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Today’s been a huge one in the build up to June 23rd. The Treasury statement announced by Osborne this morning has met with a furious reaction from the LEAVE and looking at the above polling you can see why.
I look forward to the lengthy explanations from all those posters who kept telling me that immigration and the EU were one and the same in the public's mind.
I look forward to the lengthy explanations from all those posters who kept telling me that immigration and the EU were one and the same in the public's mind.
There;'s generally correlation in the ICM issues index. Schools and hospitals are by far the highest though..
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising upon it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
I'm surprised Leave haven't made more of Sir Stuart Rose's gaffe a few weeks earlier.
I look forward to the lengthy explanations from all those posters who kept telling me that immigration and the EU were one and the same in the public's mind.
They are not. That is why it would be foolish for the Tories to interpret a vote to Remain in the EU as a endorsement of the current levels of immigration.
The £4,300 number has already been shown to be a complete sham in less than 12 hours. It is just another three million jobs. Except this one is owned by George Osborne and Stephen Crabb rather than Nick Clegg.
Another lie. The leave campaign is Vote Leave. The traitors selling us out to the EU are willing to stoop to any depth.
They may be willing to stoop to any depth, but in terms of scandalous political tactics, equating a Leave campaign with the Leave campaign, that is to say the official one, is not much to write home about, particularly if the former did say that.
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
No CAP - lower food prices Stuart Rose - higher wages EU contributions - reduced, more money for NHS Our own regulations and trade deals - more trade and growth Lower immigration - more affordable housing for all
"Vote Leave" works much better as a call to action in the high street. The guy handing out leaflets calling out "Britain stronger in Europe" seemed to trip over the words which had limited impact.
Street politics doesn't matter, but vote leave is catchier.
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
I'm surprised Leave haven't made more of Sir Stuart Rose's gaffe a few weeks earlier.
I'd have been hammering that message every day
I've been hammering away saying they should be hammering away at that too.
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
I'm surprised Leave haven't made more of Sir Stuart Rose's gaffe a few weeks earlier.
I'd have been hammering that message every day
I'll be honest, Vote Leave at present strike me as a bit cerebral and rather lacking in campaigning nouse. But in the end I think we all know this is more of a battle of bigger forces. Inertia vs fear vs anti-establishment feeling vs product vs old vs young etc.etc. I'm not sure how much difference any of this will make.
Another lie. The leave campaign is Vote Leave. The traitors selling us out to the EU are willing to stoop to any depth.
They may be willing to stoop to any depth, but in terms of scandalous political tactics, equating a Leave campaign with the Leave campaign, that is to say the official one, is not much to write home about, particularly if the former did say that.
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
Another lie. The leave campaign is Vote Leave. The traitors selling us out to the EU are willing to stoop to any depth.
They may be willing to stoop to any depth, but in terms of scandalous political tactics, equating a Leave campaign with the Leave campaign, that is to say the official one, is not much to write home about, particularly if the former did say that.
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
It says it all that the lies of Remain are so ubiquitous we now have to rank them in severity. And I suppose all their lies added together are a small sin relative to buying the referendum with borrowing on the national credit card. Only a completely corrupt political elite would do that.
Probably a silly move to send them, even for training (not to be cynical, but I hope it is more effective than it sometimes appears, in places like Iraq), but of course a vote isn't needed. While not a terrible idea for parliament to have been consulted more than in the past on military matters, probably a good idea to reinforce the point the government can act on its own, as sometimes it might well be necessary to do so with some urgency.
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
I'm surprised Leave haven't made more of Sir Stuart Rose's gaffe a few weeks earlier.
I'd have been hammering that message every day
I'll be honest, Vote Leave at present strike me as a bit cerebral and rather lacking in campaigning nouse. But in the end I think we all know this is more of a battle of bigger forces. Inertia vs fear vs anti-establishment feeling vs product vs old vs young etc.etc. I'm not sure how much difference any of this will make.
I think that's Gove's influence, he's the Sir Keith Josepth kinda guy.
Boris is the front man, and popular too.
I also think neither of them will go after Remain's front man, David Cameron, so they are trying to frame the debate as Remain is the risk.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
Another lie. The leave campaign is Vote Leave. The traitors selling us out to the EU are willing to stoop to any depth.
They may be willing to stoop to any depth, but in terms of scandalous political tactics, equating a Leave campaign with the Leave campaign, that is to say the official one, is not much to write home about, particularly if the former did say that.
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
Another lie. The leave campaign is Vote Leave. The traitors selling us out to the EU are willing to stoop to any depth.
They may be willing to stoop to any depth, but in terms of scandalous political tactics, equating a Leave campaign with the Leave campaign, that is to say the official one, is not much to write home about, particularly if the former did say that.
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
And I suppose all their lies added together are a small sin relative to buying the referendum with borrowing on the national credit card.
I assume you mean the £7million mail out ahead of the campaign period. Yeah, that was a sneaky move.
In terms of it speaking how bad they are that we are reduced to ranking the severity of their 'lies', but really that just seems pretty normal practice - politics is about spin, half truths and obfuscations, no side or campaign is going to be squeaky clean after wrestling in the mud, so it'll always come down to a debate on which side is the most filthy.
Michael Gove and Boris Johnson are decent patriots. But they must remember the country is more important than their friends leading the Conservative Party.
Likewise. I'm in the 'democracy / sovereignty' sub-set.
Yep. Same for me. I know I am in a very small minority but this has never been about immigration for me and if that was the only reason for Brexit I would not be supporting it.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
I bought Spurs on the spreads this morning, hugely impressive again tonight and Leicester are feeling the pressure.
Exclusive Sir Lynton Crosby, the strategist behind the Conservative's election victory, says that the Remain campaign is pulling ahead as the referendum approaches
As the countdown to the referendum begins its final phase the Remain campaign has seen further improvement in its position according to the latest ORB Poll for the The Telegraph.
While there is a growing majority preference among UK voters for Britain to remain in the EU, the risk for the Remain campaign as identified in previous ORB polls continues to be that Leave voters are more motivated to vote at this stage of the referendum campaign.
However, the gap in motivation to turnout and vote between the two sides is closing. The latest ORB poll shows those who want the UK to remain in the EU are becoming more motivated to vote. This research shows that turnout overall is up three points (to 67 per cent).
This turnout jump is completely down to an increase in motivation among Remain voters – where 65% (up four points since the previous track) are now likely to cast a vote. Contrastingly, there has been no change in motivation among Leave voters, with 70 per cent saying that they are definite to vote on referendum day.
If a referendum was held today, Remain would secure 52 per cent of the vote, an increase of three points since the previous ORB poll, while Leave would secure 43 per cent of the vote, a decrease of five points since the previous poll. But this isn’t solely down to an improvement in turnout among Remain voters
It seems that Gove has finally been provoked into action. Not sure that was a good idea for Osborne either. He has been very quiet up to now since his original contributions.
Good line from Gove. Has the potential to rebound, perhaps, but like a lot of people the EU puts my back up with their patronising BS all the time, so it is easier to imagine defenses of it being similarly high handed and patronising than the reverse attack (Leave behaving like illogical children).
On topic, I think SeanT has a point. While, in most instances, I would agree such a strong showing for economic matters being the most important factor would be good for remain, it still appears very close despite being overwhelmingly the most important factor, so it may be the case it is not as effective as that figure suggests it will be.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
I bought Spurs on the spreads this morning, hugely impressive again tonight and Leicester are feeling the pressure.
Today we have the Government advising us that we are getting 3 million more immigrants. A simply staggering number. One of Osborne's facts. This is going to go down like a bucket of cold sick with the working class voters. 9 weeks is plenty of time to communicate that fact.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
I bought Spurs on the spreads this morning, hugely impressive again tonight and Leicester are feeling the pressure.
And may be without Vardy for several games now.
Costa got an extra game, think Vardy will get the same.
The £4,300 number has already been shown to be a complete sham in less than 12 hours. It is just another three million jobs. Except this one is owned by George Osborne and Stephen Crabb rather than Nick Clegg.
Just as the 350 million saving a week by leave is. I am not at all happy with either figures but there does seem to be a shift in the media to the economy including the LSE and IFS broadly agreeing with the Treasury
If a referendum was held today, Remain would secure 52 per cent of the vote, an increase of three points since the previous ORB poll, while Leave would secure 43 per cent of the vote, a decrease of five points since the previous poll. But this isn’t solely down to an improvement in turnout among Remain voters
Or is the journalist just talking rubbish based on opinion polls that proved their skill, accuracy and perspicacity to such remarkable effect last year?
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
I bought Spurs on the spreads this morning, hugely impressive again tonight and Leicester are feeling the pressure.
And may be without Vardy for several games now.
Costa got an extra game, think Vardy will get the same.
1-0 up and doing fine and he decides to dive, what a strange decision with potentially significant consequences. Feel like they're bottling it, squeaked a lot of games, but eventually luck runs out.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Sir Lynton Crosby, the strategist behind the Conservative's election victory, says that the Remain campaign is pulling ahead as the referendum approaches
It seems that Gove has finally been provoked into action. Not sure that was a good idea for Osborne either. He has been very quiet up to now since his original contributions.
He is perhaps shocked at the lengths Cameron and Osborne will go to to win. I suspect quite a few tories are.
It seems that Gove has finally been provoked into action. Not sure that was a good idea for Osborne either. He has been very quiet up to now since his original contributions.
He is perhaps shocked at the lengths Cameron and Osborne will go to to win. I suspect quite a few tories are.
Why? Dave and George have been dishing out this shit for years. It's their signature. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
Today we have the Government advising us that we are getting 3 million more immigrants. A simply staggering number. One of Osborne's facts. This is going to go down like a bucket of cold sick with the working class voters. 9 weeks is plenty of time to communicate that fact.
I spoke to soon. I see that some newspapers have seized on the 3 million figure. Is this the start of another omnishambles event from Osborne with his "brilliant 200 page plan" unravelling within 24 hours?
Upsetting but very effective. It was a stupid thing to say and no mistake, and Remain are well advised in capitalising it. No point in denial or equivocation, just be on the attack at the next opportunity.
I'm surprised Leave haven't made more of Sir Stuart Rose's gaffe a few weeks earlier.
I'd have been hammering that message every day
I'll be honest, Vote Leave at present strike me as a bit cerebral and rather lacking in campaigning nouse. But in the end I think we all know this is more of a battle of bigger forces. Inertia vs fear vs anti-establishment feeling vs product vs old vs young etc.etc. I'm not sure how much difference any of this will make.
Vote Leave need to pull their finger out. Only 25% have heard from them, versus 44% for Remain.
I thought I'd be delivering leaflets on Saturday. I was told by the organiser that "that comes later".
I was like, how much later? July?
Then, whilst the deputy organiser went back to having his cooked breakfast, I went straight out with another guy to leaflet the public outside the community centre.
The whole country has had the Government guff, and Will Straw's smegma. That's why I've ordered 2,000 leaflets.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Ian Botham and Michael Caine have both come out for Leave. Not fashionable with the London elite but the sort of people ordinary folk respect.
How do the REMAINERS know BREXIT will cost us £4,300 per household?
It is the Treasury report that quote the figure. I think it is as unreliable as the 350 million per week leave quote is. The poll tonight seems to be the first to indicate a real move to remain. Also the NFU and the Royal College of Midwives have both come out in support of remain
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Ian Botham and Michael Caine have both come out for Leave. Not fashionable with the London elite but the sort of people ordinary folk respect.
I suspect Beefy's political influence is overstated.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
I bought Spurs on the spreads this morning, hugely impressive again tonight and Leicester are feeling the pressure.
And may be without Vardy for several games now.
Costa got an extra game, think Vardy will get the same.
1-0 up and doing fine and he decides to dive, what a strange decision with potentially significant consequences. Feel like they're bottling it, squeaked a lot of games, but eventually luck runs out.
Agree it feels like that, pressure is on big time now.
Last game is at Chelsea and we would much rather Ranieri won it than Spurs.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
That was in April 2014. OGH put a lot on Ed Miliband, and even Alastair assessed him as being odds on right up to almost the end of the election campaign.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
@chrisshipitv: Next up (if u not seen enough of him 2day) George Osborne on @agendaitv & his reaction to @bernardjenkin's withering assessment of his maths
How do the REMAINERS know BREXIT will cost us £4,300 per household?
They don't. They are just making it up.
The model is the same one used during indyref, and the main equations have been debunked as being an oversimplification for stuff like Sindy and Brexit.
The wheels have fallen off already. Is this a record for Osborne?
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Cameron and Osborne probably will get their wish and keep us locked in to the EU (with more integration and a probable switch to the Euro no doubt on the cards during the coming decades) but there is one saving grace... We'll be able to sit back and watch the spectacle of the Odious Osborne (what a nice ring that phrase has... When the papers put it in their headlines a few years hence, remember you heard it here first) being utterly eviscerated and destroyed after Cameron b*ggers off.
The wheels have fallen off already. Is this a record for Osborne?
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Leave will lose the economy case and they hope immigration will win them the day.
The wheels have fallen off already. Is this a record for Osborne?
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Leave will lose the economy case and they hope immigration will win them the day.
Leave should simply invent vaguely plausible figures, and repeat them endlessly. That seems to be how it works with Remain.
This site is teetering, fatally, on the farcical. It's not the fact that you are constantly shilling for REMAIN - that's annoying but fair, OGH is a europhile, a Lib Dem, his deputies and writers ostly feel the same - but the endless drivel you spout is simply incorrect.
If LEAVE was really as hopeless and helpless as you endlessly claim, then REMAIN would now be out of sight in the polling. But it's MOE Dead Heat.
Perhaps, as a service to political bettors, you might like to run a few threads discussing why that is the case, rather than this exercise in relentless wishful thinking.
I think the whole boring EUref campaign showcases this site's greatest strength: it's off-topic conversations.
Very much like the test match commentators on the radio when it starts raining - they go from business to entertaining conversation without missing a beat.
The wheels have fallen off already. Is this a record for Osborne?
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Leave will lose the economy case and they hope immigration will win them the day.
Leave should simply invent vaguely plausible figures, and repeat them endlessly. That seems to be how it works with Remain.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
Same here, as a fellow Hammers fan - and to think Leicester did so poorly last season!
The wheels have fallen off already. Is this a record for Osborne?
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Leave will lose the economy case and they hope immigration will win them the day.
Immigration will not work as an issue if the EEA/EFTA route is favoured.
Useless anecdote alert: just had dinner with a very will informed friend, one of the most astute persons I know. This person is super bright, gently right wing, but very free thinking, and professionally knows EVERYONE from senior Cabinet Ministers to famous TV stars to all the major journalists.
His thoughts on the referendum? Personally he s IN for selfish reasons, but he is now increasingly convinced it is too close to call. Far too close for comfort.
My friend also named an extremely well known TV personality who is absolutely the epitome of Middle Britain, and my friend said this celeb was OUT, to his total surprise. Given that this celeb is generally regarded as a bellwether for the country, my friend now fears it will go OUT.
Alan Titchmarsh?
I will confirm it is NOT Alan Titchmarsh, we are talking someone EVEN more famous.
Cameron and Osborne probably will get their wish and keep us locked in to the EU (with more integration and a probable switch to the Euro no doubt on the cards during the coming decades) but there is one saving grace... We'll be able to sit back and watch the spectacle of the Odious Osborne (what a nice ring that phrase has... When the papers put it in their headlines a few years hence, remember you heard it here first) being utterly eviscerated and destroyed after Cameron b*ggers off.
How we'll laugh!
Also fun watching the tory leave MP's and membership get revenge on the snake when the leadership contest starts.
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Oh wait, I did
https://twitter.com/StrongerIn/status/722110918906261504
Can they both lose?
I'd have been hammering that message every day
update: fixed
I may be a Leaver, but I'm quite sure if it has not already happened, someone who supports Remaining will say something really stupid, and it will be reacted to as though the PM said it personally, or at the least attributed to the 'Remain campaign', even if they are not a spokesperson for BSE, so I struggle to get worked up over such standard political fare, because I know my side will do the same, even though we have what I consider the more compelling arguments
Stuart Rose - higher wages
EU contributions - reduced, more money for NHS
Our own regulations and trade deals - more trade and growth
Lower immigration - more affordable housing for all
There you go.
"Vote Leave" works much better as a call to action in the high street. The guy handing out leaflets calling out "Britain stronger in Europe" seemed to trip over the words which had limited impact.
Street politics doesn't matter, but vote leave is catchier.
3 of most respected thinkers on right - @FraserNelson, @andrew_lilico + @AllisterHeath - all say Osborne being dishonest. Not ideal for No11
Boris is the front man, and popular too.
I also think neither of them will go after Remain's front man, David Cameron, so they are trying to frame the debate as Remain is the risk.
As a West Ham fan enjoying one of our best seasons in decades I would be genuinely disappointed if the two points we cost Leicester meant they didn't win the Premier League. It is a very long time since I have so badly wanted a team other than the Hammers to win.
In terms of it speaking how bad they are that we are reduced to ranking the severity of their 'lies', but really that just seems pretty normal practice - politics is about spin, half truths and obfuscations, no side or campaign is going to be squeaky clean after wrestling in the mud, so it'll always come down to a debate on which side is the most filthy.
@camusson: MPs Alex Salmond & Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh have been removed from Council of Europe socialist group after Labour argued SNP aren't socialists
As the countdown to the referendum begins its final phase the Remain campaign has seen further improvement in its position according to the latest ORB Poll for the The Telegraph.
While there is a growing majority preference among UK voters for Britain to remain in the EU, the risk for the Remain campaign as identified in previous ORB polls continues to be that Leave voters are more motivated to vote at this stage of the referendum campaign.
However, the gap in motivation to turnout and vote between the two sides is closing. The latest ORB poll shows those who want the UK to remain in the EU are becoming more motivated to vote. This research shows that turnout overall is up three points (to 67 per cent).
This turnout jump is completely down to an increase in motivation among Remain voters – where 65% (up four points since the previous track) are now likely to cast a vote. Contrastingly, there has been no change in motivation among Leave voters, with 70 per cent saying that they are definite to vote on referendum day.
If a referendum was held today, Remain would secure 52 per cent of the vote, an increase of three points since the previous ORB poll, while Leave would secure 43 per cent of the vote, a decrease of five points since the previous poll. But this isn’t solely down to an improvement in turnout among Remain voters
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/18/remain-pulls-ahead-of-leave-in-eu-referendum-poll-as-david-camer/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Of course it is a complete disaster for LEAVE which has not launched yet.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/18/the-treasurys-dodgy-dossier-on-brexit-is-beneath-contempt/
Fraser Nelson
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/the-deceptions-behind-george-osbornes-brexit-report/?utm_content=buffer3fa2c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
What happens to the other 5%?
Or is the journalist just talking rubbish based on opinion polls that proved their skill, accuracy and perspicacity to such remarkable effect last year?
Sir Lynton Crosby, the strategist behind the Conservative's election victory, says that the Remain campaign is pulling ahead as the referendum approaches
Osborne had done it for them.
Oops
The strange death of left-wing Euroscepticism
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/the-strange-death-of-left-wing-euroscepticism/
I thought I'd be delivering leaflets on Saturday. I was told by the organiser that "that comes later".
I was like, how much later? July?
Then, whilst the deputy organiser went back to having his cooked breakfast, I went straight out with another guy to leaflet the public outside the community centre.
The whole country has had the Government guff, and Will Straw's smegma. That's why I've ordered 2,000 leaflets.
I will deliver them myself.
Last game is at Chelsea and we would much rather Ranieri won it than Spurs.
@SamCoatesTimes: @jennirsl I'm afraid I'm going to have to refer you to the Labour press office with those questions...
What fun. Either HMG denies the figures in which case the whole dossier goes down as bunkum, or they confirm it and take a bucket of manure in the face.
Cameron and Osborne probably will get their wish and keep us locked in to the EU (with more integration and a probable switch to the Euro no doubt on the cards during the coming decades) but there is one saving grace... We'll be able to sit back and watch the spectacle of the Odious Osborne (what a nice ring that phrase has... When the papers put it in their headlines a few years hence, remember you heard it here first) being utterly eviscerated and destroyed after Cameron b*ggers off.
How we'll laugh!
David Attenborough
David Beckham
Paul McCartney
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges
ORB poll: Remain 52%, Leave 43%.
Very much like the test match commentators on the radio when it starts raining - they go from business to entertaining conversation without missing a beat.