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Keiran is joined by two specialist political pollsters: Katy Owen, formerly a Senior Project Manager at Survation and now Programme Manager at Common Vision and Adam Drummond, Head of Political Polling at Opinium.

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MyBurningEars

Wot, no TV? Outrageous.

Oh, and First like an unusually slimy entrant in a snail race (since there is no political race going on right now I could whole-heartedly endorse in, you'll have to make do with a political simile instead).

Speedy

Some Breaking News is coming out, things about to make a turn for the worse for the DNC scandal:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/758453324588908544

Goodnight.

CarlottaVance

Speedy said:

Some Breaking News is coming out, things about to make a turn for the worse for the DNC scandal:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/758453324588908544

Goodnight.

And there is absolutely no truth that Putin wants Trump.......

CarlottaVance

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

nunu

My prediction. Lol.

http://www.270towin.com

nunu

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Dromedary

Google News Search for "Clinton" and "Trump" over the past 30 days:

nunu

Dromedary said:

Google News Search for "Clinton" and "Trump" over the past 30 days:

I remember Leave constantly being ahead of Remain in Google search terms.

AndyJS

nunu said:

My prediction. Lol.

http://www.270towin.com

I don't think we can see your prediction because the website resets it for each person who views the page.

Dromedary

nunu said:

Dromedary said:

Google News Search for "Clinton" and "Trump" over the past 30 days:

I remember Leave constantly being ahead of Remain in Google search terms.

The graph plots the number of times that the names have appeared in stories on news sites that Google is aware of.

nunu

AndyJS said:

nunu said:

My prediction. Lol.

http://www.270towin.com

I don't think we can see your prediction because the website resets it for each person who views the page.

Oh lol.....it was showing how both could get to 269 there are about 2 realistic paths to that.

nunu

http://wontvotehillary.com

https://nevertrump.com

Only 53,000 have pledged Never Trump, whereas Never Hillary has 131,000 pledges.

CarlottaVance

nunu said:

http://wontvotehillary.com

https://nevertrump.com

Only 53,000 have pledged Never Trump, whereas Never Hillary has 131,000 pledges.

Beware the difference between the online world, where PM Miliband is negotiating Scottish independence with FM Salmond .....and the real world....

CarlottaVance

Looks like Trump is doubling down on his tax returns:

http://fortune.com/2016/07/27/donald-trump-not-releasing-taxes/

MTimT

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Amazingly, that is identical to what I came up with before seeing yours. Every single state the same.

MTimT

CarlottaVance said:

nunu said:

http://wontvotehillary.com

https://nevertrump.com

Only 53,000 have pledged Never Trump, whereas Never Hillary has 131,000 pledges.

Beware the difference between the online world, where PM Miliband is negotiating Scottish independence with FM Salmond .....and the real world....

Beware angry voters. They come out in higher percentages than the contented.

HappyMcFluffy

nunu said:

AndyJS said:

nunu said:

My prediction. Lol.

http://www.270towin.com

I don't think we can see your prediction because the website resets it for each person who views the page.

Oh lol.....it was showing how both could get to 269 there are about 2 realistic paths to that.

You can press the green Share Map button once you're done, it just gives you a Tinyurl style link back to your map.

Tim_B

The Secret Service code name for Trump is MOGUL. Hillary is EVERGREEN.

nunu

MTimT said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Amazingly, that is identical to what I came up with before seeing yours. Every single state the same.

Do u think wisconsin could go red?

Tim_B

nunu said:

MTimT said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Amazingly, that is identical to what I came up with before seeing yours. Every single state the same.

Do u think wisconsin could go red?

The Wisconsin Cheesemakers Association is backing Trump, in order to "Make America Grate Again".

Charles

Tim_B said:

nunu said:

MTimT said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Amazingly, that is identical to what I came up with before seeing yours. Every single state the same.

Do u think wisconsin could go red?

The Wisconsin Cheesemakers Association is backing Trump, in order to "Make America Grate Again".

Didn't they just win "cheese of the year"
On a roll!

david_herdson

Tim_B said:

The Secret Service code name for Trump is MOGUL. Hillary is EVERGREEN.

Surely Hillary already had one?

MTimT

nunu said:

MTimT said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

Amazingly, that is identical to what I came up with before seeing yours. Every single state the same.

Do u think wisconsin could go red?

Unlikely, unless it is a real wave election for Trump.

Walker did well there to win two elections and a recall, but if you recall, it was an ABT state. I think it is highly likely to go Hillary, but would not be outrageously shocked if it went to Trump.

CarlottaVance

david_herdson said:

Tim_B said:

The Secret Service code name for Trump is MOGUL. Hillary is EVERGREEN.

Surely Hillary already had one?

david_herdson said:

Tim_B said:

The Secret Service code name for Trump is MOGUL. Hillary is EVERGREEN.

Surely Hillary already had one?

It dates from her time as First Lady:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Service_codename

foxinsoxuk

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Casino_Royale

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

Sean_F

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

The independent is pro-Corbyn. As Marquee Mark says, Totnes is "twinned with Narnia."

foxinsoxuk

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

Totnes is hippie central! A lovely little town.

DecrepitJohnL

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

Right wing seat, surely? The coalition parties swept the board, and that's without the independent.

Innocent_Abroad

test

Alistair

CarlottaVance said:

Speedy said:

Some Breaking News is coming out, things about to make a turn for the worse for the DNC scandal:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/758453324588908544

Goodnight.

And there is absolutely no truth that Putin wants Trump.......

I like how the first round of e-mail releases had things like links in Cyrillic and Russian names in the editor meta-data.

eek

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

rottenborough

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

As I understand people my age and below (50) will be working until they are dead.

Casino_Royale

foxinsoxuk said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

Totnes is hippie central! A lovely little town.

My idea of hell. My wife and I are going away at the weekend. Just found out there is a vegan festival taking place on Sunday that will have holistic therapies, vegan skincare, ethical jewelry, a frackfree zone and a bong tent.

Almost put me off going.

I live in a ward that votes 80%+ Con/UKIP.

Casino_Royale

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

The independent is pro-Corbyn. As Marquee Mark says, Totnes is "twinned with Narnia."

Yes, but how on earth did Totnes in rural DEVON become like Brighton? Or worse?

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

Casino_Royale

And who says Narnia is left wing?

It's quite strong on Christian themes, hardly oozes political correctness and is ultimately about restoring the rightful monarchy to the throne.

Sean_F

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

The independent is pro-Corbyn. As Marquee Mark says, Totnes is "twinned with Narnia."

Yes, but how on earth did Totnes in rural DEVON become like Brighton? Or worse?

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

It was probably Dartington Hall School that provided a critical mass of them and more of them just kept arriving.

Innocent_Abroad

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

The independent is pro-Corbyn. As Marquee Mark says, Totnes is "twinned with Narnia."

Yes, but how on earth did Totnes in rural DEVON become like Brighton? Or worse?

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

It was probably Dartington Hall School that provided a critical mass of them and more of them just kept arriving.

Don't worry, Sean. When Donald Phart wins the White House, he'll give a Presidential Pardon to anyone who kills a leftie - on either side of the pond.

Casino_Royale

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

The Labour leadership is a choice between an incompetent dogmatic socialist who might destroy his own party v. Welsh Alan Partridge who may make it a laughing stock.

What a choice.

Alistair

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

rottenborough

Casino_Royale said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

The Labour leadership is a choice between an incompetent dogmatic socialist who might destroy his own party v. Welsh Alan Partridge who may make it a laughing stock.

What a choice.

"Welsh Alan Partridge"

Wow. Cutting, but brilliant.

logical_song

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

What is it with by-elections on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. It should be Thursdays!
Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 7h7 hours ago
Totnes (South Hams) result:
LDEM: 44.2% (+22.6)
GRN: 27.1% (-14.4)
IND: 21.3% (+21.3)
CON: 7.4% (-9.9)
Labour didn't stand.

JackW

Casino_Royale said:

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

Hersham ?? ....

kle4

rottenborough said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

As I understand people my age and below (50) will be working until they are dead.

Yes, basically.

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

The Labour leadership is a choice between an incompetent dogmatic socialist who might destroy his own party v. Welsh Alan Partridge who may make it a laughing stock.

What a choice.

Labour already is a laughing stock, Smith at least does not look like he spent the previous night under Waterloo Bridge as Corbyn does most days

HYUFD

Casino_Royale said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

foxinsoxuk said:

FPT

Farronism sweeping the nation!

PClipp said:

Another Lib Dem gain - this time in Totnes.

John Birch -Lib Dem 812 votes
Alan White - Green 499 votes
Alex Mockridge - Ind 391 votes
Conservative - 137 votes

The losing party was Labour.

Wow, that's a lefty seat.

The independent is pro-Corbyn. As Marquee Mark says, Totnes is "twinned with Narnia."

Yes, but how on earth did Totnes in rural DEVON become like Brighton? Or worse?

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

Plenty of hippies in Totnes

HYUFD

rottenborough said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

As I understand people my age and below (50) will be working until they are dead.

Or 68

Casino_Royale

rottenborough said:

Casino_Royale said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

Also replacing dwp with a Work ministry. That implies that you will be working until you are dead as the only word removed from the department name isn't what he thinks it is but pensions.

And this is the best the PLPs only hope can come up with after 3 weeks

The Labour leadership is a choice between an incompetent dogmatic socialist who might destroy his own party v. Welsh Alan Partridge who may make it a laughing stock.

What a choice.

"Welsh Alan Partridge"

Wow. Cutting, but brilliant.

Guido must take credit for that one though, not I!

PlatoSaid

This all reminds me of the Good Wife episode where Alisha sits listening to FBI wiretaps and hears Eli talking about Peter.

The DNC voicemail leaks

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?file=mp3&count=50#searchresult

Casino_Royale

JackW said:

Casino_Royale said:

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

Hersham ?? ....

Hey, JohnO may be a bit wet, but he's not *that* wet!! ;-)

Morris_Dancer

Good morning, everyone.

Mortimer

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

HYUFD

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

A 279 259 Hillary win as you predict is highly plausible, it would be the closest result since 2000. You are correct to say Trump could well win Ohio and Florida but it will be the western states, Virginia and Pennsylvania (or more specifically Philadelphia and its suburbs) which save Hillary. In the popular vote I could see her winning by less than 1%

JackW

Missouri - SUSA - Clinton 37 .. Trump 47

Delaware - News Journal/Publc Mind - Clinton 42 .. Trump 32

Vermont - Vermont Public Radio - Clinton 39 .. Trump 17

Oregon - Clout Research - Clinton 43 .. Trump 40

Mortimer

HYUFD said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

A 279 259 Hillary win as you predict is highly plausible, it would be the closest result since 2000. You are correct to say Trump could well win Ohio and Florida but it will be the western states, Virginia and Pennsylvania (or more specifically Philadelphia and its suburbs) which save Hillary. In the popular vote I could see her winning by less than 1%

It is the blase cast iron certainty of posts like this that convince me Trump has this to lose at the moment.

Because Burnham was going to win the Labojr leadership....

JohnO

Casino_Royale said:

JackW said:

Casino_Royale said:

Where are all these unwashed soap-Dodgers/ champagne socialists coming from?

Hersham ?? ....

Hey, JohnO may be a bit wet, but he's not *that* wet!! ;-)

Don't mess with us Hershamites you two reprobates: we are Nasty, Brutish, and Very Short.

HYUFD

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

Most people commute to cities if they want to earn a reasonable income. Beyond teachers, the local GP and dentist and a few estate agents and high street accountants and solicitors most jobs in the typical market town or suburb are in retail or distribution or hospitality and leisure

eek

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

In theory a company can, I would really need to see some practical evidence to believe it. Companies don't commit to millions of workers for the sake of it there is an overhead in initial interviews, answering am I required phone calls if nothing else...

So as I said a 1 hour contract doesn't fix anything. Something that allows people to not be regularly restricted to 14-16 hour weeks (as many are due to a combination of benefit rules and the flexibility 3-4 part-time staff offer companies compared to 1 full time employee) would be far better for those trapped in such scenarios...

Sean_F

Casino_Royale said:

And who says Narnia is left wing?

It's quite strong on Christian themes, hardly oozes political correctness and is ultimately about restoring the rightful monarchy to the throne.

There is a Narnia connection, though. Experiment House, the school in The Silver Chair, is clearly modelled on Dartington Hall.

eek

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

A rural accountant / lawyer has always earnt less than a city based accountant - one reason is that their clients can't afford to pay as much...

Where a commuting town exists, isn't it the case that local wages are usually close to the appropriate city wage less commuting costs....

JackW

Casino_Royale said:

Hey, JohnO may be a bit wet, but he's not *that* wet!! ;-)

Sadly since his historic defeat at the polls our once redoubtable JohnO has renounced his former calling and turned to the dark side .... now seen meandering through his former domain dressed in a kaftan and sandals, shaking his tambourine and pledging allegiance to the pagan gods of south coast rail time tables and elderflower cordials.

Sad .. very sad ...

Morris_Dancer

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

DecrepitJohnL

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

It was trade schools that taught trades. But as they were far more expensive to run than either grammars or secondary moderns, far too few were ever opened.

On the question of zero hours and, for that matter, rising self-employment, surely the Brexit vote should give pause to those who assured us these were as good as proper jobs (and make Labour wonder why its support is in decline).

HYUFD

eek said:

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

A rural accountant / lawyer has always earnt less than a city based accountant - one reason is that their clients can't afford to pay as much...

The cost of living also tends to be lower

kle4

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Plenty of great stories on the old testament in particular of course

Mortimer

eek said:

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

A rural accountant / lawyer has always earnt less than a city based accountant - one reason is that their clients can't afford to pay as much...

Where a commuting town exists, isn't it the case that local wages are usually close to the appropriate city wage less commuting costs....

Of course - less demand. But the reality seems to be that there are fewer middle income jobs available now. I assume this is the main driver of the growth of cities.

Given the growth of the Internet that allows provincial upstarts like me to compete with dealers in Mayfair premises, you'd think this trend would start to go into reverse...

HYUFD

Mortimer said:

HYUFD said:

nunu said:

The last one was a joke, this one is a serious possibility.
http://www.270towin.com

A 279 259 Hillary win as you predict is highly plausible, it would be the closest result since 2000. You are correct to say Trump could well win Ohio and Florida but it will be the western states, Virginia and Pennsylvania (or more specifically Philadelphia and its suburbs) which save Hillary. In the popular vote I could see her winning by less than 1%

It is the blase cast iron certainty of posts like this that convince me Trump has this to lose at the moment.

Because Burnham was going to win the Labojr leadership....

I said highly plausible not cast iron certainty and if Trump does win Pennsylvania then of course he wins the presidency, that will be the key state but he will need a huge lead in the rustbelt and rural parts of the state to outweigh Philadelphia. Burnham would still have been a better leader than Corbyn

Morris_Dancer

Mr. kle4, I quite like the mushroom-derived surrealism of Revelation.

Wulfrun_Phil

Mortimer said:

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts.

There speaks someone not reliant on a zero hours contract for their livelihood.

DecrepitJohnL

kle4 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Plenty of great stories on the old testament in particular of course

Interestingly, most American universities' English departments run courses (modules, not whole degrees) on the bible as literature.

Mortimer

DecrepitJohnL said:

Mortimer said:

Alistair said:

eek said:

CarlottaVance said:

Meanwhile Owen 'Macho' snivelling apologiser Smith is not getting the coverage he might have wished for on his launch:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-election-owen-smith-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-smash-back-on-hells-a7158131.html

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/27/corbyn-campaign-criticises-owen-smith-for-smashing-theresa-may-remark

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/27/owen-smith-s-smash-back-on-her-heels-gaffe-shows-why-he-is-l

I rather liked his solution to zero hour contracts - a minimum of 1 hour a week - it's a classic wtf. Yes it removes zero from the contract but doesn't delivery anything.

There is a big difference between 0 and 1. At zero hours a company can stack up an unlimited number of 'workers'. At 1 hour the company takes on a cost and has to think more about staffing.

I'm not saying it will have a major affect or is a good policy but there is plenty of research on the massive psychological and practical differences of going from nothing to something when it comes to costs.

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

It was trade schools that taught trades. But as they were far more expensive to run than either grammars or secondary moderns, far too few were ever opened.

On the question of zero hours and, for that matter, rising self-employment, surely the Brexit vote should give pause to those who assured us these were as good as proper jobs (and make Labour wonder why its support is in decline).

The reality is zero hours contracts are the solution to a lack of flexibility in labour regulations - the need to grow and contract the workforce to the work the company has by and large disappeared given onerous employment legislation. Leadsom was not the right woman for the job, but ideas like exempting micro businesses from swathes of employment legislation would probably increase the number of proper jobs available - and they'd be perfect for under qualified individuals in rural areas. I'd probably advertise two 20-25 hour a week jobs tomorrow under such circumstances...

Mortimer

Wulfrun_Phil said:

Mortimer said:

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts.

There speaks someone not reliant on a zero hours contract for their livelihood.

And just how many people are? And of that, how many households are entirely reliant upon one?

And would those households be better off if the job didn't exist. ZHCs are not replaced by 40 hour per week jobs. They're replaced by zero jobs.

rottenborough

What time are we expecting the High Court to rule on popcorn Labour leadership?

PlatoSaid

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Which religion has a giant turtle?

rottenborough

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Mortimer

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

I wonder if this is on a one hour contract?

eek

Mortimer said:

eek said:

Mortimer said:

There is really no issue with zero hours contracts. Given the small number of workers on them, the large proportion of whom like to be on them and the fact that they are not allowed to be exclusive, I simply don't understand why they have such a bad name.

What we should be worried about is why there is a shortage of middle income jobs outside of large cities. Or perhaps why we're not teaching young 'uns a trade.

Bring back secondary moderns!

A rural accountant / lawyer has always earnt less than a city based accountant - one reason is that their clients can't afford to pay as much...

Where a commuting town exists, isn't it the case that local wages are usually close to the appropriate city wage less commuting costs....

Of course - less demand. But the reality seems to be that there are fewer middle income jobs available now. I assume this is the main driver of the growth of cities.

Given the growth of the Internet that allows provincial upstarts like me to compete with dealers in Mayfair premises, you'd think this trend would start to go into reverse...

There is a lot to be gained by being near other people and companies doing the same thing. Face to face contact is still far more important in business than people are willing to accept... If you look at Michael Porter's Competitive Advantage of Nations there is distinct benefit in being close to others directly competing against you... Everyone nearby improves more rapidly than the competition elsewhere resulting in a continually improving advantage over those located elsewhere..

Also while next door is a competitor, it's likely you have friends with similar interests there so its where you prefer to be...

DavidL

PlatoSaid said:

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Which religion has a giant turtle?

In the Discworld books by Terry Pratchett the world goes through space on the back of one. Not a religion as such, just a fact.

Sean_F

PlatoSaid said:

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Which religion has a giant turtle?

Islam?

kle4

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Sounds like a decent supplement to ones income, how do I sign up?

GeoffM

PlatoSaid said:

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Which religion has a giant turtle?

Discworld!

Great A'Tuin is a turtle. So what if it has four World Elephants and a disc-shaped world on top of it? It's still a turtle, of the species Chelys galactica. Nobody knows where it goes, or why, except probably Great A'Tuin itself. Its gender is unknown too, even though a space ship has been built to go and have a look. It has been known to alter its course to avoid meteorite hits, and even to snap at them with its beak or send them away with its flippers; whereas on less sensibly-designed worlds people have to rely on Bruce Willis.

http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Great_A'Tuin

JackW

HYUFD said:

I said highly plausible not cast iron certainty and if Trump does win Pennsylvania then of course he wins the presidency ....

Not necessarily so.

Trump might take Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan and still lose 278-260.

Trump would need to flip Iowa+New Hampshire or one of the following - New Jersey, Wisconsin or Virginia. Colorado would tie the race at 269 each.

Florida is key. A Trump win there opens up multiple paths whereas a "Rust Belt Strategy" is not enough.

http://www.270towin.com/

CarlottaVance

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Sounds like a zero hours contract...

Morris_Dancer

Mr. M, in the Death Gate Cycle, one of the worlds (the jungly one), was concave (ie on the inside of a sphere, with the sun in the centre). Quite like that idea.

DavidL

CarlottaVance said:

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Sounds like a zero hours contract...

Well it would be for me. Think of something nice to say about Jeremy....Nice jacket?

FrancisUrquhart

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

CarlottaVance

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Sounds like a zero hours contract...

Well it would be for me. Think of something nice to say about Jeremy....Nice jacket?

Makes Ed Miliband look great..

kle4

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. M, in the Death Gate Cycle, one of the worlds (the jungly one), was concave (ie on the inside of a sphere, with the sun in the centre). Quite like that idea.

Great series, very inventive in that respect

rottenborough

V. interesting on the Labour schism:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/28/is-clive-lewis-really-saying-labour-is-looking-at-a-revolutionary-future/

murali_s

FrancisUrquhart said:

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

Having utilised their services for many years.

#boycottbyron

kle4

DavidL said:

CarlottaVance said:

rottenborough said:

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 18m18 minutes ago
Momentum are paying people online to write positive comments about Corbyn on Twitter and Facebook.

Miss Politics ‏@Pooolitics 15m15 minutes ago
Many people earning £100 to £200 per month posting about Corbyn on social media.

Sounds like a zero hours contract...

Well it would be for me. Think of something nice to say about Jeremy....Nice jacket?

He has stimulated debate?

Nah, it'd be easy. Hell, people here even have implicitly been nicer to him by suggesting Owen is actually worse.

eek

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. M, in the Death Gate Cycle, one of the worlds (the jungly one), was concave (ie on the inside of a sphere, with the sun in the centre). Quite like that idea.

That's a Dyson sphere - not named after the peddler of hoovers...

CarlottaVance

FrancisUrquhart said:

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/27/immigration-raid-on-byron-hamburgers-rounds-up-30-workers

PlatoSaid

DavidL said:

PlatoSaid said:

Morris_Dancer said:

I liked the Chronicles of Narnia (haven't read them for some time, though). I think the Bible would be more popular if Jesus were a magic, giant, talking lion.

Which religion has a giant turtle?

In the Discworld books by Terry Pratchett the world goes through space on the back of one. Not a religion as such, just a fact.

Wiki reckons it's Chinese or Hindu or Native American

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Turtle

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eek, I'm aware it's basically identical in structure, although this was a magical creation (I forget which element) where the world had been split asunder into various elemental realms.

For that matter, the world of Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is, I think, concave.

Mr. kle4, I really like it too [although it does hold the record for the longest gap between me buying books in a series. About 16 years between Dragonwing and Elven Star]. A character in my WIP got the name Hugh after Hugh the Hand.

kle4

rottenborough said:

V. interesting on the Labour schism:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/28/is-clive-lewis-really-saying-labour-is-looking-at-a-revolutionary-future/

I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.

MaxPB

murali_s said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

Having utilised their services for many years.

#boycottbyron

Because they complied with law enforcement officers?

FrancisUrquhart

CarlottaVance said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

It's a disgrace when law breakers are held to account! (Well, that's more or less the Greens line):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jul/27/immigration-raid-on-byron-hamburgers-rounds-up-30-workers

To put any blame on the company it in a way even worse. What do people expect them to do? Block the plod / immigration officials? As a legitimate company (selling over priced burgers) they have to do fully cooperate.

tlg86

FrancisUrquhart said:

FFS the twitter mob are trying to get some stupid campaign about boycotting Byron Burgers, because they were found to have employed a load of illegals (with false papers) and of course cooperated with the authorities when they came knocking.

The outrage should be that Byron didn't do their checks properly to begin with.

rottenborough

kle4 said:

rottenborough said:

V. interesting on the Labour schism:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/07/28/is-clive-lewis-really-saying-labour-is-looking-at-a-revolutionary-future/

I preferred labour when they were less implicitly revolutionary. But then, I was the one who said Ed M would win and be an ok PM.

If Murphy is right, then the goal of Corbyn and co. is to change the role of an MP. From Burkenian representative with own judgement to tribune of the movement whose only job is to reflect the views of the activist base.

This is a profound change.