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edited July 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » A year after his unlikely candidature Trump looks set to finalise the nomination

Because so much has happened in British politics over the past couple of months we have hardly looked at the White House which looks set to be bwtween Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Payday at last! A few weeks ago I was a little jittery.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    iain watson ‏@iainjwatson 13m13 minutes ago
    I am told #labour NEC can't overturn decisions for three months so the £25 Supporters fee and six month membership freeze applies
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    I believe Stein not confirmed yet, down to two candidates, to be decided by the convention.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    And of course a candidate may drop out - major scandal or whatever. Most unlikely at this late stage, but those of us who have clung to Biden as a little side bet are still thinking about a payday!
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited July 2016
    My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!). I don't think Trump is the candidate to change that. I think America will hold its nose and pick Hilary, by a similar margin to Barack Obama's first narrow victory (or "landslide" as the BBC described it) over McCain.

    Incidentally, I'm in Chicago right now, meeting a fair few mostly college-educated friends, and I've yet to meet a single Trump supporter, or even someone who is relatively indifferent. And of all of them, those who have British friends say I'm the only person who voted Leave that they know. What OGH says about the affinities between Trump and Leave are borne out amongst my American friends. (Not that I'd vote Trump were I American as it happens).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    I believe Stein not confirmed yet, down to two candidates, to be decided by the convention.
    Who is the other candidate for the Greens ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2016
    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    And of course a candidate may drop out - major scandal or whatever. Most unlikely at this late stage, but those of us who have clung to Biden as a little side bet are still thinking about a payday!
    You can top up now at 300-1 if you like.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    May will be doing something along these lines in any event. Not on the same scale though.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Surely *nobody* takes Rasmussen seriously? Even Republicans are sick of the unhelpful delusions of closeness their shitstack-awful methods are designed to elicit.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    I believe Stein not confirmed yet, down to two candidates, to be decided by the convention.
    Who is the other candidate for the Greens ?
    William Kreml. See: http://gpus.org/committees/presidential-campaign-support/2016-recognized-candidates/

    Greens might do ok in some states if the young Berners move across.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Surely *nobody* takes Rasmussen seriously? Even Republicans are sick of the unhelpful delusions of closeness their shitstack-awful methods are designed to elicit.

    I take Rasmussen seriously. The house effect is remarkably consistent, which makes it much more useful than some polls.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited July 2016
    John_M said:

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    May will be doing something along these lines in any event. Not on the same scale though.
    Not £200bn worth she won't.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    Eagles appears to want to bribe poor working class to put up with mass immigration. Well, it's a plan I suppose.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Even though he's a pillock, I hope so, because I've got £250 of profit waiting to pay out on Betfair upon his confirmation as nominee.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Pulpstar said:

    Will the "Next president" market get trimmed to Stein/Johnson/Hillary/Trump ?

    It shouldn't do. 'Events' and all that. Hillary is 68 and Trump 70, after all.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    Statement of the obvious from Merkel's spokesman: "The introduction of the death penalty in Turkey would mean the end of EU accession talks."
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Am I right in thinking that the formal nomination takes place tomorrow?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Even though he's a pillock, I hope so, because I've got £250 of profit waiting to pay out on Betfair upon his confirmation as nominee.

    HIs choice of VP - even though it was profitable - I think is far worse.

    Pence is about as disagreeable a mainstream politician as I've ever known.
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    VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,435
    Rcs1000

    I have just read your article on the discontented. A very good analysis on the world economic demographics and skills base.

    The key point that struck me is that the skills base of the U.K. is going to be fundamental going forwards, assuming an internationalist agenda. To my mind that is a generational challenge and not solvable within one parliamentary term (see current status of the Gove reforms).

    This challenge requires a change of approach, a change of culture and a change in mindset across the whole population. Is Justine up to the job?

    (PS I would check the UK CGT rate; the highest CGT rate has not been 18% since Gordon.)
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    '"I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms [Naz] Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.'

    Non apology of the year then...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Am I right in thinking that the formal nomination takes place tomorrow?

    So there will definitely be a maximum of 3 names on the ballot ?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    TGOHF said:

    Am I right in thinking that the formal nomination takes place tomorrow?

    So there will definitely be a maximum of 3 names on the ballot ?
    I meant the Republican nomination.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Apologies, channeling my inner Scott_P:

    https://twitter.com/GideonSkinner/status/754999064350093312
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    rcs1000 said:
    The constituency for free movement of people but not capital must be vanishingly small.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,138
    edited July 2016
    rcs1000 said:
    In the pic I saw, Hauser was wearing a cravat and is therefore completely assimilated (albeit to 1950s UK).
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Hollande and Valls booed by Nice people;
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgRZmHXEIZo
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,816
    edited July 2016

    John_M said:

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    May will be doing something along these lines in any event. Not on the same scale though.
    Not £200bn worth she won't.
    Total cost of ownership of approximately four nuclear submarines plus one Y-shaped train line, with change for about half a nuclear power station.

    Amazing how easy it is to commit £200bn on multi-year infrastructure projects.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
    I've said racist unguarded comments in the past. But I'm not a racist.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    It is indeed: and Roger/Sophie Wilson, and others.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    FPT

    I really don't understand why Juppe is so popular, he makes Hillary Clinton look like a squeaky clean plucky outsider. I think on balance he is the most likely winner, but I've not heard anyone here speak fondly of him so not sure where juppemania comes from. People here (Paris not PB) don't seem to entertain the possibility of a Le Pen victory. The attitude reminds me of pre-Brexit thoughts on Leave winning. Marine Le Pen is charismatic and a better candidate for president personally than Trump is for example, but I think the lingering anti-semitism associations in her party will stop her this time. 2022 MLP nailed on if Juppe wins this time!

    Surely the left will always ride in behind the crook rather than the fascist, as it was put in 2002? What gives her an outside chance this year is the centre-right may not return the favour.

    I agree re Juppe, though i wonder whether he actually is all that popular (I've not dug into the detail). Is it not more that rather like the Conservatives in Britain at the moment, he's just the least unpopular and with politics being a relative game, that's sufficient for now?
    I think in 2017 it will be like that as you describe in the header, her best chance is against Hollande, it's just that he's too unpopular to be her opponent. However in 2022, it's unlikely Juppe is going to be able to change anything that Hollande couldn't, there's no intrinsic fault with Hollande that Juppe cures, and so I don't see how France won't end up in the exact same position in 5 years time, except with a very unpopular centre-right president losing to a centre-left challenger in 1st round, against the FN Leader in the runoff. He was already the most hated politician in France in the mid-90s so easy to see that label returning! The FN will as well be more ready in 2022, continuing the detoxification, and sadly a likely steady stream of terrorist attacks. They may even be better off to replace Marine but not sure that would be possible (I think she has a Farage-like grip on the party).

    I think you're right in reality that Juppe is just lucky because of the competition (Sarko and Hollande), although there is a lot of talk about 'Juppemania' and how popular he is, particularly as he tries to entice the youth vote (he even played beer pong for the cameras!). I think it's probably a bit of a fake phenomenon pushed by his own campaign, but it has caught hold in the media.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,138
    edited July 2016

    Hollande and Valls booed by Nice people;

    Hollande wasn't there.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited July 2016

    '"I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms [Naz] Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.'

    Non apology of the year then...


    “ I know you think you understand what you thought I said tweeted but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard read is not what I meant”

    Hat tip and with apologies to Mr. A. Greenspan
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016
    Pro_Rata said:

    John_M said:

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    May will be doing something along these lines in any event. Not on the same scale though.
    Not £200bn worth she won't.
    Total cost of ownership of approximately four nuclear submarines plus one Y-shaped train line, with change for about half a nuclear power station.

    Amazing how easy it is to commit £200bn on multi-year infrastructure projects.
    The scale of the UK economy often surprises. calculating government expenditure over the kind of time scales Labour candidates are talking about, it's somewhere north of £7.5 trillion, even with 0% growth.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    On topic, Mike is sort of correct.

    Trump is doing the Farage piece of LEAVE. He's not doing the Boris/Gove/Gisela/Leadsom/Corbyn piece of Leave.

    Which is probably why we won't win.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    I thought he was only really involved in detaching ARM from the dead weight that was Acorn. Did he get involved with anything else?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    rcs1000 said:

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    It is indeed: and Roger/Sophie Wilson, and others.
    There's a rather good interview with Prof. Steve Furber about the origins of the ARM chip.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jOJl8gRPyQ
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Trump to clinch bet paid out but Trump nominee bet still open with Hills.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007
    MaxPB said:

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    I thought he was only really involved in detaching ARM from the dead weight that was Acorn. Did he get involved with anything else?
    I knew Robin when he was running ARM and it was a private company. A stupendously nice (and smart) man.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2016

    Hollande and Valls booed by Nice people;

    Hollande wasn't there.
    They were booing him. Valls at least had the guts to show face.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    MaxPB said:

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    I thought he was only really involved in detaching ARM from the dead weight that was Acorn. Did he get involved with anything else?
    I don't think he was involved with that. It was other people.

    (I was working for Acorn at the time. Therefore I was some of the 'dead weight'. Ahem)
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    Russian doping investigation on Sky now - oh dear me.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    MaxPB said:

    Hermann Hauser has spent an entire career selling technology companies to foreign buyers, so it's a bit odd that he's sentimental about ARM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Hauser

    (Also, it's Robin Saxby, not Hermann Hauser, who deserves the credit for making ARM a world leader).

    I thought he was only really involved in detaching ARM from the dead weight that was Acorn. Did he get involved with anything else?
    I don't remember if he was on the board in the early days, he might have been.

    Incidentally, this is amusing, especially (in the light of current events) the last paragraph on page 3:

    https://community.arm.com/servlet/JiveServlet/previewBody/10926-102-1-22184/ARM_1st_Press_Release.pdf

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump to clinch bet paid out but Trump nominee bet still open with Hills.

    Yay :) A tip of mine is paid. A bone fide tip, not just my mused ramblings of my own position.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    ON TOPIC !

    How do other people have their betting books shaped right now:

    My POTUS book consists of the following makeup at fair value:

    21.4% Clinton
    0% G Johnson
    81.4% Trump
    0.3% Stein
    -1.8% Other
    -1.4% Sanders
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Finally got round to donating a small sum. I'd give more, but that would require an explanation with an accompanying violin solo.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited July 2016
    Shadow Cabinet under Corbyn:

    http://www.liliangreenwood.co.uk/lilian_s_speech_to_nottingham_south_labour_party_members

    "On 4 January – a cold dark Monday morning – I was at Kings Cross at 7am doing Radio 5 and BBC TV. Standing with Jeremy and the Rail Union General Secretaries for the media photocall. It was a crucial day in the Party’s media grid. And all across the country local party activists were outside railway stations in the cold and the dark, leafleting commuters with the materials we’d prepared. Armed with the briefings and statistics.

    Incredibly, Jeremy launched a Shadow Cabinet reshuffle on the same day... The reshuffle that meant all our staff spent Christmas not knowing whether they'd have a job by the New Year."

    "I’ve been one of HS2’s strongest supporters so I when I took up the job in Jeremy’s Shadow Cabinet I wanted to be absolutely sure we were on the same page. I met his Director of Policy to talk it through. ... It had been very difficult. I'd been to visit several times, meeting residents and businesses and dealing with some hostile media. But we secured real concessions – changes that will make a difference to local residents. It didn’t matter that it was in a nominally safe seat. It was the right thing to do.

    Despite our agreed policy, despite Jeremy's Director of Policy and I agreeing our position, without saying anything to me, Jeremy gave a press interview in which he suggested he could drop Labour’s support for HS2 altogether. He told a journalist on a local Camden newspaper that perhaps the HS2 line shouldn’t go to Euston at all but stop at Old Oak Common in West London – but he never discussed any of this with the Shadow Cabinet, or me, beforehand."

    "Breaking the principles of collective responsibility and discipline without which effective Parliamentary opposition is not possible. When I raised my concerns it was simply shrugged off. It undermined me in front of colleagues and made me look weak.It made me feel like I was wasting my time. That my opinion didn't matter. And it made me miserable.

    I'd discuss it with my political adviser, a Labour Party member of staff and activist from Nottingham who has also lost his job in all this, and we'd agree to go on because the policy mattered. Because we wanted to keep holding the Government to account. Because we love the Labour Party.

    This didn't happen once or twice. It happened time and time again."


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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    John_M said:

    I see Labour are back to spend spend spend proposals.

    May will be doing something along these lines in any event. Not on the same scale though.
    Not £200bn worth she won't.
    Hammond to drop cutting £12bn from welfare seems likely.
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    Fishing said:

    My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!). I don't think Trump is the candidate to change that. I think America will hold its nose and pick Hilary, by a similar margin to Barack Obama's first narrow victory (or "landslide" as the BBC described it) over McCain.

    Incidentally, I'm in Chicago right now, meeting a fair few mostly college-educated friends, and I've yet to meet a single Trump supporter, or even someone who is relatively indifferent. And of all of them, those who have British friends say I'm the only person who voted Leave that they know. What OGH says about the affinities between Trump and Leave are borne out amongst my American friends. (Not that I'd vote Trump were I American as it happens).

    White college-educated voters make up around a third of the American electorate (or at least they do according to an article I just read in Fortune.) Romney won 56% of them last time. But looking at polling, and just from talking to friends, from both parties, I don't see him doing as well.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
    Prior to 1997, the Labour Party had lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Russia took part in 'widespread state-sponsored doping'

    Posted at
    14:11


    Evidence of widespread state-sponsored doping by Russian athletes at the Sochi Olympics has been confirmed by the McLaren Report.

    The independent report was commissioned by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
    Prior to 1997, the Labour Party had lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections.
    The value of your electorate may go down as well as up.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    On topic, Mike is sort of correct.

    Trump is doing the Farage piece of LEAVE. He's not doing the Boris/Gove/Gisela/Leadsom/Corbyn piece of Leave.

    Which is probably why we won't win.

    True, but on the flipside the Remain/Hillary camp is less likely to pull in the traditional middle class suburban republicans, the subruban tory remainer equivalent. I don't see Donald Trump being presented as a threat to a middle class person's personal finances in the same way that Leave was. If you're someone that votes based on your wallet alone then Trump isn't that scary (and if you're a Republican, perhaps no more scary than Hillary anyway).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007
    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    White Working Class voters are more numerous as a proportion of the whole in the UK than the US, but Trump will likely win a higher proportion of them than Leave did.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    It's an oldie, but the Pulitzer prize winning 'The Soul of a New Machine' is still a great read for folk interested in the days when computers were actually interesting ;).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Anyone still red Hillary or Trump at this point ?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
    Prior to 1997, the Labour Party had lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections.
    The value of your electorate may go down as well as up.
    After 1997 Gordon Brown eliminated any boom or bust hence why the pattern stops
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyone still red Hillary or Trump at this point ?

    I'm zero Trump, but I haven't got much on the market anyway.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007
    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    It's an oldie, but the Pulitzer prize winning 'The Soul of a New Machine' is still a great read for folk interested in the days when computers were actually interesting ;).
    Goodness, I read that about 20 years ago, maybe more. When I was on the A4 heading out to Heathrow, I always used to pass the Data General (now EMC) building and think about that book.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    It's an oldie, but the Pulitzer prize winning 'The Soul of a New Machine' is still a great read for folk interested in the days when computers were actually interesting ;).
    Hannibal stopped writing on Ars Technica about CPUs because of ARM. Had a massive huff and decided that ARM's focus on thermal efficiency over raw computational power had made CPUs dull.

    This was right before the huge explosion in novel CPU core designs triggered by the smartphone era.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    One thing about US elections is that the turnout is utterly appalling, 55 - 58% for 2008 and 2012.

    There are alot of votes out there for grabs.
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    PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    This is hilarious Cold War stuff from the WADA report - the Russian security services froze clean urine samples months beforehand - then passed them *through a hole in the lab wall* to the testing team.

    :open_mouth:
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Grabcocque, is there a fourth Hannibal (beyond Barca, Lecter and Smith [A-Team leader]) I should know about?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Byte was great. I always loved the Jerry Pournelle column :)
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    edited July 2016

    John_M said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    It's an oldie, but the Pulitzer prize winning 'The Soul of a New Machine' is still a great read for folk interested in the days when computers were actually interesting ;).
    Hannibal stopped writing on Ars Technica about CPUs because of ARM. Had a massive huff and decided that ARM's focus on thermal efficiency over raw computational power had made CPUs dull.

    This was right before the huge explosion in novel CPU core designs triggered by the smartphone era.
    We shouldn't forget GPUs either. Modern GPUs render traditional password guidance pretty much obsolete. They're also part of pretty much every supercomputer architecture and large scale ML/DL system.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Bear in mind it too is something of a historical footnote now. The inexorable rise of mobile means that the way Intel designed Pentium IV and early Core CPUs is now totally obsolete. An evolutionary dead end. They're only of historical interest.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited July 2016

    Fishing said:

    My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!). I don't think Trump is the candidate to change that. I think America will hold its nose and pick Hilary, by a similar margin to Barack Obama's first narrow victory (or "landslide" as the BBC described it) over McCain.

    Incidentally, I'm in Chicago right now, meeting a fair few mostly college-educated friends, and I've yet to meet a single Trump supporter, or even someone who is relatively indifferent. And of all of them, those who have British friends say I'm the only person who voted Leave that they know. What OGH says about the affinities between Trump and Leave are borne out amongst my American friends. (Not that I'd vote Trump were I American as it happens).

    White college-educated voters make up around a third of the American electorate (or at least they do according to an article I just read in Fortune.) Romney won 56% of them last time. But looking at polling, and just from talking to friends, from both parties, I don't see him doing as well.
    he will fail badly with white graduates the question is can he make it up with wwc. Remember there only 40% of Americans hold degrees and many of them are two year degees, suspect there will be a huge split amongst two year and four year degree holders.
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    I started my career in the industry doing component level repair on PDPs & Vaxes. The days when you could actually swap out a chip that was just part of an ALU :).
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Mr. Grabcocque, is there a fourth Hannibal (beyond Barca, Lecter and Smith [A-Team leader]) I should know about?

    Sorry, John "Hannibal" Stokes is the author of Inside The Machine, the brilliant (if dated) layman's guide to how CPUs work.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Grabcocque, ah. Must be a sound fellow with a nickname like that.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Byte was great. I always loved the Jerry Pournelle column :)
    He's still an interesting read:

    https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/

    To make a connection with another off-topic post, Pournelle was heavily involved with the DC-X Clipper, the first vertical take-off and landing rocket from the 1990s that could be said to have inspired SpaceX.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,079
    SeanT said:

    Hollande and Valls booed by Nice people;

    Hollande wasn't there.
    Think he was, at one point.

    PB-ers might appreciate the irony of this vox pop from France

    “France gives too much liberty. It’s time to stop opening our doors. Stop Schengen. Stop. Just like the English have done. Stop.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/at-scene-of-carnage-in-nice-grief-roiled-by-seething-anger/article30944430/
    And voting Le Pen is currently the only way to Frexit. We've just legitimised a big part of her platform.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,007

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Bear in mind it too is something of a historical footnote now. The inexorable rise of mobile means that the way Intel designed Pentium IV and early Core CPUs is now totally obsolete. An evolutionary dead end. They're only of historical interest.
    The book is still very interesting, because it explains a lot of core computing concepts. It also discusses the RISC vs CISC divergence, albeit from a PowerPC perspective.

    And it was written by Jon Stokes.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    The Australian Leadsdom?


    Sonia Kruger Verified account
    @SoniaKruger

    "Following the atrocities of last week in Nice where 10 children lost their lives, as a mother, I believe it's vital in a democratic society to be able to discuss these issues without automatically being labelled a racist."
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Mr. Nunu, as someone who not only has no Fallopian tubes but has never gestated a foetus, I'm offended by how silly the 'as a mother' line is.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Bear in mind it too is something of a historical footnote now. The inexorable rise of mobile means that the way Intel designed Pentium IV and early Core CPUs is now totally obsolete. An evolutionary dead end. They're only of historical interest.
    AIUI, yes and no.

    Take pipelining: the concept of doing several things at once to avoid bottlenecks. Whilst the basic fetch-decode-execute three-stage pipeline has been replaced with pipelines of tens or twenties of stages, the concept of pipelines their advantages and disadvantages remains the same.

    Likewise branch speculation/prediction and execution.

    They're more complex, but the fundamentals are the same. As far as I know; Mrs J works in the analogue world.
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    pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    nunu said:

    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
    I've said racist unguarded comments in the past. But I'm not a racist.
    You are also not an MP (I assume).
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    Paul_BedfordshirePaul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited July 2016
    I think this election comes down to whether white and to some extent hispanic US Women decide they are White/Hispanic "working" Class or Wimmin when they enter the polling booth.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    pbr2013 said:

    nunu said:

    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
    I've said racist unguarded comments in the past. But I'm not a racist.
    You are also not an MP (I assume).
    I understand Nunu's point.

    It was however a badly structured apology.
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    grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited July 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Bear in mind it too is something of a historical footnote now. The inexorable rise of mobile means that the way Intel designed Pentium IV and early Core CPUs is now totally obsolete. An evolutionary dead end. They're only of historical interest.
    The book is still very interesting, because it explains a lot of core computing concepts. It also discusses the RISC vs CISC divergence, albeit from a PowerPC perspective.

    And it was written by Jon Stokes.
    The idea of RISC vs CISC having any meaning at all these days makes little sense.

    The ARmv8 ISA has > 100 instructions.
    Both ARM and x86-64 CPUs have microcode engines, with micro- and macro-op fusion. The terms ceased to have any meaning a long time ago.

    When Hannibal wrote the book, CPU design was all about optimising single threaded performance. Now CPU designs are all about power efficiency.

    In the last five years Intel have dedicated almost none of the transistor budget afforded by Moore's Law to improving single threaded performance. On the contrary, it's all been about first moving the chipset on board. (IOMMU, GPU, South Bridge, PCH, cache).
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    pbr2013 said:

    nunu said:

    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
    I've said racist unguarded comments in the past. But I'm not a racist.
    You are also not an MP (I assume).
    MP's make mistakes too.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    edited July 2016
    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
    Prior to 1997, the Labour Party had lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections.
    Excepting Blair, they haven't done it since 1974, almost the entire period of our EEC/EC/EU membership.

    That should be a very sobering fact for the party, but isn't.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Off Topic:

    Is there any significance to the 3 way split in the labour party over the Trident vote? I don't understand why Corbyn is voting against but Thornberry and Lewis (both close allies) are saying to Abstain instead.

    Is Corbyn really so incompotent that amongst his own Politburo there is a division over this? Corbynistas vs Thornberries
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Sean_F said:


    White Working Class voters are more numerous as a proportion of the whole in the UK than the US, but Trump will likely win a higher proportion of them than Leave did.

    Trouble is, because American politics still seems so driven by racial lines, that Republicans are fighting a demographic battle they are destined to lose.

    If they could find a candidate to reach out to right wing Hispanics that wouldn't be a problem, but Trump is not that candidate.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    JJ: have you read Inside the Machine?

    It's mostly about x86 microprocessors, but it still staggeringly informative and interesting.

    No, I haven't. I'll put it on my Amazon list.

    It'll be interesting to see how the knowledge I've sucked up over the years matches what's in it. Although having a wife who works in chip design helps. :)

    Incidentally, I learnt lots of stuff from the old Byte magazines. I had access to every copy, and the early copies explained concepts such as pipelining and branch prediction really well. Probably because they were basic back then.
    Byte was great. I always loved the Jerry Pournelle column :)
    He's still an interesting read:

    https://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/

    To make a connection with another off-topic post, Pournelle was heavily involved with the DC-X Clipper, the first vertical take-off and landing rocket from the 1990s that could be said to have inspired SpaceX.
    Comment on the vid:

    Christopher Miles3 years ago
    Anyone interested in this VTVL tech should google Space X's Grasshopper program. Space X is coming on fast with the goal that all stages might one day be reusable.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,418

    Sean_F said:

    PlatoSaid said:

    nunu said:

    "My gut feeling is that Trump is unlikely to make it. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once and the electoral college twice since 1988(!)."

    https://xkcd.com/1122/

    :lol:

    1996 'No Democrat incumbent without combat experience has beaten someone who's first name is worth more in Scrabble'
    Prior to 1997, the Labour Party had lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections.
    Excepting Blair, they haven't done it since 1974.

    That should be a very sobering fact for the party, but isn't.
    Labour have never grasped that compromising with the electorate and getting to deliver at least 70% of what you believe in is better than not compromising and getting to deliver 0%.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    nunu said:

    pbr2013 said:

    nunu said:

    "I wasn't anti-Semitic, what I put out was anti-Semitic," Ms Shah told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

    half of that statement is right
    I've said racist unguarded comments in the past. But I'm not a racist.
    You are also not an MP (I assume).
    MP's make mistakes too.
    I'm sure she and her Labour colleagues would be very understanding and forgiving if someone not in their party tried to make a similar distinction/mea non culpa
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,214
    SeanT said:

    Hollande and Valls booed by Nice people;

    Hollande wasn't there.
    Think he was, at one point.

    PB-ers might appreciate the irony of this vox pop from France

    “France gives too much liberty. It’s time to stop opening our doors. Stop Schengen. Stop. Just like the English have done. Stop.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/at-scene-of-carnage-in-nice-grief-roiled-by-seething-anger/article30944430/
    I raised on the previous thread the fact that the murderer was a Tunisian who had come to France in 2005. Why was he let in? An unskilled Tunisian? What possible skills did he bring that could not be found amongst the many EU citizens already available to work in France?

    That woman may be railing wrongly against Schengen but she is right to rail against governments who have failed in their most elementary duty: to determine who is let into the country, in what numbers and that those who are let in are an asset to the country they are joining.

    Sure many terrorists are French citizens but they are so because their parents were let in. So the question still arises: if this is what happens to the next generation of those coming from certain areas of the world, should we continue to let such people in? It's not as if terrorism was unknown in 2005, even in France.

    That woman's cry is a cry of pain and rage against authorities who have allowed a country's hospitality and openness to be abused and the price is paid in the crushed bodies of children on a sea front in summer.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36826974?ocid=socialflow_twitter

    Wells Fargo makes big long term commitment to London...
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