Khan ten points clear, slightly ahead on fighting terrorism, and Tories saying it's a relief it's not worse.
One problem Labour will on the morning after the LEs is that the start of the night is going to look very very grim, so alot of the papers will have gone to print with tales of disaster before the (better I'm guessing) London results are in.
Ditto Scottish and Welsh results.
In 2012, the London Mayoral result was announced at 23.55 on the Friday,
Well we import too much, so British consumers borrow money and spend it on imported tat.
Being out of the EU would allow us to trade more freely with non-EU countries to act as a better counter-weight to our huge EU trade deficit.
Massive non-sequitur. Why should leaving the EU reduce the amount of imported tat we buy? And why would being able to 'trade more freely' - which is a two-way process - magically offset our EU trade deficit? We might end up importing more steel from China, for example.
Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
Why not a wide ranging investigation into the tax affairs of all MPs, including the filthy rich Labour ones?
Because we know that like the whole Ashcroft non-dom thing, you start to turn over rocks and you find it isn't restricted to one party or another.
After this and the past few weeks, we surely must expect a Labour lead in the polls shortly?
This is the first fliker of light Labour have shown since the election. Perhaps the moment Corbyn was born for. Which other leader could we be confident that a release of his family tax affairs would show nothing but probity? I look forward to Cameron and his wife releasing their tax returns.
I am sure Jahadi Jez's personal tax arrangements are as boring as hell. MP salary and that is it. I mean who the hell would employ him for a second job or anything interesting anyway. But, the problem is then you start to open up the can of worms about the rest of the shadow cabinet, donors, etc.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t (with quite a few ending up stinking after having actually done nothing wrong).
Well we import too much, so British consumers borrow money and spend it on imported tat.
Being out of the EU would allow us to trade more freely with non-EU countries to act as a better counter-weight to our huge EU trade deficit.
Massive non-sequitur. Why should leaving the EU reduce the amount of imported tat we buy? And why would being able to 'trade more freely' - which is a two-way process - magically offset our EU trade deficit? We might end up importing more steel from China, for example.
Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
Why not a wide ranging investigation into the tax affairs of all MPs, including the filthy rich Labour ones?
Because we know that like the whole Ashcroft non-dom thing, you start to turn over rocks and you find it isn't restricted to one party or another.
After this and the past few weeks, we surely must expect a Labour lead in the polls shortly?
This is the first fliker of light Labour have shown since the election. Perhaps the moment Corbyn was born for. Which other leader could we be confident that a release of his family tax affairs would show nothing but probity? I look forward to Cameron and his wife releasing their tax returns.
Why Cameron's wife?
If she's fair game, then so are those of every other MP, regardless of their political affiliation. Is that what you want?
And besides, what can be gained from releasing a Tax Return? X earned Y, and paid Z tax.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
Much as I should be getting the pom-poms out for this, I can't help but feel Jezza is slightly contradicting his "leave family members alone" stance, by holding Dave accountable for what his dad did...
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 29m29 minutes ago Why is Corbyn pussy footing around. Let's just invade Panama and be done with it...
Panama isn't a UK tax haven!
Unless things have changed Panama is an interesting one. I believe they only tax money earned in Panama.
I think it's not uncommon in less well off countries that try and encourage people to bring sources of money into the country (for example pensions) and spend it locally.
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
This could have unexpected consequences. If the Falklands or Gibraltar became a part of the UK, some people would not be happy.
Personally, I think all 14 Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies should be represented at Westminster, without prejudice to their current self-government/local government.
Why not a wide ranging investigation into the tax affairs of all MPs, including the filthy rich Labour ones?
Because we know that like the whole Ashcroft non-dom thing, you start to turn over rocks and you find it isn't restricted to one party or another.
After this and the past few weeks, we surely must expect a Labour lead in the polls shortly?
This is the first fliker of light Labour have shown since the election. Perhaps the moment Corbyn was born for. Which other leader could we be confident that a release of his family tax affairs would show nothing but probity? I look forward to Cameron and his wife releasing their tax returns.
Why Cameron's wife?
If she's fair game, then so are those of every other MP, regardless of their political affiliation. Is that what you want?
And besides, what can be gained from releasing a Tax Return? X earned Y, and paid Z tax.
I don't think Cameron's likely to have done anything wrong but just to establish that family money hasn't been shifted from husband to wife for PR purposes I think he's obliged to match Corbyn's offer
The tax affairs of the Prime Minister's father ten years ago are irrelevant and should not feature in discussions of the Panama Papers23% It is highly significant as the Prime Minister may have benefited from this arrangement and it taints his future policy63% Neither6% Not sure 8% Unweighted live results
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
This could have unexpected consequences. If the Falklands or Gibraltar became a part of the UK, some people would not be happy.
Personally, I think all 14 Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies should be represented at Westminster, without prejudice to their current self-government/local government.
In the nicest possible terms.....Foxtrot Oscar......
Well we import too much, so British consumers borrow money and spend it on imported tat.
Being out of the EU would allow us to trade more freely with non-EU countries to act as a better counter-weight to our huge EU trade deficit.
Massive non-sequitur. Why should leaving the EU reduce the amount of imported tat we buy? And why would being able to 'trade more freely' - which is a two-way process - magically offset our EU trade deficit? We might end up importing more steel from China, for example.
Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
Well if we leave the EU and sterling drops 20% as some have predicted, local steel will look a lot more attractive to UK buyers, and the price of imported tat will go up in the shops making local tat look more attractive.
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 29m29 minutes ago Why is Corbyn pussy footing around. Let's just invade Panama and be done with it...
Panama isn't a UK tax haven!
Unless things have changed Panama is an interesting one. I believe they only tax money earned in Panama.
I think it's not uncommon in less well off countries that try and encourage people to bring sources of money into the country (for example pensions) and spend it locally.
Having been to Panama a fair bit, it has boomed in the past 10 years. Part of that is legit American ex-pat money who bring their pensions and also their private health insurance is valid and then there is the dodgy money, Colombian drug lords and alike. There is a reason you see the skyscrapers of all your household big banks like HSBC etc, because it is the place where people from Latin America come to sort their financial affairs out as they know Panama is under the unofficial protection of the US and also that in the past you could get numbered bank accounts, which then changed to ones where you can have shell company ones with a lawyer named.
Why not a wide ranging investigation into the tax affairs of all MPs, including the filthy rich Labour ones?
Because we know that like the whole Ashcroft non-dom thing, you start to turn over rocks and you find it isn't restricted to one party or another.
After this and the past few weeks, we surely must expect a Labour lead in the polls shortly?
This is the first fliker of light Labour have shown since the election. Perhaps the moment Corbyn was born for. Which other leader could we be confident that a release of his family tax affairs would show nothing but probity? I look forward to Cameron and his wife releasing their tax returns.
Why Cameron's wife?
If she's fair game, then so are those of every other MP, regardless of their political affiliation. Is that what you want?
And besides, what can be gained from releasing a Tax Return? X earned Y, and paid Z tax.
I don't think Cameron's likely to have done anything wrong but just to establish that family money hasn't been shifted from husband to wife for PR purposes I think he's obliged to match Corbyn's offer
Presumably that would be legal. And would also mean that any tax had been accounted for.
Out of interest, and in light of your views on transparency, is there anywhere that we can look at your tax return?
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
This could have unexpected consequences. If the Falklands or Gibraltar became a part of the UK, some people would not be happy.
Personally, I think all 14 Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies should be represented at Westminster, without prejudice to their current self-government/local government.
In the nicest possible terms.....Foxtrot Oscar......
Um, I'll take that as a compliment - nice new avatar, BTW
Well if we leave the EU and sterling drops 20% as some have predicted, local steel will look a lot more attractive to UK buyers, and the price of imported tat will go up in the shops making local tat look more attractive.
True, but the trouble is that a collapse in consumer and business confidence will have been the cause of the drop in sterling, which is not exactly good news to most.
Fine if your income stream is in US dollars, of course.
But comparing 2016 with 2012 is silly: everyone knows governments ALWAYS do worse in the second year of the electoral cycle than in the first.
The relevant measure is going to be the national shares of the vote, compared to 2011 (the comparative first year of the last electoral cycle). Labour came 1% behind the Tories that year. If Corbyn can match or possibly even exceed that (which I would've thought impossible a few weeks ago, but now seems a bit more of a prospect) then he'll have had a reasonable night.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
Is that the love child of Tim Farron and Michael Fallon ?
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t.
IMO, something like that is one of the only things that could revive the Lib Dems. They still have a reputation (justified or not) as being more squeaky-clean when it comes to things like that than the Big 2, and Tim Fallon could do the "moral outrage" thing quite well.
Is that the love child of Tim Farron and Michael Fallon ?
EU net trade in services 2015: +£20bn non-EU net trade in services 2015: +£67bn
Total exports of goods and services 2015
EU: £223bn (including re-exports via Rotterdam) non-EU: £288bn
Export growth, goods and services 2014-2015
EU: -3% (-£7.1bn) non-EU: +1.8% (+£5bn)
Goods
EU: -8% (-£12.7bn) non-EU: +2.3% (+£3.5bn)
Services
EU: +5.7% (+£4.8bn) non-EU: +1.2 (+£1.5bn)
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
If Cameron was genuinely surprised that people in the Party would be willing to oppose him despite our winning in 2015, that just goes to show the danger of believing your own propaganda. Just because you believe other people ought to be grateful to you, it doesn’t mean they will believe that themselves.
Well we import too much, so British consumers borrow money and spend it on imported tat.
Being out of the EU would allow us to trade more freely with non-EU countries to act as a better counter-weight to our huge EU trade deficit.
Massive non-sequitur. Why should leaving the EU reduce the amount of imported tat we buy? And why would being able to 'trade more freely' - which is a two-way process - magically offset our EU trade deficit? We might end up importing more steel from China, for example.
Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
It probably would make domestic companies slightly more competitive, we've been through this though and last time you tried to pretend that this country wouldn't be able to regulate small appliances standards so I don't think it will be a very productive conversation.
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
This could have unexpected consequences. If the Falklands or Gibraltar became a part of the UK, some people would not be happy.
Personally, I think all 14 Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies should be represented at Westminster, without prejudice to their current self-government/local government.
Well if Scotland can have representation with devolution why shouldn't they?
It probably would make domestic companies slightly more competitive, we've been through this though and last time you tried to pretend that this country wouldn't be able to regulate small appliances standards so I don't think it will be a very productive conversation.
No I didn't. I said we wouldn't in practice bother.
I've no idea what the relevance of that to this particular discussion is, though.
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Which single market in services is this of which you speak ?
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Which single market in services is this of which you speak ?
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
This could have unexpected consequences. If the Falklands or Gibraltar became a part of the UK, some people would not be happy.
Personally, I think all 14 Overseas Territories and three Crown Dependencies should be represented at Westminster, without prejudice to their current self-government/local government.
Well if Scotland can have representation with devolution why shouldn't they?
Though I just realised there aren't too many inhabitants in Antarctica - make that 13 OTs
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
Blimey, I have no recollection of that thread from just last month, - must be an age thing!
Off topic - According to Jeremy Corbyn the “UK tax havens 'should face direct rule'”
Seems a tad over the top considering the UK does not have the authority to do so as far as I’m aware. I wonder if Jeremy is considering sending in ground troops to convince them?
There was a major Local Government reorganisation in 1974 which also increased the Local Election to 4 years from 3 years. Prior to that councillors were elected for 3 years with two sets of elections in County Council election years - the latter being held in April. Nevertheless the electoral cycle was pretty obvious with Labour in 1960/61 surrendering some of the gains made in 1957/58 - just as this year some of the gains made in 2012 are likely to be reversed. It is a pattern seen time and time again since World War 2.
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
It is not incoherent it is democracy. If you're in a shop that is on fire you may want to leave and go home, I may want to leave and go to another shop but remaining where you are is the incoherent choice. There is no need for unanimity on the leave side, democracy can sort that out.
Diane Abbott tweets to say Cameron is 'immoral' - then deletes it
Not that she has anything to hide in terms of her hypocrisy.. Utterly loathsome individual.
I noted they sent her out onto CH4 last night to discuss this and she was useless. It should have been an easy free hit with friendly Jon Snow and she was just blustering nonsense. Even the Greek Marxist said more sensible things. It does show a big problem with the Corbyn project, there is no talent there, when it is Abbott, Red Ken and McMao leading the charge.
Spiegal English German intelligence agency's mistrust of EU partners -- and vice versa -- is hindering cooperation on anti-terror: https://t.co/p7avOMrsnC
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Which single market in services is this of which you speak ?
Financial services?
That about it isnt it, and not even all financial services. The Open Europe report a couple of year ago argued that there wasn't a single market in services worth the name.
There was a major Local Government reorganisation in 1974 which also increased the Local Election to 4 years from 3 years. Prior to that councillors were elected for 3 years with two sets of elections in County Council election years - the latter being held in April. Nevertheless the electoral cycle was pretty obvious with Labour in 1960/61 surrendering some of the gains made in 1957/58 - just as this year some of the gains made in 2012 are likely to be reversed. It is a pattern seen time and time again since World War 2.
Who am I going to trust on this matter?
Rallings and Thrasher, experts in their field
Or you, someone who always spins the best for Labour?
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
In order for us to trade with the EU we have to prostitute ourselves.
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
I think over time we would be able to extract specific concessions on freedom of movement within the EEA structure or with a bespoke deal. Anyone who expects anything to happen overnight is either kidding themselves or being disingenuous. Our status as a consumer nation is too important for the rest of them to ignore and if we are able to reduce our reliance on EU exports as a proportion of GDP from the current 12-13% to 7-8% then the government of the day will absolutely be able to leverage that into concessions.
A year ago, Boris Johnson urged all Tory MPs to publish their tax returns. He's done so himself. As has Zac. Bit awks for Dave.
Isabel Okeshott who worked for that famous resident of Belize, Michael Ashcroft. Ha Ha Ha.
It's hard to see what anyone is trying to prove here. If earnings are declared on a UK return, one assumes it will be taxed. So if Cameron received an additional £100K on top of his salary, it would be included in any calculation.
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
I think over time we would be able to extract specific concessions on freedom of movement within the EEA structure or with a bespoke deal. Anyone who expects anything to happen overnight is either kidding themselves or being disingenuous. Our status as a consumer nation is too important for the rest of them to ignore and if we are able to reduce our reliance on EU exports as a proportion of GDP from the current 12-13% to 7-8% then the government of the day will absolutely be able to leverage that into concessions.
"Overnight" absolubtely nothing would change . I think it'd take at least 2? years to fully "leave" !
Well we import too much, so British consumers borrow money and spend it on imported tat.
Being out of the EU would allow us to trade more freely with non-EU countries to act as a better counter-weight to our huge EU trade deficit.
Massive non-sequitur. Why should leaving the EU reduce the amount of imported tat we buy? And why would being able to 'trade more freely' - which is a two-way process - magically offset our EU trade deficit? We might end up importing more steel from China, for example.
Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
It probably would make domestic companies slightly more competitive, we've been through this though and last time you tried to pretend that this country wouldn't be able to regulate small appliances standards so I don't think it will be a very productive conversation.
Spiegal English German intelligence agency's mistrust of EU partners -- and vice versa -- is hindering cooperation on anti-terror: https://t.co/p7avOMrsnC
It wouldn't surprise me if some European intelligence agencies were as leaky as a sieve.
There was a major Local Government reorganisation in 1974 which also increased the Local Election to 4 years from 3 years. Prior to that councillors were elected for 3 years with two sets of elections in County Council election years - the latter being held in April. Nevertheless the electoral cycle was pretty obvious with Labour in 1960/61 surrendering some of the gains made in 1957/58 - just as this year some of the gains made in 2012 are likely to be reversed. It is a pattern seen time and time again since World War 2.
Who am I going to trust on this matter?
Rallings and Thrasher, experts in their field
Or you, someone who always spins the best for Labour?
Oh for heavens sake you are intelligent enough to check the facts for yourself. I am not a Labour member and have only vote Labour once at the last five General Elections It is almost certainly simply a case of Rallings & Thrasher having to come up with a very different model for the pre-1974 period - but the pattern is very clear!
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Which single market in services is this of which you speak ?
Financial services?
That about it isnt it, and not even all financial services. The Open Europe report a couple of year ago argued that there wasn't a single market in services worth the name.
Why not a wide ranging investigation into the tax affairs of all MPs, including the filthy rich Labour ones?
Because we know that like the whole Ashcroft non-dom thing, you start to turn over rocks and you find it isn't restricted to one party or another.
After this and the past few weeks, we surely must expect a Labour lead in the polls shortly?
This is the first fliker of light Labour have shown since the election. Perhaps the moment Corbyn was born for. Which other leader could we be confident that a release of his family tax affairs would show nothing but probity? I look forward to Cameron and his wife releasing their tax returns.
That's a very bold call indeed Roger.
I am sure, much though I personally dislike the man, that Corbyn's financial affairs are a model of probity. He has never seemed interested in money, and he has one job for which he is paid a simple (albeit substantial) basic salary. He does not claim significant expenses (famously, one ink cartridge in a year - makes you wonder why he wasn't doing more printing) and he does not seem to be building up for a retirement package over and above what will be a reasonable pension for his work as an MP.
His wife, on the other hand, runs a company that has already been criticised (admittedly by a very unreliable newspaper) for exploiting its workers - it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there were some interesting tax arrangements going on there.
His brother Piers is also the owner/part owner/manager of a firm called Metraweather, that appears to have its head office in NEw Zealand and whose operations are disguised through a variety of off-shore companies.
So while I am happy to agree with you that Corbyn is almost certainly clean, I'm not going to go bail for his family.
He does not claim significant expenses (famously, one ink cartridge in a year - makes you wonder why he wasn't doing more printing) and he does not seem to be building up for a retirement package over and above what will be a reasonable pension for his work as an MP.
Just for the record, Corbyn has himself debunked the "one ink cartridge in a quarter" (not a year, I think) story - he says that it's because he didn't get round to claiming normal expenses until the next quarter. I imagine his actual expenses are unremarkable, though - he's certainly not interested in piling up cash.
Spiegal English German intelligence agency's mistrust of EU partners -- and vice versa -- is hindering cooperation on anti-terror: https://t.co/p7avOMrsnC
It wouldn't surprise me if some European intelligence agencies were as leaky as a sieve.
Again, I'm happy to be in the EEA and over time leverage our humongous trade deficit into getting a few concessions on free movement while we continue to rebalance our economy away from EU trade. It would also be pretty awful for them to not include services, Richard. As you can see they increased their services exports by 7.4%!
You may be happy to retain free movement, but a very large proportion, perhaps a majority, of those voting to leave see 'control of our borders' as the most important reason for leaving.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
It is not incoherent it is democracy. If you're in a shop that is on fire you may want to leave and go home, I may want to leave and go to another shop but remaining where you are is the incoherent choice. There is no need for unanimity on the leave side, democracy can sort that out.
I'm not asking for unanimity, I'm asking for honesty in the trade-offs. At the moment, people I speak to are astonished to discover that we might well still retain freedom of movement if we leave the EU. (They are also astonished to hear that we'd still be subject to the European Court of Human Rights.)
Wow. I'd no idea it had decreased that much (although at the cost of heavy industry).
And yes, it does pose some questions about where next ...
In fact, that's even better than it looks as oil and gas are better than coal* (which would have been the cause of the overwhelming majority of those carbon emissions in 1900) in other ways as well. Less soot to cause smog and therefore severe respiratory and skin problems, less residue to be dumped somewhere, much more efficient in terms of output.
*Coal was burned to make gas, don't forget, until the discovery of North Sea gas turned us over to natural gas.
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
So any Brexit route involving signing up to the single market in goods but not fully in services would be, err, brave.
Which single market in services is this of which you speak ?
Financial services?
That about it isnt it, and not even all financial services. The Open Europe report a couple of year ago argued that there wasn't a single market in services worth the name.
He does not claim significant expenses (famously, one ink cartridge in a year - makes you wonder why he wasn't doing more printing) and he does not seem to be building up for a retirement package over and above what will be a reasonable pension for his work as an MP.
Just for the record, Corbyn has himself debunked the "one ink cartridge in a quarter" (not a year, I think) story - he says that it's because he didn't get round to claiming normal expenses until the next quarter. I imagine his actual expenses are unremarkable, though - he's certainly not interested in piling up cash.
Thank you, that would explain it.
It seemed an extremely strange story at the time. But there you are, with Corbyn anything is possible (and I could actually believe that he would buy such things out of his own pocket).
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Is there some particular export industry which is being held back by our EU membership?
If we actually saw all MPs financial arrangements, it would be like MP expenses all over again, everybody covered in s##t (with quite a few ending up stinking after having actually done nothing wrong).
If she's fair game, then so are those of every other MP, regardless of their political affiliation. Is that what you want?
And besides, what can be gained from releasing a Tax Return? X earned Y, and paid Z tax.
My tip for lowest PCC turnout is Durham - no locals, and Boss Hogg is a shoo-in. If you are working at a polling station, take a good book.
I have yet to decide the most appropriate way to spoil my PCC ballot.
Because that can be viewed as indicating a clear preference for one candidate
I've just been asked this by You Gov.
The tax affairs of the Prime Minister's father ten years ago are irrelevant and should not feature in discussions of the Panama Papers23%
It is highly significant as the Prime Minister may have benefited from this arrangement and it taints his future policy63%
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Not sure 8%
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' Labour have 4 years to improve the situation, but if that is the result, we're starting at a 13% lead for the Tories at the next election.'
I am not sure where you get that from - the Tories had a 1% lead in the popular vote in 2011 one year into the last Parliament.
Out of interest, and in light of your views on transparency, is there anywhere that we can look at your tax return?
Turnout was 15% last time for PCC election.
Fine if your income stream is in US dollars, of course.
The framed photo of himself is a highlight. Along with his trouser press.
EU net trade in services 2015: +£20bn
non-EU net trade in services 2015: +£67bn
Total exports of goods and services 2015
EU: £223bn (including re-exports via Rotterdam)
non-EU: £288bn
Export growth, goods and services 2014-2015
EU: -3% (-£7.1bn)
non-EU: +1.8% (+£5bn)
Goods
EU: -8% (-£12.7bn)
non-EU: +2.3% (+£3.5bn)
Services
EU: +5.7% (+£4.8bn)
non-EU: +1.2 (+£1.5bn)
The figures show the only area in which our exports are growing with the EU is services, but our 5.7% increase in exports is matched by a 7.4% increase in imports, essentially wiping out any gain.
David Cameron's father built up legal offshore funds in Panama and Geneva
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/apr/20/cameron-family-tax-havens
If Cameron was genuinely surprised that people in the Party would be willing to oppose him despite our winning in 2015, that just goes to show the danger of believing your own propaganda. Just because you believe other people ought to be grateful to you, it doesn’t mean they will believe that themselves.
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/04/andrew-lilico-cameron-seems-to-have-started-believing-his-own-propaganda.html
I've no idea what the relevance of that to this particular discussion is, though.
A year ago, Boris Johnson urged all Tory MPs to publish their tax returns. He's done so himself. As has Zac. Bit awks for Dave.
From the desk of the people that set the dogs of HMRC on the peasants
Prior to that there were a lot more councillors up for election each year.
This is the fundamental incoherence of the Leave case, and it can't just be swept under the carpet. Are we prepared to accept the economic hit on financial and other business services which is implicit in the principal political reason for leaving, or not?
I'm not sure what Ted Heath's finest achievement was
1) Taking us in to the EU
or
2) Taking Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.
"It's a private matter in so far as it's a privately held interest, but it's not a private matter if tax has not been paid.
"So an investigation must take place, an independent investigation."
Seems like Corbyn hasn't heard of HMRC.
German intelligence agency's mistrust of EU partners -- and vice versa -- is hindering cooperation on anti-terror: https://t.co/p7avOMrsnC
http://openeuropeblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/we-cant-complete-eu-single-market-in.html
Rallings and Thrasher, experts in their field
Or you, someone who always spins the best for Labour?
Andrew Lilico discusses on conhome.
We've done our bit.
BTW, Yorkshire in all her glory pre-74:
http://county-wise.org.uk/documents/2014/01/abc-yorkshire-map.png
It's hard to see what anyone is trying to prove here. If earnings are declared on a UK return, one assumes it will be taxed. So if Cameron received an additional £100K on top of his salary, it would be included in any calculation.
Edit: "quite a slug" = 29% of exports (not all to the EU, obvs).
I am sure, much though I personally dislike the man, that Corbyn's financial affairs are a model of probity. He has never seemed interested in money, and he has one job for which he is paid a simple (albeit substantial) basic salary. He does not claim significant expenses (famously, one ink cartridge in a year - makes you wonder why he wasn't doing more printing) and he does not seem to be building up for a retirement package over and above what will be a reasonable pension for his work as an MP.
His wife, on the other hand, runs a company that has already been criticised (admittedly by a very unreliable newspaper) for exploiting its workers - it wouldn't surprise me to learn that there were some interesting tax arrangements going on there.
His brother Piers is also the owner/part owner/manager of a firm called Metraweather, that appears to have its head office in NEw Zealand and whose operations are disguised through a variety of off-shore companies.
So while I am happy to agree with you that Corbyn is almost certainly clean, I'm not going to go bail for his family.
And yes, it does pose some questions about where next ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35966412?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
https://twitter.com/sigridurtul/status/717332812463005696
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025156/Red-Ed-s-hypocrite-Hobbit-tax-avoider-know-double-standards-champagne-socialists-investigation-shows-Labour-s-new-celebrity-poster-boy-really-takes-biscuit.html
Everybody ends up covered in s##t.
*Coal was burned to make gas, don't forget, until the discovery of North Sea gas turned us over to natural gas.
It seemed an extremely strange story at the time. But there you are, with Corbyn anything is possible (and I could actually believe that he would buy such things out of his own pocket).