No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
The one thing I can't understand is how a convicted fraudster and career politician can be so popular ?
Surely Sarkozi can say that voting for a convict to be french president is beneath the dignity of the office ?
Ms. Apocalypse, about a decade (and more...) ago I was a frequent visitor to a certain part of the interweb where estimates of my age were typically 40s and 50s (twice and more how old I was at the time). It can be hard to tell how old people are online.
Mr. Eagles, for example, has a grasp of classical history not unlike a seven year old [in need of private tuition].
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
Mr. Nunu, there was a piece for the Sunday Politics from a Remain campaigner who said that, early on, they wanted a list of five good things about the EU. And they couldn't think of any.
Without intending to be unkind to anyone I'm about to cite - these were the impressions they left me with.
@foxinsoxuk - my NHS paperwork will be harder if we Brexit.
@SouthamObserver - my sales conferences will be a bit more difficult to organise if we Brexit, but I manage fine outside the EU
@TOPPING - my City investments may be adversely effected and I'm really well off BTW
@Richard_Nabavi - I'm far too clever for all this and agree with Topping
@felix - I'm an expat living in Spain and you should do what suits me personally - and you're all stupid if you don't
@edmundintokyo - I've lived in Tokyo for a very long time, and talk a lot about ideal theoretical models re immigration and liberal politics. I have no idea what living in the UK is like bar a flying visit home.
I didn't see many convincing reasons to Remain in the EU in their posts.
I see an awful lot of bottled up hate you got there. Great to see you getting rid of it by implying a whole load of us said things we didn't.. Has your application for Britain first gone through yet?
Mr. Felix, have a re-read of Miss Plato's post. What she said was "These are the impressions I got". Blaming the receiver for not understanding the message you sent is crackers. Getting feedback is healthy, one can of course choose to ignore it or even lash out at the giver (feedback is a gift), but only a complete knob would do that.
Oh I understand exactly what she was doing. Ms Plato enjoys being snide and unpleasant about other posters but dislikes intensely responses in kind. Her impressions are of zero interest to me as I have a clear understanding of where she is coming from. But let me thank you for being so charming in your lecture. I hope you find my feedback helpful.
I do indeed, Mr. Felix. I always take note of feedback.
I do enjoy Mr Felix posts - and his insults. I never return them because I don't think they're interesting enough to bother with. For a man who says he was a Headmaster before retiring, I'm just glad he wasn't mine.
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
When will we start showing concern for those into bestiality? A minority that must presumably feel oppressed and villified?
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
As I invited @The_Apocalypse to play the identity politics game with me - and she decided not to.
It's beyond silly Venn diagram stuff in electoral terms - and totally alienating. I don't want unisex public loos beyond disabled lockable ones. Being gawped at/molested by creepy men or hen party women is a basic commonly understood social norm.
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
I am a bit extraneous, we already have plenty of cynics round here
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
I object to the term bestiality preferring the description Zoophilia instead - Don’t oppress me.
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
When will we start showing concern for those into bestiality? A minority that must presumably feel oppressed and villified?
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
When will we start showing concern for those into bestiality? A minority that must presumably feel oppressed and villified?
I fondly recall a Guardian article on Specisism - and the illiberal hate against dolphin sex.
We now have a three way fight between No.10 (Larry), the FCO (Palmerston) and HM Treasury (Gladstone). How apposite for the policy battles yet to come.
P.S. Does anyone know TM's attitude to moggies? Churchill was, famously, a great fan. Cameron if he had released that picture of working with Larry on his lap might have saved the Referendum. But what about the current PM?
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
I object to the term bestiality preferring the description Zoophilia instead - Don’t oppress me.
I'd offer U rated cat videos - alas I've been asked not to for several years, and being an obedient soul - I don't.
For those who do like them - check me out on Twitter
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
As I invited @The_Apocalypse to play the identity politics game with me - and she decided not to.
It's beyond silly Venn diagram stuff in electoral terms - and totally alienating. I don't want unisex public loos beyond disabled lockable ones. Being gawped at/molested by creepy men or hen party women is a basic commonly understood social norm.
Stone me for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
But this is the most important thing in British politics to these people.
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
The one thing I can't understand is how a convicted fraudster and career politician can be so popular ?
Surely Sarkozi can say that voting for a convict to be french president is beneath the dignity of the office ?
Indeed and he may well do so. I would also not rule out the Socialists dumping Hollande for Macron or Balls if his ratings continue to be poor
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
I am a bit extraneous, we already have plenty of cynics round here
Gretna Wedding or not Burnham would still have been a far better leader than Corbyn
Not sure about that, the Suffolk Pennsylvania poll yesterday gave Kaine higher net favourable than Pence not that most of those asked had much of an opinion about Pence at all. Trump's bounce came from his speech, not Pence. With the election so tight Hillary clearly needs Virginia in her column which was shy she sensibly picked Kaine. Warren's Massachusetts will vote for her regardless
Mr. Nunu, there was a piece for the Sunday Politics from a Remain campaigner who said that, early on, they wanted a list of five good things about the EU. And they couldn't think of any.
Without intending to be unkind to anyone I'm about to cite - these were the impressions they left me with.
@foxinsoxuk - my NHS paperwork will be harder if we Brexit.
@SouthamObserver - my sales conferences will be a bit more difficult to organise if we Brexit, but I manage fine outside the EU
@TOPPING - my City investments may be adversely effected and I'm really well off BTW
@Richard_Nabavi - I'm far too clever for all this and agree with Topping
@felix - I'm an expat living in Spain and you should do what suits me personally - and you're all stupid if you don't
@edmundintokyo - I've lived in Tokyo for a very long time, and talk a lot about ideal theoretical models re immigration and liberal politics. I have no idea what living in the UK is like bar a flying visit home.
I didn't see many convincing reasons to Remain in the EU in their posts.
.....HMtQ got it right, again. When she asked the great and the good for three good reasons to stay in what she got back was, "Er...". The same answer she got when she asked after the financial crash, "Why didn't anyone see this coming?"..... .
I wonder how the regular meetings that the PM has with the Queen go whenever she asks about various legislation that she is asked to rubber stamp and she is told "its from the EU and not mine"? Did she come to the conclusion that her Prime Ministers were becoming increasingly irrelevant?
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
I am a bit extraneous, we already have plenty of cynics round here
Gretna Wedding or not Burnham would still have been a far better leader than Corbyn
What talent are you thinking of? Bar supporting not Liverpool FC, is there any position he's stuck to?
@PlatoSaid So because transgender people facing discrimination only effects a small part of the population we shouldn't care about it? Racism may well only affect a minority of the population too, but we should still care about it. And tbh Plato, I couldn't care less whether I impress you or not. And you are one to talk when it comes to being partisan and biased, I have to say.
It seems everybody and their dog bleats about discrimination nowadays , what happened to the good old world where you had only women and men. Now you seem to have all sorts of halfwits offended about evberything , get on with their lives and leave other people to do the same. Useless name tags and bollox is what I say.
The fact that so many on the Left see things like Transgenderism as the number one political issue facing Britain shows why they have such a long path back to power.
I object to the term bestiality preferring the description Zoophilia instead - Don’t oppress me.
I apologise for mentioning bestiality and dragging down the level of converstaion on here. In the old days I would just say that I am going out for a fag....
Cathy Newman @cathynewman Loads on tonight's @Channel4News: #HinkleyC #Hillary #Aleppo & an exclusive with Andy Coulson on #Brexit - join me in a few minutes
We now have a three way fight between No.10 (Larry), the FCO (Palmerston) and HM Treasury (Gladstone). How apposite for the policy battles yet to come.
P.S. Does anyone know TM's attitude to moggies? Churchill was, famously, a great fan. Cameron if he had released that picture of working with Larry on his lap might have saved the Referendum. But what about the current PM?
The MoD requires a kitty called Kitchener.
Alanbrooke shurely?
No, No, Mr. Charles. To start with Miss Plato's idea of a MoD cat is misguided. The MoD in on the wrong side of Whitehall and the wretched cat would probably get run over as it crossed to join in the cat-fight in and around Downing Street. I have no confidence that the Met Police would stop the traffic for him/her.
Secondly it is long past time that the MoD was disbanded. It has been a ghastly failure. Much better to have The admiralty back in its old quarters, with a cat called Nelson, and the army back at Horse Guards with its own moggie. Both new cats would be on the right side of the road to join in the fun.
As to the Army cat's name. Well in accordance with recent precedent one of the great Victorian generals would be appropriate and there are lots to choose from. My own choice would be Napier but you could just as easily go for Campbell, Hope Grant, Sale, Havelock, Gough (have to find a mad Irish cat for that one) and goodness knows how many others.
No guarantee at all Juppe will be the candidate, the LR primary will be determined on a much lower turnout than the presidential election itself mainly by right-wing voters, they may well prefer Sarkozy, especially in the current climate with his tough talking anti terror message. Even if Juppe does win the nomination Sarkozy is enough of a narcissist and egomaniac to run in round one against him anyway
"HYUFD has spoken: Juppe obviously has it in the bag."
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
I am a bit extraneous, we already have plenty of cynics round here
Gretna Wedding or not Burnham would still have been a far better leader than Corbyn
What talent are you thinking of? Bar supporting not Liverpool FC, is there any position he's stuck to?
Well unlike Corbyn he is not sticking to Marxism which is an improvement!
Democratic appeal. On an American forum I read which has a liberal bent the initial reaction to Kaine's selection was one of apathy at best and disdain at worst.
By the end of the convention it was universal admiration and praise.
He might well turn out to be the mirror image of Sarah Palin.
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Surely Sarkozi can say that voting for a convict to be french president is beneath the dignity of the office ?
I'm hoping for Andy Burnham to declare and a Gretna wedding. You're the sort of cynic we don't need round here
It's beyond silly Venn diagram stuff in electoral terms - and totally alienating. I don't want unisex public loos beyond disabled lockable ones. Being gawped at/molested by creepy men or hen party women is a basic commonly understood social norm.
Stone me for pointing out the bleeding obvious.
I am a bit extraneous, we already have plenty of cynics round here
Whatever that quote came from, it wasn't mine!
"The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong" https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me
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Gretna Wedding or not Burnham would still have been a far better leader than Corbyn
Cathy Newman @cathynewman
Loads on tonight's @Channel4News: #HinkleyC #Hillary #Aleppo & an exclusive with Andy Coulson on #Brexit - join me in a few minutes
Secondly it is long past time that the MoD was disbanded. It has been a ghastly failure. Much better to have The admiralty back in its old quarters, with a cat called Nelson, and the army back at Horse Guards with its own moggie. Both new cats would be on the right side of the road to join in the fun.
As to the Army cat's name. Well in accordance with recent precedent one of the great Victorian generals would be appropriate and there are lots to choose from. My own choice would be Napier but you could just as easily go for Campbell, Hope Grant, Sale, Havelock, Gough (have to find a mad Irish cat for that one) and goodness knows how many others.
By the end of the convention it was universal admiration and praise.
He might well turn out to be the mirror image of Sarah Palin.