Is he expected to significantly overperform in the primaries today?
Theres an outside chance that he could win the lot.
That's not an outside chance.
An outside chance is the hipster types that support him saying "crickey that Himalayan Yak's milk in Whole Foods is a bit pricey, perhaps I will buy a normal gallon from Walmart instead..."
Or the College kids planning a party saying.."Red cups, I think they we will do without this time."
I tell you something, trying to be slightly open minded here on Islam, invites a fair amount of personal abuse, see SeanT below, though to be fair, I was a bit harsh on you Yokel in the first place. SeanT is a classic, really quite unpleasant, slightly (only slightly mind) high functioning, narcissist, so enough said there.
I just intuitively know that demonising Islam is not going to help anything, other than provide a short term vent for some frustrations.
My name here is after my cat, Tyson, who was a real fighter. He lost a half an ear, half a tail, had numerous trips to the vets for all kinds of fighting injuries, and terrorised Oxford Central North as far as I could see. I think he provided a major source of income for the local vets, both for his injuries and what he gave out. He finally came to a sad end at the hands of a bicycle.
I agree with Nick on the need for positive messages from both.
My understanding is that Mitterrand immediately stood behind the UK, unlike the USA.
I think he sold the Argies the Exocets and then, as soon as he'd received payment, gave the guidance codes to the Brits (basically making the missiles useless)...
They obviously weren't that useless.
And you've failed to read my post. You love to see yourself as some contrarian..perhaps with a moniker named after a rapist and fruitcake...such an association is always a sign of an individuals weakness at their core....but you have nothing other than contrarian talk that will jemmy everything to fit your world view such as it is. Good luck to you, it will achieve nothing.
Omnium, most denominational schools teach things like English, Maths, French, etc. With considerable success, judging by their results.
Bromptonaut, good luck with trying to ban parents from passing on their beliefs, religious, political, or ethical, to their children.
I really do think that calls to ban denominational schools are pretty totalitarian. Almost as if children are seen as the wards of the State.
I don't doubt for one moment the high quality of the education that many religious schools give. They'd be better off, in my view, if nonsense wasn't an additional element on the curriculum though.
I don't like a ban either - you could opt in to nonsense lessons if you chose.
Omnium, have you ever actually studied religion in any depth? I'm thinking of the likes of Daoism and Confucianism here, as well as arguably Communism (Communists also tend to be very ignorant of what 'religions' are, in my experience, which is why so many of them are cross when you point out that it is to all intents and purposes a religion).
@OldKingCole, I once taught RE to a group of diehard teenage atheists. Their last teacher but two had turned them right off the subject because she was an evangelical Christian and could never critique Christianity effectively while never having a good word to say about other religions. The loveliest moment I ever had in teaching was discovering that it had gone from being their most hated subject to one of their best liked.
Mr Ydoethur. Congratulations; really rewarding. I should say that my grandson likes the subject and is, I'm delighted to understand, happy to fight his corner.
Religious studies should perhaps also focus on the incredible success that religion has had in keeping people in order. We wouldn't want the masses to do something rash like think would we!
edit:i had to cut a lot of stuff to get this to post - refer back
The point Omnium is that you are yourself proving your own point wrong. Religious studies, ever since it ceased to be divinity in about 1950, had been about what religions believe. It is, as a diehard atheist lecturer of mine once commented, a valuable subject for that reason.
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The reason I compared him to Robespierre is that his attitude is almost identical to that of the politicians of the Third Republic, admirers of the Revolution, who came up with the original dog's breakfast that is French educational and clerical policy.
i don't quite see how I'm proving myself wrong. I've also responded to to Sean_F that I see some benefit in understanding the views of others.
Atheism can be as fundamentalist as any old religion. If that's what you meant then you're entirely right. I think though that there's a 'careful atheist' position that should be the default.
So..
Was there a creator? We don't know Are there beings that are beyond us? Almost certainly 'yes'.
(Chinese delivery arrived, so fill the rest in for yourselves)
But that's agnosticism. Not atheism. For the rest, I am happy to accept your position as stated.
I hope you enjoy the Chinese.
Thanks. I'm a little fatter now.
Agnosticism to an extent, in that I would imagine that something along the lines of a creator/arbiter situation could exist, but complete atheism as to the world's religions (so far as I know them).
My best guess is that we exist by accident, and have no importance whatsoever. Others disagree in their best guesses. If I'm wrong and our existence isn't accidental, or perhaps even that we have some importance - even then I think it's wildly unlikely that anything like an existing religion is right.
This is just the way I see things. I'm reporting rather than preaching.
I can think of nothing more interesting than the reports of others as to how they find the world, and nothing more dull than any preaching that I, or anyone else, might do as to the primacy of those views.
I agree with tyson and also with Richard Tyndall. Most people of most belief systems are OK, and we should go after the ones who aren't, instead of taking them as typical of everyone who shares their religion.
On a less disputatious note, the results have started to come in, and Sanders is ahead 3-1 in Washington with 7% counted.
Nick- I am sorry to hijack your thread with my Islamic detour. Your article was very good though, but at the moment politics and feel good factor appear mutually incompatible.
I do admire though your constant upbeat view of politics; you've always been a glass half full kind of fella, and you view politics as a positive and progressive way of dealing with the challenges ahead and finding solutions rather than the naysayers, yabooers and nihilists.
FWIW on Euro- I am back in the firmly in the yes camp. I would just find it utterly depressing beyond any kind of logic if we were to leave, now, of all times, when we need to pull together to deal with what we need to deal with.
I agree with tyson and also with Richard Tyndall. Most people of most belief systems are OK, and we should go after the ones who aren't, instead of taking them as typical of everyone who shares their religion.
On a less disputatious note, the results have started to come in, and Sanders is ahead 3-1 in Washington with 7% counted.
A kind Muslim man expresses his love for his British Christian country, and for Jesus, and wishes everyone to come together in peace, and then says aHappy Easter
So he is brutally sliced to death by another Muslim.
I find it impossible to express my feelings about Islam, right now, without risking OGH getting a visit from the cops, so I shall say no more.
A halt to immigration from the Muslim world, an end to Muslim state secondary schools, prohibition of the hijab in state insititutions and an outright ban on the burka.
Ataturk would agree with this. Why can't we do it?
A kind Muslim man expresses his love for his British Christian country, and for Jesus, and wishes everyone to come together in peace, and then says aHappy Easter
So he is brutally sliced to death by another Muslim.
I find it impossible to express my feelings about Islam, right now, without risking OGH getting a visit from the cops, so I shall say no more.
A halt to immigration from the Muslim world, an end to Muslim state secondary schools, prohibition of the hijab in state insititutions and an outright ban on the burka.
Ataturk would agree with this. Why can't we do it?
Why should Anglican, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh schools be abolished? What have they done wrong?
A great many of the things that are condemned about Islamic schools are true also of orthodox Jewish ones.
Some religions are more chauvinistic and extremist than others...
I went to a quite notable and successful Catholic School, founded (and still run, in my time) by Irish Christian Brothers.
The formal Catholic doctrinal aspect of the education was practically zero. A teacher would mumble an anodyne prayer for about 30 seconds at the start of the day. There was a crucifix on the wall of every classroom and a handful of typically Catholic statues dotted around the school. And that was about it...
We had RE lessons, but they were mostly about comparative religion, general moral philosophy and social responsibility. Sometimes they involved quite heated discussion of Catholic doctrine like The Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, etc., which was never discouraged.
Sanders really smashing it out of the ground in WA and AK, with a 3-1 margin in both. The similarity to Britain is marked - where the voters are restricted to the party supporters (caucuses), the mood for a leftward swing is overwhelming. With the wider electorate, it's a lot more even.
A kind Muslim man expresses his love for his British Christian country, and for Jesus, and wishes everyone to come together in peace, and then says aHappy Easter
So he is brutally sliced to death by another Muslim.
I find it impossible to express my feelings about Islam, right now, without risking OGH getting a visit from the cops, so I shall say no more.
A halt to immigration from the Muslim world, an end to Muslim state secondary schools, prohibition of the hijab in state insititutions and an outright ban on the burka.
Ataturk would agree with this. Why can't we do it?
Why should Anglican, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu and Sikh schools be abolished? What have they done wrong?
A great many of the things that are condemned about Islamic schools are true also of orthodox Jewish ones.
Some religions are more chauvinistic and extremist than others...
I went to a quite notable and successful Catholic School, founded (and still run, in my time) by Irish Christian Brothers.
The formal Catholic doctrinal aspect of the education was practically zero. A teacher would mumble an anodyne prayer for about 30 seconds at the start of the day. There was a crucifix on the wall of every classroom and a handful of typically Catholic statues dotted around the school. And that was about it...
We had RE lessons, but they were mostly about comparative religion, general moral philosophy and social responsibility. Sometimes they involved quite heated discussion of Catholic doctrine like The Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, etc., which was never discouraged.
"BME cultures are more chauvinistic than "evil whitey" culture - discuss"
Nick- I am sorry to hijack your thread with my Islamic detour. Your article was very good though, but at the moment politics and feel good factor appear mutually incompatible.
I do admire though your constant upbeat view of politics; you've always been a glass half full kind of fella, and you view politics as a positive and progressive way of dealing with the challenges ahead and finding solutions rather than the naysayers, yabooers and nihilists.
FWIW on Euro- I am back in the firmly in the yes camp. I would just find it utterly depressing beyond any kind of logic if we were to leave, now, of all times, when we need to pull together to deal with what we need to deal with.
I agree with tyson and also with Richard Tyndall. Most people of most belief systems are OK, and we should go after the ones who aren't, instead of taking them as typical of everyone who shares their religion.
On a less disputatious note, the results have started to come in, and Sanders is ahead 3-1 in Washington with 7% counted.
peter_from_putney Posts: 3,748 3:36PM Germany vs England Betting Update
It seems I wasn't alone in suggesting here last night that the bookies were being a little generous in offering 5/1 against England winning tonight's friendly international against Germany, their time-honoured enemy. These odds have in the main been trimmed by a not insubstantial 20% to 4/1. As a consequence, the better value in now possibly to be found by backing SkyBet's 13/2 against England winning by the single goal - it seems most unlikely that they will win by two or more goals ..... miracles take a little longer.
peter_from_putney Posts: 3,748 3:36PM Germany vs England Betting Update
It seems I wasn't alone in suggesting here last night that the bookies were being a little generous in offering 5/1 against England winning tonight's friendly international against Germany, their time-honoured enemy. These odds have in the main been trimmed by a not insubstantial 20% to 4/1. As a consequence, the better value in now possibly to be found by backing SkyBet's 13/2 against England winning by the single goal - it seems most unlikely that they will win by two or more goals ..... miracles take a little longer.
He gets £605 every month, others get far more. If they die, the cash goes to their family. These men are seen as terrorists, certainly by Israel, and many in the West
But, astonishingly, the money behind these payments – described by some as ‘rewards for murder’ – flows from British and European taxpayers.
peter_from_putney Posts: 3,748 3:36PM Germany vs England Betting Update
It seems I wasn't alone in suggesting here last night that the bookies were being a little generous in offering 5/1 against England winning tonight's friendly international against Germany, their time-honoured enemy. These odds have in the main been trimmed by a not insubstantial 20% to 4/1. As a consequence, the better value in now possibly to be found by backing SkyBet's 13/2 against England winning by the single goal - it seems most unlikely that they will win by two or more goals ..... miracles take a little longer.
Two Belgian nuclear power plant workers have joined ISIS
One of the men, reportedly known as Ilyass Boughalab, is believed to have been killed in Syria, while the second served a short prison sentence in Belgium for terror-related offences in 2014.
With an extensive understanding of nuclear facilities, the convict's short jail sentence has raised further questioned of the Belgian security services as well as fears he may have passed on important knowledge about the site's to the terrorist group.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
A terror suspect who was arrested by police in Brussels after a dramatic stand-off at a tram stop is believed to have previously been jailed for helping to assassinate an Afghan leader just days before 9/11.
Belgian prosecutors said that Abderaman A. was shot in the leg at the tram stop in Schaerbeek because he was carrying a rucksack police believed contained a bomb.
However, it has also been revealed in Belgian media that the suspect, they have named as Abderaman Ameroud, was jailed for seven years in France in 2005 for providing logistical support for the killing of Afghan resistance leader Ahmed Shah Masood.
Ameroud, who is of French Algerian descent, lived in Afghanistan and was convicted of helping the Taliban to assassinate the commander.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
My bullshit detector has just gone off again....none of what he says makes any logical sense. As post an BREXIT all these decision on funding and immigration would be 100% decided by the UK government.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
If England do well in the Euros it will be on the coat tails of Spurs. Who'd have thought it, an Argentine responsible for England's best chance of success for 20 years.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union, health secretary Jeremy Hunt says.
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
Wot, we won't be able to interweave so well with the wonderful Belgian security and intelligence services? After this week's events and revelations these people - May, Hogan-Howe, General P. - should shut up ...
Rooney's not getting back in this team whilst Vardy and Kane are fit
If only true. Two decent centre backs and we walk the Euro's.
Yep, the centre backs do look to be the weak link. If only Ledley King had not been forced to retire.
He was a superb player but would sadly be like Terry and Ferdinand, past his best. As a Chelsea fan I regard Cahill as a real weak link, not sure if Stones is ready, Jagielka is better than Cahill.
Does anybody seriously believe that if we left the EU, the government wouldn't have an immigration system whereby doctors and nurses couldn't come to the UK? Oh wait, we already have that for the rest of the world, hence why we have loads of non-EU staff already.
'The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union'
There are loads of good arguments for and against being in the EU, the terrorists will all come and gets us otherwise and we won't be able to get any doctors are not two of them.
Hillary's national support is a mile wide and an inch deep. No one wants to wait for hours to vote for her. She'll need those superdelegates to get over the line.
'The National Health Service will face budget cuts, falling standards and an exodus of overseas doctors and nurses if the UK leaves the European Union'
It's just moronic.
I could never vote for one of these scaremongering idiots as my constituency MP, the way they have insulted people's intelligence is beyond contempt.
Rooney's not getting back in this team whilst Vardy and Kane are fit
If only true. Two decent centre backs and we walk the Euro's.
Yep, the centre backs do look to be the weak link. If only Ledley King had not been forced to retire.
He was a superb player but would sadly be like Terry and Ferdinand, past his best. As a Chelsea fan I regard Cahill as a real weak link, not sure if Stones is ready, Jagielka is better than Cahill.
Probably true. Stones is still a bit raw, but then so are a few of the rest. What was great about tonight is that they played with confidence and without fear. They pressed hard and they moved the ball with real skill. Just like a proper team, in fact. It's so rare you can say that about an England side.
I've been amazed at how the Belgians have seemed very acquiescent in the face of these horrific events, and watching CNN, it's been "we must not divide our society", and, yet, I get the feeling that if these bombs had come from the white "right-wing", the reaction would have been much angrier ..... with a great wish to divide society ... also, here on PB, there'd have been no mention of the number of deaths from road accidents ...
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In at 6 and now out at 4.6
Or the College kids planning a party saying.."Red cups, I think they we will do without this time."
Forward planning for the morning thread.
I think they are all West Coast/off the West Coast primaries, so they'll be out later than usual?
Hawaii 70
Washington 67
That's my back of the fag packet as to what Sanders needs.
I just intuitively know that demonising Islam is not going to help anything, other than provide a short term vent for some frustrations.
My name here is after my cat, Tyson, who was a real fighter. He lost a half an ear, half a tail, had numerous trips to the vets for all kinds of fighting injuries, and terrorised Oxford Central North as far as I could see. I think he provided a major source of income for the local vets, both for his injuries and what he gave out. He finally came to a sad end at the hands of a bicycle.
Points taken spud.
Agnosticism to an extent, in that I would imagine that something along the lines of a creator/arbiter situation could exist, but complete atheism as to the world's religions (so far as I know them).
My best guess is that we exist by accident, and have no importance whatsoever. Others disagree in their best guesses. If I'm wrong and our existence isn't accidental, or perhaps even that we have some importance - even then I think it's wildly unlikely that anything like an existing religion is right.
This is just the way I see things. I'm reporting rather than preaching.
I can think of nothing more interesting than the reports of others as to how they find the world, and nothing more dull than any preaching that I, or anyone else, might do as to the primacy of those views.
Anyway, on that bit of a high note, I am going to catch up with the footie.
On a less disputatious note, the results have started to come in, and Sanders is ahead 3-1 in Washington with 7% counted.
http://www.decisiondeskhq.com/march-26th-dem/
I do admire though your constant upbeat view of politics; you've always been a glass half full kind of fella, and you view politics as a positive and progressive way of dealing with the challenges ahead and finding solutions rather than the naysayers, yabooers and nihilists.
FWIW on Euro- I am back in the firmly in the yes camp. I would just find it utterly depressing beyond any kind of logic if we were to leave, now, of all times, when we need to pull together to deal with what we need to deal with.
35 years of the global economy in one video https://t.co/CIsYfrI9zc #economics https://t.co/TlTLymggzU
"England’s 2016 local elections: an indicator of the national political picture?"
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/government/2016/03/23/englands-2016-local-elections-an-indicator-of-the-national-political-picture/
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
Just saying.
The "how to eat a bacon sandwich" training?
Rooney's not getting back in this team whilst Vardy and Kane are fit
I went to a quite notable and successful Catholic School, founded (and still run, in my time) by Irish Christian Brothers.
The formal Catholic doctrinal aspect of the education was practically zero. A teacher would mumble an anodyne prayer for about 30 seconds at the start of the day. There was a crucifix on the wall of every classroom and a handful of typically Catholic statues dotted around the school. And that was about it...
We had RE lessons, but they were mostly about comparative religion, general moral philosophy and social responsibility. Sometimes they involved quite heated discussion of Catholic doctrine like The Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, etc., which was never discouraged.
Be POSITIVE!
Believe in ENGLAND*!
Be LEAVE!
(* Dear Scots/Welsh/NI PBers - just for the purposes of tonight's football, natch)
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/713846147723444225
Wow,what a performance and what a come back.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/655219/Donald-Trump-EU-Brexit-blessing-crazy-migration
It all bodes well for the yes campaign. The feel good factor. Come on Ingerlund. Hodgson, a solid lefty, will do the business.
The Tottenham press much in evidence.
We could just have a proper team here.
3:36PM
Germany vs England Betting Update
It seems I wasn't alone in suggesting here last night that the bookies were being a little generous in offering 5/1 against England winning tonight's friendly international against Germany, their time-honoured enemy. These odds have in the main been trimmed by a not insubstantial 20% to 4/1. As a consequence, the better value in now possibly to be found by backing SkyBet's 13/2 against England winning by the single goal - it seems most unlikely that they will win by two or more goals ..... miracles take a little longer.
Bow before me, I say bow before me!
Titter ..
And Independence Day 2 hits the cinemas on June 24th
But, astonishingly, the money behind these payments – described by some as ‘rewards for murder’ – flows from British and European taxpayers.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510827/Revealed-UK-aid-funds-TERRORISTS-budget-cuts-12bn-taxes-splurged-foreign-hand-outs-militants-killers-Palestinian-palaces-jobs-don-t-exist.html
A sort of pound shop CIA Ted Cruz
In other news, just had a text from a Syrian Muslim friend wishing me a Happy Easter.
https://twitter.com/SpursStatMan/status/713499953012850688
One of the men, reportedly known as Ilyass Boughalab, is believed to have been killed in Syria, while the second served a short prison sentence in Belgium for terror-related offences in 2014.
With an extensive understanding of nuclear facilities, the convict's short jail sentence has raised further questioned of the Belgian security services as well as fears he may have passed on important knowledge about the site's to the terrorist group.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510384/Belgian-nuclear-plant-guard-murdered-security-pass-stolen-two-days-Brussels-attacks.html
In a controversial intervention in the Brexit debate, Hunt warns in an Observer article that leaving will create risks to levels of service and investment and could trigger a loss of key staff that will leave gaps on the NHS frontline.
His decision to link the future of the NHS to arguments over EU membership was labelled by pro-Brexit campaigners as scaremongering.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/26/nhs-under-threat-from-brexit
Belgian prosecutors said that Abderaman A. was shot in the leg at the tram stop in Schaerbeek because he was carrying a rucksack police believed contained a bomb.
However, it has also been revealed in Belgian media that the suspect, they have named as Abderaman Ameroud, was jailed for seven years in France in 2005 for providing logistical support for the killing of Afghan resistance leader Ahmed Shah Masood.
Ameroud, who is of French Algerian descent, lived in Afghanistan and was convicted of helping the Taliban to assassinate the commander.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510599/Terror-suspect-shot-held-Brussels-police-jailed-seven-years-helping-Taliban-assassinate-Afghan-leader-two-days-9-11.html
He is very glad to be away from Syria, and glad to be free.
Perhaps Hunt should incentivise retention of UK staff by cutting their pay, worsening their conditions and reducing educational opportunities...
Guess the government just haven't heard that Project Fear is backfiring....
Europe's cities scaled by size of the foreign born population. London in a class of its own.
BOAML map https://t.co/P1SZhvASir
It's just moronic.