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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Are you guys sure it's over, Rubio has pointed out some spelling errors by Trump and accused him of wetting himself.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Mr. Glenn, why's Rubio abdicating his seat? Not that up on US politics, but it seems a little odd to me.

    He is very unpopular in Florida, he would lose his re-election so he is "retiring" .
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,944
    edited February 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Are you guys sure it's over, Rubio has pointed out some spelling errors by Trump and accused him of wetting himself.

    Rubio can point out the spelling mistake in this too:

    Newt Gingrich Verified account @newtgingrich

    Chris Christie endorsement of Trump is a major breakthrough.this is a huge step for Trump and will impact super tuesday bug time.

  • Mr. Pulpstar, that's why Rubio's losing. A smart man would've accused Trump of typing one-handed ;)

    Mr. Speedy, ah.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Wow:

    John Harwood @JohnJHarwood
    Christie endorsing Trump: Marco Rubio "wholly unprepared to be president"

    Looks like Rubio is now in deep, deep trouble.

    LOL. Did Rubio once steal Christie's girlfriend or something?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663

    Pulpstar said:

    Are you guys sure it's over, Rubio has pointed out some spelling errors by Trump and accused him of wetting himself.

    Rubio can point out the spelling mistake in this too:

    Newt Gingrich Verified account @newtgingrich

    Chris Christie endorsement of Trump is a major breakthrough.this is a huge step for Trump and will impact super tuesday bug time.

    BUG time LOOOOOOOOL
  • LOL at this Marco Rubio/Chris Christie mess. I can't say I feel too sorry for Rubio.

    And what is happening to the Labour party these days. My dad is actually a big fan of the Washington Redskins. He'd love to see them play here.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    That is very unlikely, right now I have Trump 221 Hillary 228 with Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa as too close too call (89 EV), so I have Trump at a maximum of 310 and Hillary at a minimum of 228.
  • Ms. Apocalypse, they elected a clown, and now the party's a circus :(

    The country needs a viable alternative. Right now Cameron and Osborne can do almost whatever they like. That's not good for democracy.
  • Looks like it's all over for Rubio.
  • @DavidL - vanilla message for you
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2016
    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3). You could swap Oregon for Connecticut.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    Wow:

    John Harwood @JohnJHarwood
    Christie endorsing Trump: Marco Rubio "wholly unprepared to be president"

    Looks like Rubio is now in deep, deep trouble.

    LOL. Did Rubio once steal Christie's girlfriend or something?
    Worse, he stole his votes.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    That is very unlikely, right now I have Trump 221 Hillary 228 with Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa as too close too call (89 EV), so I have Trump at a maximum of 310 and Hillary at a minimum of 228.
    My prediction for Trump v Clinton currently is Trump gaining Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Iowa and New Hampshire.

    Clinton just gets the overall win by clinging onto Virginia and Florida thanks to ethnic minority support.

    http://www.270towin.com/maps/M2gzo
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3).
    Trump wont win Wisconsin, republicans are not very popular there after Scott Walker messed up things with its economy and social issues.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    Has "Cromwell" started a four year sabbattcal from PB yet? .... :smile:
  • Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    JackW said:

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    Has "Cromwell" started a four year sabbattcal from PB yet? .... :smile:
    He's probably joining IOS in the great ground game in the sky.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    That is very unlikely, right now I have Trump 221 Hillary 228 with Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa as too close too call (89 EV), so I have Trump at a maximum of 310 and Hillary at a minimum of 228.
    I think the Democrats losing Michigan is very unlikely.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Am I hallucinating https://t.co/8lQ8d2yZGB
  • Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    I'm guessing there are still plenty of punters who can't believe that Trump won't self-implode or be found with tax issues or some such.
  • Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    The evidence for Trump is overwhelming.

    I've just backed him some more.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JackW said:

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    Has "Cromwell" started a four year sabbattcal from PB yet? .... :smile:
    Look the guy did a bad call based on his own surroundings, anyone not paying attention would have done the same (including all those who put money on Bush and Christie in the past).

    With that out of the way, I see a Rubio ad on Fox saying "send the establishment a message, vote Rubio".
    The Rubio campaign is as inept as Jeb's and "Cromwell' should have at least seen that.
  • Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?
  • Ms. Apocalypse, they elected a clown, and now the party's a circus :(

    The country needs a viable alternative. Right now Cameron and Osborne can do almost whatever they like. That's not good for democracy.

    Corbyn has surely got to be the worst leader of the opposition, in British political history. He's the very definition of irrelevant. But to me, the most worrying thing about Labour isn't Jeremy Corbyn. It's the delusion of many within the Labour party base. If they want to really make a difference in people's lives they have to elect an electable candidate. But they seem to love Corbyn, and look being in opposition. It was a new low to see that Tories feel that they have Michael Gove has their leader and still win 2020.
  • Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    That is very unlikely, right now I have Trump 221 Hillary 228 with Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa as too close too call (89 EV), so I have Trump at a maximum of 310 and Hillary at a minimum of 228.
    I think the Democrats losing Michigan is very unlikely.
    I'm basing it on the polls, that say it's too close to call:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Michigan

    And the fact that Michigan has a republican governor.
    Trump's protectionist message will go well with factory workers there.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    West Wing, Jack Bauer saves America in almost every show in 24.

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3).
    Trump wont win Wisconsin, republicans are not very popular there after Scott Walker messed up things with its economy and social issues.
    Is that why Scott walker was reelected as governor?

    Actually I think that the republicans chases in Wisconsin are quite good, not guaranteed but worth watching. the state has consistently voted Dem for president for some time, but only by relatively small margins. this will be the first election where the local Labour unions, have been heavily weekend after Act 10 and the right to work lore. the locale Unions are normally focused on locale elections. But there efforts to run 'get out the vote' opperations
  • Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    That is very unlikely, right now I have Trump 221 Hillary 228 with Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Iowa as too close too call (89 EV), so I have Trump at a maximum of 310 and Hillary at a minimum of 228.
    I think the Democrats losing Michigan is very unlikely.
    I'm basing it on the polls, that say it's too close to call:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Michigan

    And the fact that Michigan has a republican governor.
    Trump's protectionist message will go well with factory workers there.
    Republicam governor was voted in on an offyear election and Republican party reputation is poor right now after they accidentally lead poisoned an entire towns water supply and covered it up.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    I started rewatching all of The West Wing about 10 days ago. I am currently halfway through season 6... it has been a lot of binge watching

    But it is still great, great television
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    Have confidence.

    Unless you think a massive black swan event the size of Trump's ego is going to happen then the Trumpster has the GOP nomination in the bag.

    It's Jezza Can't be Labour Leader syndrome writ large again, just over the pond this time.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048
    Christie on board really helps Trump, but more importantly it actually makes Trump electable. I don't want to see a President Trump, but I'm certainly now backing him in terms of my bets.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,663
    Trump has taken Lynton's strategy up to a whole new level.

    It's not a dead cat, it's a 400 lb gorilla he's just chucked onto the table.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited February 2016
    Indigo said:

    MP_SE said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Also posted without comment -

    "The so-called Five Presidents' Report on 'Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union', authored by the commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, "in close cooperation" with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the European Stability Mechanism (and of the informal Eurogroup of eurozone finance ministers), Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, and Martin Schultz, president of the European Parliament, says the strengthening of the supervisory framework necessitated by a more integrated capital markets across the EU "should lead ultimately to a single European Capital markets supervisor"."

    This is from today's date.

    To be transparent, the current EU Commission September 2015 Action Plan did not propose a single supervisor for a future Capital Markets Union.



    Dan Hodges' has thoroughly embarrassed himself today. He fails to see the importance of a report published by Jean-Claude Juncker, Donald Tusk, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, Mario Draghi and Martin Schulz outlining proposals that could severely impact the UK.
    And there was another secret plan. It was contained in something called the “Five Presidents' Report”. These mysterious Five Presidents were going to take over everything and enforce social, budgetary and political union. Worse, they were going to stop us recycling teabags, and prevent children under eight from blowing up balloons. So we had to get out! We had to get out now!!!!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12174716/Those-saying-we-should-leave-Europe-are-infected-with-madness.html
    Hodges is another no-borders loon, of course he loves the EU.

    The one area of politics that Hodges gets badly wrong is forecasting UKIP related matters. He is usually very good on Labour politics.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3).
    Trump wont win Wisconsin, republicans are not very popular there after Scott Walker messed up things with its economy and social issues.

    Is that why Scott walker was reelected as governor?

    Actually I think that the republicans chases in Wisconsin are quite good, not guaranteed but worth watching. the state has consistently voted Dem for president for some time, but only by relatively small margins. this will be the first election where the local Labour unions, have been heavily weekend after Act 10 and the right to work lore. the locale Unions are normally focused on locale elections. But there efforts to run 'get out the vote' operations to help locale candidates, also grim people to the poling booths who are likely to vote Democrat for President as well.

    Same thing in Michigan
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Well quite.
    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump has taken Lynton's strategy up to a whole new level.

    It's not a dead cat, it's a 400 lb gorilla he's just chucked onto the table.

    Christie weighs 400lbs ?? .... er .... yes he probably does.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    It's clever and funny.

    I marathoned it a couple of Christmas ago for the nth time, Josh on the interwebs is hilarious.

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    I started rewatching all of The West Wing about 10 days ago. I am currently halfway through season 6... it has been a lot of binge watching

    But it is still great, great television
  • John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
  • JackW said:

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    Have confidence.

    Unless you think a massive black swan event the size of Trump's ego is going to happen then the Trumpster has the GOP nomination in the bag.

    It's Jezza Can't be Labour Leader syndrome writ large again, just over the pond this time.
    Based on your comments and @Casino_Royale's below, I've taken the plunge and placed a decent-sized bet on the tribble-owner.
  • Project Fear - "lets sacrifice our budget credibility to help REMAIN win"
    I heard on BBC radio this evening a report that Osborne is talking about further austerity in the next budget due to economic dangers etc etc.

    May be it will help REMAIN in the "cling to nurse" theme? But last year the Govt clearly did not want lots of negative anti-govt things in the media in the run up to the referendum vote.... This appears to indicate a sense of panic veering from one approach and then a 180 change to say the opposite.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865


    And what is happening to the Labour party these days.

    Highly experimental politics. If people claim they are sick of the same old shower, this is what you get (and we know plenty of Tories want to go down the same route).

    Personally I think people are uninspired by our bland party automaton leaders and political classes, but it developed because that's what we wanted. Went too far, and has been reacted against, but the principle of that being what people want I think remains.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I suggest you steer clear of the upcoming Quantico, chronicling the worst intake of FBI agents in the universe, including the arrogant, inept, corrupt, traitorous and childish, who inexplicably are still the only ones with any competence, we are expected to believe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865

    Indigo said:

    MP_SE said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Also posted without comment -

    "The so-called Five Presidents' Report on 'Completing Europe's Economic and Monetary Union', authored by the commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, "in close cooperation" with Donald Tusk, the European Council president, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, president of the European Stability Mechanism (and of the informal Eurogroup of eurozone finance ministers), Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, and Martin Schultz, president of the European Parliament, says the strengthening of the supervisory framework necessitated by a more integrated capital markets across the EU "should lead ultimately to a single European Capital markets supervisor"."

    This is from today's date.

    To be transparent, the current EU Commission September 2015 Action Plan did not propose a single supervisor for a future Capital Markets Union.



    Dan Hodges' has thoroughly embarrassed himself today. He fails to see the importance of a report published by Jean-Claude Juncker, Donald Tusk, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, Mario Draghi and Martin Schulz outlining proposals that could severely impact the UK.
    And there was another secret plan. It was contained in something called the “Five Presidents' Report”. These mysterious Five Presidents were going to take over everything and enforce social, budgetary and political union. Worse, they were going to stop us recycling teabags, and prevent children under eight from blowing up balloons. So we had to get out! We had to get out now!!!!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12174716/Those-saying-we-should-leave-Europe-are-infected-with-madness.html
    Hodges is another no-borders loon, of course he loves the EU.
    The one area of politics that Hodges gets badly wrong is forecasting UKIP related matters. He is usually very good on Labour politics.

    Interesting, as I got almost everything wrong in my predictions for 2015, except on UKIP. Perhaps I'm the anti-Hodges.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    May I just caution PBers once again about placing too much reliance on state and national polls at this stage.

    Yes we all love polls and reporting and commenting on them but basing your November betting strategy on them is a mighty risky business especially if you're into the action with the big bucks.

    Yes it's Clinton v Trump for POTUS but securing he nomination is a whole different matter from the real shoot out. Many pundits wait until after Labor Day.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    I imagine that Christie has to be looking very likely as a running mate for Trump.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    So is it right that Osborne tried slowing the pace of austerity only a few months ago, and now it turns out it needs to increase again?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sounds like Warehouse 13 cast, great concept - embarrassing childish acting.
    kle4 said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I suggest you steer clear of the upcoming Quantico, chronicling the worst intake of FBI agents in the universe, including the arrogant, inept, corrupt, traitorous and childish, who inexplicably are still the only ones with any competence, we are expected to believe.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    I imagine that Christie has to be looking very likely as a running mate for Trump.

    That's my guess too. Wouldn't bet that way though. Trump is far too unpredictable.
  • kle4 said:


    And what is happening to the Labour party these days.

    Highly experimental politics. If people claim they are sick of the same old shower, this is what you get (and we know plenty of Tories want to go down the same route).

    Personally I think people are uninspired by our bland party automaton leaders and political classes, but it developed because that's what we wanted. Went too far, and has been reacted against, but the principle of that being what people want I think remains.
    But the Labour party have always been sick of the moderate Labour left. They have always wanted some Corbyn style leftie in there for years, most probably decades. I don't think outside of twitter there is really much appetite for someone like Corbyn as PM. He makes Ed Miliband look electable. Now looking back, I can't believe I wanted Miliband as PM, and I certainly don't want Corbyn as PM. The trouble is, I don't want any Tory (with perhaps May as the exception) as PM either.

    It's interesting that Blair said he doesn't get politics anymore. I think he doesn't understand that the political climate now is totally different from 1997. In 1997, there was still some good will towards politicians (well, Blair anyway) and many people felt hopeful. Now, many no longer have much hope going forward, and hate the politicial class.
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806

    Project Fear - "lets sacrifice our budget credibility to help REMAIN win"
    I heard on BBC radio this evening a report that Osborne is talking about further austerity in the next budget due to economic dangers etc etc.

    May be it will help REMAIN in the "cling to nurse" theme? But last year the Govt clearly did not want lots of negative anti-govt things in the media in the run up to the referendum vote.... This appears to indicate a sense of panic veering from one approach and then a 180 change to say the opposite.

    Osborne will want above all to balance the books by the end of this parliament. Not achieving that will expose him to widespread criticism and jeopardise his political future.
    Brexit would indeed be a shock to the fragile UK economy which would guarantee loss of support for the Tories. So Remain it has to be.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    There are enough laughs and great twists for me. I can forgive Aaron Sorkin his love fest.

    Toby was seriously annoying.

    I Hated his next venture, was it called Newsroom? all speed talking cobblers and overt Democrat with token RINO. Mega Yawn
    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,944
    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3). You could swap Oregon for Connecticut.
    I can't see Hillary losing either Connecticut or Oregon. I think she makes 200 against Trump in almost all scenarios.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    Have confidence.

    Unless you think a massive black swan event the size of Trump's ego is going to happen then the Trumpster has the GOP nomination in the bag.

    It's Jezza Can't be Labour Leader syndrome writ large again, just over the pond this time.
    Based on your comments and @Casino_Royale's below, I've taken the plunge and placed a decent-sized bet on the tribble-owner.
    It's frankly almost absurd to think that either Cruz or Rubio are now in any position to stop Trump. It's all over bar the voting.

    The GOP establishment will mostly swing behind him, some through gritted teeth, but hoping that the trail of destruction that Tump will leave behind doesn't damage their prospects in all the other races in November.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited February 2016
    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    House of Cards is brilliant. Robyn Wright is fantastic as Claire Underwood.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    RodCrosby said:

    As far as I can tell, extrapolating Norpoth's forecast would give EVs of:-

    Trump 360
    Clinton 178

    which is very close to my own pre-Norpoth forecast...

    One way to reach 178 is as follows:

    California (55), Washington (12), Hawaii (4), Vermont (3), New York (29), Massachusetts (11), Rhode Island (4), Connecticut (7), Maryland (10), Maine (4), Michigan (16), Illinois (20), DC (3).
    Trump wont win Wisconsin, republicans are not very popular there after Scott Walker messed up things with its economy and social issues.
    But Scott Walker is going to storm the Republican nomination process and sweep into the White House. I know because I read it on PB.com
  • perdix said:

    Project Fear - "lets sacrifice our budget credibility to help REMAIN win"
    I heard on BBC radio this evening a report that Osborne is talking about further austerity in the next budget due to economic dangers etc etc.

    May be it will help REMAIN in the "cling to nurse" theme? But last year the Govt clearly did not want lots of negative anti-govt things in the media in the run up to the referendum vote.... This appears to indicate a sense of panic veering from one approach and then a 180 change to say the opposite.

    Osborne will want above all to balance the books by the end of this parliament. Not achieving that will expose him to widespread criticism and jeopardise his political future.
    Brexit would indeed be a shock to the fragile UK economy which would guarantee loss of support for the Tories. So Remain it has to be.

    But if we have the post budget period full of media coverage on the "terrible cuts" especially from the British Broadcasting Cuts organisation, may be that creates enough anti Govt feeling to tip the referendum into a "vote LEAVE and get rid of Cameron". That is always a risk for referendums that they turn into an opportunity to kick back. We saw in 2012 what one Osborne budget did to the ratings.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    Jeb's ludicrous price of "not somewhere in the hundreds" after Iowa kept me out despite my rock solid convictions because surely the market was smarter and better informed than little old me.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,048

    There are enough laughs and great twists for me. I can forgive Aaron Sorkin his love fest.

    Toby was seriously annoying.

    I Hated his next venture, was it called Newsroom? all speed talking cobblers and overt Democrat with token RINO. Mega Yawn

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    Plato! I'm shocked - Toby was easily the best character in the West Wing, I may have to hibernate for a couple of weeks after all this WW talk and watch it through again now.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223

    Looks like it's all over for Rubio.

    You'd think, but he's still only 3.9 last matched.

    I wish I had more confidence in my judgement about US politics. On the face of it, there's an absolute killing to be made backing Donald Trump at current prices but there's a limit to how much I'm willing to expose myself to losses on something I'm not that confident of.
    The evidence for Trump is overwhelming.

    I've just backed him some more.
    Hi Casino,

    Not related to Trump, but before you fire off your email to Vote Leave I just wanted to tell you that I'm now seeing more signs of activity! I think they had a decent wave of people signing up since last weekend.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    New series next week. She's even more so.

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    House of Cards is brilliant. Robyn Wright is fantastic as Claire Underwood.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    The first season of 24 is must watch groundbreaking television. All the other seasons are total garbage - some are morally repugnent unwatchable treats the audience like idiots garbage.
  • New series next week. She's even more so.

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    House of Cards is brilliant. Robyn Wright is fantastic as Claire Underwood.
    I can't wait, there aren't many shows that I'm into these days. I used love Scandal, but I think even that's become a bit stupid recently. I also hated Newsroom as well. The first episode was okay, but after that....it became so 'meh'.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited February 2016
    He's the only actor bar J to secure many other roles. I've only seen Josh in one.

    He's been in allsorts as a baddie, she was in Masters of Sex and other stuff
    Omnium said:

    There are enough laughs and great twists for me. I can forgive Aaron Sorkin his love fest.

    Toby was seriously annoying.

    I Hated his next venture, was it called Newsroom? all speed talking cobblers and overt Democrat with token RINO. Mega Yawn

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    Plato! I'm shocked - Toby was easily the best character in the West Wing, I may have to hibernate for a couple of weeks after all this WW talk and watch it through again now.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Omnium said:

    I imagine that Christie has to be looking very likely as a running mate for Trump.

    That's my guess too. Wouldn't bet that way though. Trump is far too unpredictable.
    Well indeed - if Trump was up against Clinton (which does seem likely), he could do worse that have a strong, intelligent younger woman on his ticket
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    West Wing is awesome. I was watching it (again) earlier this evening.

    24 is beyond crap

    The Newsroom is exceptional

    House of Cards started well, went off the boil, but hope for better things in Season 4

    That is all
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    May I also urge PBers to look at the US polls with a sceptical eye on the demographic details. In both 08 and 12 the internals of some of the polls were so off the mark they made the 2015 UK general election polling look spot on to three decimal points !!

    One of the reasons in past POTUS why my across the pond ARSE has been so accurate is I amend some of the "interesting" US poll internals with a demographic and differential turnout filter. As another PBer of repute oft opines :

    DYOR
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mckaycoppins: Trump threatening news outlets: "We're gonna open up those libel laws folks and we're gonna sue you like you've never been sued before."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,865
    JackW said:


    DYOR

    Never!

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Scandal is so obviously Shonda, it's Greys Anatomy with lawyers. All fast talking and uber emphasis.

    I watched for fun until S4 halfway then gave in. I gather Mrs POTUS is on the rise now.

    Have to be very careful with spoilers as I'm usually a season or more ahead.

    New series next week. She's even more so.

    John_M said:

    John_M said:

    Looking to download a box set from Sky, West Wing or 24?

    24.
    24 is awful. It's like the intelligence agencies if they were populated by high schoolers.
    I love 24.

    For me, the West Wing is far too cliche.
    Hopefully I'm mature enough to allow that other folks don't necessarily share my tastes and views ;).

    I've seen very little of West Wing; what little I have is far too idealistic and rose-tinted for my jaundiced soul. I'm more of a House of Cards type.
    House of Cards is brilliant. Robyn Wright is fantastic as Claire Underwood.
    I can't wait, there aren't many shows that I'm into these days. I used love Scandal, but I think even that's become a bit stupid recently. I also hated Newsroom as well. The first episode was okay, but after that....it became so 'meh'.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    JackW said:

    May I also urge PBers to look at the US polls with a sceptical eye on the demographic details. In both 08 and 12 the internals of some of the polls were so off the mark they made the 2015 UK general election polling look spot on to three decimal points !!

    One of the reasons in past POTUS why my across the pond ARSE has been so accurate is I amend some of the "interesting" US poll internals with a demographic and differential turnout filter. As another PBer of repute oft opines :

    DYOR

    I have been warning about American poll demographics for some time now. As far as I can tell ORC don't even appy any weighting, they just go with who they've got.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Alistair said:

    JackW said:

    May I also urge PBers to look at the US polls with a sceptical eye on the demographic details. In both 08 and 12 the internals of some of the polls were so off the mark they made the 2015 UK general election polling look spot on to three decimal points !!

    One of the reasons in past POTUS why my across the pond ARSE has been so accurate is I amend some of the "interesting" US poll internals with a demographic and differential turnout filter. As another PBer of repute oft opines :

    DYOR

    I have been warning about American poll demographics for some time now. As far as I can tell ORC don't even appy any weighting, they just go with who they've got.
    Quite.

    However unwise punting by the unwary on the basis of duff polling has kept Mrs JackW well heeled for many a long day .... :smile:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,172
    kle4 said:

    JackW said:


    DYOR

    Never!

    I thought "as the ARSE goes, so does the nation". Own research not necessary.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Osborne suggesting more cuts.

    Our net EU contribution is £8.5bn. Average wages have fallen since EU expansion, the population has risen by close to 5m in the same period - and 'austerity' actually ends when?

    Overseas aid is up to what now? £11.6bn.

    Cameron and Osborne will run out of political capital with many who voted for them in May 2015.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    kle4 said:


    And what is happening to the Labour party these days.

    Highly experimental politics. If people claim they are sick of the same old shower, this is what you get (and we know plenty of Tories want to go down the same route).

    Personally I think people are uninspired by our bland party automaton leaders and political classes, but it developed because that's what we wanted. Went too far, and has been reacted against, but the principle of that being what people want I think remains.
    It's interesting that Blair said he doesn't get politics anymore. I think he doesn't understand that the political climate now is totally different from 1997. In 1997, there was still some good will towards politicians (well, Blair anyway) and many people felt hopeful. Now, many no longer have much hope going forward, and hate the politicial class.
    Blair was elected on a wave of enthusiasm after the fag end of an exhausted Tory administration. With Brown, he probably did more than any other to sour the electorate on politicians - though the expenses scandal didn't help.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    chestnut said:

    Osborne suggesting more cuts.

    Our net EU contribution is £8.5bn. Average wages have fallen since EU expansion, the population has risen by close to 5m in the same period - and 'austerity' actually ends when?

    Overseas aid is up to what now? £11.6bn.

    Cameron and Osborne will run out of political capital with many who voted for them in May 2015.

    Cameron and Osborne will always have sufficient political capital whist their "Get Out Of Jail Card" Jezza provides cover.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited February 2016
    My word ... Duke of Cambridge at Cardiff for the rugby ....

    He'll be a ringer for OGH in a few years !! :astonished:
  • John_M said:

    kle4 said:


    And what is happening to the Labour party these days.

    Highly experimental politics. If people claim they are sick of the same old shower, this is what you get (and we know plenty of Tories want to go down the same route).

    Personally I think people are uninspired by our bland party automaton leaders and political classes, but it developed because that's what we wanted. Went too far, and has been reacted against, but the principle of that being what people want I think remains.
    It's interesting that Blair said he doesn't get politics anymore. I think he doesn't understand that the political climate now is totally different from 1997. In 1997, there was still some good will towards politicians (well, Blair anyway) and many people felt hopeful. Now, many no longer have much hope going forward, and hate the politicial class.
    Blair was elected on a wave of enthusiasm after the fag end of an exhausted Tory administration. With Brown, he probably did more than any other to sour the electorate on politicians - though the expenses scandal didn't help.
    I actually believe the biggest turning point for the electorate was Iraq. That really burst the Blair bubble. Brown's tenure only made it worse.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Seriously slow this evening. I've gotten sloshed and listened to loads of oldie tracks.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    @TwistedFireStopper Sent you a tweet
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