Michael Deacon Nicky Morgan has just referred to "the Twitters" and "the Facebooks"
What's wrong with a sentence like 'the Twitters and the Facebooks of this world'?
The way the complainant has broken it up suggests he thinks Nicky Morgan thinks the names of the services are The Facebook and The Twitter. Your sentence makes it clear that is not the case.
@MichaelPDeacon: Nicky Morgan is giving a speech about why we must vote to stay in the EU. Among her reasons: young people enjoy "inter-railing"
And indeed they did before the UK joined the EU - and many of the original 21 InterRail countries weren't in the EU......and some of them still aren't........
That is extremely weak.
I went interrailing all over Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary in 2003 on an InterRail ticket.
All those countries joined the EU only the following year.
Listen TSE, I asked this last time during the election- and considering JackW's track record, can one of the editors please post his ARSE in the main section on the site.
This is a betting site- and for reasons that are quite unfathomable- JackW's ARSE has proved to be by far the most reliable predictor of political events by far on this site, and some of us haven't the inclination to go digging through the pages of some often narcissistic, grating postings to find it.
I am OK with the opinionated rightwingers to be honest- that is the bulk of our fellow contributors here, it is the me, me, me, me brigade that turn me off. I won't mention names.
I'll see what I can do.
I'll ask Jack to pen a piece explaining why he thinks that will be the result.
@MichaelPDeacon: Nicky Morgan is giving a speech about why we must vote to stay in the EU. Among her reasons: young people enjoy "inter-railing"
And indeed they did before the UK joined the EU - and many of the original 21 InterRail countries weren't in the EU......and some of them still aren't........
That is extremely weak.
I went interrailing all over Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary in 2003 on an InterRail ticket.
All those countries joined the EU only the following year.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Surely those figures are more or less what you'd expect when party loyalties are factored in? There are many people who'd say Cameron should resign if it was revealed he'd been to the toilet this morning and forgotten to flush.
In other words: how easy is it to split this sort of question from ordinary VI or leader (un)popularity?
(I might be very wrong in this, but it'd be good to see other data).
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
In the privacy of the ballot box Michael Gove might back remain to ensure Dave is still PM post referendum.
Why? He's going anyway. That'd be completely short sighted.
So he can go at a time of his choosing rather than doing a Labour and electing Peter Bone as leader
It might just be me but I put what I feel are the best interests of the country above the convenience of one man's political career.
"Since the referendum question last month the date of the vote has been announced so as a result we have slightly modified the question to include a preamble reflecting this. We also now include a follow-up question asking which way the respondent would be most inclined to vote for those who are either undecided or refused, in line with how we ask our General Election question. Now that the referendum date has been set, we have also stopped asking our long-term trend question, and are just using the referendum question itself.
If we were to apply the same turnout filter that would have given us the most accurate results in the 2015 general election (combining stated likelihood to vote with how regularly people vote in previous elections), then the lead is much narrower, at 2 points (remain is on 48%, leave 46%). However it is important to note that turnout at the referendum may be different from turnout at a general election. Estimating turnout is one of the crucial challenges in polling at any election, and for this referendum we have no recent comparable precedents to help us."
The Remain lead is actually 7 on the simple question. It rises to 8 when people are pressed on which way they are leaning, and falls to 2 on the General Election turnout assumptions.
I think it's increasingly obvious that the question is whether pro-EU Labour voters will bother, especially those who didn't even bother to vote Labour last year, and Remain and Labour really need to get their act together on that.
It is important to note some changes to the way we now ask the question. Since the referendum question last month the date of the vote has been announced so as a result we have slightly modified the question to include a preamble reflecting this. We also now include a follow-up question asking which way the respondent would be most inclined to vote for those who are either undecided or refused, in line with how we ask our General Election question.
If we were to apply the same turnout filter that would have given us the most accurate results in the 2015 general election (combining stated likelihood to vote with how regularly people vote in previous elections), then the lead is much narrower, at 2 points (remain is on 48%, leave 46%). However it is important to note that turnout at the referendum may be different from turnout at a general election. Estimating turnout is one of the crucial challenges in polling at any election, and for this referendum we have no recent comparable precedents to help us.
The campaign may unfold unpredictably. So we will continue testing different methods of estimating turnout during the campaign, and may show figures based on a different range of turnout scenarios in the future.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
In the privacy of the ballot box Michael Gove might back remain to ensure Dave is still PM post referendum.
Why? He's going anyway. That'd be completely short sighted.
So he can go at a time of his choosing rather than doing a Labour and electing Peter Bone as leader
It might just be me but I put what I feel are the best interests of the country above the convenience of one man's political career.
The best interests of the country are served by David Cameron continuing as First Lord of the Treasury for as long as possible
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
In the privacy of the ballot box Michael Gove might back remain to ensure Dave is still PM post referendum.
Why? He's going anyway. That'd be completely short sighted.
So he can go at a time of his choosing rather than doing a Labour and electing Peter Bone as leader
It might just be me but I put what I feel are the best interests of the country above the convenience of one man's political career.
The best interests of the country are served by David Cameron continuing as First Lord of the Treasury for as long as possible
The best interests of the country are served by securing for the UK the powers and independence necessary to make a full success of itself as a global trading nation in the 21stC.
If David Cameron can lead us to those promised lands, I will be happy. If not, new leadership will be required.
I will not base my vote on what will be most likely to prolong his political career, nor to cut it short.
@MichaelPDeacon: Nicky Morgan is giving a speech about why we must vote to stay in the EU. Among her reasons: young people enjoy "inter-railing"
And indeed they did before the UK joined the EU - and many of the original 21 InterRail countries weren't in the EU......and some of them still aren't........
That is extremely weak.
I went interrailing all over Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary in 2003 on an InterRail ticket.
All those countries joined the EU only the following year.
The next year I did Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria and Turkey.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I recognise Cameron is our best electoral asset. The trouble is (a) I don't think he really believes in it (and his fellow EU leaders know that) and (b) his negotiation skills aren't exactly Chris Sabian.
If he radically reshuffled his cabinet, put Leave negotiations in the hands of Gove, and was fully open-book with the parliamentary party over his approach then, maybe, but right now I'm struggling to see how it's work.
Peter Mannion MP "Hi Kids. My name's Nicky Morgan but you can use my street tag 'NiMo'. Why don't you cool cats slide on over to my MySpace page etc..."
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
In the privacy of the ballot box Michael Gove might back remain to ensure Dave is still PM post referendum.
Why? He's going anyway. That'd be completely short sighted.
So he can go at a time of his choosing rather than doing a Labour and electing Peter Bone as leader
It might just be me but I put what I feel are the best interests of the country above the convenience of one man's political career.
The best interests of the country are served by David Cameron continuing as First Lord of the Treasury for as long as possible
Ceteris paribus, yes
But if he was to go doolally and, say, give away our independence then it wouldn't be the case.
I think it's increasingly obvious that the question is whether pro-EU Labour voters will bother, especially those who didn't even bother to vote Labour last year, and Remain and Labour really need to get their act together on that.
The more the Govt parade people such as Nikki Morgan in the media advocating REMAIN, the less media time is available for REMAIN people who Labour GE2015 voters would actually respect. Cameron & Osborne think they are fighting a GE2016. They are not - it is a referendum where the soft REMAIN potential vote is probably Labour voters.
On topic I think Remain will win comfortably and Cameron will stay on. He is by far the best thing the Tories have and they would be mad to ditch him prematurely. None of his possible successors come close - at the moment anyway - and those Tories who think that playing games withe leadership is some sort of cost- free exercise need to grow up. They have a small majority and a Corbyn led Labour government would be one hell of a FUBAR.
I had to check twice that you'd written that. I agree with it all. Worst case is 'leave' closely followed by Cameron being replaced closely followed by Corbyn taking over. All those would create a crisis as daunting as any we've suffered since the worst days of John Major's government (92-95)
The Tories are being far too complacent and,indeed, hubristic about Corbyn. Mere words cannot express my contempt for the man or the rotten state of today's Labour Party.
But the Tories are not so far ahead or so endowed with talent that they can afford to make the sort of mistakes they have been making or to indulge in internecine warfare over a leader who has been more successful than they at first imagined and who has given us the referendum that a lot have demanded. I don't think he has covered himself in glory over the negotiations and I share many of the criticisms of the EU which the more intelligent of the Leavers have made. But if Leave lose they have only themselves to blame: the case for Leave is - has to be - more than the "push" factor and the "pull" factor has been incoherent. Taking out their own failings on Cameron is adolescent and risks letting in Labour by default.
And I think the current Labour Party under its current leadership and with the sort of members it has is far more of a threat than anything the EU can do.
Totally agree, especially with the last line.
Corbyn's changing the Labour Party. To make things worse for the Tories, even if Corbyn goes, his successor might well be a more saleable person with Corbynite policies.
It's the height of stupidity to rule them out.
Indeed. The Tories risk making the same mistake as Cooper, Burnham et al. If you don't want Corbynite arguments to win, you have to make the case against them - over and over again, with verve and eloquence and force and in a way that resonates. It's not as if there's a shortage of such arguments.
It does seem bizarre to me that so many people who go into politics are so afraid of making and, indeed, bloody useless at political arguments.
Quite often think we should put PB in the House of Commons it would be enlightening and more useful.
Even dear old Roger who could be known as "the Beast of bourgeoisie"
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
I expect Gove would be out saying that that is what the Queen really wants too !!!
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
I expect Gove would be out saying that that is what the Queen really wants too !!!
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
Yes I think so too. The compromise will be Gove as chancellor and Boris at the FCO. Those are the two key positions for negotiating the Leave settlement.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I recognise Cameron is our best electoral asset. The trouble is (a) I don't think he really believes in it (and his fellow EU leaders know that) and (b) his negotiation skills aren't exactly Chris Sabian.
If he radically reshuffled his cabinet, put Leave negotiations in the hands of Gove, and was fully open-book with the parliamentary party over his approach then, maybe, but right now I'm struggling to see how it's work.
His negotiating skills are excellent, but I can't see how he could credibly lead Brexit negotiations. I'd be in favour of a change in leadership in the event of a Leave result, but perhaps not immediately; the most urgent task would be to steady the ship in order to mitigate the short-term economic damage. In addition, there would have to be some time for discussion both in the party and in the country as to what to do next. That discussion could then lead into the leadership contest.
I missed Nikki Morgan on LBC this morning but did hear after the interview, about 20 minutes of callers to the programme. All negative, with teachers attacking her saying that before the EU we had french teachers here helping in schools and small business people pointing out that they have different paperwork for all countries in the EU that they operate in.... Terms such as "lying" being used.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I recognise Cameron is our best electoral asset. The trouble is (a) I don't think he really believes in it (and his fellow EU leaders know that) and (b) his negotiation skills aren't exactly Chris Sabian.
If he radically reshuffled his cabinet, put Leave negotiations in the hands of Gove, and was fully open-book with the parliamentary party over his approach then, maybe, but right now I'm struggling to see how it's work.
He would make Gove the chancellor, it's a good compromise that puts a Cameroon he can trust in the most important Cabinet post and it gets rid of the dead weight that is Osborne.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
Question: Would Cameron (and, by extension, the nation ) be better off with a 1% Remain win or a 1% Leave win?
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
I think he probably will have to resign but I don't think he should nor do I think it will be good for the country or the Tory party. I suspect Gove feels the same thing. This is why Cameron alienating such a large section of his own party and his wider support annoys me so much. He is the one who seems to be actively pursuing a policy which will result in his departure after the referendum.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
Question: Would Cameron (and, by extension, the nation ) be better off with a 1% Remain win or a 1% Leave win?
Sounds like a thread to be written.
My one wish is Leave don't get 45%
I don't think twitter nor my sanity could cope with people banging on about being "We are the 45"
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Or push a lot of Labour towards Leave....
But there's more Tory voters than Labour voters.
The latest polls say not....
Only one rouge YouGov does.
All the others have the Tories ahead.
And we know Tories turnout to vote.
Polls with Corbyn in the lead are "rouge"? How apt....
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Is that actually a blow to him? I think he must intend to resign anyway if he loses. (I know, we've had this discussion 100 times.)
Is going to push a lot of loyal Tories back into the Remain camp.
Or push a lot of Labour towards Leave....
But there's more Tory voters than Labour voters.
The latest polls say not....
Only one rouge YouGov does.
All the others have the Tories ahead.
And we know Tories turnout to vote.
Polls with Corbyn in the lead are "rouge"? How apt....
If and when Dave loses (inshallah) maybe the best thing he could do is resign immediately but stand for the leadership election. I reckon he'd probably win and the very act of resigning would show contrition.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
I think he probably will have to resign but I don't think he should nor do I think it will be good for the country or the Tory party. I suspect Gove feels the same thing. This is why Cameron alienating such a large section of his own party and his wider support annoys me so much. He is the one who seems to be actively pursuing a policy which will result in his departure after the referendum.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Surely those figures are more or less what you'd expect when party loyalties are factored in? There are many people who'd say Cameron should resign if it was revealed he'd been to the toilet this morning and forgotten to flush.
In other words: how easy is it to split this sort of question from ordinary VI or leader (un)popularity?
(I might be very wrong in this, but it'd be good to see other data).
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
Cameron is not to be trusted. He might well try to organize a second referendum ( see Eire ) in the case of a Leave victory, so he'll have to be dispatched in the immediate aftermath of liberation.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I recognise Cameron is our best electoral asset. The trouble is (a) I don't think he really believes in it (and his fellow EU leaders know that) and (b) his negotiation skills aren't exactly Chris Sabian.
If he radically reshuffled his cabinet, put Leave negotiations in the hands of Gove, and was fully open-book with the parliamentary party over his approach then, maybe, but right now I'm struggling to see how it's work.
His negotiating skills are excellent, but I can't see how he could credibly lead Brexit negotiations. I'd be in favour of a change in leadership in the event of a Leave result, but perhaps not immediately; the most urgent task would be to steady the ship in order to mitigate the short-term economic damage. In addition, there would have to be some time for discussion both in the party and in the country as to what to do next. That discussion could then lead into the leadership contest.
I agree an immediate Cameron resignation would be destabilising. I expect Gove to Foreign Secretary, and perhaps Leadsom to Chancellor with promotions for Patel (and Boris would have to go somewhere) whilst Osborne would have to walk.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
Cameron is not to be trusted. He might well try to organize a second referendum ( see Eire ) in the case of a Leave victory, so he'll have to be dispatched in the immediate aftermath of liberation.
There is a fundamental difference with the Ireland situation. In that case there was a treaty that had been ratified by a bunch of countries, but not Ireland. In this case, Cameron has said, and I see know reason to disbelieve him, that Article 50 would be invoked within weeks of a vote to leave the EU.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
Surely those figures are more or less what you'd expect when party loyalties are factored in? There are many people who'd say Cameron should resign if it was revealed he'd been to the toilet this morning and forgotten to flush.
In other words: how easy is it to split this sort of question from ordinary VI or leader (un)popularity?
(I might be very wrong in this, but it'd be good to see other data).
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
Cameron is not to be trusted. He might well try to organize a second referendum ( see Eire ) in the case of a Leave victory, so he'll have to be dispatched in the immediate aftermath of liberation.
Well I'm in the 44% of people who want Dave to stay as PM after the vote. Not sure about other members on here, but I think it is a majority view that we should hold on to Dave as PM whatever the outcome. I certainly don't want Boris to be PM, or Gove for that matter.
I suspect were Leave to win, I suspect on June 24th, Michael Gove will be out telling Tory MPs not to be so flipping stupid and back Cameron.
I think he probably will have to resign but I don't think he should nor do I think it will be good for the country or the Tory party. I suspect Gove feels the same thing. This is why Cameron alienating such a large section of his own party and his wider support annoys me so much. He is the one who seems to be actively pursuing a policy which will result in his departure after the referendum.
Well this is what I said last time, if Dave had come out for Leave he would have carried 270-280 of his MPs, 70-80% of Tory voters and 80-90% of members. It isn't the EU that is driving the current split among Conservatives, it is loyalty to the PM.
Boris has revalidated every single one of my worst fears about him since he declared for Leave. It seems he has learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
Laying him is an even more clear bet than laying Osborne was three months ago IMHO.
I dread Boris becoming PM. Not only because he'd be shit, but also because he'd dramatically increase the chance of Corbyn 2020. Finally, I think he'd be rubbish at the Exit negotiations. You need stamina, hard work, and an eye for detail.
Guido is doing a good job of digging for dirt on who Khan's associates have been over the years.
Who reads Guido anyway? Apart from those right-wing fruitcakes on live on this blog...
As I said earlier, Sadiq Khan will win COMFORTABLY.
Shooting the messenger again, I see.
Khan may well win. But are you comfortable with having as Mayor of London at a time of increased terrorist threat someone who is friends and associates with people who have been convicted of terrorist crimes (Babar Ahmed) or who justify them and those who do them (Cage) or who express ant-Jewish, anti-women and anti-gay sentiment (Cage, again and Hizb ut-Tahrir)?
What signal do you think that sends out to Londoners, to those trying to protect us, to those who are seeking to harm us?
Court News Husband who decapitated his wife complained she 'was not the housewife she used to be' and became 'more liberal in her outlook', court hears
Guido is doing a good job of digging for dirt on who Khan's associates have been over the years.
Who reads Guido anyway? Apart from those right-wing fruitcakes on live on this blog...
As I said earlier, Sadiq Khan will win COMFORTABLY.
Shooting the messenger again, I see.
Khan may well win. But are you comfortable with having as Mayor of London at a time of increased terrorist threat someone who is friends and associates with people who have been convicted of terrorist crimes (Babar Ahmed) or who justify them and those who do them (Cage) or who express ant-Jewish, anti-women and anti-gay sentiment (Cage, again and Hizb ut-Tahrir)?
What signal do you think that sends out to Londoners, to those trying to protect us, to those who are seeking to harm us?
In my office, there are very few goldsmith supporters. In fact, I expect very low turnout in the mayoral elections because both major candidates are so uninspiring.
Conor Pope @Conorpope Outgoing NUT gen sec Christine Blower has just announced she's joining the Labour Party From the NUT to the nuthouse.
The NUT never fail to surprise me in expressing how little they support actually teaching our children.
I am shocked at how it has become acceptable for Blower to push marxism. I do not welcome the sudden move to make every school an academy, but maybe the state of our teaching profession has to be tackled by busting the powers of the unions.
Boris has revalidated every single one of my worst fears about him since he declared for Leave. It seems he has learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
Laying him is an even more clear bet than laying Osborne was three months ago IMHO.
I dread Boris becoming PM. Not only because he'd be shit, but also because he'd dramatically increase the chance of Corbyn 2020. Finally, I think he'd be rubbish at the Exit negotiations. You need stamina, hard work, and an eye for detail.
And he'd go native in minutes. Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks he's a sincere Leaver?
I simply don't trust Boris, not to mention the fact he is grossly unqualified for the office.
Guido is doing a good job of digging for dirt on who Khan's associates have been over the years.
Who reads Guido anyway? Apart from those right-wing fruitcakes on live on this blog...
As I said earlier, Sadiq Khan will win COMFORTABLY.
Shooting the messenger again, I see.
Khan may well win. But are you comfortable with having as Mayor of London at a time of increased terrorist threat someone who is friends and associates with people who have been convicted of terrorist crimes (Babar Ahmed) or who justify them and those who do them (Cage) or who express ant-Jewish, anti-women and anti-gay sentiment (Cage, again and Hizb ut-Tahrir)?
What signal do you think that sends out to Londoners, to those trying to protect us, to those who are seeking to harm us?
In my office, there are very few goldsmith supporters. In fact, I expect very low turnout in the mayoral elections because both major candidates are so uninspiring.
Yes, I expect it to be a low turnout election which helps Zac.
Court News Husband who decapitated his wife complained she 'was not the housewife she used to be' and became 'more liberal in her outlook', court hears
Charming....imagine if she said we wanted to go and get a job and earn her own money...
Yeah, I saw the WSJ article over the weekend and had to do a double take. I would be very, very surprised to see a half-step console release. The whole idea behind a console being a closed system means you really shouldn't have them and the industry is littered with half-step failures. I still think it will be a PS4 with the same basic hardware, a bigger hard drive, a 4K Blu-ray drive and HDMI 2.0 port with the
The other theory is that they are going to have a "double PS4" with a new APU with exactly double the current power nit is the benchmark and the new one is just there for people who want to run at higher resolutions but with no actual advantage in terms of development for a higher spec.
VR is very demanding, especially if you want a good game sitting underneath it. Could it be they realise that their VR experience on the existing PS4 might not be that good due to lack of grunt, and therefore
Well I think that's where the "double PS4" idea comes in. They could, theoretically, make the new PS4 able to churn out double the framerate of existing games without changing the baseline power level for development. Those who want the premier VR/4k experience could get the new PS4, those who just want to play in 1080p can stick withtue current one. The actual PS4 architecture is very forwards thinking, I remember working on one of the launch games for it and the designers basically had to guess where they thought computing was headed and the bet the house on asynchronous compute, lo and behold D3D12 includes asynch as a base feature. In that sense the PS4 has the architecture to go toe to toe with the best PC set ups, it just doesn't have the grunt, the double PS4 idea makes sense in that light too.
Thanks. I'm not up on the current gen of consoles.
Almost half the public rejects David Cameron’s claim that he can stay on as Prime Minister if he loses the European Union referendum, an exclusive poll reveals today.
In a new blow to the Prime Minister, Ipsos MORI found 48 per cent think he should resign if he fails in his campaign to keep Britain in the EU. Only 44 per cent thought Mr Cameron could continue as PM.
As others have noted, not really a blow as such. Despite being a. Leaver I'd like him to stay on as PM if he could, I just don't think he will be able to even if he doesn't resign, so he may as well resign. Like with the IndyRef, I just don't believe him when he says he doesn't plan to resign, so that would also impact how I responded to such a question.
The NUT is like some weird Sanders leftovers, I thought the group think of my art school lecturers was appalling in GLC London. That it's still prospering in 2016 is beyond bizarre.
I can only assume the poisonous stuff I railed against was swallowed whole by my peers.
Conor Pope @Conorpope Outgoing NUT gen sec Christine Blower has just announced she's joining the Labour Party From the NUT to the nuthouse.
The NUT never fail to surprise me in expressing how little they support actually teaching our children.
I am shocked at how it has become acceptable for Blower to push marxism. I do not welcome the sudden move to make every school an academy, but maybe the state of our teaching profession has to be tackled by busting the powers of the unions.
Conor Pope @Conorpope Outgoing NUT gen sec Christine Blower has just announced she's joining the Labour Party From the NUT to the nuthouse.
The NUT never fail to surprise me in expressing how little they support actually teaching our children.
I am shocked at how it has become acceptable for Blower to push marxism. I do not welcome the sudden move to make every school an academy, but maybe the state of our teaching profession has to be tackled by busting the powers of the unions.
We have the shadow leader and chancellor who are terrorist sympathizers and think it is fine to quote the pearls of wisdom from a mass murderer...should be no surprise what is acceptable these days...other than Jewish in the Labour Party.
Guido is doing a good job of digging for dirt on who Khan's associates have been over the years.
Who reads Guido anyway? Apart from those right-wing fruitcakes on live on this blog...
As I said earlier, Sadiq Khan will win COMFORTABLY.
Shooting the messenger again, I see.
Khan may well win. But are you comfortable with having as Mayor of London at a time of increased terrorist threat someone who is friends and associates with people who have been convicted of terrorist crimes (Babar Ahmed) or who justify them and those who do them (Cage) or who express ant-Jewish, anti-women and anti-gay sentiment (Cage, again and Hizb ut-Tahrir)?
What signal do you think that sends out to Londoners, to those trying to protect us, to those who are seeking to harm us?
In my office, there are very few goldsmith supporters. In fact, I expect very low turnout in the mayoral elections because both major candidates are so uninspiring.
Conor Pope @Conorpope Outgoing NUT gen sec Christine Blower has just announced she's joining the Labour Party From the NUT to the nuthouse.
The NUT never fail to surprise me in expressing how little they support actually teaching our children.
I am shocked at how it has become acceptable for Blower to push marxism. I do not welcome the sudden move to make every school an academy, but maybe the state of our teaching profession has to be tackled by busting the powers of the unions.
The ideal education system for the NUT is for all schools to be under Left-wing political control, with lots of staff, highly lucrative pay and benefits, and chairing discussions of children who learn through exploring the boundaries of topical left-wing shibboleths, coached by said teachers.
Marking, exams, grammar, spelling, curriculums, parents evenings, and teaching assessments would all be history and they would be unaccountable.
Assad / Isil. One of them is a direct threat to us. One is not. We should do nothing to help the monster that is not a direct threat but otherwise ignore him. We should focus all our military and intelligence effort only on the one that is a direct threat to us.
Yeah, I saw the WSJ article over the weekend and had to do a double take. I would be very, very surprised to see a half-step console release. The whole idea behind a console being a closed system means you really shouldn't have them and the industry is littered with half-step failures. I still think it will be a PS4 with the same basic hardware, a bigger hard drive, a 4K Blu-ray drive and HDMI 2.0 port with the
The other theory is that they are going to have a "double PS4" with a new APU with exactly double the current power nit is the benchmark and the new one is just there for people who want to run at higher resolutions but with no actual advantage in terms of development for a higher spec.
VR is very demanding, especially if you want a good game sitting underneath it. Could it be they realise that their VR experience on the existing PS4 might not be that good due to lack of grunt, and therefore
Well I think that's where the "double PS4" idea comes in. They could, theoretically, make the new PS4 able to churn out double the framerate of existing games without changing the baseline power level for development. Those who want the premier VR/4k experience could get the new PS4, those who just want to play in 1080p can stick withtue current one. The actual PS4 architecture is very forwards thinking, I remember working on one of the launch games for it and the designers basically had to guess where they thought computing was headed and the bet the house on asynchronous compute, lo and behold D3D12 includes asynch as a base feature. In that sense the PS4 has the architecture to go toe to toe with the best PC set ups, it just doesn't have the grunt, the double PS4 idea makes sense in that light too.
Thanks. I'm not up on the current gen of consoles.
A proud member of the PC master race?
A proud member of the too-tired-to-do-anything-due-to-young-toddler under race.
I've been out of the consumer computer market for years now. Small devices was more my thing until the little 'un came along.
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https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3714/Half-think-David-Cameron-should-resign-as-Prime-Minister-if-Britain-votes-to-leave-the-EU.aspx
Cameron right to worry about turnout - REMAIN only 2 points ahead if factor in turnout (46%LEAVE vs 48% REMAIN) https://t.co/9zAcNL0uCK
I went interrailing all over Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic and Hungary in 2003 on an InterRail ticket.
All those countries joined the EU only the following year.
For the first time the Grand National was run on Saturday,today in 1947, at request of PM, Clem Attlee, 'in interests of British industry.'
"Since the referendum question last month the date of the vote has been announced so as a result we have slightly modified the question to include a preamble reflecting this. We also now include a follow-up question asking which way the respondent would be most inclined to vote for those who are either undecided or refused, in line with how we ask our General Election question. Now that the referendum date has been set, we have also stopped asking our long-term trend question, and are just using the referendum question itself.
If we were to apply the same turnout filter that would have given us the most accurate results in the 2015 general election (combining stated likelihood to vote with how regularly people vote in previous elections), then the lead is much narrower, at 2 points (remain is on 48%, leave 46%). However it is important to note that turnout at the referendum may be different from turnout at a general election. Estimating turnout is one of the crucial challenges in polling at any election, and for this referendum we have no recent comparable precedents to help us."
The Remain lead is actually 7 on the simple question. It rises to 8 when people are pressed on which way they are leaning, and falls to 2 on the General Election turnout assumptions.
I think it's increasingly obvious that the question is whether pro-EU Labour voters will bother, especially those who didn't even bother to vote Labour last year, and Remain and Labour really need to get their act together on that.
VIDEO: Moment someone climbs out of the cockpit window on #EgyptAir flight - @SkyNews
https://t.co/6L5TcwNkAQ
If David Cameron can lead us to those promised lands, I will be happy. If not, new leadership will be required.
I will not base my vote on what will be most likely to prolong his political career, nor to cut it short.
I appreciate others may think differently.
Again, almost all of them outside the EU.
Yet more nonsense from Project BS.
Hope, rather than fear, is reason why most Britons will vote one way or the other https://t.co/bIGf2jKtJw #EUref https://t.co/6AeJRFHIfR
Outgoing NUT gen sec Christine Blower has just announced she's joining the Labour Party
From the NUT to the nuthouse.
If he radically reshuffled his cabinet, put Leave negotiations in the hands of Gove, and was fully open-book with the parliamentary party over his approach then, maybe, but right now I'm struggling to see how it's work.
"Hi Kids. My name's Nicky Morgan but you can use my street tag 'NiMo'. Why don't you cool cats slide on over to my MySpace page etc..."
But if he was to go doolally and, say, give away our independence then it wouldn't be the case.
Even dear old Roger who could be known as "the Beast of bourgeoisie"
As I said earlier, Sadiq Khan will win COMFORTABLY.
Somebody who wants to be PM would not write this. The guy used chemical weapons on his people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12205262/Bravo-for-Assad-he-is-a-vile-tyrant-but-he-has-saved-Palmyra-from-Isil.html
All the others have the Tories ahead.
And we know Tories turnout to vote.
My one wish is Leave don't get 45%
I don't think twitter nor my sanity could cope with people banging on about being "We are the 45"
Christine Blower ends final speech as NUT gen sec by quoting Marx and leading a rendition of Power in a Union. What a way to go out! #NUT16
Laying him is an even more clear bet than laying Osborne was three months ago IMHO.
http://web.archive.org/web/20071210192953/www.sadiqkhan.org.uk/key_issues/babar_ahmad.htm
1) That was your best thread ever
2) Did Cameron pay you to write that drivel
I'm really pissed at him for this.
https://twitter.com/electoralreform/status/714786311626952704
The contest to be kicked off at Conference 2016.
Khan may well win. But are you comfortable with having as Mayor of London at a time of increased terrorist threat someone who is friends and associates with people who have been convicted of terrorist crimes (Babar Ahmed) or who justify them and those who do them (Cage) or who express ant-Jewish, anti-women and anti-gay sentiment (Cage, again and Hizb ut-Tahrir)?
What signal do you think that sends out to Londoners, to those trying to protect us, to those who are seeking to harm us?
GOP National Race:
Trump 48%
Cruz 27
Kasich 18
@NBCNews/@SurveyMonkey https://t.co/KKv8vV8nje
I took a break from teh interwebz over Easter, and it was great.
Court News
Husband who decapitated his wife complained she 'was not the housewife she used to be' and became 'more liberal in her outlook', court hears
I simply don't trust Boris, not to mention the fact he is grossly unqualified for the office.
I can only assume the poisonous stuff I railed against was swallowed whole by my peers.
Unfortunately the blob is still strong.
Marking, exams, grammar, spelling, curriculums, parents evenings, and teaching assessments would all be history and they would be unaccountable.
In other words, very much like Marx.
I've been out of the consumer computer market for years now. Small devices was more my thing until the little 'un came along.