The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
That would mean the conversation did happen and those are the views of the Queen.
Not quite, the conversation was in 2011 and about the Eurozone.
At no point did the Queen say she was a Brexiter.
As the other spin this week is, she favours Remain as Brexit might herald the break up of her country.
Also allegedly the conversation said she is a Eurosceptic, not a Brexiter. As was pointed out Brexit wasn't remotely on the table at the time of the conversation. Though the Outers are happily pushing the line that anyone intending to vote Remain is a EUphile, the truth is that many people voting for Remain are indeed Eurosceptics who reluctantly support being in EU on the grounds that it has advantages that outweigh the negatives that they dislike about the whole thing.
and that no one has managed to explain exactly what a post Brexit UK would look like
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
That would mean the conversation did happen and those are the views of the Queen.
Not quite, the conversation was in 2011 and about the Eurozone.
At no point did the Queen say she was a Brexiter.
As the other spin this week is, she favours Remain as Brexit might herald the break up of her country.
I'd suggest that sacking Gove would be a courageous decision.
He'd resign. He's a very principled man, who if the allegations are true, made a rare lapse in judgement.
So if he doesn't resign that means we can assume that he is innocent?
Is it not possible that he is the indirect source? Ie. he didn't talk to the Sun but somebody he spoke to in casual conversation did. Maybe even his wife?
A POWERFUL new body to run the BBC will be dominated by government appointees, under plans being considered by ministers.
John Whittingdale, the culture secretary, has revealed that only two or three members of the 13-strong “unitary board” will be BBC executives when it replaces the discredited BBC Trust next year. The rest will be outsiders, appointed by the government.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Given how hysterical both sides have been, but in the case of my own dear Leavers particularly so when it comes to the, gasp, adversarial reality of an adversarial campaign, prepare for an explosion of noise should Gove be sacked, or is 'forced' to resign or anything that could be construed as such. I hope he does not go if only to spare a lot of annoyance over the aftermath.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
That would mean the conversation did happen and those are the views of the Queen.
Not quite, the conversation was in 2011 and about the Eurozone.
At no point did the Queen say she was a Brexiter.
As the other spin this week is, she favours Remain as Brexit might herald the break up of her country.
Also allegedly the conversation said she is a Eurosceptic, not a Brexiter. As was pointed out Brexit wasn't remotely on the table at the time of the conversation. Though the Outers are happily pushing the line that anyone intending to vote Remain is a EUphile, the truth is that many people voting for Remain are indeed Eurosceptics who reluctantly support being in EU on the grounds that it has advantages that outweigh the negatives that they dislike about the whole thing.
and that no one has managed to explain exactly what a post Brexit UK would look like
While no one knows 'exactly' it's not difficult to sketch an impression.
Nothing much would change straightaway as the existing treaties would remain in force for at least two years. Cameron would be gone and political debate would focus on whether free movement must be curtailed under any new arrangement. This issue would of course be central to the Tory leadership debate. EEA/EFTA would be set against the viability of a Canadian option. Markets would take a fright but would likely rebound within a month; our soon to be ex-EU partners would be shocked and appalled but they would accept reality and get over it. Most important trade would continue unabated.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Given how hysterical both sides have been, but in the case of my own dear Leavers particularly so when it comes to the, gasp, adversarial reality of an adversarial campaign, prepare for an explosion of noise should Gove be sacked, or is 'forced' to resign or anything that could be construed as such. I hope he does not go if only to spare a lot of annoyance over the aftermath.
See, the afternoon thread for tomorrow talks about tipping Gove as next Chancellor.
Knowing my luck, he'll resign one minute after I've published it
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Most interesting bit is that Cameron is terrified of Boris, your glorious leader is a lily livered wreck.
Well, to paraphrase perhaps the greatest of all political operators, people become so powerful the only thing they are afraid of is losing their power. It's not a surprise in that situation they are fearful of threats to their position, and can act irrationally as a result.
anecdote city: I have two sisters. The subject of the referendum came up. My sisters went in opposite ways. They each went in opposite ways to what I expected. Summary: People are unpredictable.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Most interesting bit is that Cameron is terrified of Boris, your glorious leader is a lily livered wreck.
Well, to paraphrase perhaps the greatest of all political operators, people become so powerful the only thing they are afraid of is losing their power. It's not a surprise in that situation they are fearful of threats to their position, and can act irrationally as a result.
All politicians are going to be worried about people like Boris. Politicians who can survive, indeed often thrive, whilst saying and doing things that would end the careers of more conventional politicians are dangerous. It's the same reason everyone in the US is so worried about Trump.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Most interesting bit is that Cameron is terrified of Boris, your glorious leader is a lily livered wreck.
Well, to paraphrase perhaps the greatest of all political operators, people become so powerful the only thing they are afraid of is losing their power. It's not a surprise in that situation they are fearful of threats to their position, and can act irrationally as a result.
All politicians are going to be worried about people like Boris. Politicians who can survive, indeed often thrive, whilst saying and doing things that would end the careers of more conventional politicians are dangerous. It's the same reason everyone in the US is so worried about Trump.
Not everyone is worried about Trump in the US or he wouldn't be where he is today.
Makes you wonder if Cameron's 'bunch of terrorist sympathisers' line was part of a master strategy
Many former Labour voters who switched to the Conservatives at the last election in key electoral battlegrounds are showing no regret and little sign of returning to the fold, according to two prominent members of Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet.
Gloria De Piero and Jonathan Ashworth, writing in the Observer, raise the alarm about the state of voter opinion after conducting a tour across parts of England where Labour has to recover if it is ever to return to power.
De Piero and Ashworth chose areas of England, outside the north, where the party was strong in the 1990s and remained so during 13 years of Labour government but has since fallen back, as the Tories have recovered and Ukip has emerged as a real force.
Over several weeks they conducted hundreds of conversations with voters and non-voters, trying to gauge why so many people had deserted Labour, how they viewed the party now, and what the party needs to do to win them back.
Despite Corbyn’s optimism that he can inspire a national movement behind his leftwing programme, the MPs found little evidence that ex-loyalists were thinking of returning to Labour.
Many – including some who voted Labour last year – were concerned about Corbyn’s opposition to renewing the Trident nuclear missile programme, and said they wanted a Labour party that puts strong national defence at the heart of its programme. “Our biggest challenge as a party remains convincing those who left us to consider us again,” they write. “We met many former Labour voters who had switched to David Cameron’s Conservatives, who – while not enthusiastic about the Tories – showed no sign of regret that they’d helped to elect a Conservative government.”
De Piero and Ashworth say they were “struck by the number of times concerns over defence were raised with us by Labour voters”.
The most interesting bit from the Mail on Sunday story is the Gove on the brink bit.
A real shame such a promising Cabinet career could come to an end for breaking Privy Council rules.
Most interesting bit is that Cameron is terrified of Boris, your glorious leader is a lily livered wreck.
Well, to paraphrase perhaps the greatest of all political operators, people become so powerful the only thing they are afraid of is losing their power. It's not a surprise in that situation they are fearful of threats to their position, and can act irrationally as a result.
All politicians are going to be worried about people like Boris. Politicians who can survive, indeed often thrive, whilst saying and doing things that would end the careers of more conventional politicians are dangerous. It's the same reason everyone in the US is so worried about Trump.
Oh indeed, and whatever the PM's thoughts on Gove, or what he has chosen or will choose to do about Boris and whether those acts are wise, it's not really paranoia, as the man is after his job after all.
Jeremy Corbyn has held at least 15 meetings – including four since he became Labour leader – with a leading figure from Finsbury Park mosque who blames Britain for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), has called for the destruction of Israel and appeared to praise the recent wave of terrorist stabbings in that country.
Mr Corbyn has spoken of his “friendship” with the “legendary” Mohammed Kozbar, chairman of the mosque and vice-president of the Muslim Association of Britain, which is closely linked to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood.
Makes you wonder if Cameron's 'bunch of terrorist sympathisers' line was part of a master strategy
Of course it was! The fact is that, sadly, there is no positive reason for the vast majority of people to support David Cameron, except that he is better than Jeremy Corbyn
Jeremy Corbyn has held at least 15 meetings – including four since he became Labour leader – with a leading figure from Finsbury Park mosque who blames Britain for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), has called for the destruction of Israel and appeared to praise the recent wave of terrorist stabbings in that country.
Mr Corbyn has spoken of his “friendship” with the “legendary” Mohammed Kozbar, chairman of the mosque and vice-president of the Muslim Association of Britain, which is closely linked to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood.
Makes you wonder if Cameron's 'bunch of terrorist sympathisers' line was part of a master strategy
Of course it was! The fact is that, sadly, there is no positive reason for the vast majority of people to support David Cameron, except that he is better than Jeremy Corbyn
At least we know Jeremy Corbyn hates this country.
Jeremy Corbyn has held at least 15 meetings – including four since he became Labour leader – with a leading figure from Finsbury Park mosque who blames Britain for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), has called for the destruction of Israel and appeared to praise the recent wave of terrorist stabbings in that country.
Mr Corbyn has spoken of his “friendship” with the “legendary” Mohammed Kozbar, chairman of the mosque and vice-president of the Muslim Association of Britain, which is closely linked to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood.
Not exactly a secret he spends his weekends hanging out there....remember this is the same Finsbury Park Mosque that despite claiming it has cleaned up its act, government report in January said there are still very serious issues with the place.
Makes you wonder if Cameron's 'bunch of terrorist sympathisers' line was part of a master strategy
Of course it was! The fact is that, sadly, there is no positive reason for the vast majority of people to support David Cameron, except that he is better than Jeremy Corbyn
At least we know Jeremy Corbyn hates this country.
I don't know about that. He certainly loathes the 'conspirators' running it - some of whom he may believe are foreign.
The bombshell disclosures come in a new book by former Lib Dem Cabinet Minister David Laws – written with the aid of ex-Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.
Terrorist sympathizers and Trots at the head of the Labour Party...winning here...
Can you imagine if Cameron in opposition had been found to regularly meet with the BNP or Osborne said he only became a Tory because actually he was a Nazi and it was a good way to bring that back....
The Labour Party need to get rid of these people from positions of power ASAP.
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Hmm. Don't altogether see that working.
Depends on what he says and in particular implies, as he already has done, that US will only do trade deals with the EU. He will not influence those already committed to leave but he could have an impact on many undecided voters
LMAO, as much as McDonell is a prat, why is it bad to say that the party is a vehicle for specific aims, rather than a religion where just supporting the party itself is the main aim?
If anything, people who claim a political party is like a football team who you just mindlessly support no matter what, are the real weirdos....Joe Public certainly doesn't feel that way towards parties anyway.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I have to say I'm still very surprised by the high numbers for Boris, particularly his tie with Cameron on being best for the country - it shows that sometimes the conventional wisdom really is right and the clever people are overthinking politics; Boris can withstand things other politicians could not
Terrorist sympathizers and Trots at the head of the Labour Party...winning here...
Can you imagine if Cameron in opposition had been found to regularly meet with the BNP or Osborne said he only became a Tory because actually he was a Nazi and it was a good way to bring that back....
The Labour Party need to get rid of these people from positions of power ASAP.
Or you end up with No opposition to things like this.
Similarly, when Clegg said the renegotiation would backfire if he failed to win back key powers, a ‘sheepish’ Cameron said: ‘I know, that’s why I’m not spelling out what I am going to negotiate on.’
Re this cleric, pause the Israel part which is anti-Semitic- Britain is a little to blame for the rise of ISIS, isn't it? The vacuum in Iraq didn't just happen because Saddam Hussein fell into a pit one day, of his own free will and full volition; there was a cross-party consensus among Britons to invade.
‘Let me be blunt,’ I was told by one senior civil servant. ‘The Home Secretary doesn’t want a fully functioning system of entry and exit checks. She thinks it would only highlight the ineffectiveness of the Border Agency and the Home Office and their inability to identify and then eject over-stayers. Theresa May is saying that entry and exit checks would be expensive and embarrassing and would distract attention from tackling serious criminals and terrorism.’ This seemed to explain why month after month there was no real action in getting the system of entry and exit checks in place.
Well, thats May's chances of being next Tory leader well and truly over.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
It's perfectly credible! People on this comment section were praising the Conservative welfare minister to high heaven when he mooted a wage of two pounds an hour for "mentally-damaged invididuals"! It almost happened word-for-word, except that disabled people were mentioned instead of OAPs Maybe the real story is that Lord Freud was sent up to float a balloon, which would have been political poison were pensioners to be mentioned
LMAO, as much as McDonell is a prat, why is it bad to say that the party is a vehicle for specific aims, rather than a religion where just supporting the party itself is the main aim?
If anything, people who claim a political party is like a football team who you just mindlessly support no matter what, are the real weirdos....Joe Public certainly doesn't feel that way towards parties anyway.
I actually agree. One of the problems I have with party politics is the rhetoric about what a party is for or is doing may be wildly divorced from reality, so you get passionate but in essence phoney declarations about the merits of one over the other based on the myth of the party itself rather than what the party does in its current form, it becomes a tribal badge about how people think they should vote based on what may be inaccurate presumptions of a party.
Of course despite rebellions McDonnell and co have clearly been willing to put up with a party that on key issues they despised, so they are very patient or do have some base loyalty to the general brand.
Incidentally, I am much more open to Corbyn being sacked than most Labour members I know, but frankly I suspect that "the moderates" are still hopelessly far away from offering anything close to inpsiring enough to win over the membership.
I'm looking at the @ProgressOnline twitter feed now (apparently they had some conference of some sort today), and it's all just the same old collection of truisms and platitudes that we got in last year's leadership election, with barely a concrete idea to be seen. The lowlight being that dimwit Liz Kendall offering another of her earth-shattering insights, that Labour should "support social mobility".
‘Let me be blunt,’ I was told by one senior civil servant. ‘The Home Secretary doesn’t want a fully functioning system of entry and exit checks. She thinks it would only highlight the ineffectiveness of the Border Agency and the Home Office and their inability to identify and then eject over-stayers. Theresa May is saying that entry and exit checks would be expensive and embarrassing and would distract attention from tackling serious criminals and terrorism.’ This seemed to explain why month after month there was no real action in getting the system of entry and exit checks in place.
Well, thats May's chances of being next Tory leader well and truly over.
May never stood a chance. She is a foul mouthed bully and certainly failing in one of her more important jobs.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Do you believe the story to be true? It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Do you believe the story to be true? It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
I do, my source is unimpeachable.
Remember Cameron was prepared to do a lot accommodate the Lib Dems, to ensure the coalition went the full five years
Same source said, Cameron fecked up over Lansley, as Cameron's style is to let his ministers get on with it, when he was shown polling how badly the Tories were perceived on the NHS, he demoted Lansley and got Hunt to fix it.
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One of my main reasons for voting OUT (in nine years I've never been on the usual suspects when it comes to "banging on" about Europe) is that it means we can for once tell those bloody interfering Americans and especially that bloody interfering Obama to "£$% (*&
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Do you believe the story to be true? It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
I do, my source is unimpeachable.
Remember Cameron was prepared to do a lot accommodate the Lib Dems, to ensure the coalition went the full five years
Same source said, Cameron fecked up over Lansley, as Cameron's style is to let his ministers get on with it, when he was shown polling how badly the Tories were perceived on the NHS, he demoted Lansley and got Hunt to fix it.
The ex-LibDem MPs really should be hanging their heads in shame that even Tory MPs in this second term (such as the Heidi Allens) are providing more resistance to Tory policies than the Lib Dems did in the last term.
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Do you believe the story to be true? It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
I do, my source is unimpeachable.
Remember Cameron was prepared to do a lot accommodate the Lib Dems, to ensure the coalition went the full five years
Same source said, Cameron fecked up over Lansley, as Cameron's style is to let his ministers get on with it, when he was shown polling how badly the Tories were perceived on the NHS, he demoted Lansley and got Hunt to fix it.
A lot. Of course, that is the perspective of one party and it is as valid as any, though the other party would probably say they were prepared to do a lot, too Tuition fees, though? The only absolutely unimpeachable source for that is the Prime Minister, oh and Nick Clegg lol.
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One of my main reasons for voting OUT (in nine years I've never been on the usual suspects when it comes to "banging on" about Europe) is that it means we can for once tell those bloody interfering Americans and especially that bloody interfering Obama to "£$% (*&
Of all the claims in the Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.
The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
I was told by someone I trust, the biggest mistake Clegg made was that the Lib Dems didn't tell Cameron they couldn't support the student fees increase.
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
It was proposed by a Lib Dem Secretary of State. Admittedly the cuts to the Universities budget forced their hands somewhat.
I know, but the money, in the grand scheme of government spending, wasn't that much
Do you believe the story to be true? It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
I do, my source is unimpeachable.
Remember Cameron was prepared to do a lot accommodate the Lib Dems, to ensure the coalition went the full five years
Same source said, Cameron fecked up over Lansley, as Cameron's style is to let his ministers get on with it, when he was shown polling how badly the Tories were perceived on the NHS, he demoted Lansley and got Hunt to fix it.
The ex-LibDem MPs really should be hanging their heads in shame that even Tory MPs in this second term (such as the Heidi Allens) are providing more resistance to Tory policies than the Lib Dems did in the last term.
I think the final insult/irony was the Tories nicking the Lib Dem policy on raising the personal allowance and taking credit for it.
There was polling that showed that policy was extremely popular with voters
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One of my main reasons for voting OUT (in nine years I've never been on the usual suspects when it comes to "banging on" about Europe) is that it means we can for once tell those bloody interfering Americans and especially that bloody interfering Obama to "£$% (*&
You can imagine where they would tell us to go if we told THEM to join the EU
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One of my main reasons for voting OUT (in nine years I've never been on the usual suspects when it comes to "banging on" about Europe) is that it means we can for once tell those bloody interfering Americans and especially that bloody interfering Obama to "£$% (*&
He may say the same to us
Good! At least if we go our separate ways this embarrassing charade that's called a "special relationship" will end.
‘Let me be blunt,’ I was told by one senior civil servant. ‘The Home Secretary doesn’t want a fully functioning system of entry and exit checks. She thinks it would only highlight the ineffectiveness of the Border Agency and the Home Office and their inability to identify and then eject over-stayers. Theresa May is saying that entry and exit checks would be expensive and embarrassing and would distract attention from tackling serious criminals and terrorism.’ This seemed to explain why month after month there was no real action in getting the system of entry and exit checks in place.
Well, thats May's chances of being next Tory leader well and truly over.
May never stood a chance. She is a foul mouthed bully and certainly failing in one of her more important jobs.
@suttonnick: Independent on Sunday: 'Vote Stay': Obama flies in to back the EU #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #euref https://t.co/tSDCX2Ceg8
One of my main reasons for voting OUT (in nine years I've never been on the usual suspects when it comes to "banging on" about Europe) is that it means we can for once tell those bloody interfering Americans and especially that bloody interfering Obama to "£$% (*&
He may say the same to us
Good! At least if we go our separate ways this embarrassing charade that's called a "special relationship" will end.
Septics drive on the right, just like the Europeans
Re this cleric, pause the Israel part which is anti-Semitic- Britain is a little to blame for the rise of ISIS, isn't it? The vacuum in Iraq didn't just happen because Saddam Hussein fell into a pit one day, of his own free will and full volition; there was a cross-party consensus among Britons to invade.
ISIS was formed by Baathist/Sunni prisoners in Iraq, held by Americans but released after they had formed secret groups while in prison.
Interesting that Trump has done badly in Wyoming. Just 4.5%.
If you looked at the rules and the total number of votes in Wyoming, you wouldn't be surprised. I was surprised that Rubio didn't win there, still Rubio can win D.C.
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A POWERFUL new body to run the BBC will be dominated by government appointees, under plans being considered by ministers.
John Whittingdale, the culture secretary, has revealed that only two or three members of the 13-strong “unitary board” will be BBC executives when it replaces the discredited BBC Trust next year. The rest will be outsiders, appointed by the government.
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Arts/article1677767.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016_03_12
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'Vote Stay': Obama flies in to back the EU
#tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #euref https://t.co/tSDCX2Ceg8
Tory backbench MPs wield significant power over their leader; they wield almost total power over a lame duck leadership...
Nothing much would change straightaway as the existing treaties would remain in force for at least two years. Cameron would be gone and political debate would focus on whether free movement must be curtailed under any new arrangement. This issue would of course be central to the Tory leadership debate. EEA/EFTA would be set against the viability of a Canadian option. Markets would take a fright but would likely rebound within a month; our soon to be ex-EU partners would be shocked and appalled but they would accept reality and get over it. Most important trade would continue unabated.
Knowing my luck, he'll resign one minute after I've published it
"David Laws' memoirs are as accurate and honest as his expenses claims"
Captain Blackadder: So your father's German, you're half German, and you married a German!
Many former Labour voters who switched to the Conservatives at the last election in key electoral battlegrounds are showing no regret and little sign of returning to the fold, according to two prominent members of Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet.
Gloria De Piero and Jonathan Ashworth, writing in the Observer, raise the alarm about the state of voter opinion after conducting a tour across parts of England where Labour has to recover if it is ever to return to power.
De Piero and Ashworth chose areas of England, outside the north, where the party was strong in the 1990s and remained so during 13 years of Labour government but has since fallen back, as the Tories have recovered and Ukip has emerged as a real force.
Over several weeks they conducted hundreds of conversations with voters and non-voters, trying to gauge why so many people had deserted Labour, how they viewed the party now, and what the party needs to do to win them back.
Despite Corbyn’s optimism that he can inspire a national movement behind his leftwing programme, the MPs found little evidence that ex-loyalists were thinking of returning to Labour.
Many – including some who voted Labour last year – were concerned about Corbyn’s opposition to renewing the Trident nuclear missile programme, and said they wanted a Labour party that puts strong national defence at the heart of its programme. “Our biggest challenge as a party remains convincing those who left us to consider us again,” they write. “We met many former Labour voters who had switched to David Cameron’s Conservatives, who – while not enthusiastic about the Tories – showed no sign of regret that they’d helped to elect a Conservative government.”
De Piero and Ashworth say they were “struck by the number of times concerns over defence were raised with us by Labour voters”.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/12/labour-not-winning-back-swing-voters
(* only kidding!)
https://twitter.com/Mike_Fabricant/status/708782864163332096
Mr Corbyn has spoken of his “friendship” with the “legendary” Mohammed Kozbar, chairman of the mosque and vice-president of the Muslim Association of Britain, which is closely linked to the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12192292/Jeremy-Corbyn-and-the-mosque-leader-who-blames-the-UK-for-Isil.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The fact is that, sadly, there is no positive reason for the vast majority of people to support David Cameron, except that he is better than Jeremy Corbyn
The Labour Party need to get rid of these people from positions of power ASAP.
If anything, people who claim a political party is like a football team who you just mindlessly support no matter what, are the real weirdos....Joe Public certainly doesn't feel that way towards parties anyway.
Clegg, sorry I mean Laws book, this one has to be the least believable.The Cabinet discussed a madcap scheme to replace Romanian and Bulgarian fruit pickers with British OAPs paid sub-minimum wage rates because they would be slow.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3488644/Now-disability-benefits-bill-slashed-1-2billion-Affected-people-include-640-000-need-help-getting-dressed.html
Britain is a little to blame for the rise of ISIS, isn't it?
The vacuum in Iraq didn't just happen because Saddam Hussein fell into a pit one day, of his own free will and full volition; there was a cross-party consensus among Britons to invade.
Well, thats May's chances of being next Tory leader well and truly over.
The ineffectual poseur is no friend of this country, so he can s*d off
About two years later, Cameron and Clegg discussed it, and Cameron told Clegg, he would have let the Lib Dems rebel and let the government lose the student fees vote, if Clegg had told him it had meant that much to the Lib Dems, and in return Cameron wouldn't have asked for anything in return.
I wonder if that'll be in the book.
People on this comment section were praising the Conservative welfare minister to high heaven when he mooted a wage of two pounds an hour for "mentally-damaged invididuals"!
It almost happened word-for-word, except that disabled people were mentioned instead of OAPs
Maybe the real story is that Lord Freud was sent up to float a balloon, which would have been political poison were pensioners to be mentioned
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/12/terror-suspect-babar-ahmad-scotland-yard-met
He is getting a BBC interview on Monday, which I am sure will be just as hard hitting...
https://twitter.com/Momfullofhope/status/708710324350947329
Of course despite rebellions McDonnell and co have clearly been willing to put up with a party that on key issues they despised, so they are very patient or do have some base loyalty to the general brand.
Good night
I'm looking at the @ProgressOnline twitter feed now (apparently they had some conference of some sort today), and it's all just the same old collection of truisms and platitudes that we got in last year's leadership election, with barely a concrete idea to be seen. The lowlight being that dimwit Liz Kendall offering another of her earth-shattering insights, that Labour should "support social mobility".
Been wanting to do that for years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
It's kind of cheap talk to concede everything in negotiations two years after you win them, right?
Remember Cameron was prepared to do a lot accommodate the Lib Dems, to ensure the coalition went the full five years
Same source said, Cameron fecked up over Lansley, as Cameron's style is to let his ministers get on with it, when he was shown polling how badly the Tories were perceived on the NHS, he demoted Lansley and got Hunt to fix it.
Tuition fees, though?
The only absolutely unimpeachable source for that is the Prime Minister, oh and Nick Clegg lol.
There was polling that showed that policy was extremely popular with voters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7D0fMBsNUI
I was surprised that Rubio didn't win there, still Rubio can win D.C.
Good vote efficiency by Trump and Cruz, poor by Marco, ZERO! votes for Kasich.
Marco will be getting his last win in DC in a bit. Puerto Rico and DC, what a haul it will have been for the great white hope of the establishment.
What's the point to protest if you get ignored.