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  • MontyHallMontyHall Posts: 226
    TGOHF said:

    MontyHall said:

    TGOHF said:

    O/T cricket betting - Oz at 4.4 looks outstanding value

    They are 70/3 needing another 198 to beat Lanka with over a day left.

    One thing to bear in mind, if you didn't already, is that the day's play has ended very early each day so far.

    Barely got past tea I think
    Still a day to go though.. draw is a factor but Oz will go for the win given a chance.
    Righto. Good luck!
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    EDF share price up 8.5% on the possibility the UK will not go ahead with Hinkley Point.

    Stopping the project would be a win win for the UK and for EDF.

    Plus an example where economic interests coincide with environmental interests (nuclear waste avoided).
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    :smiley:

    Buzzfeed
    TFW you want to hit a balloon too and then you realize you’re standing next to Hillary Clinton #DemsInPhilly https://t.co/zd59DUFxzK
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723
    PlatoSaid said:

    :smiley:

    Buzzfeed
    TFW you want to hit a balloon too and then you realize you’re standing next to Hillary Clinton #DemsInPhilly https://t.co/zd59DUFxzK

    That's fantastic. That sort of thing makes the rest of the dull political theatre worth it for that genuine human moment.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,706
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    But so are the economics of nuclear. As engineers note, there are so many unforeseen possibilities for it all going wrong that it's rather like IT software; no one matter what care one takes, there will be bugs, and some consequences might be grave.

    Every 'event', like Fukushima, causes the economics to get worse. Fukushima was believed to be 'impossible' until Mar. 2011. (Fraud didn't help.)

    A serious accident in Europe would probably bankrupt EDF. It's already on the edge, with two non-working EPRs in France and Finland. Rather than the ridiculous price, May could be worried that EDF might run out of money halfway through construction or encounter new problems, different from those in France and Finland.

    Crazy waste of money. There've been better options for years, fortunately many European countries are pursuing them.
    No. I am an engineer. We've had nuclear for decades perfectly safely in the UK, and France is uber-nuclear.

    It's fine. The Japanese massively screwed up their safety regime at Fukushima.
    Does EDF have a working EPR yet? That would be my biggest concern....
    As far as I'm aware UK regulators are due to complete their generic design assessments of it by March next year, and they (EDF) will be ready for orders of it from 2020.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Mrs Free, why do you think it is that so many female politicians, including TM, insist on wearing trousers? Could it be down to some sort inferiority complex whereby they have to deny their own femininity?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    EDF already struggled to get it through with the obscene strike price, if the government move to lower it then EDF will pull out. Also bear in mind that Nick Timothy is very, very wary of Chinese involvement in the project which could also derail it. I think we are heading for CCGTs plus a longer term bet on tidal and a very long term bet on fusion.
    Mr. Max, what about small nuclear reactors? I read somewhere that South Korea is building 4 of them for about £8bn. There seems to be some scope for replacing the grand project with lots of small ones. In addition there is still the possibility of molten salt reactors and other "new" technologies. I'd be hesitant to write-off nuclear just yet.

    In the interim I hope TM does the decent thing and dumps the absurdly expensive Hinkley C project. With a little bit of thought CCGT could be made economical and sufficient be built in time.
    We're currently running an SMR competition which has attracted a lot of interest. More info in the link I posted down thread.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    How can Hillary get a bounce when she's been around for ages?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Hillary is a terrible speaker because it sounds like everything she's says she says it in her head first and sees how it will play instead of speaking from her heart, sad but true.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    If Bush can be reelected.....
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    kle4 said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Sorry about that old chap. I spoke out against it but was outvoted, although I am seeking judicial review of the processes followed, so you might be in luck.

    Although we do have standards to maintain of course.
    I appreciate your support Mr Kle :). I used to be continuously suited and booted, so I feel I've done my bit for sartorial elegance. A nice thing about being over 50 is one becomes essentially invisible and people's expectations are correspondingly low.

    Additionally, as a Yorkipoo owner (indisputably the cutest of the poodle crosses) all attention is always on Molly and Rosie.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    edited July 2016
    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    EDF already struggled to get it through with the obscene strike price, if the government move to lower it then EDF will pull out. Also bear in mind that Nick Timothy is very, very wary of Chinese involvement in the project which could also derail it. I think we are heading for CCGTs plus a longer term bet on tidal and a very long term bet on fusion.
    We are already hugely overdependent upon CCGT and the world gas price, which is volatile and erratic and subject to political tinkering from the likes of Putin.

    It's worth paying a slight premium for nuclear for stable energy security. But not that much.

    The deal was just done craply.

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    EDF already struggled to get it through with the obscene strike price, if the government move to lower it then EDF will pull out. Also bear in mind that Nick Timothy is very, very wary of Chinese involvement in the project which could also derail it. I think we are heading for CCGTs plus a longer term bet on tidal and a very long term bet on fusion.
    We are already hugely overdependent upon CCGT and the world gas price, which is volatile and erratic and subject to political tinkering from the likes of Putin.

    It's worth paying a slight premium for nuclear for stable energy security. But not that much.

    The deal was just done craply.
    What about the Chinese involvement? I'm happy if they wish to put up the money but no more than that. Wasn't there an agreement that they could build their own nuclear plants to Chinese spec? Thank god it wasn't signed in Osborne's blood?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    Morning Alistair, how's your other half? You've both been in my thoughts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    F1: news. Mentioned on the prior thread, but for those who missed it:
    2016 (as of now): radio restrictions lifted, excepting between the formation lap and start [presumably to avoid start procedure coaching].
    2017: no halo, return of standing starts in the wet.

    Really? Woo Hoo, common sense returns at last to F1 :)
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Stronger together sounds like stronger in. :(
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    Syrian refugee arrested over priest killing in France. Why do I get the feeling there will be more to this story.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    I don't like the convention in Philadelphia, they keep sticking it to English Kings. :(
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    The time to bet on Trump is when mainstream Republican politicians climb onboard. That is my strategy. While they stay away, it is because they are convinced Trump will lose heavily.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    rcs - which friendly countries are we getting gas from?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,706

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    EDF already struggled to get it through with the obscene strike price, if the government move to lower it then EDF will pull out. Also bear in mind that Nick Timothy is very, very wary of Chinese involvement in the project which could also derail it. I think we are heading for CCGTs plus a longer term bet on tidal and a very long term bet on fusion.
    We are already hugely overdependent upon CCGT and the world gas price, which is volatile and erratic and subject to political tinkering from the likes of Putin.

    It's worth paying a slight premium for nuclear for stable energy security. But not that much.

    The deal was just done craply.

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Hinkley Point C looks to be done. Now that Osborne is out so is Hinkley.

    There has already been hundreds of millions spent on Hinkley and we need to replace existing capacity, so I doubt it.

    But May might be looking to restrike the deal. The strike price for Hinkley is crazy.
    EDF already struggled to get it through with the obscene strike price, if the government move to lower it then EDF will pull out. Also bear in mind that Nick Timothy is very, very wary of Chinese involvement in the project which could also derail it. I think we are heading for CCGTs plus a longer term bet on tidal and a very long term bet on fusion.
    We are already hugely overdependent upon CCGT and the world gas price, which is volatile and erratic and subject to political tinkering from the likes of Putin.

    It's worth paying a slight premium for nuclear for stable energy security. But not that much.

    The deal was just done craply.
    What about the Chinese involvement? I'm happy if they wish to put up the money but no more than that. Wasn't there an agreement that they could build their own nuclear plants to Chinese spec? Thank god it wasn't signed in Osborne's blood?
    Yeah. Osborne for some reason had a real obsession with China.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,706

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    Not unlike his journey to the nomination..

    What I lack is a detailed model and understanding of the dynamics of each state. Paging Rod Crosby..

    I need to be convinced he has a real shot at Florida to believe he might do it.

    I think he will do well in the rust belt.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    rcs - which friendly countries are we getting gas from?

    Dominion Cove Point comes online in 2017. I have no idea whether it has the capacity to provide us with sufficient LNG, but the US is now an LNG exporter.

    As Max stated earlier, we likely have a good deal of natural gas in the UK to boot. @rcs1000 will know more, I'm sure.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,026

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    Best wishes for a speedier than expected recovery for him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,759

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    The time to bet on Trump is when mainstream Republican politicians climb onboard. That is my strategy. While they stay away, it is because they are convinced Trump will lose heavily.
    I'm not sure mainstream Republicans are a good barometer. Seeing as they had no idea that Trump would come out of nowhere and become the nominee. Twelve months ago they were just laughing at him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,759

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    That's good to hear. All the best with the next few weeks.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    That's fantastic news, so pleased for you!

    When Jenny was first diagnosed, it was agony simply because there's nothing one can do. It's simply waiting for nature (and medicine) to take its course for good or ill, so I really identified with what you must have been going through. That feeling of helplessness is just so stressful.

    All the best for the future and all my hopes for a full recovery by your loved one.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,706

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    I must have missed this originally (wondered where you were) and am very sorry to hear that, although pleased to hear a good recovery is being made.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    John_M said:

    kle4 said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Sorry about that old chap. I spoke out against it but was outvoted, although I am seeking judicial review of the processes followed, so you might be in luck.

    Although we do have standards to maintain of course.
    I appreciate your support Mr Kle :). I used to be continuously suited and booted, so I feel I've done my bit for sartorial elegance. A nice thing about being over 50 is one becomes essentially invisible and people's expectations are correspondingly low.

    Additionally, as a Yorkipoo owner (indisputably the cutest of the poodle crosses) all attention is always on Molly and Rosie.
    I am with you on this, Mr. M. I now no longer always wear a tie when out of the house and now have only one suit, which only comes out of the wardrobe for funerals (alas all too often these days). I have even taken to wearing a hat in hot weather.

    What I do recommend is a walking stick. Recently I had to use one for a couple of weeks because of a back problem and its effect was stunning. People made way for me on public transport, young people gave up their seats so that I could sit down. One charming young lady at Kings Cross even helped me off the train. Ok, so they were probably taking pity at the half-blind old buffer who was a bit shaky on his pins but having that stick definitely eased me through and made life a lot more comfortable than normal.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    John_M said:

    rcs - which friendly countries are we getting gas from?

    Dominion Cove Point comes online in 2017. I have no idea whether it has the capacity to provide us with sufficient LNG, but the US is now an LNG exporter.

    As Max stated earlier, we likely have a good deal of natural gas in the UK to boot. @rcs1000 will know more, I'm sure.
    Are we talking shale gas here? I'm yet to be convinced it's a good idea. The US is so big they can get away with it. We'd need to be a lot more careful.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    Sounds like he'll will himself to a full recovery. Hope he's home soon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723
    Best wishes to Mr Meeks and partner, long may the good recovery continue
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    John_M said:

    kle4 said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Sorry about that old chap. I spoke out against it but was outvoted, although I am seeking judicial review of the processes followed, so you might be in luck.

    Although we do have standards to maintain of course.
    I appreciate your support Mr Kle :). I used to be continuously suited and booted, so I feel I've done my bit for sartorial elegance. A nice thing about being over 50 is one becomes essentially invisible and people's expectations are correspondingly low.

    Additionally, as a Yorkipoo owner (indisputably the cutest of the poodle crosses) all attention is always on Molly and Rosie.
    I am with you on this, Mr. M. I now no longer always wear a tie when out of the house and now have only one suit, which only comes out of the wardrobe for funerals (alas all too often these days). I have even taken to wearing a hat in hot weather.

    What I do recommend is a walking stick. Recently I had to use one for a couple of weeks because of a back problem and its effect was stunning. People made way for me on public transport, young people gave up their seats so that I could sit down. One charming young lady at Kings Cross even helped me off the train. Ok, so they were probably taking pity at the half-blind old buffer who was a bit shaky on his pins but having that stick definitely eased me through and made life a lot more comfortable than normal.
    I've been on crutches/crutch on and off for four months, hence my frequent posting on here. It's boring being a semi-cripple.

    While I didn't actually dislocate my hip, I was apparently well on the way and damaged the muscles, nerves, soft tissue and labrum of my right hip. It's literally a gigantic pain in the arse.
  • scotslassscotslass Posts: 912
    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    Most modern politicians are terrible. Look at the last couple of Labour leadership elections, or the Conservative ones. It is because they no longer have to campaign for anything. Policy is decided not by analysis and debate but dreamt up by management consultants and tested in focus groups. SpAds are parachuted into safe seats: they've not done 10 years on the council and two elections in the opposition's safe seats.

    America is much the same after decades of gerrymandering. Jeb Bush, the great GOP white hope, turned out to be a charisma-free suit who believes in nothing in particular except his own destiny. Hillary Clinton, much the same. No wonder she gets on well with David Miliband. Pop quiz: what does Theresa May stand for? Was your first thought best classified as policy, philosophy or footwear?

    It leaves a gap for Trump or Farage or Sturgeon or Corbyn or anyone with a dash of charisma and a vision. A Cameron or Blair who look nice and don't spout jargon in monotones. Never mind that Trump's position on any subject is that he is simultaneously for it, against it, or will get his top people to work on it -- sometimes in the same speech, at least he seems to care.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    Good to hear from you, and that your other half is recovering well. Hope things continue to improve in the near future. :)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    Good news indeed, Mr. Meeks. I am sure that having your loving support has, and will continue to be, a spur to his ongoing recovery. Good luck and God bless to both of you.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    Best wishes for a continued speedy and full recovery.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Alistair - pleased to hear that.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    Sandpit said:

    F1: news. Mentioned on the prior thread, but for those who missed it:
    2016 (as of now): radio restrictions lifted, excepting between the formation lap and start [presumably to avoid start procedure coaching].
    2017: no halo, return of standing starts in the wet.

    Really? Woo Hoo, common sense returns at last to F1 :)
    No it's not it's stupid - fine with allowing radio communication to fix problems, but now we're back to "take a wider line at corner 2", "ride the kerb at corner 6" etc etc.

    Wet starts - what they're going to do is drive round and round behind the safety car, then form on the grid and start - which will then lead to crashes and another dozen laps driving round and round behind the safety car. It's the wrong solution to any easily solved problem - just start behind the safety car and have a rolling start after 1 lap.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,922
    @AlastairMeeks - Happy News!

    Maybe the government could appropriate some of the investment funds that we expect and hope will NOT go towards Hinkley Point and use it to construct some gas storage facilities. I believe 70% of the UK's minimal storage facilities is out of action due to severe maintenance problems at the Rough storage site.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Distasteful stuff from warmonger Hillary's camp. Trump's the anti-war candidate.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    nunu said:

    How can Hillary get a bounce when she's been around for ages?

    Even a dead cat will bounce..,
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    Wife privilege, I'm afraid.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101

    nunu said:

    How can Hillary get a bounce when she's been around for ages?

    Even a dead cat will bounce..,
    Or a Michelin man.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    Biden got hammered in the primaries by Obama and Hillary last time, though perhaps his reputation for gaffes would be unimportant against Trump.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Current grid generation

    Gas 55%, Nuclear 30% (6% imported from France), Dinorwic 6%, Wind 3%, Imported from Holland 3%, Coal 2%, Hydro 1%, Biomass 2%, Exported to RoI 1%

    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Hinkley Point C would take Nuclear to 40% including French Imports.

    It won't, because some of our existing nuclear capacity is end of life and is being retired.
    Do you think the stablilty the nuclear base load gives is worth the extra cost over Gas.

    If so, just Hinkley Point or what Nuclear Capacity do we need?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Hillary reminds me of Harriet Harman. A hectoring humourless feminist of a certain 60s/70s generation type.

    Only difference being that Hillary shouts whereas Harriet talks to you like you're 7 years old.
    I think Hillary shouts because she thinks it conveys passion, energy and enthusiasm. Unfortunately for her, it just conveys shouty.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,698

    rcs - which friendly countries are we getting gas from?

    We import pipeline gas from both Norway and the Netherlands.

    But the exciting thing about the gas market is that the last 10 years has seen the massive development of LNG worldwide. (Liquified Natural Gas - i.e. gas that is turned to liquid and then shipped around the world in giant carriers.)

    Right now there is about 250 million tonnes of annual LNG supply. Over the next five years, that's going to grow at least 100 million tonnes, and could well double by 2025. New gas exporters are: Australia (Gorgon, Wheatstone, GLNG and others), Papua New Guinea, the US and Canada. There are also massive gas discoveries off-shore Tanzania and Mozambique which have the ability to radically increase world gas supply. Furthermore, there are new 'floating LNG' facilities from Shell, Golar LNG and others that will allow stranded gas to be turned into LNG and sold around the world.

    Taking a longer term view, there are lots of gas reserves in the UK. At current world prices, they are not economic. But cost of extraction is coming down all the time. On a 20 year view, it's not unreasonable to expect that tight and shale gas in the UK will make up a meaningful proportion of our needs.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Morning all - another flying visit.

    Whenever I look at the US election, I look at Donald Trump and think "nah, it can't really happen". I realise that's very dangerous and a problem that I have to overcome.

    The time to bet on Trump is when mainstream Republican politicians climb onboard. That is my strategy. While they stay away, it is because they are convinced Trump will lose heavily.
    They were convinced he would lose heavily at every stage of the primaries ...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,698
    John_M said:

    rcs - which friendly countries are we getting gas from?

    Dominion Cove Point comes online in 2017. I have no idea whether it has the capacity to provide us with sufficient LNG, but the US is now an LNG exporter.

    As Max stated earlier, we likely have a good deal of natural gas in the UK to boot. @rcs1000 will know more, I'm sure.
    Sabine Pass is already operational in the US. And that facility alone could supply 9% of world LNG capacity by 2020!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.''

    Judging from your description, Clinton's problem is going to be turnout.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,026
    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    It makes a good point, but I'm afraid it just reeks of 'reseachers, quick, find us a dead Muslim soldier's parents'.



  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,698

    rcs1000 said:

    Current grid generation

    Gas 55%, Nuclear 30% (6% imported from France), Dinorwic 6%, Wind 3%, Imported from Holland 3%, Coal 2%, Hydro 1%, Biomass 2%, Exported to RoI 1%

    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    Hinkley Point C would take Nuclear to 40% including French Imports.

    It won't, because some of our existing nuclear capacity is end of life and is being retired.
    Do you think the stablilty the nuclear base load gives is worth the extra cost over Gas.

    If so, just Hinkley Point or what Nuclear Capacity do we need?
    As I mentioned downthread, one of the problems with nuclear is that it simply hasn't been very reliable.

    The only reason one would want nuclear in the mix is to have diversity of supply in the case of our natural gas being cut off for one reason or another.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    edited July 2016
    There are lots of allegations about questionable tactics to stage-manage the DNC and avoid a repeat of the first day when Hillary was booed. Things like seat-fillers being sent into the Bernie sections and the installation of white noise machines to drown out pro-Bernie chants.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    For our defence bods :smiley:

    UK Defence Journal
    Yes, the @Daily_Star has printed this. They seem to have confused the calibre of a new gun with the length of it... https://t.co/76YXdpeJ52
  • Carolus_RexCarolus_Rex Posts: 1,414
    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    There are lots of allegations about questionable tactics to stage manage the DNC and avoid a repeat of the first day when Hillary was booed. Things like seat-fillers being sent into the Bernie sections and the installation of white noise machines to drown out pro-Bernie chants.

    Quite possibly all true but really, no American voter will be outraged or even mildly surprised that conventions are heavily choreographed. Of course they are.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101

    There are lots of allegations about questionable tactics to stage manage the DNC and avoid a repeat of the first day when Hillary was booed. Things like seat-fillers being sent into the Bernie sections and the installation of white noise machines to drown out pro-Bernie chants.

    Quite possibly all true but really, no American voter will be outraged or even mildly surprised that conventions are heavily choreographed. Of course they are.
    It matters more what the Bernie supporters think about it. If they ultimately stay home, or if enough of them are won over by Trump's anti free-trade stance then Hillary will not win.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
    Draft dodgers generally do well in US Presidential elections. Bush Junior's campaign went so far as to mock John Kerry's Purple Hearts much as draft dodger Trump belittled McCain's Vietnamese imprisonment. I think the yanks despise anyone who ends up in the military despite their vulgar jingoism.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Judging by a few of Trump's tweets after Hillary spoke, a face to face debate would be interesting.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    Most modern politicians are terrible. Look at the last couple of Labour leadership elections, or the Conservative ones. It is because they no longer have to campaign for anything. Policy is decided not by analysis and debate but dreamt up by management consultants and tested in focus groups. SpAds are parachuted into safe seats: they've not done 10 years on the council and two elections in the opposition's safe seats.

    America is much the same after decades of gerrymandering. Jeb Bush, the great GOP white hope, turned out to be a charisma-free suit who believes in nothing in particular except his own destiny. Hillary Clinton, much the same. No wonder she gets on well with David Miliband. Pop quiz: what does Theresa May stand for? Was your first thought best classified as policy, philosophy or footwear?

    It leaves a gap for Trump or Farage or Sturgeon or Corbyn or anyone with a dash of charisma and a vision. A Cameron or Blair who look nice and don't spout jargon in monotones. Never mind that Trump's position on any subject is that he is simultaneously for it, against it, or will get his top people to work on it -- sometimes in the same speech, at least he seems to care.

    Sturgeon has a vision. Not sure the others have. Most populists - left and right - define themselves by what they hate not by what they want to achieve.

    All our politicians are busily avoiding the one really huge issue they need to deal with: how to make globalisation work for the many, not the few. No-one seems to have come up with any answers. And with automation and AI, it's getting more and more pressing that they do.

    The Middle East is a cakewalk by comparison.

  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    There are lots of allegations about questionable tactics to stage-manage the DNC and avoid a repeat of the first day when Hillary was booed. Things like seat-fillers being sent into the Bernie sections and the installation of white noise machines to drown out pro-Bernie chants.

    They turned off the lights over a large section of the audience who booed too. There's a great tweet pix floating about.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
    Draft dodgers generally do well in US Presidential elections. Bush Junior's campaign went so far as to mock John Kerry's Purple Hearts much as draft dodger Trump belittled McCain's Vietnamese imprisonment. I think the yanks despise anyone who ends up in the military despite their vulgar jingoism.
    I volunteered for the Army on my birthday
    They draft the white trash first 'round here anyway

    Steve Earle - "Copperhead Road"
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.
    I'm rather hoping Trump wins too for just the same reasons. It's a choice between a showman outsider who will shake things up a bit or die trying/the media are almost wholly against, or an entitled crook who'll do nothing but feather her nest/the media are almost all for.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,040
    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.

    Wanting a racist to win just to stick two fingers up at the establishment is surely taking things too far. What he said about that Latino judge surely disqualifies him from the support of any decent person. Then there's his idea about throwing the world economy into complete turmoil by withdrawing from the WTO, not to mention giving Putin a free hand by not honouring the US's NATO commitments.

    Hillary is an awful candidate and the DC establishment certainly needs shaking up, but Trump is not the person to do it.

  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    Does Biden have the money and the network to stand?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905
    OGH seems to be a big fan of crooked Hillary :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,519
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Sandpit, apparently the halo has been agreed for 2018.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,723

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.

    Wanting a racist to win just to stick two fingers up at the establishment is surely taking things too far. What he said about that Latino judge surely disqualifies him from the support of any decent person. Then there's his idea about throwing the world economy into complete turmoil by withdrawing from the WTO, not to mention giving Putin a free hand by not honouring the US's NATO commitments.

    Hillary is an awful candidate and the DC establishment certainly needs shaking up, but Trump is not the person to do it.

    Agreed.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Given the ages of the US presidential candidates, what are the chances they will not serve out a full term or even not make it to election day?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.

    Wanting a racist to win just to stick two fingers up at the establishment is surely taking things too far. What he said about that Latino judge surely disqualifies him from the support of any decent person. Then there's his idea about throwing the world economy into complete turmoil by withdrawing from the WTO, not to mention giving Putin a free hand by not honouring the US's NATO commitments.

    Hillary is an awful candidate and the DC establishment certainly needs shaking up, but Trump is not the person to do it.

    " That Latino judge ". Lol.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Owen Smith on steroids. I still can't get over the DNC having no flags on the set - at times it looked a trifle Orwellian. And the illegals on stage? A few of their other podium bods have been indicted or under Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.

    Wanting a racist to win just to stick two fingers up at the establishment is surely taking things too far. What he said about that Latino judge surely disqualifies him from the support of any decent person. Then there's his idea about throwing the world economy into complete turmoil by withdrawing from the WTO, not to mention giving Putin a free hand by not honouring the US's NATO commitments.

    Hillary is an awful candidate and the DC establishment certainly needs shaking up, but Trump is not the person to do it.
    I dislike Teump less than Clinton, she doesn't understand classified information. But agreed, a truly terrible choice.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Hinkley Point is fracked.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905
    PlatoSaid said:

    For our defence bods :smiley:

    UK Defence Journal
    Yes, the @Daily_Star has printed this. They seem to have confused the calibre of a new gun with the length of it... https://t.co/76YXdpeJ52

    https://twitter.com/station6/status/758968815401050112

    :lol:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    @John_M Thanks for asking, and your thoughts are appreciated.

    He's doing really well, really well. He's exceeded all expectations of the doctors. The other day a doctor confirmed to me that it had been touch and go when he had been first admitted - I'd suspected this, of course. In less than three weeks he's walking (a bit) and talking (a lot), which is incredible at this stage. He'll be in hospital for a few weeks yet though, which is something he refuses to accept but is going to have to endure.

    I've restarted back at work, mornings only for now, so that I can continue to visit him in the afternoons. I don't have much time to myself and probably won't for quite some time. So my visits to pb will remain flying only for the foreseeable future. But things are so much better than they might have been.

    That is really good to hear. I'm delighted for you both. I hope his recovery continues and that you both see much better and happier days soon.

    All the very best.

  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
    Draft dodgers generally do well in US Presidential elections. Bush Junior's campaign went so far as to mock John Kerry's Purple Hearts much as draft dodger Trump belittled McCain's Vietnamese imprisonment. I think the yanks despise anyone who ends up in the military despite their vulgar jingoism.
    I watched a fascinating PBS docu a while ago about the attitude to the military - the gap between wanting to serve vs what the government will do for veterans vs the dubious quests they've been sent on vs the jingoism.

    I found it really rather depressing and sorry for them. Those who volunteered to serve felt terribly strongly about doing their duty. They're 0.4% of the population now - if you include everyone alive who served, it rises to 7.3%.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/

    We aren't any better.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I know we covered this at the the time

    @politicshome: ICYMI Labour launches probe after party loses council seat following 'Corbynite takeover' https://t.co/aO81UvmUat https://t.co/I06mVERD2w


    just wondering, could the same thing happen at a GE if Tezza calls one quickly? All the sitting MPs that Jezza wants to deselect, could they be replaced by ineligible candidates, and end up fighting as Independent Labour against Independent not-Labour?
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    PlatoSaid said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
    Draft dodgers generally do well in US Presidential elections. Bush Junior's campaign went so far as to mock John Kerry's Purple Hearts much as draft dodger Trump belittled McCain's Vietnamese imprisonment. I think the yanks despise anyone who ends up in the military despite their vulgar jingoism.
    I watched a fascinating PBS docu a while ago about the attitude to the military - the gap between wanting to serve vs what the government will do for veterans vs the dubious quests they've been sent on vs the jingoism.

    I found it really rather depressing and sorry for them. Those who volunteered to serve felt terribly strongly about doing their duty. They're 0.4% of the population now - if you include everyone alive who served, it rises to 7.3%.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/

    We aren't any better.
    We're better. The Royal family and the aristocracy still serve in the military. The yank upper echelons are now utterly devoid of noblesse oblige.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Well, that would be a shame. I make an exception for men who make me laugh or who are interesting (or who are interested in me - :) ).



  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    scotslass said:

    The uniondivvie

    You are quite correct. Your nom has the advantage of not being mistaken for any other. Jack W my sincere apologies for confusing you with Matt W. That was an unintentional slight of the highest order.

    Come round to Auchentennach Castle for a chat about pies and contents therein .... :naughty:
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    PlatoSaid said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    scotslass said:

    Watch the father's speech of the dead Muslim soldier.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.

    If the Democrats can articulate what this conveys about the self-indulgent, pampered, bigoted man child then Hillary is home and dry and Trump is finished.

    Or it is mawkish populism. What has Hillary sacrificed that Trump hasn't? For that matter, if my son died in a war I would regard that son personally, and no one else (including me) as having made a sacrifice.
    It's a good point. I knew something about that speech jarred but couldn't put my finger on it, but you're right - the problem is that he's not the candidate, Hilary is, and she hasn't sacrificed anything.

    Mind you when did that ever make a difference in US politics anyway? Bush Snr was a war hero and that didn't help him against Clinton. John McCain was a war hero and that didn't help him against Obama. Maybe "You have sacrificed nothing" should make a difference but it just doesn't.
    Draft dodgers generally do well in US Presidential elections. Bush Junior's campaign went so far as to mock John Kerry's Purple Hearts much as draft dodger Trump belittled McCain's Vietnamese imprisonment. I think the yanks despise anyone who ends up in the military despite their vulgar jingoism.
    I watched a fascinating PBS docu a while ago about the attitude to the military - the gap between wanting to serve vs what the government will do for veterans vs the dubious quests they've been sent on vs the jingoism.

    I found it really rather depressing and sorry for them. Those who volunteered to serve felt terribly strongly about doing their duty. They're 0.4% of the population now - if you include everyone alive who served, it rises to 7.3%.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-percentage-of-americans-have-served-in-the-military/

    We aren't any better.
    We're better. The Royal family and the aristocracy still serve in the military. The yank upper echelons are now utterly devoid of noblesse oblige.
    That's a very fair point. Well noted.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    PlatoSaid said:

    Can’t believe anyone normal would fall for the vapid crap dished out at a Rep/Dem Convention.

    Imagine what the TV and Twitter will be like if Trump wins? It'll make Brexit butthurt look like a sunny day.
    Meanwhile back in the real world ..............
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,905
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    Sandpit said:

    I picked out this comment on Hillary's speech because I suspect it's representative of a large part of America:

    I started this whole thing believing that Trump was a joke and that this woman was borderline intolerable yet the best choice amongst the viable candidates. Now whenever I see her I hate her slightly more, and whenever I see Trump I like him slightly more.

    There was a moment in the 2008 campaign when polling showed that Obama was more likeable than Hillary which led to his putdown, "You're likeable enough, Hillary." Well she isn't.

    Any Democrat comparing Joe Biden's performance at the DNC to Hillary's must be enraged and baffled. Why her ? Why ?
    They really should have gone with Biden, shouldn't they?
    I'm not overly keen on Biden - but I detest Hillary and all her baggage. The overwhelming impression I had was that most delegates wanted someone else - and were tolerating her. They loved Michelle, loved Bill, still liked Obama a lot - and that's before we get to the Bernie faction.

    Hillary is like Grand Jury investigation. The whole thing felt really strange, disconnected and rammed with identity politics.

    I guess it's just another symptom of how politics is becoming polarised.
    I find the US election both bonkers and fascinating! The American public have the choice between the two most unpopular candidates in history. It's Alien v Predator, how can 330m people boil down to those two?

    I'm now thinking I actually want to see Trump win, just to stick two fingers up to the cozy Washington establishment. The opening that's certain is that nothing will change under Hillary - she's no Obama and certainly no Bill Clinton either.

    Wanting a racist to win just to stick two fingers up at the establishment is surely taking things too far. What he said about that Latino judge surely disqualifies him from the support of any decent person. Then there's his idea about throwing the world economy into complete turmoil by withdrawing from the WTO, not to mention giving Putin a free hand by not honouring the US's NATO commitments.

    Hillary is an awful candidate and the DC establishment certainly needs shaking up, but Trump is not the person to do it.
    I dislike Teump less than Clinton, she doesn't understand classified information. But agreed, a truly terrible choice.
    Crooked Hillary v. Crazy Donald

    Whoever wins, we lose(?)
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited July 2016
    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Well, that would be a shame. I make an exception for men who make me laugh or who are interesting (or who are interested in me - :) ).



    I have looked again at the picture of Hillary following your critique of her attire. On second look, I have to say the overwhelming effect is of Boss Hogg ... Give her a white Stetson.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    "The chain has angered customers by co-operating with immigration services, betraying employees who had lied about their identities, just to avoid potentially unlimited fines.

    Eleanor Shaw, who has vowed never to eat in a Byron again, said: “What other laws do they obey? All of them?

    ...

    “If the whole chain had been shut down in a nationwide immigration investigation, with prison sentences and the loss of 1,500 jobs, I for one would have been proud.”

    http://m.thedailymash.co.uk/news/business/employer-obeys-employment-law-20160729111608
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @scotslass.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.'


    Can you remind us what Clinton has sacrificed ?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    MTimT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Well, that would be a shame. I make an exception for men who make me laugh or who are interesting (or who are interested in me - :) ).



    I have looked again at the picture of Hillary following your critique of her attire. On second look, I have to say the overwhelming effect is of Boss Hogg ... Give her a white Stetson.
    :lol:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V0YmVzrFNU
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Ms Cyclefree, we must never meet. If you saw me, you'd likely drop dead instantly, the offence to your fashionable sensibilities would be so great. I used to say I dressed like a tramp, until I received a 'cease and desist' letter from the Tramps' Association.
    Well, that would be a shame. I make an exception for men who make me laugh or who are interesting (or who are interested in me - :) ).



    I shall take that oblique compliment in the spirit in which I hope it is intended, and redouble my attempts to dazzle you from afar ;).
  • ThrakThrak Posts: 494
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-dnc-response/

    Trump yesterday threatening violence against people who anger him. Add that to the pile, including his wish to recognise Russia's invasion of other nations and to give them the green light to continue it elsewhere.

    Sorry, but if anyone expresses a wish that he should win, you are as repugnant as he is. If it's just for a laugh then you really need to think about the consequences to the international situation, it's not enoughh just to want to hope to profit from a USA in full self destruction mode.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,101
    john_zims said:

    @scotslass.

    "Donald Trump you have sacrificed nothing" is one of the most powerful lines of any Convention speech.'

    Can you remind us what Clinton has sacrificed ?

    And what does it say to the millions of Americans who haven't lost any family members in war? Are they less American?
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Thrak said:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-dnc-response/

    Trump yesterday threatening violence against people who anger him. Add that to the pile, including his wish to recognise Russia's invasion of other nations and to give them the green light to continue it elsewhere.

    Sorry, but if anyone expresses a wish that he should win, you are as repugnant as he is. If it's just for a laugh then you really need to think about the consequences to the international situation, it's not enoughh just to want to hope to profit from a USA in full self destruction mode.

    Oh what a panty-waist you are. Owen Smith wanted to smash Mrs May two days ago. He said Ms Plaid got the job because of her gender and that the LDs would be exposed once their make-up wore off like a domestic abuse victim.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651

    Cyclefree said:

    John_M said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Hilary is a rubbish speaker.

    And, really, who in God's name advised her that a white trouser suit which makes her arse and thighs look even bigger than they are was a good idea? Can't the poor woman afford a mirror?

    At least it was better than some of her 'President-of-a-Future-Star-Federation' outfits.

    It's been a strange year. Clinton is terrible, Owen Smith is terrible yet people are desperate for both to win as the alternative is even worse.
    She should not be in trousers at all. Or if she must long tunics over them are a necessity. Dresses would be far more elegant for her.

    Really, lots of people who should know better seem to get dressed in the dark, as if they'd blundered into their wardrobes with their bodies covered in glue and left the house with whatever got attached to them. A mirror would help, a rear view mirror in many cases.

    People should make a bit of an effort not to be a complete eyesore when out in public. It's only polite.

    Mrs Free, why do you think it is that so many female politicians, including TM, insist on wearing trousers? Could it be down to some sort inferiority complex whereby they have to deny their own femininity?
    I have no idea. Trousers can look good and feminine on a woman but (a) you need them to be very well cut; and (b) they need to suit your figure. Then there is the question of what you wear on top. Something short only suits the slender. If you're not slender and put something vast on top to hide everything you get the tent effect. So quite a lot of care is needed. And then the shoes are usually all wrong. Stilettos with trouser suits - that's just a crime.

    I suspect the reason is probably more prosaic: not wanting to worry about skirts - their length / tights / the state of their legs / whether their ankles are fat that day / shoes etc and a belief that trousers are somehow easier.

    The art of dressing well is "se sentir bien dans son peau" i.e. working out what suits you and makes you feel good/comfortable rather than just buying fashion. But some people don't really have any sort of visual sense at all. I'm constantly amazed at how messy and ugly some people's houses are - I'd feel quite ill if I lived like that - but others don't see it. And there is no real social pressure - as, say, in Italy - to look well dressed in public nor do people (or women, say) get complimented.
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