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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,013
    RodCrosby said:

    EPG said:

    We aren't seeing narrow Trump leads in Minnesota, Maine or New Jersey.

    Minnesota and Pennsylvania (and New York) do show signs of moving towards Trump, while not yet in the Red column.

    Early days, though, admittedly...
    The reader may be helped by seeing those Clinton poll leads since March, in chronological order:
    Pennsylvania 5, 8, 13, 3, 0, 15.
    New York 25, 23, 19, 20, 16, 18, 16, 29, 20, 19, 26.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2016
    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Danny565 said:

    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle

    But what about 2012? ;)
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Danny565 said:

    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle

    If nothing changes between now and then, we should expect Labour to lose by 10% in 2020, ceding perhaps another 15-20 seats to the Tories, on current boundaries...
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited May 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    Danny565 said:

    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle

    If nothing changes between now and then, we should expect Labour to lose by 10% in 2020, ceding perhaps another 15-20 seats to the Tories, on current boundaries...
    Why would there be a swing away from Labour in 2020, when there was a swing towards them compared to the comparative point in the electoral cycle.

    Historical precedent would suggest a 3-5% Tory lead in 2020 on the basis of these figures.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Danny565 said:

    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle

    The gap between LD and UKIP a lot smaller than most forecasts.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    What were both railings and bbc NEV ?

    BBC was Labour 31%, Tories 30%.

    I've not seen the Rallings & Thrasher projections yet.
    A straw in the wind for CON minority in 2020 perhaps. But very early days of course
    Academics say the numbers are very good for Tories.
    No they don't. There has been a 2% swing to Labour as compared to this point in the last electoral cycle, which suggests Tory minority.
    Figures I have seen quoted from academic modelling are predicted 39/30 & 37/30 for 2020 and 92% Tories to win.
    Indeed - there is an extremely high probability Tories will get most votes in 2020, but, as 2010 showed, that is not necessarily the same as getting a majority.

    If there was a swing to Labour in 2016 as compared to 2011, then it follows to expect a swing to Labour in 2020 as compared to 2015. And any swing to Labour no matter how small most likely means no Tory majority.
    39/30 or 37/30 is tory majority...which are the two sets of figures released by two different academic models. But as I say in other post, lots of flux & uncertainty with change of leader(s) & high potential for choppy economy.

    I am going to wait and see at least 12 months before even starting to think about my betting positions for 2020. At the moment there is no real signs corbynism is sweeping the nation, but a long way to go.
    A lot depends on the Lib Dem vote. Remember the Tories won in 2015 not because there was a swing from Labour to Tory. But the LD vote collapsed.
    There was a Lab to Tory swing where it mattered.

    Had Labour not lost any seats to the Tories, the Tories wouldn't have a majority.
    Wrong ! There was a net swing of 2 from Con to Lab. [ OK - not enough ]. But that did not win the election for the Tories.

    It was the 27 gains the Tories made from the Lib Dems.
    No, It was a swing of 0.3%

    Con 36.9 (+0.8%)
    Lab 30.4 (+1.4%)

    1.4-0.8 = 0.6
    0.6/2 = 0.3%
    Those are UK figures. In England there was a swing from Con to Lab of just over 1 per cent.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    viewcode said:

    Not that Lynton Crosby is exactly a nice, polite fellow either, Khan won by ruthlessly destroying Zac as inexperienced and out of touch, he won, he may not be particularly pleasant but he does know how to win a campaign and managed to successfully rebuff the Crosby attacks on him

    Lynton is a bit of a one-trick pony, the trick in question being "Let's Be A Bit Racist". Identify a group and go "ew" a lot, whether it's Eastern Europeans (2005), Europe (2009), or Scots (2015). I assume adopting a similar technique for London 2016 (Muslims!) failed because there are enough Muslims in London to render the attack blunt.
    The guy sounds pure evil.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    justin124 said:

    viewcode said:

    Not that Lynton Crosby is exactly a nice, polite fellow either, Khan won by ruthlessly destroying Zac as inexperienced and out of touch, he won, he may not be particularly pleasant but he does know how to win a campaign and managed to successfully rebuff the Crosby attacks on him

    Lynton is a bit of a one-trick pony, the trick in question being "Let's Be A Bit Racist". Identify a group and go "ew" a lot, whether it's Eastern Europeans (2005), Europe (2009), or Scots (2015). I assume adopting a similar technique for London 2016 (Muslims!) failed because there are enough Muslims in London to render the attack blunt.
    The guy sounds pure evil.
    Not one for hyperbole, are we?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited May 2016
    The German Social Democrats now have two parties less than 10% behind them using the latest polling averages from 7 pollsters:

    SPD 21%
    Greens 13%
    AfD 12%

    http://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
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    The Telegraph Business News:

    "Greek debt crisis threatens to flare up ahead of Brexit vote"

    Oh dear, not that again!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,130
    Danny565 said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Danny565 said:

    OFFICIAL RALLINGS & THRASHER LOCAL ELECTION FIGURES

    Labour 33%
    Conservatives 32%
    Lib Dems 14%
    UKIP 12%

    A swing to Labour of 4% since 2015, and of 1% to Labour since 2011, the comparative point in the last electoral cycle

    If nothing changes between now and then, we should expect Labour to lose by 10% in 2020, ceding perhaps another 15-20 seats to the Tories, on current boundaries...
    Why would there be a swing away from Labour in 2020, when there was a swing towards them compared to the comparative point in the electoral cycle.

    Historical precedent would suggest a 3-5% Tory lead in 2020 on the basis of these figures.
    Don't argue with Rod on swingback.

    Just don't....
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,646

    Identify a group and go "ew" a lot

    I think you just summarised the next 689 editions of the Groan in 9 words :-)

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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:


    No, he obviously did have dementia, he died of alzheimers, who knows when it actually started is my point

    You can't "die of Alzheimers".

    Death will result from complications brought on by the condition such as a heart attack, strokes, lung infections, kidney failure etc.
    So Alzheimers is the root cause
    Thank you for conceding the point.
    You're welcome.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,080
    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:


    No, he obviously did have dementia, he died of alzheimers, who knows when it actually started is my point

    You can't "die of Alzheimers".

    Death will result from complications brought on by the condition such as a heart attack, strokes, lung infections, kidney failure etc.
    So Alzheimers is the root cause
    Thank you for conceding the point.
    You're welcome.
    No nothing to concede, if he had not had Alzheimers he would likely still have been alive
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