) by the membership post-2020. Lengthy past experience - of Corbyn himself, for starters - suggests that the far Left does not budge and does not significantly modify its positions over time.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    So, just over half a million votes. That means 300k-200k would be 60-40, 350k-150k is 70-30, as the numbers are read out.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    ydoethur said:

    Indigo said:

    ydoethur said:

    On Sky, who is the Corbyn defender? Conrad someone?

    I know of two Conrads. One is Black and one is Veidt.
    "Ven ze lighthaus shines agross ze bay" !
    Is that from Conrad Veidt's performance in the Spy in Black?

    EDIT - Ok, I'll stop the puns now, as it seems nobody else is getting what I thought was a very clever pun.
    Waycist.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    CD13 said:

    Mr G,

    "Think he is more ginger beer , will surely be going POP today."

    Surely not a homophobic comment? That's the trouble with being right-on, you must have to censor your own words. But I'm not accusing you of that crime, sir.

    Edit: For information ... ""Top Gear" presenter Jeremy Clarkson was criticised by the media watchdog on Monday for describing a car as "very ginger beer", rhyming slang for "queer".

    In a written ruling, Ofcom said the phrase could offend homosexuals and should not have been used."

    CD13, How that could be construed I have no idea and was most certainly not intended, far too comlex and sneaky for me. It was just a simple comment that he would more likely be lemonade than beer and his bubble will be burst today.
    I am of an age where I may use some injudicious words in this mamby pamby "I am offended" world but I will not use PC crap or be scared to voice my opinions. I have no beef with any sensible person going about their life as they wish as long as they are not harming anyone else or trying to force their values on myself. Good manners and respect for individuals is my motto. Sadly there are few who follow this nowadays.
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    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 5m5 minutes ago
    Labour will publish regional breakdown of the result. Corbyn source says big movement from Burnham supporters in north west.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited September 2016
    ydoethur said:

    Indigo said:

    ydoethur said:

    On Sky, who is the Corbyn defender? Conrad someone?

    I know of two Conrads. One is Black and one is Veidt.
    "Ven ze lighthaus shines agross ze bay" !
    Is that from Conrad Veidt's performance in the Spy in Black?

    EDIT - Ok, I'll stop the puns now, as it seems nobody else is getting what I thought was a very clever pun.
    Its from "F.P.1 Doesn't Respond (1933)" which I am happy to say I am not old enough to remember, but it was played extensively on Terry Wogan's radio show in the 1970's.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By2GcMM48WA

    Edit: Yes I see the pun, nice one ;)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    edited September 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Five minutes...

    Mind you I remember when we went through this fiasco last year that that strange little man who run's the Labour Party droned on for about two hours before we got to the winner so it might be closer to 2pm before we know what Jezza's done!
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974

    rcs1000 said:

    IanB2 said:

    This is worth a read, particularly for any Tories about to open the champagne a bit earlier than usual for a weekend:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/23/dont-be-afraid-of-jeremy-corbyn-be-afraid-of-what-comes-after-hi/

    I read that piece the other day. It requires you to imagine yourself living in a parallel universe in which 40% of the electorate in England is ready to embrace radical socialism, if only a sufficiently skilled salesman were available to talk them into it.

    I suppose that you can't completely rule out this prospect, a bit like the fact that you can't absolutely rule out Northern Ireland winning the World Cup at some point during our lifetimes, But I wouldn't stake any money on it. Would you?
    While it's something I absolutely dread, it's entirely possible that we have a major economic problem between now and 2020.

    Imagine, for a second, that we need to close our current account deficit through raising the savings rate. (A balanced current account equates to about an 10% gross savings rate, we're at 3.3%.) Closing that in a two year period would involve a massive recession, with unemployment above 10%, and maybe a 5% contraction in GDP.

    Under those circumstances, could the British people elect Jeremy Corbyn, just as the Greeks elected Tsipras? Yes, they could.

    It scares the living daylights out of me, but it is an entirely possible (if fortunately unlikely) scenario.
    The dire scenario that you envisage is still light years away from the kind of collapse that Greece endured (runs on the banks, general unemployment at over 25%, youth unemployment at over 50%, big cuts to pension entitlements, etc, etc,) and even then the Syriza victory was not exactly overwhelming.

    No significant proportion of the voters who backed Cameron last time is going to defect to Labour under Corbyn, and if the next election is in 2020 it will almost certainly be under the reformed boundaries anyway. I'm as sure as I can be of anything in politics that Labour will lose next time.
    I refer you to the quote I posted down thread :-)

    "In fact, I genuinely think there is more chance of Mary Berry becoming the next James Bond than there is of Jeremy Corbyn walking into Downing Street as our next Prime Minister."


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3804952/Death-Labour-Party-Today-barring-miracle-Corbyn-elected-leader-heralding-end-great-reforming-party-s-killed-hard-Left-Britain-poorer-it.html#ixzz4LA4KJhra
    Statistically impossible.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    PlatoSaid said:

    ydoethur said:

    On Sky, who is the Corbyn defender? Conrad someone?

    I know of two Conrads. One is Black and one is Veidt.
    Seems he writes for the Morning Star. Bit of a debate with Boulton as to whether this is a communist paper or not.
    Conrad Black - as in the infamous Conrad Black?

    Black v. United States, 561 U.S. 465 (2011), is a white-collar criminal law case decided by the United States Supreme Court dealing with businessman Conrad ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_v._United_States
    Yes, although I don't think he wrote for the Morning Star. Although you never know, he did do a lot to discredit capitalism and wealthy elites. He might be a sleeper agent.
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    Sean_F said:

    I think it would take a Greek-type economic collapse (GDP down by 30%, 23% unemployment) to give Corbyn a serious chance of winning. A severe recession wouldn't be enough.

    I don't think that would do it either. Corbyn looks like something out of the 1970s. Tsipras and other successful populist left-wing movements look like something new, and the voters voted for them, not their existing pre-cold-war left-wing parties.
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    Miss Plato, I was chatting with someone about the lack of realism, in a fictional context, in the latest Star Wars film [tiny spoilers after this] when the black protagonist isn't immediately eaten by the not-as-good-as-the-Rancor monster [unlike its other victims].

    I pointed out that a perfectly reasonable explanation was racism on the monster's part. :p
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    GIN1138 said:

    murali_s said:

    GIN1138 said:

    murali_s said:

    The PB Tories and the other right-wing fruitcakes are going to make this place unbearable for the next few hours/days. Sighs...

    Who on Earth do you have in mind?
    Not TSE, RobD, David Herdson, Mr Dancer - these PB Tories have class. It's the head banging right-wing loons that I worry about. They know who they are...
    I think you should name names! :open_mouth:
    Would have sore fingers by the time he was finished
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,336
    62%, according to a leak.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Labour: consigned to the Corbyn of history
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    GIN1138 said:

    Downing Street will be punching the air shortly according to former Labour aide on Sky.

    Tessa needs to come up with a way to "engineer" an election next Spring now...
    Hasn't Corbyn said that he will whip Labour MPs to vote for an election if the question is put?
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    ydoethur said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    ydoethur said:

    On Sky, who is the Corbyn defender? Conrad someone?

    I know of two Conrads. One is Black and one is Veidt.
    Seems he writes for the Morning Star. Bit of a debate with Boulton as to whether this is a communist paper or not.
    Conrad Black - as in the infamous Conrad Black?

    Black v. United States, 561 U.S. 465 (2011), is a white-collar criminal law case decided by the United States Supreme Court dealing with businessman Conrad ...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_v._United_States
    Yes, although I don't think he wrote for the Morning Star. Although you never know, he did do a lot to discredit capitalism and wealthy elites. He might be a sleeper agent.
    He does have a marvellous Mills & Boon/Jilly Cooper sex symbol name though.
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    Is this really happening? Somebody wake me from this nightmare.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    59% in 2015? :open_mouth:
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    62%, according to a leak.


    What do the sprouts say?

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    Closer than expected.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    Is this really happening? Somebody wake me from this nightmare.

    On November 9th?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    Massive beat down. Argclu would have been more competitive IMO.
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    Sean_F said:

    I think it would take a Greek-type economic collapse (GDP down by 30%, 23% unemployment) to give Corbyn a serious chance of winning. A severe recession wouldn't be enough.

    Corbyn winning a general election is not a credible risk.

    A charismatic, snake oil sending corbynite version of Blair succeeding him and winning one sometime in the next decade is a credible risk.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974

    IanB2 said:

    Linking two of today's thread conversations, my partner once told me (on an Austrian holiday) that buying a cuckoo clock would constitute domestic abuse.

    As my kids are now going through the house imitating the clock and driving me mad cuckooing with glee they may have a point....
    PMSL...... Repent at leisure
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Miss Plato, I was chatting with someone about the lack of realism, in a fictional context, in the latest Star Wars film [tiny spoilers after this] when the black protagonist isn't immediately eaten by the not-as-good-as-the-Rancor monster [unlike its other victims].

    I pointed out that a perfectly reasonable explanation was racism on the monster's part. :p

    Having seen thousands of US election tweets in the last few weeks - wow. Free speech over there is yowser. It's so incredibly different to the stuff I see from UK bods.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tautology alert:

    Sky News commentator: "...in this telegenic age, when it's all about soundbites..."
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    Sandpit said:

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    Closer than expected.
    But not nearly so close as was needed.

    The only winner today is Theresa May, whose loyal acolyte has been re-elected.
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    What are they waiting for? Can't even announce a result on time.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Sandpit said:

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    Closer than expected.
    81:19?
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    The Dismal Duo now on stage...
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    The most insincere handshake in recent political history?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Here goes!
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    Owen Smith: worst leadership bid since Meleager. Or Quintillus.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    edited September 2016
    Eyes down - We're off!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Sky well ahead of the BBC
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,007
    edited September 2016
    506 438 eligible votes cast

    Corbyn 313 209 61.8%

    Smith 193 229 38.2%
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Jeremy Corbyn: 313,209

    Owen Smith: 193,229

    654,006 eligible members

    506,438 cast

    1,042 spoilt
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    edited September 2016
    As it's the same result as the YouGov can we take the assumption that pre 2015 Labour members have convincingly turned against Corbyn as likely?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2016
    Corbyn: 313,209 (61.8%)
    Smith: 193,229 (38.2%)
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Yep, 62% for Corbyn.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    JC 313209 61.8%
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    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    Linking two of today's thread conversations, my partner once told me (on an Austrian holiday) that buying a cuckoo clock would constitute domestic abuse.

    As my kids are now going through the house imitating the clock and driving me mad cuckooing with glee they may have a point....
    PMSL...... Repent at leisure
    Cuckoo
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    61% vs 38%. Not an overwhelming win. Almost 4 in 10 against the Leader.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    Barely a move in percentage although I think more votes overall.

    But that only amounts to the electorate in three seats under the new rules.
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Eligible voters:
    654,006

    Votes cast:
    506,438 - approx 77% turnout

    Corbyn:
    313,209 - 61.8%

    Smith:
    193,229 - 38.2%

    Spoilt ballots:
    1,042

    Rumours of bigger win than last time confirmed.
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    Another crap speech on its way.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Well, what a shocker - The Guardian got something right.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited September 2016
    GIN1138 said:

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    59% in 2015? :open_mouth:
    But the 59% in 2015 was in the context of a four way contest. Had preferences been redistributed he would have ended up with 65% or 67% depending on whether the runner -up was Burnham or Cooper. There has then some swing against Corbyn compared with 2015 on a like for like basis.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    BBC's "live" is about a minute behind
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    edited September 2016
    Artist said:

    As it's the same result as the YouGov can we take the assumption that pre 2015 Labour members have convincingly turned against Corbyn as likely?

    The bloke said the split was on the screen, but Sky haven't shown it.

    EDIT: Jezza said he won all parts of the selectorate.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    He has done his tie up.

    However, he thinks he's been leader less than a year.

    It's terrifying how thick he is.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited September 2016
    Tory party bigger than sane Labour party as well on these figures.

    Also, Bath is wonderful. Highly recommended. Stay at the Gainsborough, definitely worth it. Probably the most relaxing place in the world.
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    Artist said:

    As it's the same result as the YouGov can we take the assumption that pre 2015 Labour members have convincingly turned against Corbyn as likely?

    If true that will be most of their real street pounding activists.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,007
    So Corbyn re-elected and fractionally increases the percentage of votes he got from the 59.5% he got last September. Corbyn/McDonnell will now almost certainly be the Labour ticket for PM and Chancellor at the next general election
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    Was out of the park. Missed the surprise (not).

    Congratulations to Jeremy.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Eligible voters:
    654,006

    Votes cast:
    506,438 - approx 77% turnout

    Corbyn:
    313,209 - 61.8%

    Smith:
    193,229 - 38.2%

    Spoilt ballots:
    1,042

    Rumours of bigger win than last time confirmed.

    Not really true though!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282
    Too right "thank you to Owen Smith", who has made Corbyn much safer than he was
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    "had a good summer" Corbyn
    Now a fecking weather commentator
    :smile:
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    HYUFD said:

    So Corbyn re-elected and fractionally increases the percentage of votes he got from the 59.5% he got last September. Corbyn/McDonnell will now almost certainly be the Labour ticket for PM and Chancellor at the next general election

    Yep, unless something black swan happens.
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    IanB2 said:

    Mr. Mark, indeed, though it'd be getting more coverage if a man had done it. It seems a newspaper front page describes her as 'provoked and vulnerable'.

    Right.

    Excuses that would not be accepted if she was a man. Or a Tory.

    It seems some Labour female MPs are getting police protection against constituents, and understandably so. Perhaps she needs police as well, to protect her constituents from her.

    After all, who can tell when she will snap?

    And I don't think she's got kids, or they'd need to be taken off her for their protection.

    (The above are sometimes said about male perpetrators of violence).
    Not an Archers listener, then?
    Sadly not recently. Although I hear Helen Kitchener's got off scot-free, and has been granted custody of the kids.

    Thus somewhat proving my point.

    That entire storyline was so predictable and so utterly BBC. They should have been much more adventurous.
    Titchener.

    You've not listened to a story line and yet you know it's entirely predictable and so utterly BBC? Your critical faculties must be well nigh miraculous.
    I've not listened in the last couple of weeks (last during the trial), but have it on catch-up upstairs (I'm sad enough to listen to it sometimes on podcast when I'm out and about). I've just read that she was granted custody.

    Is that not correct?
    I believe so.

    It's a soap opera, they're not going to spend months building up a character's creepy bastardishness just to end up with a 'on the one hand this, on the other hand that' scenario. Insofar as there are many real life cases resembling the Titchener story, I guess the mother getting custody is probably a realistic outcome.

    I'm sure the utterly predictable and worthy BBC at several points must have addressed the statistically much, much smaller incidence of female on male abuse that seems to preoccupy a certain type of PB male.
    What 'type' is that, pray tell?
    The 'victims of the oppressive, liberal-left gynocracy' type.
    Lol. I'm not sure myself or Mr Dancer could be seen in that light.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    He's starting with a speech of party unity, let's see how long this lasts with his supporters.
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    "had a good summer" Corbyn
    Now a fecking weather commentator
    :smile:

    Like his brother?
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    Pretty much as expected. Good but not great for Corbyn. It will be interesting to see the breakdowns. The anti-Corbyn Labour party is the second biggest political party in the country.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    Sandpit said:

    Guardian: Corbyn by 62%

    Closer than expected.
    LOL, just an ABSOLUTE BULL WHIPPING.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242

    "had a good summer" Corbyn
    Now a fecking weather commentator
    :smile:

    Like his brother?
    They're both in denial about the weather - one meteorologically and one politically.
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    Sandpit said:

    He's starting with a speech of party unity, let's see how long this lasts with his supporters.

    Be interesting to see what code words the moderates come up with in next few hours for 'we are f*****'
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,817
    IanB2 said:

    Too right "thank you to Owen Smith", who has made Corbyn much safer than he was

    To be fair it's thank you to all those members of the Shadow Cabinet who flounced out in a hissy fit after the referendum and then failed to put anyone credible up to run against Jezza!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    This is the most astonishingly unselfaware and dishonest speech since Reagan's claims over Iran Contra.

    I am really embarrassed to think I voted Labour last year.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974

    malcolmg said:

    IanB2 said:

    Linking two of today's thread conversations, my partner once told me (on an Austrian holiday) that buying a cuckoo clock would constitute domestic abuse.

    As my kids are now going through the house imitating the clock and driving me mad cuckooing with glee they may have a point....
    PMSL...... Repent at leisure
    Cuckoo
    LOL
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    Owen Smith: worst leadership bid since Meleager. Or Quintillus.

    That's unfair. Andy Burnham's campaign last year was worse.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    When can we expect the first defections?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    So he says that intimidation and abuse has no part to play in Labour politics. Let's see what that means in practice.
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    As usual, quite good at laying out some of the problems, but no solutions other than platitudes.
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    Mr. F, not sure it was, to be honest.
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    Members: Corbyn 168,216 Smith 116,960
    Registred supporters: Corbyn 84,918 Smith 36,599
    Affiliated supporters: Corbyn 60,075 Smith 39,670

    So Corbyn % ranging from 60% among members and affiliates to 70% among registered supporters.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    How can Corbyn say with a straight face that there are four million children living in poverty in the UK?

    Is poverty now only having an iPhone 6?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    Sandpit said:

    So he says that intimidation and abuse has no part to play in Labour politics. Let's see what that means in practice.

    It's Newspeak. Racism, intimidation, threats of violence etc no longer count as abuse. Saying that you will vote for someone sane is.
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    61% vs 38%. Not an overwhelming win. Almost 4 in 10 against the Leader.

    It's more than Blair won in 1994.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    edited September 2016
    The Re-Education Programme starts on Saturday, Comrade.

    Be there. Names will be taken....
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    Sandpit said:

    So he says that intimidation and abuse has no part to play in Labour politics. Let's see what that means in practice.

    Nothing.
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    DadgeDadge Posts: 2,038
    Well, the PLP has tried this method of getting rid of JC and failed - what now? Some of them dislike him and his leadership so much that it's hard to believe they'll stomach being under him any longer, so surely a few of them will now resign the whip?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,282

    Pretty much as expected. Good but not great for Corbyn. It will be interesting to see the breakdowns. The anti-Corbyn Labour party is the second biggest political party in the country.

    Not great? How often nowadays is any election won by pretty much two to one?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    Sandpit said:

    So he says that intimidation and abuse has no part to play in Labour politics. Let's see what that means in practice.

    He should have those cowardly MP's on the carpet first thing Monday morning and read them the riot act. 100% effort or they are toast , that will focus their miserable thoughts.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,242
    Labour is a party brimming full of ideas and talent.

    More Newspeak or does he really believe that Thornberry and Burnham are talented?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,007
    Sean_F said:

    Owen Smith: worst leadership bid since Meleager. Or Quintillus.

    That's unfair. Andy Burnham's campaign last year was worse.
    Though Burnham came second, Smith came last
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Pretty much as expected. Good but not great for Corbyn. It will be interesting to see the breakdowns. The anti-Corbyn Labour party is the second biggest political party in the country.

    Actually it's probably not, Tory membership has surged to ~200k since Theresa became leader, plus some proportion of Smith's voters will have been registered supporters rather than members.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,974
    DeClare said:

    When can we expect the first defections?

    You missed an A out in that last word, will be some worried no marks this weekend, wondering when they walk the plank.
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