FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
The outrage should be that Byron didn't do their checks properly to begin with.
From what I understand they asked for and were presented all the documents required, but they have turned out to be fake. Now how good these fakes are and how proactive Byron were in ensuring that all staff were above board is a different matter.
Florida leans Trump, Trump leads the state in the RCP average and Ohio is almost neck and neck. Pennsylvania has a bigger Clinton lead but she only leads it by about 3%. Given Romney only lost Florida by about 1% but nationally by 3% it should go for Trump and Trump won it in the primaries. I would agree a rustbelt strategy alone is not enough but with Florida it is more than enough. Looking at present polling and with Hillary having relatively comfortable leads in Colorado and Virginia, Pennsylvania is this year's key state not Florida or Ohio
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
Mr. Eek, I'm aware it's basically identical in structure, although this was a magical creation (I forget which element) where the world had been split asunder into various elemental realms.
For that matter, the world of Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is, I think, concave.
Mr. kle4, I really like it too [although it does hold the record for the longest gap between me buying books in a series. About 16 years between Dragonwing and Elven Star]. A character in my WIP got the name Hugh after Hugh the Hand.
It was the element of fire - I believe it was actually 4 small Suns in the middle of a giant sphere, no nighttime. One world, Earth, was entirely in rocky caverns surrounded by ice (with giant columns which provided heat). Water was like a big bowl full of breathable liquid. Air was a series of floating lands (water was supposed to be pumped magically up from below).
It was very odd how the 'magiv' constructed each world.
At the centre was the intended home of the 'good' guys who split the universe, and the world sized labyrinthine prison for their enemies.
My favourite part of that series though was actually this revolutionary dwarf leader who hot gotten all mean and racist (with reason to be honest), and he lost his glasses and stumbled upon a meeting of the true bad guys of the story, who were shapeshifter but he didn't realise it, and he go all inspired by this vision of people of all races working together. Ha.
A pretty unique fantasy tale, to be honest.
I'd never heard that about Game of Thrones - I had an audio CD version of the first book which claimed the irregular winter cycle of the world was the result of a great event thousands of years ago, but I've never seen it repeated, so I think the producer of the CD was making things up.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having utilised their services for many years.
#boycottbyron
Because they complied with law enforcement officers?
We should make a point of going to Byron.
I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.
I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.
If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.
This is a profound change.
Indeed. But in which case labour is doomed. The millions of 'normal' electorate will always trump the hundreds of thousands max of activists.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having utilised their services for many years.
#boycottbyron
Because they complied with law enforcement officers?
We should make a point of going to Byron.
I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.
Lol, I'm planning a group visit with colleagues on Friday now, we normally go to Honest off Liverpool Street.
Never underestimate the ability of idiots on twatter to virtue signal.
Mr. F, compliance with the police is betrayal of the proletariat! Laws are the oppressive weapons of the capitalist overlords!
Mr. kle4, yeah, earth and fire always seemed the wrong way around to me, given all the lava in the former.
*cough* Can't be 'pretty' unique. Unique means singularly distinctive, a one-off.
The CD story might be true. I'm wary of both spoilers and my own fuzzy memory, but there was a clash thousands of years ago, I think, which led to the Wall and certain things being on one side of it.
Check the opening sequence of the TV series. The world is definitely portrayed as concave and I think I saw that said elsewhere.
I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.
If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.
This is a profound change.
Is it a profound change? MPs belong to political parties which campaign and are elected on manifestos. The question seems to be one of degree rather than principle.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
So the immigration official comes to the management and says, "we want you to do this". What is their likely response?
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.
If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.
This is a profound change.
Well, it certainly would have changed the pre-2015 parliamentary career of JC himself.
I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.
If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.
This is a profound change.
Is it a profound change? MPs belong to political parties which campaign and are elected on manifestos. The question seems to be one of degree rather than principle.
Yeah but those manifestos are based on what gets you elected. Hence Milibands fabled 35% strategy.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
I suspect that some local manager was told "make sure X, Y and Z are in at 9:30am on such-and-such-a-day" but wasn't told why and so he came up with his own wheeze to ensure it.
I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.
If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.
This is a profound change.
Is it a profound change? MPs belong to political parties which campaign and are elected on manifestos. The question seems to be one of degree rather than principle.
Yeah but those manifestos are based on what gets you elected. Hence Milibands fabled 35% strategy.
This is a 25% Max strategy, and only that due to the residual Labour brand, and the value fo that is being tarnished day by day.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having utilised their services for many years.
#boycottbyron
Because they complied with law enforcement officers?
We should make a point of going to Byron.
I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.
I'm not surprised. Twitter mob would view it as persecuting vulnerable migrants and therefore a bit racial.
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I also like how they call Byron upmarket. It's in the same price bracket as Nandos. I'd hardly call that upmarket.
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I thought the name was familiar - I've been quite pleased at the rise of better quality burgeries in recent years, previously round my way it was horrible burgers (which sometimes you want, I love a McDonald's sometimes). How are Byron's?
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I also like how they call Byron upmarket. It's in the same price bracket as Nandos. I'd hardly call that upmarket.
I have to say I thought that was weird. £10-12 or so for a burger is what lots of pubs charge these days. Maybe all these journos only eat at McDs and Weatherspoons...cough cough...bullshit...
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I also like how they call Byron upmarket. It's in the same price bracket as Nandos. I'd hardly call that upmarket.
I believe Cameron was a fan of Nando's - if somewhere an Old Etonian eats is not upmarket, I don't know what is.
Regarding Byron Burgers... I know the manager at the local branch to my office where my team regularly lunches (the burgers are *really* good) Not sure if it's been resolved yet, but H&S (Scotland) had forced them to stop cooking the burgers medium for the usual nonsense reasons.
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I also like how they call Byron upmarket. It's in the same price bracket as Nandos. I'd hardly call that upmarket.
I believe Cameron was a fan of Nando's - if somewhere an Old Etonian eats is not upmarket, I don't know what is.
He also shopped (once) in Morrisons.....which is most definitely ain't upmarket around my way.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having been Osborne's posh late night burger of choice, whilst he worked on new ways to screw the poor, probably didn't endear them to a deranged leftie hate mob anyway....!
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having been Osborne's posh late night burger of choice, whilst he worked on new ways to screw the poor, probably didn't endear them to a deranged leftie hate mob anyway....!
Just because you don't like Osborne, there is no need to post outright lies.
"FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers,"
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
Do you not remember the storm in a Styrofoam carton, of Osborne tweeting a picture with him saying something working late on the budget. And the media went nuts because it was a burger from this chain, rather than one of the 99p menu at McDs.
I also like how they call Byron upmarket. It's in the same price bracket as Nandos. I'd hardly call that upmarket.
I believe Cameron was a fan of Nando's - if somewhere an Old Etonian eats is not upmarket, I don't know what is.
He also shopped (once) in Morrisons.....which is most definitely ain't upmarket around my way.
Sure, once for the cameras, but Nando's he's a regular I hear!
I must say that made me warm to Cameron, along with his enjoyment of my favourite favour of Pringles - that's how you decide if a politician is decent or not, or a man of the people.
In the last two years my daughter has worked two ZHCs. She's found them very suitable. Through her I've met others on ZHCs. They seem to like them. However, none of them were the primary breadwinner. They seem to suit p/t students, youngish mums and the semi-retired.
Re: Byron, if compliance with law is now optional, I'll let my local hunt know. They'll be delighted.
Lastly, on wages etc in the provinces. I used to work in Holborn (for DEC). I moved to Wales to be with the woman I loved, and made a conscious decision that I was going to be poorer and achieve less in return for a better family life. Never regretted it. Life isn't just about accumulating money.
Regarding Byron Burgers... I know the manager at the local branch to my office where my team regularly lunches (the burgers are *really* good) Not sure if it's been resolved yet, but H&S (Scotland) had forced them to stop cooking the burgers medium for the usual nonsense reasons.
Ffs - really? Burgers only taste nice if still pink...
Rampaging British passenger punches three police officers to the floor at German airport after his wife is knocked over by staff when the couple complained about flight delays
Regarding Byron Burgers... I know the manager at the local branch to my office where my team regularly lunches (the burgers are *really* good) Not sure if it's been resolved yet, but H&S (Scotland) had forced them to stop cooking the burgers medium for the usual nonsense reasons.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
Re: Byron, if compliance with law is now optional, I'll let my local hunt know. They'll be delighted.
Byrons weren't complying with the law insofar as they were using illegal workers. However you cut it, Byrons aren't the good guys here. On the ruse to lure these workers to a fake training day, that is complying with the authorities, not with the law. In a free society, we should maintain that distinction.
ZHC are fine providing the employer is well organised and communicates effectively.
Many exist because the employer cannot be sure of how busy their trade will be, and because they have finite contracts with sponsors often including public sector bodies.
Re: Byron, if compliance with law is now optional, I'll let my local hunt know. They'll be delighted.
Byrons weren't complying with the law insofar as they were using illegal workers. However you cut it, Byrons aren't the good guys here. On the ruse to lure these workers to a fake training day, that is complying with the authorities, not with the law. In a free society, we should maintain that distinction.
So we shouldn't comply with the authorities? Or we should, but there are there degrees of compliance? How do we know if we're complying too much or too little?
I do like the BBC headline quote from Obama's speech: 'We'll carry Clinton to victory'. While fine in context, given despite her having some fans we all know some on the left are less than enthusiastic about her, I cannot help but read it as 'We'll carry her to victory, because god knows she won't get there without us carrying her'.
ZHC are fine providing the employer is well organised and communicates effectively.
Many exist because the employer cannot be sure of how busy their trade will be, and because they have finite contracts with sponsors often including public sector bodies.
Simplest example I have is some of our local pubs in tourist season. They get busier during the season (which means planned rotas with permanent staff), but sunny weather can triple the footfall (which means pulling in people on ZHCs).
Re: Byron, if compliance with law is now optional, I'll let my local hunt know. They'll be delighted.
Byrons weren't complying with the law insofar as they were using illegal workers. However you cut it, Byrons aren't the good guys here. On the ruse to lure these workers to a fake training day, that is complying with the authorities, not with the law. In a free society, we should maintain that distinction.
So we shouldn't comply with the authorities? Or we should, but there are there degrees of compliance? How do we know if we're complying too much or too little?
Half the posters on pb are lawyers. You give one of them a call. And (with hindsight) your PR team.
'I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.'
There are thousands of idiots out there waiting patiently to be outraged about something,what it is doesn't really matter.
I had never heard of this chain, but have googled my local one and will definitely give it a try.
Regarding Byron Burgers... I know the manager at the local branch to my office where my team regularly lunches (the burgers are *really* good) Not sure if it's been resolved yet, but H&S (Scotland) had forced them to stop cooking the burgers medium for the usual nonsense reasons.
Ffs - really? Burgers only taste nice if still pink...
In theory it's a nationwide environmental health policy.
I see in the Cricket Kusal Mendis is in with a shout of breaking the oldest record in Cricket - highest percentage of team runs scored by one player in an innings, still held by Charles Bannerman in 1877 in Test No.1.
I do like the BBC headline quote from Obama's speech: 'We'll carry Clinton to victory'. While fine in context, given despite her having some fans we all know some on the left are less than enthusiastic about her, I cannot help but read it as 'We'll carry her to victory, because god knows she won't get there without us carrying her'.
@georgeeaton: Court ruling today at 2pm on whether Corbyn needs nominations to be on the ballot.
Could be absolutely seismic! But probably the court will not get in the way.
If the ruling goes against him, do Labour get lumbered with Owen Smith?
Surely labour would have to restart the leadership contest again, in accordance with and with all participants having knowledge of what the rules mean? Once all routes of appeal are exhausted.
@georgeeaton: Court ruling today at 2pm on whether Corbyn needs nominations to be on the ballot.
Could be absolutely seismic! But probably the court will not get in the way.
If the ruling goes against him, do Labour get lumbered with Owen Smith?
Surely labour would have to restart the leadership contest again, in accordance with and with all participants having knowledge of what the rules mean? Once all routes of appeal are exhausted.
This could mean that some of my actual bets get into the race e.g. Jarvis. But I doubt the court will meddle in NEC business.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having been Osborne's posh late night burger of choice, whilst he worked on new ways to screw the poor, probably didn't endear them to a deranged leftie hate mob anyway....!
Just because you don't like Osborne, there is no need to post outright lies.
I meant in the leftie mob's eyes! I don't think he sat there finding ways to screw the poor! !
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
So the immigration official comes to the management and says, "we want you to do this". What is their likely response?
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
They should be heavily fined in any case.
I wonder how many other sets of 'false papers' are circulating in London, and how much effort employers like this make to check them.
@BBCPhilipSim: Breaking: The Supreme Court has ruled that the Scottish Government's Named Person scheme is "unlawful".
Really? That's a surprise, the article on the BBC earlier summarizing the Court of Session's dismissal of the challenge previously made it sound like an unlikely win, as they seemed pretty curt in their dismissal.
"On the ruse to lure these workers to a fake training day."
I've heard of this before. Did you ever see the US TV programme 'Bait Car'? They left a car in an area with lots of car thefts. It was fitted with immobilisers and video recorders. When the thieves got in and started driving ... Bingo! Caught red-handed.
It's called called pro-active policing (or entrapment if you're a Guardian reader).
Perhaps we could do something similar here? Advertise a fake travel agency offering free trips to Syria. Once they apply, we genuinely send them off to ISIS. There to perish in a Putin bombing raid. The Guardian would love it. Or we could de-radicalise them? Either way is fine.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
So the immigration official comes to the management and says, "we want you to do this". What is their likely response?
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
They should be heavily fined in any case.
I wonder how many other sets of 'false papers' are circulating in London, and how much effort employers like this make to check them.
Are you an expert in such matters? How many counterfeit £1.00 coins have you held and failed to report to the police/ BoE as you are required to do?
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
Having utilised their services for many years.
#boycottbyron
Because they complied with law enforcement officers?
We should make a point of going to Byron.
I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.
Lol, I'm planning a group visit with colleagues on Friday now, we normally go to Honest off Liverpool Street.
Never underestimate the ability of idiots on twatter to virtue signal.
Most internet effusions are virtue signalling, even (or particularly) a bunch of 'like-minded' folks praising a law abiding company and excoriating ghastly lefties.
@BBCPhilipSim: Breaking: The Supreme Court has ruled that the Scottish Government's Named Person scheme is "unlawful".
Really? That's a surprise, the article on the BBC earlier summarizing the Court of Session's dismissal of the challenge previously made it sound like an unlikely win, as they seemed pretty curt in their dismissal.
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
So the immigration official comes to the management and says, "we want you to do this". What is their likely response?
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
They should be heavily fined in any case.
I wonder how many other sets of 'false papers' are circulating in London, and how much effort employers like this make to check them.
Are you an expert in such matters? How many counterfeit £1.00 coins have you held and failed to report to the police/ BoE as you are required to do?
FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.
It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):
To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.
Well can you imagine the headlines if they decided not to comply? "Byron facing millions in fines for hiring illegal workers, directors facing prison". The outrage bus is full, as always, is full of virtue signalling fools.
I'm not sure that setting up a fake training day doesn't go above and beyond compliance with the law. If the American election teaches us anything, it is that both sides can be pretty ropey.
So the immigration official comes to the management and says, "we want you to do this". What is their likely response?
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
They should be heavily fined in any case.
I wonder how many other sets of 'false papers' are circulating in London, and how much effort employers like this make to check them.
Are you an expert in such matters? How many counterfeit £1.00 coins have you held and failed to report to the police/ BoE as you are required to do?
Uttering False Coin. The outrage.
Wasn't so long ago you got disemboweled alive for that as it was deemed as High Treason.
[I did prefer the Law Lords. Sounded nice and medieval, rather than aping America].
Ditto. I prefer to still refer to them informally as the Law Lords (since that was an informal term anyway)
I quite liked Owen's idea of a Ministry of Labour. It has a muscular yet retro sound to it. We should definitely bring back the Law Lords. I browsed through the list of defunct Government departments, and would also like to see:
The Ministry of Power The Ministry of Production The War Office [Now with added nukes!] The Northern Department
Nick Earley Scottish Government's Named Persons policy unlawful, UK Supreme Court rules
What is this policy about?
Nationalising Children.
Basically if you have a child you get audited by the Social Workers five times a year (by them coming round your house and interrogating you) and every child is allocated their own social worker.
Basically the state owns them and parents have them under sufference.
Even the BNP have never come up with anything like that.
Unsurprisingly "Judges said the proposals breach rights to privacy and a family life under the European Convention on Human Rights. The court has given the Scottish government 42 days to rectify the legislation"
Nick Earley Scottish Government's Named Persons policy unlawful, UK Supreme Court rules
What is this policy about?
Nationalising Children. Basically if you have a child you get audited by the Social Workers five times a year (by them coming round your house and interrogating you) and every child is allocated their own social worker.
Basically the state owns them and parents have them under sufference.
Even the BNP have never come up with anything like that.
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It was very odd how the 'magiv' constructed each world.
At the centre was the intended home of the 'good' guys who split the universe, and the world sized labyrinthine prison for their enemies.
My favourite part of that series though was actually this revolutionary dwarf leader who hot gotten all mean and racist (with reason to be honest), and he lost his glasses and stumbled upon a meeting of the true bad guys of the story, who were shapeshifter but he didn't realise it, and he go all inspired by this vision of people of all races working together. Ha.
A pretty unique fantasy tale, to be honest.
I'd never heard that about Game of Thrones - I had an audio CD version of the first book which claimed the irregular winter cycle of the world was the result of a great event thousands of years ago, but I've never seen it repeated, so I think the producer of the CD was making things up.
I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.
It's simply illogical.
Never underestimate the ability of idiots on twatter to virtue signal.
Mr. kle4, yeah, earth and fire always seemed the wrong way around to me, given all the lava in the former.
*cough* Can't be 'pretty' unique. Unique means singularly distinctive, a one-off.
The CD story might be true. I'm wary of both spoilers and my own fuzzy memory, but there was a clash thousands of years ago, I think, which led to the Wall and certain things being on one side of it.
Check the opening sequence of the TV series. The world is definitely portrayed as concave and I think I saw that said elsewhere.
Imagine the alternative, raids while they are working and there are people in the restaurant, investigations over whether the checks were done properly, unlimited fines, possible jail time for store managers or directors? Mad.
PS - you WILL declare the revenue to HMRC won't you - unlike, I suspect, 90% of the people earning the money.
I've never heard of them before but all publicity is good publicity, so I'll try one next time I'm in London.
This is a 25% Max strategy.
Mark Wallace
Guessing @tobyperkinsmp has been hacked. Or he really has changed his bio to "sexy model" and had some radical surgery.
Next!
I know the manager at the local branch to my office where my team regularly lunches (the burgers are *really* good)
Not sure if it's been resolved yet, but H&S (Scotland) had forced them to stop cooking the burgers medium for the usual nonsense reasons.
Could one of the illegal immigrants tweet some virtue-signallers thanking them for their support and making plans to move their family in with them?
Put your money where your mouth is?
I must say that made me warm to Cameron, along with his enjoyment of my favourite favour of Pringles - that's how you decide if a politician is decent or not, or a man of the people.
In the last two years my daughter has worked two ZHCs. She's found them very suitable. Through her I've met others on ZHCs. They seem to like them. However, none of them were the primary breadwinner. They seem to suit p/t students, youngish mums and the semi-retired.
Re: Byron, if compliance with law is now optional, I'll let my local hunt know. They'll be delighted.
Lastly, on wages etc in the provinces. I used to work in Holborn (for DEC). I moved to Wales to be with the woman I loved, and made a conscious decision that I was going to be poorer and achieve less in return for a better family life. Never regretted it. Life isn't just about accumulating money.
Asking for a friend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3711452/British-air-passenger-38-batters-police-officers-Frankfurt-shocking-brawl-caught-camera-Polish-rap-star-Schwesta-Ewa.html
Surprised he wasn't shot.
Many exist because the employer cannot be sure of how busy their trade will be, and because they have finite contracts with sponsors often including public sector bodies.
'I was initially surprised that the twitter mob would be unhappy at Byron's employing illegal immigrants, but now I see they're unhappy that Byron obeyed the law.'
There are thousands of idiots out there waiting patiently to be outraged about something,what it is doesn't really matter.
I had never heard of this chain, but have googled my local one and will definitely give it a try.
http://www.thetrollspantry.co.uk/2013/11/11/undercooked-burgers-the-facts/
"I had faith in America... The country that made my story possible... I am more optimistic about the future of America than ever before."
https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/758506972249456640
https://twitter.com/AG_Conservative/status/758514965447749632
I wonder how many other sets of 'false papers' are circulating in London, and how much effort employers like this make to check them.
Scottish Government's Named Persons policy unlawful, UK Supreme Court rules
"On the ruse to lure these workers to a fake training day."
I've heard of this before. Did you ever see the US TV programme 'Bait Car'? They left a car in an area with lots of car thefts. It was fitted with immobilisers and video recorders. When the thieves got in and started driving ... Bingo! Caught red-handed.
It's called called pro-active policing (or entrapment if you're a Guardian reader).
Perhaps we could do something similar here? Advertise a fake travel agency offering free trips to Syria. Once they apply, we genuinely send them off to ISIS. There to perish in a Putin bombing raid. The Guardian would love it. Or we could de-radicalise them? Either way is fine.
Evil British Supreme Court.
[I did prefer the Law Lords. Sounded nice and medieval, rather than aping America].
Go on Nicola, make our day, have a referendum on indepenence over the tartan Schutzstaffel
Clearer statement that any advice from a Named Person is advice only, not direction. Stronger controls on the threshold for information sharing.
Wasn't so long ago you got disemboweled alive for that as it was deemed as High Treason.
The Ministry of Power
The Ministry of Production
The War Office [Now with added nukes!]
The Northern Department
Basically if you have a child you get audited by the Social Workers five times a year (by them coming round your house and interrogating you) and every child is allocated their own social worker.
Basically the state owns them and parents have them under sufference.
Even the BNP have never come up with anything like that.
Unsurprisingly "Judges said the proposals breach rights to privacy and a family life under the European Convention on Human Rights. The court has given the Scottish government 42 days to rectify the legislation"