On any Labour split. What happens if Democratic Labour have more seats than Labour once the split is done? Does the leader of that party sit as the official LOTO? Does Bercow rule on it?
I take it your use of the word 'democratic' is in the "(pick a country in former east Europe)...Democratic Republic" sense?
By all accounts, proceedings at the NEC are glacially slow – Crick reported earlier that 35 minutes into Labour NEC & members still hdn't been given party's legal advice on whether Corbyn can stand without nominations – Sparrow’s live up-dates appear comatose…!
Can you blame them? They're sitting on a bomb debating whether to cut the red wire or the green one. Whichever they choose, the bomb goes off.
Tim Fallon's attempts to get some attention are so cute.
Fallon ???
It's an old PB joke - Someone misspells Tim Farron's name as "Tim Fallon" and then another person replies 'Who'
Don't you mean Michael Farron?
So who exactly has resigned?
Charley Falconer.
Where does this joke come from? Sorry. I'm new here.
Any time anything happens, Charlie Faulkner resigns.
His resignation was (accidentally) re-reported, plus so few people have heard of him every time anyone says he has resigned something thinks it's for real (well, it is, in the sense he is long gone).
By all accounts, proceedings at the NEC are glacially slow – Crick reported earlier that 35 minutes into Labour NEC & members still hdn't been given party's legal advice on whether Corbyn can stand without nominations – Sparrow’s live up-dates appear comatose…!
Can you blame them? They're sitting on a bomb debating whether to cut the red wire or the green one. Whichever they choose, the bomb goes off.
Not really - but if it need be done, the best it be done quick.
That's a very good piece, Cyclefree (and congrats for your son too). There are several separate thoughts there, all worth discussing. The immediately relevant one is the one I've been banging on about for weeks:
--------- Until the necessary hard thinking is done about what Labour, about what any left of centre party is for, there is little point in Labour thrashing around to find the latest vaguely presentable MP to act as an alternative to Corbyn. Corbyn has an idea about what Labour should be and think. Any alternative needs to have an idea about what Labour should be and think, something more than “not Corbyn”. --------- Exactly.
On globalisation, as soon as it started to happen, I thought "this is going to change our world and all our assumptions of permanently rising prosperity for all in the West" and so it's proved. The first party to identify some real responses to that will be in power for a long time, deserrvedly.
In my opinion, it can only be addressed at a larger scale than single states. Perhaps we should join the EU...
Not Corbyn = Labour being a party that wants to govern. There is no point in having great ideas if you are not in a position to put them into place. In a parliamentary democracy that means winning elections. There is no Labour politician who could deliver Labour a victory at the next GE, but there are plenty who could ensure that Labour remains a party serious about contesting and winning general elections. Corbyn is not one of them because he does not believe in Parliament as a vehicle for change. That is his problem. Not his policies.
Not Corbyn is not an end point, its just a starting point which hopefully stops the poison spreading to the rest of the party....
After that Labour needs to work out both who its targeting and how to target them. For the last 30 years Labour has usually perceived itself as "Not the Tory" party. That worked in a 2 party country where your core audience hated the Tories more than anything else... It doesn't work now and it didn't work in Scotland as soon as a second party that didn't begin with C appeared....
Yes, I completely agree. Labour is in the position it is in today because it has been lazy, complacent, incompetent and intellectually vacuous. The only good argument I can think of for it not splitting is the electoral system. But even that is not a great. If Corbyn is re-elected, the members will have decided that Labour is no longer a party focused on securing power through Parliament. That has to be a red line for anyone serious on the centre left.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
Mr. Observer, Labour had a majority about four or five times larger with a lower share of the vote in 2005.
Nobody complained about it then (Lib Dems excepted, but they've always been mad for PR).
I did. I thought it was outrageous. Defenders of FPTP are very free to defend it, but please no crocodile tears about the importance of listening to the voices of ordinary voters in forgotten, left behind parts of the country.
The first test for May will be the Osborne test. Quite how far away from the epicentre of British political life that particular ball of incompetent malevolence gets booted will be extremely telling.
Impress me Theresa!
Expect a new role in Export and Trade Missions
I do hope you're right, though I can't see him persuading me to buy many Landrovers.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
Ruth Davidson needs to take a leaf out of Theresa May's book and act with a little more dignity. All these remarks will come back to haunt her, should she ever become PM.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Giveplaces.
Do I think that an alternative to FPTP could improve voter engagement? Yes. Do I think it will cure the problem of the divide between our political class and a huge chunk of the electorate? Nope.
But opposition.
That's a good point and is one of the many reasons I dislike FPTP. But I don't think it addresses Felix's excellent point. Changes to the voting system can produce structural changes in British politics, sure. But I don't think those changes will succeed in significantly narrowing The Gap, or quieting The Howling Across The Gap. Each in their own way, this Howling is basically what Trump and the Euroref and Le Pen and 5 Star and the AFD and Podemos and a myriad others across the western world have been about. I'd probably even include the Cleggasm in that, and the toxic fallout when the electorate twigged "wait, he's just one of Them too" rather reinforces that for me.
Like Nick Palmer, I think it's likely the deeper issue ultimately arises from the economic and cultural forces of globalisation, though unlike Nick I don't think the EU provides much by way of an answer.
Yep I agree - changing the voting system is a start, nothing more.
It's worth remembering that there is more wealth in the world than there has ever been before. The richest individuals and corporations hoard money offshore that they can never hope to spend. There are solutions to the issues that Cyclefree so powerfully identifies and some of them involve countries working together. That may not be via the EU, but it will need close cooperation.
If, that is, we really do want to solve these issues. It's also worth remembering that a lot of Leave votes came from pensioners who have been very well looked after over recent years, from wealthy libertarians and other prosperous folk. Most people are doing OK in the UK. Do they actually want to give stuff up so that others who are not dong so well might do better?
Mr. Nunu, whilst I do think the projections of doom point generally is valid, it's worth pointing out that, now, the much diminished oil price is a matter of fact, not a prophecy.
Good point. Plus the pound did plunge, a much bigger U.K can deal with that. But a newly independent Scotland would be unlikely to shrug off a big fall in their new currency.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
That would be a most acceptable line-up.
Agreed. Though there maybe a few seething if James Brokenshire becomes Home Secretary so rapidly.
Up there with Lady Thatcher promoting David Waddington as Home Secretary from Chief Whip
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Precisely. Blaming the problem on FPTP is complete tosh. Anyone who thinks the electoral system is the problem really, really ought to study Irish politics for a bit.
In any case, people are looking at this the wrong way round. The issue isn't that governments don't understand the problems or inequality and the effect of globalisation, it's that there aren't any easy solutions. What makes it worse is that the things which would help in the medium to long term are often politically difficult or impossible in the short term.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
That would be a most acceptable line-up.
Damian Green would be a highly significant appointment. He is very pro-BBC.
I hope Theresa May has a bloody clear out of No 10 and the Treasury. I suspect she will, as they have briefed against her for years, especially George's gang.
I would love to see George Osborne on the backbenches, he deserves to be taught a lesson.
G-live: Veteran MP Dennis Skinner, as he entered the the building, compared Labour MPs seeking to depose Corbyn to the “UDM” - the breakaway miners’ union which was set up to rival the National Union of Mineworkers.
The meeting is taking place on the 8th floor of the office building known as Southside which is half a mile from the Houses of Parliament. The building has been nicknamed “the Darkside” by Corbynistas who believe that it is occupied and controlled by friends of the Parliamentary party.
Blimey, it’s as though ‘the thick of it’ never left our screens.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Giveplaces.
Do I think that an alternative to FPTP could improve voter engagement? Yes. Do I think it will cure the problem of the divide between our political class and a huge chunk of the electorate? Nope.
But opposition.
That's a good point and is one of the many reasons I dislike FPTP. But I don't think it addresses Felix's excellent point. Changes to the voting system can produce structural changes in British politics, sure. But I don't think those changes will succeed in significantly narrowing The Gap, or quieting The Howling Across The Gap. Each in their own way, this Howling is basically what Trump and the Euroref and Le Pen and 5 Star and the AFD and Podemos and a myriad others across the western world have been about. I'd probably even include the Cleggasm in that, and the toxic fallout when the electorate twigged "wait, he's just one of Them too" rather reinforces that for me.
Like Nick Palmer, I think it's likely the deeper issue ultimately arises from the economic and cultural forces of globalisation, though unlike Nick I don't think the EU provides much by way of an answer.
Yep I agree - changing the voting system is a start, nothing more.
It's worth remembering that there is more wealth in the world than there has ever been before. The richest individuals and corporations hoard money offshore that they can never hope to spend. There are solutions to the issues that Cyclefree so powerfully identifies and some of them involve countries working together. That may not be via the EU, but it will need close cooperation.
If, that is, we really do want to solve these issues. It's also worth remembering that a lot of Leave votes came from pensioners who have been very well looked after over recent years, from wealthy libertarians and other prosperous folk. Most people are doing OK in the UK. Do they actually want to give stuff up so that others who are not dong so well might do better?
I can only speak for myself, but yes. My cohort are the very trailing edge of the boomers. We have had every advantage in life. Time to pay some of it back.
I hope Theresa May has a bloody clear out of No 10 and the Treasury. I suspect she will, as they have briefed against her for years, especially George's gang.
I would love to see George Osborne on the backbenches, he deserves to be taught a lesson.
My dear fellow resident, I fear our political paths have diverged markedly: I blame the Thames Ditton and Weston Green plague for your alarming descent into the farther fringes.
the government needs to nail its colours to the mast.
Just like Andrea Leadsom did...
Anyone running a book as to whether Scott can get through 24hrs without posting the word "B****teer" ?
On a knife edge..
oh, is it a swearword now ;-)
Funny....it used to be a badge of honour.......but then they all ran away.....
All gone, all gone, all gone. All those Tory Brexiteers, gone, gone, gone. A merry, plucky, shameless band, who scaled the heights of the greasy pole, surveyed the view, blanched and threw themselves off. First Boris Johnson, wobbling with vertigo, then shoved from the platform by Michael Gove. Then Mr Gove himself, somehow unable to balance on his own. And now, finally, Andrea Leadsom; a woman who had simply never before climbed so high, didn’t have the coat for it and couldn’t stand the weather
Lucy FisherVerified account @LOS_Fisher Confirmed: secret ballot at Labour's NEC on whether Corbyn should be on ballot paper. This is going to come down to a knife edge vote.
I wll probably be abused for asking this, but the political conversation need to involve everyone; not just the voters in marginal seats.
Do we need a form of PR so that the opinions of the inhabitants of the rotten boroughs count? I rather think we do.
Yes to AV!!
Actually I agree with you but cant see how it ever comes about
The 1.5m who voted in the referendum because they realised their vote counted for once are an unanswerable argument for voting reform. If politics is to be for all the people all the people need to have a meaningful say.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Give me multi-member STV any day - but your observation is accurate and astute. People seeking peculiarly British causes for a phenomenon that spreads far beyond these shores seem to me to be looking in the wrong places.
Do I think that an alternative to FPTP could improve voter engagement? Yes. Do I think it will cure the problem of the divide between our political class and a huge chunk of the electorate? Nope.
I don't think that the voting system is the sole cause of the issues. I was just saying that the referendum and how it brought people out to vote had made me look again at the whole issue of PR.
What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known.
You get to govern with 37% of the vote in the UK. That is not a system that is working for the many.
Would it be so different with PR - a coalition of 5% here 20% there, etc. Spain is heading to it's 3rd GE as I write and Italy???? I also have concerns when the 'dispossessed' suddenly all become 'victims' of the rapacious and greedy rich folk down south. I'm from the w/c NE of England. My entire extended family over at least 4 generations through good and bad times have always had jobs, paid taxes and sacrificed for their children. Others we knew opted for the dole, fags and beer. Sometimes it's just the choices people make.
I can't believe how shamelessly they disassociate with their fixed term legislation, quite cynical.
As I understand it, the FTPA was essentially a practical measure to preserve the coalition. It was meant to stop the Tories getting frisky and cutting the Lib Dems loose mid-term.
Post-coalition, I struggle to see its utility, particularly given that a simple majority on a NCM is enough for an election.
Exactly. Yes, there are arguments about certainty and stability, and not having the third/fourth year of a government destabilised by all the "will he, won't he" speculation we used to endure. But the bottom line is that you cannot be junior partner in a coalition if your senior partner's PM has sole discretion to dissolve the arrangement and go for an election as soon as s/he thinks the planets are best aligned.
The coalition endured for its full term and history will probably put it right up there amongst the best governments of recent history. The FTPA was a key part in making it happen. But its relevance to the current government with a new PM and narrow majority is clearly questionable.
Is it better to know when the election will be or to have the timing in the gift of one person? That person, the PM, can play silly buggers like Callaghan did or to use it for political advantage as most of the others did. On balance I think that it is better to have the FTPA because it does provide more stability and certainty and because coalitions are possible in the future. If parliament as a whole wishes to override it there are mechanisms for that to occur.
''What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known. ''
I get the feeling we are closer to the start of this than the end.
Just wait till automation destroys many more semi clerical jobs. It is coming..
As for globalisation , it cannot be stopped. Nor can automation..
Of course, if you want to work in a car industry making cars manually at 1960s wage levels, you can... because that is the alternative. But no-one will buy your cars because cars built by robots are better,- consistent quality etc.
China has undermined cheap manufacturing in the West. Its sellers are now undermining UK shops and wholesellers. Why spend £50 for a product in the UK when you can buy direct from the maker for 25% of the price.?
We are fast approaching a time when those without key skills will be unemployable unless they are prepared to work in agriculture or the care industries.. These are labour intensive..
The UK welfare system will not survive not will the NHS..
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
That would be a most acceptable line-up.
Damian Green would be a highly significant appointment. He is very pro-BBC.
And a friend of Theresa & Philip from University days.....overlooked by Cameron.....
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
I would expect most of thast to be right. Greening to be given a promotion though I think.
Do we need a form of PR so that the opinions of the inhabitants of the rotten boroughs count? I rather think we do.
Yes to AV!!
Actually I agree with you but cant see how it ever comes about
The 1.5m who voted in the referendum because they realised their vote counted for once are an unanswerable argument for voting reform. If politics is to be for all the people all the people need to have a meaningful say.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Give me multi-member STV any day - but your observation is accurate and astute. People seeking peculiarly British causes for a phenomenon that spreads far beyond these shores seem to me to be looking in the wrong places.
Do I think that an alternative to FPTP could improve voter engagement? Yes. Do I think it will cure the problem of the divide between our political class and a huge chunk of the electorate? Nope.
I don't think that the voting system is the sole cause of the issues. I was just saying that the referendum and how it brought people out to vote had made me look again at the whole issue of PR.
What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known.
You get to govern with 37% of the vote in the UK. That is not a system that is working for the many.
Would it be so different with PR - a coalition of 5% here 20% there, etc. Spain is heading to it's 3rd GE as I write and Italy???? I also have concerns when the 'dispossessed' suddenly all become 'victims' of the rapacious and greedy rich folk down south. I'm from the w/c NE of England. My entire extended family over at least 4 generations through good and bad times have always had jobs, paid taxes and sacrificed for their children. Others we knew opted for the dole, fags and beer. Sometimes it's just the choices people make.
The main argument for PR is that everyone's vote will count.
Rou ReynoldsVerified account @RouReynolds 4h4 hours ago I’m no blinkered Corbynite but how on earth can anyone believe Angela Eagle offers the charisma & leadership panache that Corbyn lacks?!
I suspect Eagle's sole purpose was to get an NEC meeting convened, which could rule on whether Corbyn can be airbrushed out of the leadership...
If they vote Yes, and that sticks, the real contenders will emerge, and Eagle will wing it back to Wallasey.
If No, the split is on, and a leadership election serves no purpose.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
That would be a most acceptable line-up.
Damian Green would be a highly significant appointment. He is very pro-BBC.
And a friend of Theresa & Philip from University days.....overlooked by Cameron.....
Hardly....he was a Home Office Minister of State (under May) for several years.
“use the opportunity of a strengthening economy to deliver security for working people.” Cameron clearly saw the need to tackle entrenched poverty through social action, and was planning to spend his final years in office helping the least well off through intervention and through trying to make opportunities more equal.
Rupert Myers thinks this has been knocked for six by Brexit:
Cameron himself won’t get the chance to implement this. Nobody will even remember that he attempted it, overshadowed as his legacy will be so completely by the referendum ... Brexit means years of government manpower diverted. The best and the brightest won’t be focusing on helping the poorest in our society, but to clambering around for trade deals. In the long run, Britain may be better off from Brexit, but there is a real risk that it will come at the expense of opportunities for the very poorest in society.
the government needs to nail its colours to the mast.
Just like Andrea Leadsom did...
Anyone running a book as to whether Scott can get through 24hrs without posting the word "B****teer" ?
On a knife edge..
oh, is it a swearword now ;-)
Funny....it used to be a badge of honour.......but then they all ran away.....
All gone, all gone, all gone. All those Tory Brexiteers, gone, gone, gone. A merry, plucky, shameless band, who scaled the heights of the greasy pole, surveyed the view, blanched and threw themselves off. First Boris Johnson, wobbling with vertigo, then shoved from the platform by Michael Gove. Then Mr Gove himself, somehow unable to balance on his own. And now, finally, Andrea Leadsom; a woman who had simply never before climbed so high, didn’t have the coat for it and couldn’t stand the weather
I can't believe how shamelessly they disassociate with their fixed term legislation, quite cynical.
As I understand it, the FTPA was essentially a practical measure to preserve the coalition. It was meant to stop the Tories getting frisky and cutting the Lib Dems loose mid-term.
Post-coalition, I struggle to see its utility, particularly given that a simple majority on a NCM is enough for an election.
Exactly. Yes, there are arguments about certainty and stability, and not having the third/fourth year of a government destabilised by all the "will he, won't he" speculation we used to endure. But the bottom line is that you cannot be junior partner in a coalition if your senior partner's PM has sole discretion to dissolve the arrangement and go for an election as soon as s/he thinks the planets are best aligned.
The coalition endured for its full term and history will probably put it right up there amongst the best governments of recent history. The FTPA was a key part in making it happen. But its relevance to the current government with a new PM and narrow majority is clearly questionable.
There is an argument that we have elected a set of MP’s and it’s down to them to sort out a government. One can speculate what might have happened if Harold Wilson had not been able to call second elections in 1966 and 1974.
I wll probably be abused for asking this, but the political conversation need to involve everyone; not just the voters in marginal seats.
Do we need a form of PR so that the opinions of the inhabitants of the rotten boroughs count? I rather think we do.
Yes to AV!!
Actually I agree with you but cant see how it ever comes about
The 1.5m who voted in the referendum because they realised their vote counted for once are an unanswerable argument for voting reform. If politics is to be for all the people all the people need to have a meaningful say.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Give places.
Do I electorate? Nope.
I don't think that the voting system is the sole cause of the issues. I was just saying that the referendum and how it brought people out to vote had made me look again at the whole issue of PR.
What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known.
You get to govern with 37% of the vote in the UK. That is not a system that is working for the many.
Would it be so different with PR - a coalition of 5% here 20% there, etc. Spain is heading to it's 3rd GE as I write and Italy???? I also have concerns when the 'dispossessed' suddenly all become 'victims' of the rapacious and greedy rich folk down south. I'm from the w/c NE of England. My entire extended family over at least 4 generations through good and bad times have always had jobs, paid taxes and sacrificed for their children. Others we knew opted for the dole, fags and beer. Sometimes it's just the choices people make.
It can be different with PR. Even in Spain two new parties have emerged, gained significant support and won seats in Parliament within five years of being formed.
''What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known. ''
I get the feeling we are closer to the start of this than the end.
Just wait till automation destroys many more semi clerical jobs. It is coming..
As for globalisation , it cannot be stopped. Nor can automation..
Of course, if you want to work in a car industry making cars manually at 1960s wage levels, you can... because that is the alternative. But no-one will buy your cars because cars built by robots are better,- consistent quality etc.
China has undermined cheap manufacturing in the West. Its sellers are now undermining UK shops and wholesellers. Why spend £50 for a product in the UK when you can buy direct from the maker for 25% of the price.?
We are fast approaching a time when those without key skills will be unemployable unless they are prepared to work in agriculture or the care industries.. These are labour intensive..
The UK welfare system will not survive not will the NHS..
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
I would expect most of thast to be right. Greening to be given a promotion though I think.
I hope they really do get rid of Morgan, she is well meaning but not up to scratch.
''What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known. ''
I get the feeling we are closer to the start of this than the end.
Just wait till automation destroys many more semi clerical jobs. It is coming..
As for globalisation , it cannot be stopped. Nor can automation..
Of course, if you want to work in a car industry making cars manually at 1960s wage levels, you can... because that is the alternative. But no-one will buy your cars because cars built by robots are better,- consistent quality etc.
China has undermined cheap manufacturing in the West. Its sellers are now undermining UK shops and wholesellers. Why spend £50 for a product in the UK when you can buy direct from the maker for 25% of the price.?
We are fast approaching a time when those without key skills will be unemployable unless they are prepared to work in agriculture or the care industries.. These are labour intensive..
The UK welfare system will not survive not will the NHS..
If you look at Chinese electronic brands its remarkable how cheap they are compared to Western (including Korean and Japanese) brands...
One reason Oneplus is so focussed on selling to the West is that it allows them to charge 50% more than they could sell the phones for in China itself....
And if you are interested in this stuff The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly will show exactly what will happen over the next 30 years - as its already in motion....
The other book I was reading at the same time back in early June was The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047 by Lionel Shriver. It starts with the USA economy collapsing. It finishes with China exporting its OAPs to be cared for in the cheapest labour market in the world (the USA)..
“use the opportunity of a strengthening economy to deliver security for working people.” Cameron clearly saw the need to tackle entrenched poverty through social action, and was planning to spend his final years in office helping the least well off through intervention and through trying to make opportunities more equal.
Rupert Myers thinks this has been knocked for six by Brexit:
Cameron himself won’t get the chance to implement this. Nobody will even remember that he attempted it, overshadowed as his legacy will be so completely by the referendum ... Brexit means years of government manpower diverted. The best and the brightest won’t be focusing on helping the poorest in our society, but to clambering around for trade deals. In the long run, Britain may be better off from Brexit, but there is a real risk that it will come at the expense of opportunities for the very poorest in society.
I think that overblown. Early indications are of a relatively modest department for Brexit.
The idea that our best and brightest _have_ been focusing on helping the poorest in our society, only to be diverted from their noble task by the pesky EUref is risible.
Actually I agree with you but cant see how it ever comes about
The 1.5m who voted in the referendum because they realised their vote counted for once are an unanswerable argument for voting reform. If politics is to be for all the people all the people need to have a meaningful say.
Precisely this. Anyone talking about listening to ordinary people in left-behind towns who then continues to advocate FPTP is a hypocrite. It's really as simple as that. And, yes, I include all Labour supporters, MPs and ex-ministers in that.
And yet the same feelings exist in almost every country in the developed world regardless of the electoral system. It has to be deeper than that.
Give places.
Do I electorate? Nope.
I don't think that the voting system is the sole cause of the issues. I was just saying that the referendum and how it brought people out to vote had made me look again at the whole issue of PR.
What is happening in Britain is happening elsewhere. The economic/political system we have had for the last 30 years or so has worked for some but not worked for many and the many are now making their feelings known.
You get to govern with 37% of the vote in the UK. That is not a system that is working for the many.
Would it be so different with PR - a coalition of 5% here 20% there, etc. Spain is heading to it's 3rd GE as I write and Italy???? I also have concerns when the 'dispossessed' suddenly all become 'victims' of the rapacious and greedy rich folk down south. I'm from the w/c NE of England. My entire extended family over at least 4 generations through good and bad times have always had jobs, paid taxes and sacrificed for their children. Others we knew opted for the dole, fags and beer. Sometimes it's just the choices people make.
It can be different with PR. Even in Spain two new parties have emerged, gained significant support and won seats in Parliament within five years of being formed.
And that is why there has been no government 2 GE's on with a third on the way. I'm unclear as to quite which group of the dispossessed are gaining from this. Also worth noting that both of those parties lost seats and votes last time.
Having thought about it, I suspect that Theresa May's first cabinet is going to be a much more radical reshuffle than most journalists are expecting. Although she's a 'safe pair of hands', that doesn't at all mean that she's timid, as various vested interests, and LibDem junior ministers in the last parliament, have found to their cost. Moreover she'll want to impose her own authority decisively on the government and party. Expect to be surprised (except probably on the choice of Chancellor).
Woke yesterday to find May had won. Woke up today to find Corbyn still leader (well, since we are waiting in the NEC's verdict). What more could a PB Tory wish for?
Having thought about it, I suspect that Theresa May's first cabinet is going to be a much more radical reshuffle than most journalists are expecting. Although she's a 'safe pair of hands', that doesn't at all mean that she's timid, as various vested interests, and LibDem junior ministers in the last parliament, have found to their cost. Moreover she'll want to impose her own authority decisively on the government and party. Expect to be surprised (except probably on the choice of Chancellor).
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
As Theresa supposedly doesn't spend her time "gossiping" with journalists or scheming with acolytes, how on earth would anybody other than her, know what the Cabinet will be like?
What I would say though is that having Remainers as PM, CoE and Foreign Secretary should be a non-starter. A prominent LEAVER should fill at least one of these roles.
And Mr (Punishment Budget) Osborne shouldn't anywhere near the government.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
As Theresa supposedly doesn't spend her time "gossiping" with journalists or scheming with acolytes, how on earth would anybody other than her, know what the Cabinet will be like?
What I would say though is that having Remainers as PM, CoE and Foreign Secretary should be a non-starter. A prominent LEAVER should fill at least one of these roles.
And Mr (Punishment Budget) Osborne shouldn't anywhere near the government.
Prominent Leaver, would that be Gove, Boris or Leadsom?
Would it be so different with PR - a coalition of 5% here 20% there, etc. Spain is heading to it's 3rd GE as I write and Italy???? I also have concerns when the 'dispossessed' suddenly all become 'victims' of the rapacious and greedy rich folk down south. I'm from the w/c NE of England. My entire extended family over at least 4 generations through good and bad times have always had jobs, paid taxes and sacrificed for their children. Others we knew opted for the dole, fags and beer. Sometimes it's just the choices people make.
You think Spain's going to have another election? My sources are pretty confident that there'll be a deal in the next week or so.
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
As Theresa supposedly doesn't spend her time "gossiping" with journalists or scheming with acolytes, how on earth would anybody other than her, know what the Cabinet will be like?
What I would say though is that having Remainers as PM, CoE and Foreign Secretary should be a non-starter. A prominent LEAVER should fill at least one of these roles.
And Mr (Punishment Budget) Osborne shouldn't anywhere near the government.
If she keeps Osborne in any capacity, she's a bottler.
The consensus is that the cabinet and government that May will form will essentially be a continuation - wth a few minor changes - of the Cameron government. If that is the so, she will be doomed to fail at the very start.
The thing above all others that must be tackled is BREXIT: Cameron knew that he couldn't manage this feat, and neither will an unreformed Cameronian cabinet be able to..
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 21s22 seconds ago Jeremy Corbyn is about to be excluded from Labour NEC meeting. Secret ballots thought to favour critics.
The consensus is that the cabinet and government that May will form will essentially be a continuation - wth a few minor changes - of the Cameron government. If that is the so, she will be doomed to fail at the very start.
The thing above all others that must be tackled is BREXIT: Cameron knew that he couldn't manage this feat, and neither will an unreformed Cameronian cabinet be able to..
If Kuenssberg's predictions are accurate, it isn't a few minor changes...
Laura Kuenssberg sets out the expected Cabinet changes:
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
As Theresa supposedly doesn't spend her time "gossiping" with journalists or scheming with acolytes, how on earth would anybody other than her, know what the Cabinet will be like?
What I would say though is that having Remainers as PM, CoE and Foreign Secretary should be a non-starter. A prominent LEAVER should fill at least one of these roles.
And Mr (Punishment Budget) Osborne shouldn't anywhere near the government.
If she keeps Osborne in any capacity, she's a bottler.
I guess she could move him to the Downing Street domestic services departments toilet division?
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His resignation was (accidentally) re-reported, plus so few people have heard of him every time anyone says he has resigned something thinks it's for real (well, it is, in the sense he is long gone).
Nobody complained about it then (Lib Dems excepted, but they've always been mad for PR).
"There is a consensus that Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, will become the chancellor, doing what might be one of the most powerful job swaps in the land with George Osborne.
After too long in the Treasury bunker, most people expect him to be moved out. Chris Grayling is likely to head up the negotiations over us leaving the EU, in charge at whatever ministry is created to mastermind that process.
As a prominent Eurosceptic who didn't get down in the gutter in the campaign, he is likely to rise, having run Theresa May's short campaign too.
James Brokenshire, Theresa May's long-serving Home Office minister, is likely to be put in charge at that department - not a bad reward for years of having to defend the government's struggling immigration policy at the despatch box.
Stephen Crabb is likely to be left where he is, John Whittingdale might be moved out of the culture brief, potentially to be replaced with Damian Green, a Europhile who was also part of May's campaign team.
Priti Patel and Justine Greening are likely to be moved up, Nicky Morgan to be moved out, Amber Rudd and Sajid Javid both thought to be likely to stay where they are."
To what extent, and in what respects, she is wrong will be a useful measurement of sentiment.
Get over it, you won.
On a knife edge..
Good afternoon, everybody.
Not sure you can get odds anywhere?
Good move, if true...
It's worth remembering that there is more wealth in the world than there has ever been before. The richest individuals and corporations hoard money offshore that they can never hope to spend. There are solutions to the issues that Cyclefree so powerfully identifies and some of them involve countries working together. That may not be via the EU, but it will need close cooperation.
If, that is, we really do want to solve these issues. It's also worth remembering that a lot of Leave votes came from pensioners who have been very well looked after over recent years, from wealthy libertarians and other prosperous folk. Most people are doing OK in the UK. Do they actually want to give stuff up so that others who are not dong so well might do better?
A fresh start. Not.
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Up there with Lady Thatcher promoting David Waddington as Home Secretary from Chief Whip
In any case, people are looking at this the wrong way round. The issue isn't that governments don't understand the problems or inequality and the effect of globalisation, it's that there aren't any easy solutions. What makes it worse is that the things which would help in the medium to long term are often politically difficult or impossible in the short term.
I would love to see George Osborne on the backbenches, he deserves to be taught a lesson.
The meeting is taking place on the 8th floor of the office building known as Southside which is half a mile from the Houses of Parliament. The building has been nicknamed “the Darkside” by Corbynistas who believe that it is occupied and controlled by friends of the Parliamentary party.
Blimey, it’s as though ‘the thick of it’ never left our screens.
All gone, all gone, all gone. All those Tory Brexiteers, gone, gone, gone. A merry, plucky, shameless band, who scaled the heights of the greasy pole, surveyed the view, blanched and threw themselves off. First Boris Johnson, wobbling with vertigo, then shoved from the platform by Michael Gove. Then Mr Gove himself, somehow unable to balance on his own. And now, finally, Andrea Leadsom; a woman who had simply never before climbed so high, didn’t have the coat for it and couldn’t stand the weather
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrea-leadsoms-demise-signals-the-end-of-the-nasty-party-h3k3nbwsz?shareToken=f07be91cd860fc1b5e8cd829bf19c2ac
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Confirmed: secret ballot at Labour's NEC on whether Corbyn should be on ballot paper. This is going to come down to a knife edge vote.
That person, the PM, can play silly buggers like Callaghan did or to use it for political advantage as most of the others did.
On balance I think that it is better to have the FTPA because it does provide more stability and certainty and because coalitions are possible in the future. If parliament as a whole wishes to override it there are mechanisms for that to occur.
As for globalisation , it cannot be stopped. Nor can automation..
Of course, if you want to work in a car industry making cars manually at 1960s wage levels, you can... because that is the alternative. But no-one will buy your cars because cars built by robots are better,- consistent quality etc.
China has undermined cheap manufacturing in the West. Its sellers are now undermining UK shops and wholesellers. Why spend £50 for a product in the UK when you can buy direct from the maker for 25% of the price.?
We are fast approaching a time when those without key skills will be unemployable unless they are prepared to work in agriculture or the care industries.. These are labour intensive..
The UK welfare system will not survive not will the NHS..
If they vote Yes, and that sticks, the real contenders will emerge, and Eagle will wing it back to Wallasey.
If No, the split is on, and a leadership election serves no purpose.
“use the opportunity of a strengthening economy to deliver security for working people.” Cameron clearly saw the need to tackle entrenched poverty through social action, and was planning to spend his final years in office helping the least well off through intervention and through trying to make opportunities more equal.
Rupert Myers thinks this has been knocked for six by Brexit:
Cameron himself won’t get the chance to implement this. Nobody will even remember that he attempted it, overshadowed as his legacy will be so completely by the referendum ... Brexit means years of government manpower diverted. The best and the brightest won’t be focusing on helping the poorest in our society, but to clambering around for trade deals. In the long run, Britain may be better off from Brexit, but there is a real risk that it will come at the expense of opportunities for the very poorest in society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8
Trouble is Mr Fish, we've heard the same arguments about technology destroying jobs since at least the 1970s.
And yet there are more working in the UK now than ever.
Are these robots self mending, self maintaining, self selling, self delivering?
One reason Oneplus is so focussed on selling to the West is that it allows them to charge 50% more than they could sell the phones for in China itself....
And if you are interested in this stuff The Inevitable by Kevin Kelly will show exactly what will happen over the next 30 years - as its already in motion....
The other book I was reading at the same time back in early June was The Mandibles: A Family, 2029-2047 by Lionel Shriver. It starts with the USA economy collapsing. It finishes with China exporting its OAPs to be cared for in the cheapest labour market in the world (the USA)..
The idea that our best and brightest _have_ been focusing on helping the poorest in our society, only to be diverted from their noble task by the pesky EUref is risible.
Charlie Falconer has resigned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/9926894/Labour-MP-embarrassed-after-claiming-that-white-or-black-smoke-tweet-about-the-Pope-is-about-race.html
What I would say though is that having Remainers as PM, CoE and Foreign Secretary should be a non-starter. A prominent LEAVER should fill at least one of these roles.
And Mr (Punishment Budget) Osborne shouldn't anywhere near the government.
If as everyone expects public vote = Corbyn on ballot, secret ballot = Corbyn out
then it follows that if you are voting for Corbyn in public you need to go for a public vote...
The thing above all others that must be tackled is BREXIT: Cameron knew that he couldn't manage this feat, and neither will an unreformed Cameronian cabinet be able to..
Labour NEC vote 17-15 to hold secret votes on proceedings today
Corbyn's in trouble.
I don't know if she will or not, but she won't be intimidated either way.
Jeremy Corbyn is about to be excluded from Labour NEC meeting. Secret ballots thought to favour critics.