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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,477

    Mr. 1983, it isn't helped by Erdogan. He's an ally of the West, apparently, but seems rather similar to Putin (with fewer foreign adventures but more Islamism).

    Quite. A good deal fonder of twitter blackouts, cracking down on political dissent etc. by my reckoning too. And on foreign adventures our media has been exceedingly polite in glossing over Erdogan's attempts to foment the situation in Syria to his advantage.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308

    Mr. 1983, it isn't helped by Erdogan. He's an ally of the West, apparently, but seems rather similar to Putin (with fewer foreign adventures but more Islamism).

    Mr Dancer, the Turks having been in occupation of Northern Cyprus since 1974, with the de facto blessing of NATO.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,477

    Nice man.

    Victory has may Named Persons, but defeat is an orphan.
    Well they didn't oppose it did they? I believe they abstained.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,723
    edited July 2016

    From past thread, re official opposition:

    I'm guessing the Speaker, but the process seems to be essentially automatic, based on this article:

    https://constitution-unit.com/2016/06/29/what-if-labour-splits/

    The Official Opposition is simply the largest party presence not in government. If Labour splits then it seems the key question would be who is 2nd official opposition party (which gains some minor rights to speak etc). Could be SNP if split leaves Corbyn with less than 54 MPs.

    I believe that the wording is "party in opposition to Her Majesty's government" rather than "party not forming part of Her Majesty's government" or similar. If so Bercow could theoretically rule that because Corbyn can't fill a front bench his party is not effectively opposing HMG and therefore he can't be LOTO. In which case it would have to be Angus Robertson.
    Corbyn only has the confidence of around 40 MPs, that's less than Angus Robertson => Robertson should be Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.
    The residual (rebel) Labour party is several times bigger than the SNP. Even the Lib Dems had more than twice as many votes as the SNP.
    For better or worse that doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the UK parliament.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. 1000, caught up with a friend a week or two ago who said she'd stopped going on Facebook because people on both sides just kept banging on about it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,171
    A sign Corbyn is expecting to lose the court case today ?

    The Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith is facing calls to make sure Jeremy Corbyn is on the ballot if a judge rules on Thursday that the incumbent leader needs to collect nominations from MPs.

    Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association (TSSA) and a key backer of Corbyn, called on Smith to “show courage” and insist on a fair contest if the high court rules at 2pm that Corbyn is not automatically entitled to be on the ballot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-ballot-labour-leadership?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics#link_time=1469702212
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Dr. Prasannan, well, quite.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308
    edited July 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Cleggers saw his gravy train pull out of the station on 24th June
    Clegg was not an MEP, surely it applies to Farage more.
    He was!

    East Midlands 1999 – 2004

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    GIN1138 said:

    @theJeremyVine: Have you been dumped by your partner and they blamed Brexit?
    @BBCRadio2 we are talking about #Brexcuse - people blaming everything on Brexit

    Well, eight people defriended me on Facebook.

    Does that count?
    I was very saddened to learn, when talking to an elderly relation the other day, that her family are “not talking" to her and her husband because she voted Leave, while the rest of them voted Remain.
    .
    Anybody that cause's a rift with their friends and family because they take a different political view is crazy - That really is the way a society can descend from civilized political debate to violence.
    I'm hugely optimistic about the modern world, yet it does have some drawbacks.

    Our increasing ability to withdraw from the world and only ever encounter headlines/people/arguments we like is worrying. Reasonable people can disagree over the EU. It was ultimately a matter for personal judgement, not the basis for family feuds.
    You have to wonder whether these people who are falling out with friends and family over Brexit are entirely rational or whether there were "tensions" long before the referendum.

    It's also bringing people together though. Even JackW and MalcG are about to join forces for Scottish independence.... Who would have thunk it? :smiley:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    edited July 2016

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    What an absolute tool.....I just been to Tescos's local....no sign of security.....about 20 people in there...if I was a terrorist....

    Remind they kept this guy, but sacked Tim Marshall...
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited July 2016
    The Pew figures are for citizenship. I am not convinced that the electorate is more diverse than ever, on the implied metric. Here are some government stats (possibly self-reported, because why separate "reported not registered" from "no response to registration"?). Numbers are /1000.

    image

    (Source: US Census Bureau.)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    A sign Corbyn is expecting to lose the court case today ?

    The Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith is facing calls to make sure Jeremy Corbyn is on the ballot if a judge rules on Thursday that the incumbent leader needs to collect nominations from MPs.

    Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association (TSSA) and a key backer of Corbyn, called on Smith to “show courage” and insist on a fair contest if the high court rules at 2pm that Corbyn is not automatically entitled to be on the ballot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-ballot-labour-leadership?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics#link_time=1469702212

    More other people just covering the bases.

    Still nonsense though. It would be a farce if Corbyn doesn't get nominations, but if the rules are fair, and I'll bet when they proposed them they said they were, then it is fair to follow the rules, and if a man cannot get the required nominations when he needs them, that's fair.

    Ignoring the intent of the rules was what got Labour into this mess in the first place.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,065

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Cleggers saw his gravy train pull out of the station on 24th June
    Clegg was not an MEP, surely it applies to Farage more.
    He was!

    East Midlands 1999 – 2004

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg
    On 24th June2016?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,720

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Cleggers saw his gravy train pull out of the station on 24th June
    Clegg was not an MEP, surely it applies to Farage more.
    Clegg should surely welcome the increased openness of the UK to the 80% of the world not in the EU and to a move away from EU centralisation and towards localism, a strong Lib Dem policy.

    BREXIT equals more liberalism.
    Let's wait and see if the increased openness actually happens. The main development so far has been the government saying it wants to intervene when foreign investors try to buy British companies. When it comes down to actual cases the voters don't want free trade, they want local shops for local people.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. Urquhart, my understanding is that Tim Marshall left of his own accord (saw a brief Twitter chat about him following his return to Sky, independently, when the coup attempt happened).

    Marshall's a top chap. Very well-informed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,422
    FPT
    The problems identified in the Judgment of the Supreme Court in respect of the named persons legislation are pretty fundamental.

    Essentially the Act requires a long list of professionals to share information (which may otherwise be confidential) with the named person who in turn has an obligation to disclose that information to other professionals who may be involved in the wellbeing of the child.

    The provisions are found to be in breach of article 8 (protection of family life) because there is no duty to consult the child or the parents of the child before making such disclosures. The Act requires disclosure in many circumstances where the exceptions allowed by Article 8(2) would not apply.

    The judgment did not find the provisions incompatible with the Data Protection Act but only because that Act and the EU Directive on which it is based continue to apply to the professionals notwithstanding the terms of the 2014 Act. There are repeated comments that this results in great confusion and uncertainty but it did not make the legislation itself technically incompetent. Anyone reading the explanation of how those provisions would have to work would be well advised to consider how this mess can be sorted out. For all practical purposes the law, as explained by the Supreme Court, requires professionals not to disclose confidential information except in the circumstances already permitted by the DPA.

    The decision does not make having a named person for every child incompetent but well deprive that named person of most of their function for the majority of children. The Court are clear that this is not something that can be dealt with by guidance. It requires a change in the legislation and those changes will require the consent of the child or the parents to the disclosure of any confidential material except in extreme circumstances where the safety of the child might be at risk.

    James Wolffe, our former Dean of Faculty, who represented the Scottish Ministers in the Supreme Court, is now the Lord Advocate. He is an extremely clever man. I very much hope the question of how this legislation is to be revised is left to him. The question of whether the legislation is a good idea remains a political question on which the Court, very properly, has expressed no view.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Mr. 1000, caught up with a friend a week or two ago who said she'd stopped going on Facebook because people on both sides just kept banging on about it.

    I only go on Facebook when I'm bored in the small hours. Pictures of other people's kids and holiday snap... My brother posts dozens of pix of crap furniture he's doing up.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    GIN1138 said:

    John_M said:

    GIN1138 said:

    @theJeremyVine: Have you been dumped by your partner and they blamed Brexit?
    @BBCRadio2 we are talking about #Brexcuse - people blaming everything on Brexit

    Well, eight people defriended me on Facebook.

    Does that count?
    I was very saddened to learn, when talking to an elderly relation the other day, that her family are “not talking" to her and her husband because she voted Leave, while the rest of them voted Remain.
    .
    Anybody that cause's a rift with their friends and family because they take a different political view is crazy - That really is the way a society can descend from civilized political debate to violence.
    I'm hugely optimistic about the modern world, yet it does have some drawbacks.

    Our increasing ability to withdraw from the world and only ever encounter headlines/people/arguments we like is worrying. Reasonable people can disagree over the EU. It was ultimately a matter for personal judgement, not the basis for family feuds.
    You have to wonder whether these people who are falling out with friends or family over Brexit are entirely rational or whether there were "tensions" long before the referendum.

    It's also bringing people together though. Even JackW and MalcG are about to join forced for Scottish independence.... Who would have thunk it? :smiley:
    I know. I’d thought that set of my relations were a prettry forgiving lot, likely to get on with each other in spite of everything.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Cleggers saw his gravy train pull out of the station on 24th June
    Clegg was not an MEP, surely it applies to Farage more.
    He was!

    East Midlands 1999 – 2004

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg
    On 24th June2016?
    You said "Clegg was not an MEP".
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308

    @theJeremyVine: Have you been dumped by your partner and they blamed Brexit?
    @BBCRadio2 we are talking about #Brexcuse - people blaming everything on Brexit

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Suck it up, TSE! :lol:
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,477
    edited July 2016

    PlatoSaid said:

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Cleggers saw his gravy train pull out of the station on 24th June
    Clegg was not an MEP, surely it applies to Farage more.
    It does, but Clegg would no doubt have got a Brussels job, or at the very least several jobs in Brussels funded quangos.

    Brexit really is damaging people's job prospects.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    edited July 2016

    Mr. Urquhart, my understanding is that Tim Marshall left of his own accord (saw a brief Twitter chat about him following his return to Sky, independently, when the coup attempt happened).

    Marshall's a top chap. Very well-informed.

    Fair enough. Sky have lost a number of their better people over the past couple of years. Jeff Randall is another that quit.

    I read in the Guardian a couple of weeks ago they were going to cut business bulletins (but keep the Ian King show). And Andrew Wilson, Lorna Dunkley and Samantha Simmonds are all leaving.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    Scott_P said:

    @dhothersall: Corbynite-controlled CLP selects ineligible member for Labour-held seat, unable to stand as Labour, seat lost. FFS. https://t.co/VItOymWeN9

    Do you have to be a party member for 12 months to stand for election ?

    Can't find anything about it in here: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/141787/Part-2b-standing-as-a-party-candidate-LGEW.pdf
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    What an absolute tool.....I just been to Tescos's local....no sign of security.....about 20 people in there...if I was a terrorist....

    Remind they kept this guy, but sacked Tim Marshall...
    What did the man say? "F-word Off" and then something incoherent or inaudible? What is the point of the clip?

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,091

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    Summary for those of us without the ability to watch it at work?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    We live in a world where light bulbs can be hacked.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

    Why do light bulbs need to be connected to the internet?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FF43 said:

    Hillary Clinton's former boss and putative predecessor, along with her husband, are perhaps the best speechmakers of recent times. Unfortunately she herself is completely outclassed by them.

    I thought B Obama's speech was too long but the opening was... masterful. Getting the Bernie or Busters on side and just appearing effortless.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Does Donald Trump = Kevin Costner?

    Hope that hasn't spoiled things for anyone who hasn't seen No Way Out.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925

    @theJeremyVine: Have you been dumped by your partner and they blamed Brexit?
    @BBCRadio2 we are talking about #Brexcuse - people blaming everything on Brexit

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    Suck it up, TSE! :lol:
    It's The Sunil Wot Won It! :smiley:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    MaxPB said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    Summary for those of us without the ability to watch it at work?
    Martin Brunt walks into the church, walks out again and says if he was a terrorist he "could have killed them all"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:

    @dhothersall: Corbynite-controlled CLP selects ineligible member for Labour-held seat, unable to stand as Labour, seat lost. FFS. https://t.co/VItOymWeN9

    Do you have to be a party member for 12 months to stand for election ?

    Can't find anything about it in here: http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/141787/Part-2b-standing-as-a-party-candidate-LGEW.pdf
    I'm fairly sure that's not the case. I mean, you can leave a party the day after you are elected if you want, so long as you are in the party at the time of submitting nomination papers it seems like that would be all that is needed. I was told in a recent by-election round my way the winning candidate had only been a member of that party for less than 6 months (I'm not certain of the details, although they had previously been the candidate for a different party so were definitely a member of another party at some point)
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    HOW TWITTER WORKS:

    1. "Alan Bennett" is trending

    2. I thought: Has Alan Bennett died?

    3. I click on the link, which says: "Alan Bennett admits double murder in Teesside".

    I didn't even bother to read the article to check whether the double-murderer Alan Bennett is the same person as the playwright Alan Bennett, or whether they are different people.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    MaxPB said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    Summary for those of us without the ability to watch it at work?
    He goes into a church saying doesn't seem to be any security, and comes out a few minutes later to say there are about 12 people in there and if I was a terrorist I could have killed them all...to which the people watching says some very naughty words.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Labour fielded an ineligible candidate so didn’t stand
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Was the IND ex-LAB?

    The IND was a Momentum candidate, ineligible to stand for Labour
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. Max, watch it when you get home. It's great, in a horrendous sort of way.

    He goes into a church, emerges and says something like "There was no security. If I were a terrorist, I could have killed them all."
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,019

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    She (I think) is Labour, but has been for less than a year so is ineligible to represent her party under their rules. The branch actually selected someone who couldn't represent them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    We live in a world where light bulbs can be hacked.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

    Why do light bulbs need to be connected to the internet?

    So you can control them via an app. Rather than, you know, a light switch.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266

    We live in a world where light bulbs can be hacked.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

    Why do light bulbs need to be connected to the internet?

    So you can turn them on / off remotely, also the idea is with the internet of things both diagnostics for you and tell you when your bulb is going to go / has gone, order you a new one etc etc etc.

    The companies see this as a huge opportunity on the data collection side. They will be able to get automated collection of failure rates of products, how they are used in the home, etc etc etc.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited July 2016
    Alistair said:

    Well I had never heard of this named person thing before today.

    What an astonishing load of nanny state bollox. Have they not got better things to do? Interfering busybodies' wet dream!

    Have you read the actual legislation rather than the inaccurate summaries that groups who disapprove of sex outside marriage have put together?
    You sound as if you're using the assimilation method. I've read the legislation. Interesting that it wouldn't apply to children attending private schools, i.e. most children from rich families.
    John_M said:

    I think the legislation is fine. Anything that helps prevent more Baby Ps is a laudable objective.

    You are confusing means with ends. Not every means to achieve that objective is laudable or even acceptable.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,091
    Err, right. What a dick.
  • BudGBudG Posts: 711
    Suppose Corbyn survives and we return to the status quo, with no split, but not enough Labour MP's willing to take front bench oposition roles. Would it be constitutionally allowable for him to offer positions on the opposition front bench and even shadow cabinet to SNP MP's?

    Not suggesting it would be a good move, just wondering if it would be possible.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308
    Ta, everyone, for clearing up the Totnes "Labour-that-wasn't" candidate story :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,467
    edited July 2016

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    What an absolute tool.....I just been to Tescos's local....no sign of security.....about 20 people in there...if I was a terrorist....

    Remind they kept this guy, but sacked Tim Marshall...
    I have just been into my local newsagent for a paper and there weren't any armed police in there.

    Fortunately there weren't any terrorists either so I am still alive.

    #chickenlickentrolls #letspointouttargets
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    We live in a world where light bulbs can be hacked.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

    Why do light bulbs need to be connected to the internet?

    Everything should be connected to the Internet, so I can stop wasting time here and amuse myself by controlling other people's homes.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    A sign Corbyn is expecting to lose the court case today ?

    The Labour leadership challenger Owen Smith is facing calls to make sure Jeremy Corbyn is on the ballot if a judge rules on Thursday that the incumbent leader needs to collect nominations from MPs.

    Manuel Cortes, the general secretary of the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association (TSSA) and a key backer of Corbyn, called on Smith to “show courage” and insist on a fair contest if the high court rules at 2pm that Corbyn is not automatically entitled to be on the ballot.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/28/owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-ballot-labour-leadership?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics#link_time=1469702212

    It would be classic Labour if the judge gives them a way out of this mess and they end up giving Corbyn enough nominations.

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?

    It's to do with how the OS allocates the RAM.

    Coat.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536

    GIN1138 said:



    We stayed in it so long because successive UK Governments feared losing political influence over the institutions of the EU, and the structure of the single market, if we vetoed that path and felt we had no choice anyway given the potential economic disruption to do anything but acquiesce.

    Plus a huge number of British politicians have made a LOT of money out of the the EU gravy-train graveyard for failed politicians.
    Not many leading politicians won't prefer luxuriantly hobnobbing with their equals on a grander scale overseas than dealing with domestic political spats at Westminister.
    It was convenient, too. It made politicians' lives easier having many important decisions taken off them. They could instead spend more time being glorified social workers and arguing (as Richard North has put it) about calling boats Boaty McBoatface.

    It infantilised UK politics and MPs. That was one of the best arguments for leaving.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,451
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    Summary for those of us without the ability to watch it at work?
    Martin Brunt walks into the church, walks out again and says if he was a terrorist he "could have killed them all"
    He even lists them. "There were about a dozen worshippers and one priest. I could have killed them all." Before the camera lingers on a close up of the name of the church.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Mr. Max, watch it when you get home. It's great, in a horrendous sort of way.

    He goes into a church, emerges and says something like "There was no security. If I were a terrorist, I could have killed them all."

    Old school tabloid fare -- big photo of Diana captioned if this camera had been a gun ...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?

    Mr Urquhart provides a less flippant answer, although to my mind it seems like the only convenience is on the provider side, not the consumer, for whom a switch works just as well. I hope they are also controllable by switches at least. Phones as universal devices for all sorts of things make a lot of sense, and has many great possibilities, but there are many things we just do not need apps for.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    BudG said:

    Suppose Corbyn survives and we return to the status quo, with no split, but not enough Labour MP's willing to take front bench oposition roles. Would it be constitutionally allowable for him to offer positions on the opposition front bench and even shadow cabinet to SNP MP's?

    Not suggesting it would be a good move, just wondering if it would be possible.

    I’d have thought Labour peers would be the first port of call – But with Corbyn? who knows..
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    kle4 said:

    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?

    Mr Urquhart provides a less flippant answer, although to my mind it seems like the only convenience is on the provider side, not the consumer, for whom a switch works just as well. I hope they are also controllable by switches at least. Phones as universal devices for all sorts of things make a lot of sense, and has many great possibilities, but there are many things we just do not need apps for.
    One of the greatest gifts to the intelligence services was the invention and deployment of soft switches in mobile phones. Bless you, nameless hero.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,925
    When are we expecting the governments Brexit plan to be unveiled? Con conference?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    FF43 said:

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    She (I think) is Labour, but has been for less than a year so is ineligible to represent her party under their rules. The branch actually selected someone who couldn't represent them.
    Looks to be a rule particular to the Labour party

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2463/coventry_city_council_local_elections_-_7_may_2015/17 Westwood (UKIP Mark Taylor)

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2722/coventry_city_council_local_election_results_-_5_may_2016/5 Cheylesmore (Con Mark Taylor)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,842
    MattW said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    What an absolute tool.....I just been to Tescos's local....no sign of security.....about 20 people in there...if I was a terrorist....

    Remind they kept this guy, but sacked Tim Marshall...
    I have just been into my local newsagent for a paper and there weren't any armed police in there.

    Fortunately there weren't any terrorists either so I am still alive.

    #chickenlickentrolls #letspointouttargets
    I’ve just spent a happy half hour in the local Majestic Wine Store. Didn’t even think about terrorists.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    We live in a world where light bulbs can be hacked.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36903274

    Why do light bulbs need to be connected to the internet?

    So you can turn them on / off remotely, also the idea is with the internet of things both diagnostics for you and tell you when your bulb is going to go / has gone, order you a new one etc etc etc.

    The companies see this as a huge opportunity on the data collection side. They will be able to get automated collection of failure rates of products, how they are used in the home, etc etc etc.
    And insurance companies can tell when and how often your house is empty and so on (and they already use similar technology on cars).

    The fear of course is that these things will be hacked so you'll have burglars knowing when you are out for an evening at the opera, and ISIL hackers overdosing patients via IOT-connected drug pumps.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,266
    edited July 2016
    kle4 said:

    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?

    Mr Urquhart provides a less flippant answer, although to my mind it seems like the only convenience is on the provider side, not the consumer, for whom a switch works just as well. I hope they are also controllable by switches at least. Phones as universal devices for all sorts of things make a lot of sense, and has many great possibilities, but there are many things we just do not need apps for.
    It seems that way to me, but a number of big companies seem to think the public really will buy into this.

    The drones stuff from the other day is similar. Companies believe they can sell us that x via drone is better, but a big driver is the massive value for them is all the data they can collect by flying a fleet of drones day in day out (a lot of which doesn't need to be the core business).
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    You missed Jamie's previous tweet: David Coburn has called the named person ruling a "major victory" for UKIP Scotland. Huge, if true.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    King Cole, you're lucky Martin Brunt wasn't there. He could have killed you all.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308

    Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).

    It's a bit like Pokémon-Go, Mr Dancer!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,972
    GIN1138 said:

    When are we expecting the governments Brexit plan to be unveiled? Con conference?

    2022
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    MattW said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    What an absolute tool.....I just been to Tescos's local....no sign of security.....about 20 people in there...if I was a terrorist....

    Remind they kept this guy, but sacked Tim Marshall...
    I have just been into my local newsagent for a paper and there weren't any armed police in there.

    Fortunately there weren't any terrorists either so I am still alive.

    #chickenlickentrolls #letspointouttargets
    I’ve just spent a happy half hour in the local Majestic Wine Store. Didn’t even think about terrorists.
    Your first sentence should have read 'I've just spent a happy half hour in the local Majestic Wine Store, despite the Brexit vote'.

    The alternative form of 'I've just spent a happy half hour in the local Majestic Wine Store - if I had been a terrorist I could have killed them all', would also be acceptable.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    kle4 said:

    Mr. kle4, but that simply leads to a paraphrased repetition: why do light bulbs need to be controlled via an app?

    Mr Urquhart provides a less flippant answer, although to my mind it seems like the only convenience is on the provider side, not the consumer, for whom a switch works just as well. I hope they are also controllable by switches at least. Phones as universal devices for all sorts of things make a lot of sense, and has many great possibilities, but there are many things we just do not need apps for.
    It seems that way to me, but a number of big companies seem to think the public really will buy into this.
    That will depend entirely on the price I suspect - the public will go for what is convenient and what is affordable, preferably both. If something is expensive but very convenient it might get picked up. Since these don't seem to provide much benefit to the user, they will have to at least not be inconvenient in price.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,972
    edited July 2016
    Re Internet light switches:

    I have a couple of Amazon Echos, some internet connected lights and have also attached a couple of IR blasters to Raspberry Pis. This means that I can: say "Alexa, turn my bedside lamp off" or "Alexa, turn the projector on".

    It's really very cool, and genuinely useful (especially if you're carrying things.)

    Edit to add: I can also say "Alexa, turn all the downstairs lights off".
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,308
    rcs1000 said:

    Re Internet light switches:

    I have a couple of Amazon Echos, some internet connected lights and have also attached a couple of IR blasters to Raspberry Pis. This means that I can: "Alexa, turn my bedside lamp off" or "Alexa, turn the projector on".

    It's really very cool, and genuinely useful (especially if you're carrying things.)

    "Open the pod bay doors, Alexa!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).

    I believe you can get printers which can automatically order new toner if you are running low now.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    Pulpstar said:

    FF43 said:

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    She (I think) is Labour, but has been for less than a year so is ineligible to represent her party under their rules. The branch actually selected someone who couldn't represent them.
    Looks to be a rule particular to the Labour party

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2463/coventry_city_council_local_elections_-_7_may_2015/17 Westwood (UKIP Mark Taylor)

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2722/coventry_city_council_local_election_results_-_5_may_2016/5 Cheylesmore (Con Mark Taylor)
    Forgive me, how do you know how long they were members from that?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,451
    rcs1000 said:

    Re Internet light switches:

    I have a couple of Amazon Echos, some internet connected lights and have also attached a couple of IR blasters to Raspberry Pis. This means that I can: "Alexa, turn my bedside lamp off" or "Alexa, turn the projector on".

    It's really very cool, and genuinely useful (especially if you're carrying things.)

    It would suck if your wife's name was Alexa.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,720
    GIN1138 said:

    When are we expecting the governments Brexit plan to be unveiled? Con conference?

    The government has a Brexit plan???
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523
    I'm amazed the IND candidate wasn't told they were ineligible to stand as LAB.

    Almost as if there is are some communication difficulties in the party.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    The situation is confused.

    One story is that the Constituency Labour Party chair is claiming than the Labour candidate is Alex Mockridge, the Independent, as she couldn't run under Labour label, being a member for less than a year

    Another story is that the CLP meeting used the time to debate Corbyn instead of agreeing a candidate.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Idea... if the May 2017 election produces results as per:

    Con 385
    Lab 165
    SNP 55
    Others 35

    And Labour are still a mess with Corbyn still in charge but unable to get a Shadow Cabinet together, still less a full front bench...

    What's to stop the Tories spinning off an "Opposition Conservatives" party?

    :)
  • Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).

    Also you cannot lose a light switch wheras you can lose a mobile phone
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,863

    GIN1138 said:

    When are we expecting the governments Brexit plan to be unveiled? Con conference?

    The government has a Brexit plan???
    It's working on it now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,723
    edited July 2016
    BudG said:

    Suppose Corbyn survives and we return to the status quo, with no split, but not enough Labour MP's willing to take front bench oposition roles. Would it be constitutionally allowable for him to offer positions on the opposition front bench and even shadow cabinet to SNP MP's?

    Not suggesting it would be a good move, just wondering if it would be possible.

    SLabbers are currently going mental because some London Labourite has vaguely touted a parliamentary alliance with the SNP. The prospect of SNP MPs taking up shadow cabinet positions would cause mass seppukus north of the border. Whether London Labour would consider that a bad thing..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,972
    Random other Amazon Echo story.

    I noticed by daughter was racing through her maths homework in no time. Had I bred a maths genius?

    No. She'd just discovered that she could ask "Alexa, what's 144 divided by 12".
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,972

    rcs1000 said:

    Re Internet light switches:

    I have a couple of Amazon Echos, some internet connected lights and have also attached a couple of IR blasters to Raspberry Pis. This means that I can: "Alexa, turn my bedside lamp off" or "Alexa, turn the projector on".

    It's really very cool, and genuinely useful (especially if you're carrying things.)

    It would suck if your wife's name was Alexa.
    You can change the keyword, I believe :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523

    Pulpstar said:

    FF43 said:

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    She (I think) is Labour, but has been for less than a year so is ineligible to represent her party under their rules. The branch actually selected someone who couldn't represent them.
    Looks to be a rule particular to the Labour party

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2463/coventry_city_council_local_elections_-_7_may_2015/17 Westwood (UKIP Mark Taylor)

    http://www.coventry.gov.uk/info/8/elections_and_voting/2722/coventry_city_council_local_election_results_-_5_may_2016/5 Cheylesmore (Con Mark Taylor)
    Forgive me, how do you know how long they were members from that?
    Well the gap between elections was less than a year, and Mark Taylor stood as UKIP in 2015 and CON in 2016 - so obviously there is no rule for the Conservatives that you need to be a member for at least a year in order to stand for election. There doesn't seem to be in the Lib Dems either - hence I'm musing that it is a rule that is particular to the Labour party.
  • Jihadi Elephants stoning tourist to death now.

    http://dailym.ai/2abLMHu
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    I sometimes wonder if the politics of the south west should be treated as distinct as those of Scotland. It moves to its own tunes.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    Re Internet light switches:

    I have a couple of Amazon Echos, some internet connected lights and have also attached a couple of IR blasters to Raspberry Pis. This means that I can: say "Alexa, turn my bedside lamp off" or "Alexa, turn the projector on".

    It's really very cool, and genuinely useful (especially if you're carrying things.)

    Edit to add: I can also say "Alexa, turn all the downstairs lights off".

    I've converted to all LED lighting, but my only other compromise with modernity is a motion sensor in the kitchen that automagically turns the under-cupboard LED strips on when I shuffle down in the middle of the night.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,523

    Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    I sometimes wonder if the politics of the south west should be treated as distinct as those of Scotland. It moves to its own tunes.
    I think so - we need more polls like the Comres regional.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).

    It means that if you are in Tokyo, you can turn on the bedroom lights back home in Weybridge in order to disconcert the burglars.

    Seems rather a good plan, but I see bulbs are over £50 a pop atm. Will re investigate next year.
  • Totnes (South Hams) result:
    LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
    GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
    IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
    CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
    Labour didn't stand.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour.

    Lib Dem GAIN from Labour

    Was the IND ex-LAB?
    The situation is confused.

    One story is that the Constituency Labour Party chair is claiming than the Labour candidate is Alex Mockridge, the Independent, as she couldn't run under Labour label, being a member for less than a year

    Another story is that the CLP meeting used the time to debate Corbyn instead of agreeing a candidate.
    Good grief. It really is amateur hour in the CLPs and PLP at the moment.

    Or maybe the Lib Dem fightback is ON!

    On another note, if you get the chance to watch back any of the keynote speeches from last night's DNC, then Joe Biden's is worth a watch. Appealing to the rust belt/blue collar voters - brilliant speaker.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    Contains NSFW language but wow from Martin Brunt of Sky News

    https://twitter.com/BobbyFaghihi/status/758597388776898560

    Summary for those of us without the ability to watch it at work?
    You won't believe the summary.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. kle4, 'tis witchcraft.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,587
    Mr. X, my parents used to have an automatic timer that did that. In the 1980s.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Jihadi Elephants stoning tourist to death now.

    http://dailym.ai/2abLMHu

    Seven year old girl killed in accident. What a very amusing post.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited July 2016
    Dromedary said:

    Alistair said:

    Well I had never heard of this named person thing before today.

    What an astonishing load of nanny state bollox. Have they not got better things to do? Interfering busybodies' wet dream!

    Have you read the actual legislation rather than the inaccurate summaries that groups who disapprove of sex outside marriage have put together?
    You sound as if you're using the assimilation method. I've read the legislation. Interesting that it wouldn't apply to children attending private schools, i.e. most children from rich families.
    Yes it does.

    Q. How will independent schools be supported to comply with their
    duties in the Act?
    A. The duties in the Act fall on individual school proprietors and it will be for these
    individual employers to ensure that their staff are appropriately trained to carry out
    the statutory functions which apply to them. This will include provision of the Named
    Person role as outlined in the Act. As children and young people move between the
    independent and state sectors in education, we would encourage CPPs and
    independent schools to share training on common issues where appropriate.
    The Scottish Government is providing support and advice on training to all
    stakeholder groups, including the independent school sector in partnership with
    Scottish Council for Independent Schools ( SCIS). There are materials available via
    the website and e newsletter. The statutory guidance will be published in 2015 in
    advance of the commencement of the Act.
    Q. Who will provide the Named Person service for children
    attending an independent school?
    A. In all cases, the independent school will have a duty to provide the Named Person.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,171

    Idea... if the May 2017 election produces results as per:

    Con 385
    Lab 165
    SNP 55
    Others 35

    And Labour are still a mess with Corbyn still in charge but unable to get a Shadow Cabinet together, still less a full front bench...

    What's to stop the Tories spinning off an "Opposition Conservatives" party?

    :)

    Too clever by three quarters.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    @theJeremyVine: Have you been dumped by your partner and they blamed Brexit?
    @BBCRadio2 we are talking about #Brexcuse - people blaming everything on Brexit

    Well, eight people defriended me on Facebook.

    Does that count?
    Eight people de friended you because u supported Leave? That crazy, I've heard this happen to other people and its always Remainiacs de friending Leavers, how is it the msm have made us out to be the intolerant stupid ones?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    I have just spent the morning unprotected in my own home but with the television on. Will Martin Brunt come down the internet wires and attack me?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,972
    Ishmael_X said:

    Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong century.

    Surely: use a light switch. If the bulb fails, put in a new one. If there aren't many left, buy more.

    I see no need for the insertion of the interweb at any stage (perhaps excepting the purchasing part).

    It means that if you are in Tokyo, you can turn on the bedroom lights back home in Weybridge in order to disconcert the burglars.

    Seems rather a good plan, but I see bulbs are over £50 a pop atm. Will re investigate next year.
    I was on a business trip about a year ago. Awake at some ungodly hour, I decided to VPN into the home network and to do some development on our home automation system. (I built it myself.)

    Five minutes later I get a panicked call from my wife, as all the lights in the house kept turning on and off. And it was freaking her out. She was particularly cross as it was 2am and I'd managed to wake the kids too.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    BudG said:

    Suppose Corbyn survives and we return to the status quo, with no split, but not enough Labour MP's willing to take front bench oposition roles. Would it be constitutionally allowable for him to offer positions on the opposition front bench and even shadow cabinet to SNP MP's?

    Not suggesting it would be a good move, just wondering if it would be possible.

    As long as they are willing to take the whip.
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