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edited April 2016 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » If the next CON leader betting prices are an indicator then Boris is having a poor BREXIT campaign

Boris down sharply on the Betfair next CON leader market. Was a 32% chance at start of month now 22% pic.twitter.com/Bq7X1RSOMT

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    I said Boris is crap.

    BWNBPM
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,433
    There's a definite stop Boris movement in the Parliamentary Tory Party.

    Probably even more formidable than the stop Osborne movement.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 564
    Hundreds of thousands of people if not millons hold offshore based ETFS in their ISAs, mainly based in Luxembourg or Dublin. Come the rule of the Corbynistas there will be no room in the jails and Khmer Rouge style workcamps will be needed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    gettingbetter said:

    Hundreds of thousands of people if not millons hold offshore based ETFS in their ISAs, mainly based in Luxembourg or Dublin. Come the rule of the Corbynistas there will be no room in the jails and Khmer Rouge style workcamps will be needed.

    Better stock up on the bog role if the glorious socialist paradise of Venezuela is anything to go by. At least we will all get Fridays off though.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    There doesn't need to be a stop Boris movement. Remain are not impressed with him for obvious reasons. Leave were briefly delighted until they saw the limp performance he gave joining the campaign and began to suspect that he still had the fence post up his butt and was watching how the referendum played out, and was preparing for a bit of aftertiming by not really saying a lot about anything, and even then in the pages of the Kippergraph where there was no danger of a Remainer reading it anyway.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    He's an appalling metro snob.
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    So if both Boris and Gove are collapsing on the betting markets today but no one is rising, then who is it that has gotten a boost ?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Got a feeling the next Tory leader will be NOTA...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    There's a definite stop Boris movement in the Parliamentary Tory Party.

    Probably even more formidable than the stop Osborne movement.

    No problem for the Tories to choose someone who is not popular for their next leader, from a Labour perspective at least.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    @FrancisUrquhart - It's ironic that the press were telling us that if they were regulated independently then we might not get to hear about scandals involving politicians.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Oh yes, Matthew Parris, whose opinions and strongly worded articles move mountains all around the country for decades.
    Unarguably the most powerful person in Britain, millions of people hang from his every word.
    (should I continue?)
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    Indigo said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
    I think Parris had the level of the people of Clacton - they did elect Carswell after all. (And I suspect these days Nigel feels the same.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    tlg86 said:

    @FrancisUrquhart - It's ironic that the press were telling us that if they were regulated independently then we might not get to hear about scandals involving politicians.

    You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,942
    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I met him when at university, and found him intelligent and charming.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,790
    Leicester win the league today.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    SouthamObserver said:

    Leicester win the league today.

    Need a better second half than the first.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    rcs1000 said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I met him when at university, and found him intelligent and charming.

    I was intelligent and charming once (*cough*) before I got grumpy, old and cynical. Parris got elitist, smarmy and sneering instead, age comes for us all ;)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    tlg86 said:

    @FrancisUrquhart - It's ironic that the press were telling us that if they were regulated independently then we might not get to hear about scandals involving politicians.

    You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment...
    Aha, so continuing this game of charades, this new bit of revelation points to the newspaper scandal involving the Leveson Inquiry.

    And it's simple, there are not many affairs that involve most of the press besides the Phone Hacking scandal and it's aftermath which was the Leveson Inquiry, since it's not the Hacking one then it's the Leveson one.

    Now what would the newspapers do that was naughty and involved the Inquiry and it's recommendations, probably to extract some leniency perhaps ?

    Sometimes playing charades makes me think what Jeremy Brett would think.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    I've always liked Parris, even though our only contact was a half-page article gently making fun of me. He's fluent, readable and thoughtful, though somehow he slightly resembles the old definition of a Tory peer "a man who always weighs up the issues carefully before deciding to vote Conservative."

    Anyway, he'd naturally concede that he's not always right. Who is? But I've not seen anyone enthuse about Boris in the last few weeks. as a one-off semi-entertainer semi-Mayor he's fine. As a team member, not so much. Arguably, if we'd not had the personalised instution of directly-elected Mayors, neither he nor Ken wpojuld ever have risen to fame.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    tlg86 said:

    @FrancisUrquhart - It's ironic that the press were telling us that if they were regulated independently then we might not get to hear about scandals involving politicians.

    You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment...
    Awww, you've got me intrigued now.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    One of my most anti-Cameron Facebook friends has just posted a piece bemoaning the media for 'protecting' Cameron over his tax affairs. Since he's the sort of person who probably wouldn't want to be seen dead reading any right wing newspapers perhaps it's understandable. He's an intelligent guy and the sort of person if you met him you'd think he was pretty clued up.

    The left really has got to stop talking to itself.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I said Boris is crap.

    BWNBPM

    That's what Jonathan Powell told Boris about Gordon Brown.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,863
    NickPalmer said:


    Anyway, he'd naturally concede that he's not always right. Who is?

    No one, that's why extreme partisans are nutjobs, but we still get plenty of them.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,001
    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    As all true snobs do.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    hunchman said:

    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............

    Hasn't hurt Osborne. Slapping taxes on pasties and grannies did far more damage.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FrankBooth said:

    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    As all true snobs do.
    Am not denying he's a snob (although we I met him he was charming and amusing company). He makes a big thing about renting from the Cavendish family which leaves me cold.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    edited April 2016
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Indigo said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
    I think Parris had the level of the people of Clacton - they did elect Carswell after all. (And I suspect these days Nigel feels the same.)
    He doesn't write for the chavs of Clacton. A friend who is an art critic for the Times thinks he's wonderful and she works with him. I suggested his flights into bitchiness must grate occasionally and she said that was just his sense of humour. I find him rather like David Aaronovich. If you agree with him he can be perceptive and incisive. If you don't he can seem almost paranoid
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    FrankBooth said:

    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    As all true snobs do.
    Made me chuckle seeing Lily Allen at that protest yesterday, with her £20 million fortune, multiple houses and somebody who employs tax efficiency specialists...oh for a bit of a laugh when drunk once bought a beach...you know how ones does...most of us plebs just buy shit off the shopping channel after too many vinos. Not seen that QVC special where you can buy your own Caribbean beach.

    Booo boooo down with the rich..booo...oh wait no not me, not down with me...cos I'm not rich in that way.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-36009544

    'Hitler was greatest man in history"
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    chestnut said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-36009544

    'Hitler was greatest man in history"

    Taken out of context? ;-)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,999
    FrankBooth said:

    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    As all true snobs do.
    To be fair, he's stayed close to the constituency he represented.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,266
    Parris is simply a grotesque. A joke that only he doesn't get.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    JosiasJessop said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    tlg86 said:

    @FrancisUrquhart - It's ironic that the press were telling us that if they were regulated independently then we might not get to hear about scandals involving politicians.

    You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment...
    Awww, you've got me intrigued now.
    Well if it's the Leveson Inquiry then the most obvious naughty thing the newspapers did just looking at Wikipedia involved this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leveson_Inquiry

    "Maria Miller expenses row.

    On 12 December 2012, it was reported that during a telephone call to The Daily Telegraph Prime Minister David Cameron's spokesman, Craig Oliver, had warned the newspaper against running a critical story on MP's expenses claimed by Culture Secretary Maria Miller because of her role in enacting proposals in the Leveson report. Downing Street denied that any threats were made.[39][40][41] The Telegraph had reported that Miller had claimed £90,000 of expenses between 2005 and 2009 for a house in which her parents were living. Miller herself claimed they were dependents.[42] The Parliamentary Commission for Standards subsequently launched an investigation into Miller's expenses.[43] Writing in The Guardian on 15 December, the journalist Tanya Gold argued the episode demonstrated the need for a free press.[44] "

    Now Miller whose role was to implement the recommendations of the Inquiry, as Culture Secretary, was forced to resign after the newspapers revealed her expenses.
    I wonder if the recommendations were ever implemented after what happened to Miller.

    If you apply Third World standards it not impossible to imagine what the newspapers could have done.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Sunderland 0 Leicester 1
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    VARRRRDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Leicester have fluked their customary goal
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    For today only I'm a big Leicester supporter.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2016
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Parris is simply a grotesque. A joke that only he doesn't get.

    When I read Parris I am reminded of this line in Dangerous Liaisons
    Monsieur le Vicomte de Valmont, my child...
    ...whom you very probably don't remember...
    ...except that he is conspicuously charming...
    ...never opens his mouth without first calculating what damage he can do.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, Boris Johnson has not dealt well with the scrutiny that contenders at the highest level face. He has looked incoherent and ill prepared. If he is to get the top job he needs to up his game. He certainly isn't going to get any help from the incumbent.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Charles said:

    FrankBooth said:

    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    As all true snobs do.
    Am not denying he's a snob (although we I met him he was charming and amusing company). He makes a big thing about renting from the Cavendish family which leaves me cold.
    What a pathetic social climber.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,253
    AlastairMeeks said:

    On topic, Boris Johnson has not dealt well with the scrutiny that contenders at the highest level face. He has looked incoherent and ill prepared. If he is to get the top job he needs to up his game. He certainly isn't going to get any help from the incumbent.

    He also routinely blusters and delegates his way through questions to the Mayors - and if he's had a barnstormer in the HoC, I've neither seen nor heard of it
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    hunchman said:

    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............

    So that was the angle that the newspapers used, and suddenly this whole newspaper scandal becomes crystal clear.

    The power of the investigative press is big, it can be used for good or it can be used for evil.
    Using Third World standards, this newspaper scandal is not surprising.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:

    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............

    So that was the angle that the newspapers used, and suddenly this whole newspaper scandal becomes crystal clear.

    The power of the investigative press is big, it can be used for good or it can be used for evil.
    Using Third World standards, this newspaper scandal is not surprising.
    The cover up is so often far worse than the actual thing being covered up.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,756
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Indigo said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
    I think Parris had the level of the people of Clacton - they did elect Carswell after all. (And I suspect these days Nigel feels the same.)
    I think Parris thinks that the inhabitants of Clacton are the most ghastly oiks who had to pay for their own furniture, and who shop at Marks & Spencer.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:

    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............

    So that was the angle that the newspapers used, and suddenly this whole newspaper scandal becomes crystal clear.

    The power of the investigative press is big, it can be used for good or it can be used for evil.
    Using Third World standards, this newspaper scandal is not surprising.
    The cover up is so often far worse than the actual thing being covered up.
    Imagine if the Washington Post had used the Watergate scandal to blackmail Nixon instead of exposing him ?
    But Deep Throat was looking initially to extract concessions regarding the succession in the FBI.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    5 minutes extra time at Sunderland...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Not a Conservative, but I wouldn't back Boris to be PM.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sunderland 0 Leicester 1

    0 - 2
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I do not see Boris as being party leader, never had. One can only assume that his support has come from the Leavers within the party and as his performance on EURef to date has proved somewhat suboptimal, they are slowly going off him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    The main thing Boris has going for him is that his flustered, confused, incoherent mish-mash of responses to the EU entirely chimes with that of many Brits.....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,150
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Sunderland 0 Leicester 1

    0 - 2
    0 - 2 FT
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    MarqueeMark said:

    5 minutes extra time at Sunderland...

    Just time for Vardy to complete his brace :p
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2016
    COME ON LEICESTER 2-0

    Surely every football supporter (and a large proportion of the indifferent) in the country, apart from Spurs, Arsenal and City fans are willing the Foxes to take the title. Just f*cking marvellous.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    The Champions League will be interesting next year. I'd be surprised if our champions get past Calais
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    Roger said:

    Leicester have fluked their customary goal

    All big clubs win when they aren't playing particularly well.......
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,249
    When did Leicester last concede a goal? It seems to have been ages ago.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Anorak, biggest underdogs since Brawn GP.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Roger said:

    The Champions League will be interesting next year. I'd be surprised if our champions get past Calais

    Well if you believe some Remainers it won't matter anyway since England would be banned from UEFA due to Brexit.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, biggest underdogs since Brawn GP.

    Biggest underdog victory since David and Goliath (hat tip to the late great Sid Waddell).
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    Roger said:

    The Champions League will be interesting next year. I'd be surprised if our champions get past Calais

    Spoken like a true snob. Looking down on the little people. The plain truth is that the Foxes are the best team in the land at the minute, the league table doesn't lie.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    DavidL said:

    When did Leicester last concede a goal? It seems to have been ages ago.

    About 8 hours....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,270
    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    He's an appalling metro snob.

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    Who's lived in Derbyshire for 20 years...
    Nottinghamshire wouldn't have him.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Anorak, is that a reference to Brawn or Leicester?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    edited April 2016
    DavidL said:

    When did Leicester last concede a goal? It seems to have been ages ago.

    I was listening to the barnstormer between West Ham and Arsenal on the radio the other day. R5L went through the goals Arsenal had scored against other top sides. 3, 2, 2, 3 etc... Quite a haul !
    They won none of them..
    Emphasises the importance of defence.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, biggest underdogs since Brawn GP.

    Were they underdogs? Honda tanked so badly in 2008 that Ross Brawn quickly diverted resources to the 2009 car and the new rules. His team very quickly worked out that KERS was a waste of time and built a very quick and reliable car. It was only an underdog story in the sense that Honda pulled the plug on the team and Brawn had to get together the backing to keep the team going.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    SimonStClare said:

    I do not see Boris as being party leader, never had. One can only assume that his support has come from the Leavers within the party and as his performance on EURef to date has proved somewhat suboptimal, they are slowly going off him.

    I think that is conflating two things. A section of the party, well before the referendum was making itself felt, knew that Dave was likely to be going, and Boris was at that time felt to be a n obvious choice, if one either didn't like Osborne, or didn't fancy his chances. If Boris had plumped for Remain, the remainers would probably still see him in that light because Dave would still be carrying the remain campaign. As it happened he plumped for leave, calculating, we assume, that it would give him a clearer run at the leadership. What he seems to have overlooked it there is no cover in Leave, he is supposed to be the big beast on the team, and has fallen short, worse than that he has been conspicuously been upstaged by the bookish and very marmite Mr Gove. I think Boris going for Leave might have been a fatal mistake in his climb up the greasy pole.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. 86, barely making the grid, laying off a lot of staff and having almost no budget or means to develop during the season made Brawn an underdog.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2016
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, is that a reference to Brawn or Leicester?

    Leicester. Brawn had a secret weapon (a cunning interpretation of the rules) which has happened in other years. Brabham in '78 tried it with their floor fan (which was banned, but otherwise they'd have walked it).

    Leicester have no secret weapon. It's a glorious mystery how they've got to where they are; but it ain't no fluke run, that's for sure. Ferguson at Aberdeen doesn't come within a country mile of this.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,942
    edited April 2016
    hunchman said:

    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/

    It's also completely inaccurate. If you hang out on hacktivist forums, the perpetrators are pretty well known. (That are anonymous, obviously, but have long histories.)

    Edit to add: they got in because the site was running an old version of WordPress :-)
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Speedy said:

    hunchman said:

    @FrancisUrquhart I never understood why Cameron brought someone into the cabinet whose half-brother was involved in a whole heap of trouble..............

    So that was the angle that the newspapers used, and suddenly this whole newspaper scandal becomes crystal clear.

    The power of the investigative press is big, it can be used for good or it can be used for evil.
    Using Third World standards, this newspaper scandal is not surprising.
    The cover up is so often far worse than the actual thing being covered up.
    If the scandal broke pretty much immediately, do you think it would add enough fuel to the fire to bring Cameron down?

    Remember what I said yesterday - the establishment can't afford for 'that address' scandal to get out, so they need another story to do so whilst preserving a scandal that dwarfs the one I'm referring to above.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. Anorak, a few other teams also had the double diffuser early on, though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/

    It's also completely inaccurate. If you hang out on hacktivist forums, the perpetrators are pretty well known. (That are anonymous, obviously, but have long histories.)

    Edit to add: they got in because the site was running an old version of WordPress :-)
    If I was one of these high worth individuals exposed, and found it is because a site admin can't click "update" on WP console, I would be a more than a tad pissed...

    That would also be consistent with the fact that the "Hackers" were getting new info even after the initial leak (upto the end of 2015 I believe) i.e. it wasn't a disgruntled ex-employee who dumped what they could on to USB drives and legged it.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, a few other teams also had the double diffuser early on, though.

    Fair point. It was absolutely an underdog victory but whereas Brawn were a dachshund to the Big Team alsations, Leicester were a chihuahua under a steam-roller compared to the Big Team Cerburuses.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,942
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/

    It's also completely inaccurate. If you hang out on hacktivist forums, the perpetrators are pretty well known. (That are anonymous, obviously, but have long histories.)

    Edit to add: they got in because the site was running an old version of WordPress :-)
    If I was one of these high worth individuals exposed, and found it is because a site admin can't click "update" on WP console, I would be a more than a tad pissed...

    That would also be consistent with the fact that the "Hackers" were getting new info even after the initial leak (upto the end of 2015 I believe).
    They ran an unpatched copy of WordPress on a server inside the firewall.

    Appalling level of security.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    When did Leicester last concede a goal? It seems to have been ages ago.

    I was listening to the barnstormer between West Ham and Arsenal on the radio the other day. R5L went through the goals Arsenal had scored against other top sides. 3, 2, 2, 3 etc... Quite a haul !
    They won none of them..
    Emphasises the importance of defence.
    WBA scored 2 against us on 1 March. Nothing since.

    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    edited April 2016
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, a few other teams also had the double diffuser early on, though.

    I accept that Brawn could have gone under before it made the grid, but once they did they were always favourites. Perhaps RedBull should have done better, but it wasn't like Brawn were genuinely a new team and not just a rename. The equivalent to Leicester's achievement in F1 would be Haas winning the championship next season.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Sean_F said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Indigo said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
    I think Parris had the level of the people of Clacton - they did elect Carswell after all. (And I suspect these days Nigel feels the same.)
    I think Parris thinks that the inhabitants of Clacton are the most ghastly oiks who had to pay for their own furniture, and who shop at Marks & Spencer.
    Actually from memory his argument was more nuanced than that. He was saying that as we become more tolerant as a society and more people have a university education residents like those in Clacton will get left behind. So the Tories should not pander to their prejudices but leave them to Ukip and wait for evolution to do its job
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited April 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/

    It's also completely inaccurate. If you hang out on hacktivist forums, the perpetrators are pretty well known. (That are anonymous, obviously, but have long histories.)

    Edit to add: they got in because the site was running an old version of WordPress :-)
    If I was one of these high worth individuals exposed, and found it is because a site admin can't click "update" on WP console, I would be a more than a tad pissed...

    That would also be consistent with the fact that the "Hackers" were getting new info even after the initial leak (upto the end of 2015 I believe).
    They ran an unpatched copy of WordPress on a server inside the firewall.

    Appalling level of security.
    Head -> Desk -> Thud Thud Thud....
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    Sturgeon leads the virtue signallers on the march.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,942
    Roger said:



    Sean_F said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Indigo said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Say what you like about Matthew Parris, but he's the voice of a certain strand of moderate Toryism. The man has a following. His philippic against Johnson might prove deadly. I'm convinced to this day that it was a withering article that Parris wrote in 2003 that did for IDS.

    I hope not, unless the voice of moderate toryism is supercilious sneering at the people of Clacton, and suggesting that they party should abandon the third of the electorate that wasn't receptive to right-on modern nostrums and move forward into the new progressive future. Yuck.
    I think Parris had the level of the people of Clacton - they did elect Carswell after all. (And I suspect these days Nigel feels the same.)
    I think Parris thinks that the inhabitants of Clacton are the most ghastly oiks who had to pay for their own furniture, and who shop at Marks & Spencer.
    Actually from memory his argument was more nuanced than that. He was saying that as we become more tolerant as a society and more people have a university education residents like those in Clacton will get left behind. So the Tories should not pander to their prejudices but leave them to Ukip and wait for evolution to do its job
    That doesn't sound very nuanced to me.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Big Sam hanging Rodwell out to dry :D
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    edited April 2016
    Mr. 86, still think that's a bit harsh. It was only in Brazil (not last race, maybe penultimate) that Button actually clinched the title with an excellent drive.

    And let us not forget the heroic 70/1 tip that one young morris dancer offered (and, stupidly, did not even bet on. My lesson has since been learnt).

    Edited extra bit: Haas won't win the Constructor's. Gutierrez is steady. Grosjean might be good enough, though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,942
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Interesting article on the source of the Mossack Fonseca story:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/panama-papers-who-instigated-the-leak-usa-or-russia/

    It's also completely inaccurate. If you hang out on hacktivist forums, the perpetrators are pretty well known. (That are anonymous, obviously, but have long histories.)

    Edit to add: they got in because the site was running an old version of WordPress :-)
    If I was one of these high worth individuals exposed, and found it is because a site admin can't click "update" on WP console, I would be a more than a tad pissed...

    That would also be consistent with the fact that the "Hackers" were getting new info even after the initial leak (upto the end of 2015 I believe).
    They ran an unpatched copy of WordPress on a server inside the firewall.

    Appalling level of security.
    Head -> Desk -> Thud Thud Thud....
    Forwarding port 80 is not a security policy
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    When did Leicester last concede a goal? It seems to have been ages ago.

    I was listening to the barnstormer between West Ham and Arsenal on the radio the other day. R5L went through the goals Arsenal had scored against other top sides. 3, 2, 2, 3 etc... Quite a haul !
    They won none of them..
    Emphasises the importance of defence.
    WBA scored 2 against us on 1 March. Nothing since.

    ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!

    YES I AM!! Mark Steel just tweeted: "It's like a cat winning the Grand National" :)

    It's an utter, utter delight. You must be in dreamland.

    [I half-arsedly follow Carlisle, for what it's worth. Jimmy Glass, eh.]
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Come on Roger. I'm a City blue, thru fik and fin- but the Leicester story is fantastic. This afternoon will be the first time I want Utd to win for a very, very long time. I want Leicester to steamroller the league- not win by a a nose.

    Next year things normal service will return- but this year, the Leicester story is just so wonderfully romantic.
    Roger said:

    Leicester have fluked their customary goal

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,312
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, still think that's a bit harsh. It was only in Brazil (not last race, maybe penultimate) that Button actually clinched the title with an excellent drive.

    And let us not forget the heroic 70/1 tip that one young morris dancer offered (and, stupidly, did not even bet on. My lesson has since been learnt).

    Apparently Ron Dennis had a lot of money on Brawn winning.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,080
    Mr. 86, I should stress, I am not Ron Dennis nor did I receive a tip from him :p

    Ah, the good old days when testing times actually revealed performance.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    TwistedFireStopper said:

    Roger said:

    The Champions League will be interesting next year. I'd be surprised if our champions get past Calais

    Spoken like a true snob. Looking down on the little people. The plain truth is that the Foxes are the best team in the land at the minute, the league table doesn't lie.
    They used to say the last time Man City got into Europe the fans pulled the mainsail down and threw the cannon overboard
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,765
    Ridiculous to say that Matthew Parris is any kind of careerist or snob. He was pouring vitriol over Blair when the rest of the right-wing media were swallowing his vacuous soundbites and grovelling to Campbell. Parris was a voice in the wilderness back then, flying the flag for Toryism when everyone else couldn't wait to abandon it. Had he wanted to ingratiate himself with the establishment or advance himself he would have joined that motley chorus.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Nothing comes within a country mile of Leicester. There is no sporting story of any type of comparison. It is wonderfully intoxicating- and I say that as confirmed Man City fan. Of course the title will return back to Manchester next year under Pep. But for this year we can loan it out to those Midland Foxes. And maybe this year the mighty Blues can win the Champions League to add another inviting twist to an exhilarating season.
    Anorak said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Anorak, is that a reference to Brawn or Leicester?

    Leicester. Brawn had a secret weapon (a cunning interpretation of the rules) which has happened in other years. Brabham in '78 tried it with their floor fan (which was banned, but otherwise they'd have walked it).

    Leicester have no secret weapon. It's a glorious mystery how they've got to where they are; but it ain't no fluke run, that's for sure. Ferguson at Aberdeen doesn't come within a country mile of this.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    In terms of long odds against shots, Leicester winning the Prem is the daddy of them all.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,253
    A Scottish newspaper has published the injuction couple's names:

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/10/scottish-newspaper-reveals-identity-superinjunction-couple
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    New York - Fox

    Trump 54 .. Kasich 22 .. Cruz 15
    Clinton 53 .. Sanders 37

    Clinton 53 .. Trump 37
    Sanders 54 .. Trump 35

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/10/fox-news-poll-trump-clinton-rule-empire-state.html

    Pennsylvania - Fox

    Trump 48 .. Cruz 22 .. Kasich .. 20
    Clinton 49 .. Sanders 38

    Clinton 44 .. Trump 44

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/10/fox-news-poll-trump-holds-huge-lead-in-pennsylvania-clinton-up-over-sanders.html
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    tyson said:

    Come on Roger. I'm a City blue, thru fik and fin- but the Leicester story is fantastic. This afternoon will be the first time I want Utd to win for a very, very long time. I want Leicester to steamroller the league- not win by a a nose.

    Next year things normal service will return- but this year, the Leicester story is just so wonderfully romantic.

    Roger said:

    Leicester have fluked their customary goal

    I made my first trip to the Etihad Stadium yesterday. Very little atmosphere in the ground which is a pity because the owners have conspicuously thrown loads of money at the place
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,120
    Who would have thought six months ago I would rush home from my boozy, Italian Sunday lunch to excitedly check the result of Sunderland vs Leicester and then give a full on IDS double, knuckle fist pump when I found it out. These are strange times indeed.
    Pulpstar said:

    In terms of long odds against shots, Leicester winning the Prem is the daddy of them all.

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