I am hoping someone has reported Shah to the police for her truly revolting posts on social media.
What does it have to do with the police? She has the right of free speech - all the more so as an MP.
As a strong advocate of true free speech, not the heavily proscribed version available in the UK, I would agree except that outside of the privileges of the HoC, I don't see why MPs should have greater rights to free speech than citizens. If anything, it should be the other way around so that the citizenry can hold their elected representatives accountable.
However, if the police have investigated less as hate speech in others, then the same interpretation of the law must be applied in this case. Otherwise, it is one law for us, and another for Labour MPs.
I agree with that. I don't think it's any business of the police involving themselves in any hate speech unless it's an incitement to criminality. The same rules should apply to MPs as anyone else. Of course, as you imply, their electorate and their party might take a dim view of an MP exploiting that liberty to its extremes but that's a different thing.
Oh - and why is anyone surprised that Corbyn is taking no action against Ms Shah. He would have to confront his own support for anti-Semites and Hamas. Better to pretend that she is so stupid that she repeatedly writes and says things she doesn't believe.
Btw, I think it's a strength in an article if it doesn't just show the impression of the latest polls. I can read the polls myself and don't need someone to tell me that 43 is 2 more than 41. Besides, in betting you want to anticipate changes in polling. So articles that try to dig down into what the writer thinks is really going on are to me very welcome. They may not be correct but they are interesting.
The two sides appear to be just about neck and neck in the polls. This could well be illusory, and Remain could win with a handsome margin, but we no evidence that that will happen.
So why all the pages and pages of diagnosis and advice on where it's all gone wrong for Leave? If you told me before this campaign started that Leave would be in the position they are now, I wouldn't have believed you.
If anything, is it not more interesting to consider why Remain aren't at least 10 points clear, and why they seem to be underperforming expectations so markedly? What can Remain do to turn things around? That might be an interesting thread.
This all reminds me of the dismissive, smug arrogance of the US lobby journalists disparaging Trump and wondering why he kept defying their expert analysis. Failing to understand your rival springs to mind...
The two sides appear to be just about neck and neck in the polls. This could well be illusory, and Remain could win with a handsome margin, but we no evidence that that will happen.
So why all the pages and pages of diagnosis and advice on where it's all gone wrong for Leave? If you told me before this campaign started that Leave would be in the position they are now, I wouldn't have believed you.
If anything, is it not more interesting to consider why Remain aren't at least 10 points clear, and why they seem to be underperforming expectations so markedly? What can Remain do to turn things around? That might be an interesting thread.
Yes it might.
If I had been asked that three weeks ago I would have said that Remain needed to regain the initiative which they had lost at that point. I think they have done that and that their position will slowly improve from here if things continue like this. If...
I am hoping someone has reported Shah to the police for her truly revolting posts on social media.
What does it have to do with the police? She has the right of free speech - all the more so as an MP.
As a strong advocate of true free speech, not the heavily proscribed version available in the UK, I would agree except that outside of the privileges of the HoC, I don't see why MPs should have greater rights to free speech than citizens. If anything, it should be the other way around so that the citizenry can hold their elected representatives accountable.
However, if the police have investigated less as hate speech in others, then the same interpretation of the law must be applied in this case. Otherwise, it is one law for us, and another for Labour MPs.
I agree with that. I don't think it's any business of the police involving themselves in any hate speech unless it's an incitement to criminality. The same rules should apply to MPs as anyone else. Of course, as you imply, their electorate and their party might take a dim view of an MP exploiting that liberty to its extremes but that's a different thing.
Immigration is why Leave will win. It is also why a lot of Leave voters are subsequently going to feel betrayed.
That doesn't make sense
Southam is saying that - post Leave - it is highly likely that we end up with something that looks like EEA, in which case there will be a lot of Leavers who will feel betrayed.
There's been a lot from Remainers recently recommending Leave play the immigration card.
One can only assume they're slavering at the chance to jump on Leave as a bunch of unsavoury racists desperately playing the 'johnny foreigner out' card.
I suspect they think this will 'fire up' Leave's left wing base, who seem to have stayed very muted throughout the campaign, whilst not really delivering any more voters to Leave, because immigration is factored in.
I'd take anything the Remain campaigners say with a very big pinch of salt.
Btw, I think it's a strength in an article if it doesn't just show the impression of the latest polls. I can read the polls myself and don't need someone to tell me that 43 is 2 more than 41. Besides, in betting you want to anticipate changes in polling. So articles that try to dig down into what the writer thinks is really going on are to me very welcome. They may not be correct but they are interesting.
Oh - and why is anyone surprised that Corbyn is taking no action against Ms Shah. He would have to confront his own support for anti-Semites and Hamas. Better to pretend that she is so stupid that she repeatedly writes and says things she doesn't believe.
I have been wondering how mainstream her views are on the Corbynite left.
Immigration is why Leave will win. It is also why a lot of Leave voters are subsequently going to feel betrayed.
That doesn't make sense
Southam is saying that - post Leave - it is highly likely that we end up with something that looks like EEA, in which case there will be a lot of Leavers who will feel betrayed.
Nope, still doesn't make sense.
This govt could control immigration if it chose to, it clearly doesn't want to despite Cameron's claims of tens of thousands blah blah.
Miss Plato, as Michael Corleone said, don't despise your enemies.
Charles Murray wrote about the rise of a new American upper class and the “narrow elites” who shape America’s economy, culture and government. The number of players who dominate the direction of media, politics and finance is surprisingly concentrated for a country as sprawling and diverse as the United States. And yet almost all of these “influencers” across Manhattan and Washington were incapable of blunting Trump’s meteoric rise. Time and again over the past year, Washington insiders and media moguls misread the mood of working-class voters and their attraction to the populist message championed by Trump.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
Yes, of course, I don't doubt that there are activists in Labour who abhor it and are 100% against it, but I fear the leadership has looked at the sums and decided that the numbers make sense to pursue a policy platform which attracts Muslim voters.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews, but everything to do with it disliking Israel because it is such a close ally of the US. This hatred leads Corbyn, McDonnell et al to contort themselves into offering justifications for and support to anti-Semites. It is sickening and a betrayal of all that labour is supposed to be. But they are ever so polite.
The two sides appear to be just about neck and neck in the polls. This could well be illusory, and Remain could win with a handsome margin, but we no evidence that that will happen.
So why all the pages and pages of diagnosis and advice on where it's all gone wrong for Leave? If you told me before this campaign started that Leave would be in the position they are now, I wouldn't have believed you.
If anything, is it not more interesting to consider why Remain aren't at least 10 points clear, and why they seem to be underperforming expectations so markedly? What can Remain do to turn things around? That might be an interesting thread.
The reason Remain is confident is that - excluding Orb - there are a large number of Don't Knows. The evidence is that DKs have the same propensity to vote as people who express an opinion, and that DKs typically break 2:1 for the status quo during referenda. This is backed up by the forced choice question used some pollsters, which see DKs also break for Remain.
Now, that doesn't mean we should be disheartened: there are still eight weeks to go, and Remain seems to be largely out of ideas. We stand a good chance of getting this over the line, but (if we're going to be frank) it's a one-in-four, or maybe one-in-three.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
Yes, of course, I don't doubt that there are activists in Labour who abhor it and are 100% against it, but I fear the leadership has looked at the sums and decided that the numbers make sense to pursue a policy platform which attracts Muslim voters.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews,
Camp Bestival is a great festival for youngsters, and very chilled for adults too. There usually are some eighties bands too. Best fireworks and laser show that I have ever seen.
Immigration is why Leave will win. It is also why a lot of Leave voters are subsequently going to feel betrayed.
That doesn't make sense
Southam is saying that - post Leave - it is highly likely that we end up with something that looks like EEA, in which case there will be a lot of Leavers who will feel betrayed.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
Yes, of course, I don't doubt that there are activists in Labour who abhor it and are 100% against it, but I fear the leadership has looked at the sums and decided that the numbers make sense to pursue a policy platform which attracts Muslim voters.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews,
Utter nonsense SO.
Nope - completely correct. Anti-Americanism explains just about everything you need to know about the Corbyn left. That's why so many anti-Semitic Moslems feel at home inside Labour.
Immigration is why Leave will win. It is also why a lot of Leave voters are subsequently going to feel betrayed.
That doesn't make sense
Southam is saying that - post Leave - it is highly likely that we end up with something that looks like EEA, in which case there will be a lot of Leavers who will feel betrayed.
Yes.
Then those people will vote accordingly over time. Shrugging your shoulders and saying nothing can be done won't be an option forever.
Oh - and why is anyone surprised that Corbyn is taking no action against Ms Shah. He would have to confront his own support for anti-Semites and Hamas. Better to pretend that she is so stupid that she repeatedly writes and says things she doesn't believe.
I have been wondering how mainstream her views are on the Corbynite left.
Rather more mainstream than people are assuming. Hatred of Israel and Jews and an indifference to anti-Semitism and / or a willingness to excuse it or justify it, coupled with a refusal to accept that, too often, Islam or Islamism is the source of it seems par for the course In some sections of the Left. It must make decent Lefties despair. But despairing rather than acting is all they do. So my sympathy for them is beginning to run out, frankly.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
Yes, of course, I don't doubt that there are activists in Labour who abhor it and are 100% against it, but I fear the leadership has looked at the sums and decided that the numbers make sense to pursue a policy platform which attracts Muslim voters.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews,
Utter nonsense SO.
Nope - completely correct. Anti-Americanism explains just about everything you need to know about the Corbyn left. That's why so many anti-Semitic Moslems feel at home inside Labour.
Well, there is such a thing as anti-Semitism on the left distinct from anti-Americanism or, indeed, any concern with Israel. The idea that Jew = capitalist = bad is not dead.
I hope this isn't the start of a worrying trend, some of us said that the London Mayor campaign would be fought along cultural/religious lines and it has certainly crept in. If, and it is if, Labour are seeking to firm up the Muslim vote that should be of enormous concern.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
Yes, of course, I don't doubt that there are activists in Labour who abhor it and are 100% against it, but I fear the leadership has looked at the sums and decided that the numbers make sense to pursue a policy platform which attracts Muslim voters.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews,
Utter nonsense SO.
Nope - completely correct. Anti-Americanism explains just about everything you need to know about the Corbyn left. That's why so many anti-Semitic Moslems feel at home inside Labour.
Can you point us to some anti-American tweets or articles by Labour types ?
I hope this isn't the start of a worrying trend, some of us said that the London Mayor campaign would be fought along cultural/religious lines and it has certainly crept in. If, and it is if, Labour are seeking to firm up the Muslim vote that should be of enormous concern.
There's no doubt Labour don't want to risk upsetting their bloc vote in Tower Hamlets and Newham. They can't win the London mayoralty without it.
This is why she should have resigned. By supporting her Corbyn has blown it up into something much bigger.
A Labour MP is going to address the Commons and personally apologise for being an anti-Semite.
I mean, how much worse can it get? Can't they see how damaging it is?
Damaging from who's point of view though? From a point of view which gets 10-15% of their total votes from Muslims, probably not. There is going to be a lot more handwringing and acceptance of disturbing views by Labour in the coming years as they become more dependent on inner cities. Ask surbiton of this parish, Muslim vote harvesting is a Labour policy, he has said as much time and again.
Anti-Semitism is virtually non-existent in WWC Britain.
I think the equation that Labour have made is that there are 400,000 Jews eligible to vote in Britain and about 2.5m Muslims, the former group is shrinking and the latter is the fastest growing demographic in Britain.
I think they figure that even if they lose some votes they get more out of motivating Muslims to vote for them.
I wouldn't say "Labour" as a whole. Many Labour activists have nothing but contempt for anti-Semitism.
But, I think some members of the Party have made that calculation.
But it repels white voters. That's the point. Labour is in danger of becoming the "Muslim" party, which is a fast track to total self-destruction.
The Labour leadership tolerates anti-Semitism because the leadership is profoundly anti-American. It has nothing to do with the leadership disliking Jews,
Utter nonsense SO.
Nope - completely correct. Anti-Americanism explains just about everything you need to know about the Corbyn left. That's why so many anti-Semitic Moslems feel at home inside Labour.
Well, there is such a thing as anti-Semitism on the left distinct from anti-Americanism or, indeed, any concern with Israel. The idea that Jew = capitalist = bad is not dead.
I'd say that is about as significant as that type of anti-Semitism on the right. It's a throwback to the 20s and 30s essentially.
I think Leave have one big advantage and one big disadvantage against Remain, which may explain why the two sides are close.
Leave's big advantage is that they have a much simpler story: Vote Leave to take control of our own affairs. Any Remain reply to that statement is qualified and complicated. Arguments for the EU go along the lines of, I accept they are remote, bureaucratic and corrupt, but it's better to have a forum where countries get together than not to have one. A glass half full is better than no glass at all - is hardly an inspiring slogan.
Leave's difficulty is is in coming up with a coherent and credible alternative to membership of the EU. Yes, we can leave easily enough but the EU is still there and we will want to have some kind of relationship. Do we go for an EEA deal? But that neutralises the main perceived benefit of leaving. Would it actually work - we're not Norway. Or do we go for glorious isolation with implications for trade? And so on.The response is muddled partly because you are replacing a definite thing with proposals with options and everyone has opinions. And partly because it's not under your control anyway.
I think the second point will tell in the end, if we don't vote for Out in June. Barring an EU cataclysm - always possible - we'll stay in for the foreseeable. Swimming upstream gets to be too tiring.
Well, there is such a thing as anti-Semitism on the left distinct from anti-Americanism or, indeed, any concern with Israel. The idea that Jew = capitalist = bad is not dead.
I'd say that is about as significant as that type of anti-Semitism on the right. It's a throwback to the 20s and 30s essentially.
I think that's right. It is also, in my experience, more common amongst older people.
Oh - and why is anyone surprised that Corbyn is taking no action against Ms Shah. He would have to confront his own support for anti-Semites and Hamas. Better to pretend that she is so stupid that she repeatedly writes and says things she doesn't believe.
I have been wondering how mainstream her views are on the Corbynite left.
Rather more mainstream than people are assuming. Hatred of Israel and Jews and an indifference to anti-Semitism and / or a willingness to excuse it or justify it, coupled with a refusal to accept that, too often, Islam or Islamism is the source of it seems par for the course In some sections of the Left. It must make decent Lefties despair. But despairing rather than acting is all they do. So my sympathy for them is beginning to run out, frankly.
I see tweets every other day confirming this view - its not a tiny minority by any stretch. Sad, but true. I don't seek them out either - they just spring up.
The Naz Shah thing can only be good for Remain. The very word 'anti-Semitism' summons up one thing: a bloke with a silly moustache stomping around Europe raising hell. Like it or loathe it, the plodding EU with its mundane rules, its trivial preoccupations and its political correctness is in absolute contrast to the horrors that preceded its existence. Shah has given us a glimpse of humanity's dark past. Reminded of that, people will opt to stick with what's familiar and boring.
Ken Livingstone on Naz Shah as she is suspended from Labour: "No I don’t think her comments were anti-Semitic." @LBC
Labour need to find their Theresa May to deliver a 'nasty party' wake up call speech. Except in their case it will be, "Some people call us the Nazi party."
The two sides appear to be just about neck and neck in the polls. This could well be illusory, and Remain could win with a handsome margin, but we no evidence that that will happen.
So why all the pages and pages of diagnosis and advice on where it's all gone wrong for Leave? If you told me before this campaign started that Leave would be in the position they are now, I wouldn't have believed you.
If anything, is it not more interesting to consider why Remain aren't at least 10 points clear, and why they seem to be underperforming expectations so markedly? What can Remain do to turn things around? That might be an interesting thread.
The reason Remain is confident is that - excluding Orb - there are a large number of Don't Knows. The evidence is that DKs have the same propensity to vote as people who express an opinion, and that DKs typically break 2:1 for the status quo during referenda. This is backed up by the forced choice question used some pollsters, which see DKs also break for Remain.
Now, that doesn't mean we should be disheartened: there are still eight weeks to go, and Remain seems to be largely out of ideas. We stand a good chance of getting this over the line, but (if we're going to be frank) it's a one-in-four, or maybe one-in-three.
The two sides appear to be just about neck and neck in the polls. This could well be illusory, and Remain could win with a handsome margin, but we no evidence that that will happen.
So why all the pages and pages of diagnosis and advice on where it's all gone wrong for Leave? If you told me before this campaign started that Leave would be in the position they are now, I wouldn't have believed you.
If anything, is it not more interesting to consider why Remain aren't at least 10 points clear, and why they seem to be underperforming expectations so markedly? What can Remain do to turn things around? That might be an interesting thread.
The reason Remain is confident is that - excluding Orb - there are a large number of Don't Knows. The evidence is that DKs have the same propensity to vote as people who express an opinion, and that DKs typically break 2:1 for the status quo during referenda. This is backed up by the forced choice question used some pollsters, which see DKs also break for Remain.
Now, that doesn't mean we should be disheartened: there are still eight weeks to go, and Remain seems to be largely out of ideas. We stand a good chance of getting this over the line, but (if we're going to be frank) it's a one-in-four, or maybe one-in-three.
but what about respective turnouts?
That's one of our hopes.
The second is that the polls - like in Austria - are simply wrong.
Ilford North (large Muslim population) was gained by Labour in 2015 whilst the tories held Harrow east (large Hindu population) and also held Hendon ( large jewish population) do you think the Tory candidate jewishness played a big part in him (very narrowly) losing?
@jameskirkup: Was about to start writing leader on Labour. Think I'll have another coffee first, just in case something else explodes. Seumas gone by 6pm?
@jameskirkup: Was about to start writing leader on Labour. Think I'll have another coffee first, just in case something else explodes. Seumas gone by 6pm?
Not sure the Guardian want him back...and the Tories will be all out "Operation Save Chairman Milne"...
Comments
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/what-a-week-for-integration-britain/
Oh - and why is anyone surprised that Corbyn is taking no action against Ms Shah. He would have to confront his own support for anti-Semites and Hamas. Better to pretend that she is so stupid that she repeatedly writes and says things she doesn't believe.
If I had been asked that three weeks ago I would have said that Remain needed to regain the initiative which they had lost at that point. I think they have done that and that their position will slowly improve from here if things continue like this. If...
I'm slightly embarrassed that my first thought is what will this mean for our medal hopes in Rio.
This govt could control immigration if it chose to, it clearly doesn't want to despite Cameron's claims of tens of thousands blah blah.
Now, that doesn't mean we should be disheartened: there are still eight weeks to go, and Remain seems to be largely out of ideas. We stand a good chance of getting this over the line, but (if we're going to be frank) it's a one-in-four, or maybe one-in-three.
Camp Bestival is a great festival for youngsters, and very chilled for adults too. There usually are some eighties bands too. Best fireworks and laser show that I have ever seen.
I'm game... I can do Bestival and Boomtown
Hope he quits now!
Took some doing !
Leave's big advantage is that they have a much simpler story: Vote Leave to take control of our own affairs. Any Remain reply to that statement is qualified and complicated. Arguments for the EU go along the lines of, I accept they are remote, bureaucratic and corrupt, but it's better to have a forum where countries get together than not to have one. A glass half full is better than no glass at all - is hardly an inspiring slogan.
Leave's difficulty is is in coming up with a coherent and credible alternative to membership of the EU. Yes, we can leave easily enough but the EU is still there and we will want to have some kind of relationship. Do we go for an EEA deal? But that neutralises the main perceived benefit of leaving. Would it actually work - we're not Norway. Or do we go for glorious isolation with implications for trade? And so on.The response is muddled partly because you are replacing a definite thing with proposals with options and everyone has opinions. And partly because it's not under your control anyway.
I think the second point will tell in the end, if we don't vote for Out in June. Barring an EU cataclysm - always possible - we'll stay in for the foreseeable. Swimming upstream gets to be too tiring.
“Jeremy Corbyn and Naz Shah have mutually agreed that she is administratively suspended from the Labour Party by the General Secretary."
"mutually agreed" - FFS...
She's probably ruthless enough to be thinking about how she could end up on top of the ticket in a brokered convention.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36154201
That's buried the Labour bad news....not that the BBC have been particularly interested.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36148704
Aunty got there in the end bless her, - front page too.
HS1 (ie. the Javelin trains) in Kent is only permitted a top speed of 140 mph!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela_Express
He'd probably excuse Goebbels.
If you're with Three you're sorted.
For 6 months..
The second is that the polls - like in Austria - are simply wrong.
They're putting my bill up to £20 a month from May, but I can't find a cheaper all you can eat data one...
Clever !
innocent face thingy
You know, bloody foreigners coming over here and interfering.