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At this point in –
2004: Dean +6
2008 (D): H. Clinton +9.8
(R): McCain +6
2012: Gingrich +4.3
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Danny565

Tim Stanley on Newsnight now. I swear he's a deliberate parody of the typical Westminster SPAD.

AlastairMeeks

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

MikeSmithson

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

HYUFD

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Wanderer

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You mean you're definitely going?

TheScreamingEagles

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.

Plato_Says

What time does the Fox Debate start tomorrow? UK time? I'm planning to watch if Donald tweets along

Casino_Royale

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I'm not allowing myself to be played. I said earlier on that there would be a rabbit. And I won't believe anything until its announced.

But I do think its a hard time to get a deal on migration, and I also think the idea that every announcement from an EU leader is carefully choreographed for Cameron's benefit is a bit of a chimera.

There are clues in there.

Casino_Royale

Wanderer said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You mean you're definitely going?

Lol.

Scott_P

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

HYUFD

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

I can't see negotiations enabling a June 23rd poll, it will be September at the earliest

HYUFD

The polls here are national polls, not state polls, McCain of course was the nominee in 2008, Dean only led for 4 more days

Pong

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.

Useful internet access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some of the EU's less civilised nations.

Come on Dave, lets add some real meat to the negotiations.

Time to stand up for PB'ers right to punt while on holiday in France.

TheScreamingEagles

June is a hectic month for me.

Euro 2016, an EU Ref, seeing the Stone Roses and Lionel Richie live, and the EU referendum result is being announced about 10 mins away from me. I'll be PB's man on the spot.

TheScreamingEagles

Pong said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.

Useful interent access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some more backwards nations.

I've told Mike how to get around that.

TheScreamingEagles

Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

TheScreamingEagles

Pong said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.

Useful internet access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some of the EU's less civilised nations.

Come on Dave, lets add some real meat to the negotiations.

Time to stand up for PB'ers right to punt while on holiday in France.

Hell yes.

I hate going to America for that reason. I think even accessing betting markets is a crime.

I would not do well in the American prison system, orange is soooo not my colour.

HurstLlama

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

Of course we wouldn't. However, think of it from the position of the North Korean government or the Iranian government come to that, "Would we want to live in a world where only the Americans has nuclear weapons?"

I rather think that if I was a North Korean* or an Iranian I would be cheering my government on in its attempt to get a workable nuke.

*I accept that as North Korean I might have more urgent priorities, like food and making sure I didn't say anything out of order.

watford30

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

Scott_P

@bpolitics: Donald Trump Schedules Des Moines Event Opposite GOP Debate https://t.co/VgGDERpgM0

MikeSmithson

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pong said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MikeSmithson said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd

You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.

Useful interent access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some more backwards nations.

I've told Mike how to get around that.

To get round international restrictions on accessing Betfair simply go through using 4g connection rather than WiFi. Works in France, very well.

Thanks ks to TSE for tip

Pulpstar

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

Do you enjoy asking how popular Nigel Farage is in central Macnhester too ?

Plato_Says

And again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12125981/Newspaper-rounds-may-breach-childrens-rights-warns-Strasbourg.html

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

Do you enjoy asking how popular Nigel Farage is in central Macnhester too ?

If he's doing well in Boston you'll be able to hear my screams of anguish all the way in England

Plato_Says

Wow

AFP
#BREAKING Sweden plans to expel up to 80,000 asylum-seekers: minister

Theuniondivvie

Documentary on BBC 1 at the mo' about a bloke who spoke to a bunch of Jews in Prague and said that their children could come to Britain.

Wanderer

HurstLlama said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

Of course we wouldn't. However, think of it from the position of the North Korean government or the Iranian government come to that, "Would we want to live in a world where only the Americans has nuclear weapons?"

I rather think that if I was a North Korean* or an Iranian I would be cheering my government on in its attempt to get a workable nuke.

*I accept that as North Korean I might have more urgent priorities, like food and making sure I didn't say anything out of order.

I don't think I'd like to live in a world in which no-one had nuclear weapons but people had the ability to make them.

However, that would be better than a world in which only North Korea had nukes. I will grant Hilary that.

Danny565

Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

RobD

Plato_Says said:

And again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12125981/Newspaper-rounds-may-breach-childrens-rights-warns-Strasbourg.html

Does this mean I can claim comp for my round I did as a kid??

What a load of bollocks from Strasbourg.

RobD

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

Any polls due? We can have a control experiment

Wanderer

Danny565 said:

Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

It seems not - this is from the Act:

(2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

(3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
(a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
(b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
(c)must not be 4 May 2017.

TheScreamingEagles

I fear Leave couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/692473977055383552

tyson

@Watford
From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

watford30 said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

TheScreamingEagles

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

Any polls due? We can have a control experiment

We're due the Ipsos Mori tomorrow or Friday, apart from that I know nothing. Just call me John Snow

Danny565

Wanderer said:

Danny565 said:

Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

It seems not - this is from the Act:

(2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

(3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
(a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
(b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
(c)must not be 4 May 2017.

Thanks.

It would be interesting if they held it on 31 December 2017

oxfordsimon

tyson said:

@Watford
From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

watford30 said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

You have an incredibly twisted view of human nature. That says more about you than it does Cameron.

Wanderer

tyson said:

@Watford
From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

watford30 said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

I don't know Cameron at all. He may be charming and decent or quite the opposite. I do know that he had a child who died and that he sometimes talks about him and the care he received from the NHS. This is what you called "fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre".

Wanderer

Danny565 said:

Wanderer said:

Danny565 said:

Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

It seems not - this is from the Act:

(2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

(3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
(a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
(b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
(c)must not be 4 May 2017.

Thanks.

It would be interesting if they held it on 31 December 2017

I like the way that the local election dates are protected but not, say, Christmas.

NorfolkTilIDie

TheScreamingEagles said:

I fear Leave couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/692473977055383552

Prolly the biggest referendum in a generation yet absolute jokers running the show on both sides. What a farce!

Scott_P

@georgeeaton: McDonnell adviser David Blanchflower: “They will have to accept the realities of capitalism ... like it or not". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

@georgeeaton: Blanchflower adds: "No more silly stuff about companies not being able to pay dividends if they don’t do X or Y". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

Tim_B

Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.

NorfolkTilIDie

AlastairMeeks said:

I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

Tis beyond me how anyone makes their mind up before we know for sure what UK's membership looks like. Everyone who called the election wrong seems to be certain what final renegotiation looks like!!

watford30

tyson said:

@Watford
From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

watford30 said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

'Rumours'.

It looks like you've formed your views based on guilty, but at the same time strangely satisfying glances at copies of The Daily Mirror, no doubt discarded on a Florentine cafe table by someone you perceive as an 'uncouth' white vested Anglo Saxon tourist on a disgusting package holiday.

From what I've read here, I could opine that you've made a fortune exploiting others, and now feel dirty for having done so.

oxfordsimon

Scott_P said:

@georgeeaton: McDonnell adviser David Blanchflower: “They will have to accept the realities of capitalism ... like it or not". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

@georgeeaton: Blanchflower adds: "No more silly stuff about companies not being able to pay dividends if they don’t do X or Y". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

Since when did McDonnell accept the reality of anything...?

Wanderer

Tim_B said:

Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.

Good evening

You spell "cancelled" the British way? (I notice because it caught me out at work today.)

Is your dog gearing up for her Iowa prediction? She doesn't want to be upstaged by the Des Moines Register.

I do find Trump's debate bail-out surprising. He would probably have at least tied the debate anyway. Sure, he dominates the headlines (but he always does). Doesn't he also set up an unpleasant (for him) narrative if he does less well than expected in Iowa? I'm thinking of something like "Trump is a choker".

Tim_B

Wanderer said:

Tim_B said:

Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.

Good evening

You spell "cancelled" the British way? (I notice because it caught me out at work today.)

Is your dog gearing up for her Iowa prediction? She doesn't want to be upstaged by the Des Moines Register.

I do find Trump's debate bail-out surprising. He would probably have at least tied the debate anyway. Sure, he dominates the headlines (but he always does). Doesn't he also set up an unpleasant (for him) narrative if he does less well than expected in Iowa? I'm thinking of something like "Trump is a choker".

I'm fairly mid-Atlantic about spelling - it's just what Chrome let's me get away with!

The general impression here is along the lines that he picked up his toys and took them home in a huff.

Nothing so far has affected his poll numbers - we'll see if this will. Many Iowans quoted the "90% of life is showing up".

It's difficult to devise an experiment for Heidi where you have two possible winners in each party. I shall work on it day and night for the next half-hour.

Speedy

At this moment in 2012 and 2008 on the GOP side in Iowa:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/compare/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus_2016_2012_2008.html

DEM side Iowa 2008:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html

The graphs are very illuminating for momentum reasons.

DEM side Iowa 2004:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/iowa_polls.html

rcs1000

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Speedy

Historical perspective:

2012
GOP, 5 days to Iowa

Santorum is skyrocketing from nothing to third place, Paul and Romney battling for first place with Paul drifting downwards a bit.

2008
GOP, 5 days to Iowa

Huckabee still in the lead though falling, Romney in a last minute surge is trying to catch up.

DNC side, 5 days to Iowa

Obama regains the lead after briefly losing it to Hillary, Edwards is just behind after a mini surge, all 3 within 3% of each other.

2004
DNC side, 5 days to Iowa

Dean is losing support to Kerry who comes out in the lead for the first time, while Gephardt is also losing some support to Edwards, all 4 within 5% of each other.

Wanderer

Tim_B said:

It's difficult to devise an experiment for Heidi where you have two possible winners in each party. I shall work on it day and night for the next half-hour.

Just run two experiments, one for each party? (I assume this involves food - it's win/win.)

Speedy

I missed this, the highest ranking Republican endorsing Trump so far:

Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb 1h1 hour ago
SC Lt. Gov. McMaster, endorsing Trump, wrote this op-ed in Oct: "We can all be proud of [Senator] Lindsey Graham." http://grnol.co/1Pk2Avr

Also:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/692477784917217280

Goodnight.

justin124

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

He was always an Anti - Marketeer - going back to his Labour days!

HYUFD

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Dair

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

CarlottaVance

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

Wiki says he's still a member:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party

CarlottaVance

Well that'll save the day......

Diane Abbott is to campaign in the Holyrood elections just weeks after she apparently wrote off Labour's chances....

Last month the London MP said that it was "too late now" for the party to rebuild its position in Scotland in time for the poll on May 5.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14231948.Diane_Abbott_to_campaign_in_Scottish_Parliament_elections_despite_writing_off_Labour___s_chances/

You show those SLAB dullards how it's done, Diane!

Sandpit

CarlottaVance said:

Well that'll save the day......

Diane Abbott is to campaign in the Holyrood elections just weeks after she apparently wrote off Labour's chances....

Last month the London MP said that it was "too late now" for the party to rebuild its position in Scotland in time for the poll on May 5.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14231948.Diane_Abbott_to_campaign_in_Scottish_Parliament_elections_despite_writing_off_Labour___s_chances/

You show those SLAB dullards how it's done, Diane!

Wouldn't she be better off campaigning in London, for her man George Sadiq?

MTimT

Wanderer said:

You spell "cancelled" the British way?

LOL. TimB is British.

Along these lines, I was at the supermarket for my first post-Blizzard of 2016 shop. The cashier did not recognize a lot of the foods I had bought. So I said "rutabaga (suede in English), cilantro (coriander in English), Belgian endive (chicory in English), arugula (rocket in English)." The Indian guy in the line behind me found it amusing.

Dair

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

Wiki says he's still a member:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party

Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.

CarlottaVance

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

Wiki says he's still a member:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party

Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.

Wiki says:

Political Party
Scottish National Party (1980 - Present)

The Telegraph;

Mr Sillars, who remains an SNP member despite falling out with the First Minister, concluded that the Nationalist majority at Holyrood are the “most leadership-controlled party in the UK.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9533614/Jim-Sillars-SNP-a-totalitarian-and-intellectually-dumb-party.html

Common Space:

Sillars, a long time SNP member, said that the party should instead operate as an independent component within the broader Yes movement.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/2372/jim-sillars-interview-yes-scotland-should-be-independent-from-snp-for-indyref2

Got a link to say he isn't a member?

Sandpit

Looks like Like Johanna Konta's Australian deam is coming to an end. Good effort to make the semis though.

SouthamObserver

My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.

FrancisUrquhart

Thought it had been a while since Gorgeous George had sued anybody...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35420934

Suing YouTube because somebody uploaded a speech where they called him something I won't repeat. Interesting to see if he wins this one. If he does it could open the floodgates given how much content is up on sites like YouTube that express claims / views of a similar nature.

FrancisUrquhart

Sandpit said:

Looks like Like Johanna Konta's Australian deam is coming to an end. Good effort to make the semis though.

Definitely Australian today ;-)

Sandpit

SouthamObserver said:

My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.

Yes, it's a great city, I wish I'd spent more time there too. From a governance point of view they would have been better going down the Singapore route of an independent state, but that didn't appear to be an option at the time.

CarlottaVance

SouthamObserver said:

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....

FrancisUrquhart

A bunch more migrants on their way...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420209/EU-expect-million-year-warns-economic-migrants-Asia-north-Africa-worsen-Europe-s-migration-crisis.html

Sandpit

CarlottaVance said:

SouthamObserver said:

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....

That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.

foxinsoxuk

Unnatended roadworks to be fined.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35415992

The problem is the public needs to have a reporting mechanism. Time for a return of the Cones Hotline!

TCPoliticalBetting

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

Wiki says he's still a member:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party

Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.

Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?

JosiasJessop

tyson said:

@Watford
From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

watford30 said:

Scott_P said:

@janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?

The problem with your rant is that politicians cannot win. Say Cameron had followed your 'advice' and never mentioned Ivan. Some political opponents - perhaps even yourself - would be saying how cold he is, how he has 'forgotten' his son, how he does not acknowledge the great work the NHS did in Ivan's care. Etc, etc.

It'd be made worse by the McBride scandal, causing some sick people to say: "Ah, he's not mentioning Ivan because the (invented) rumours were true! Release his medical records now!"

I fail to see what Cameron could have done or said to satisfy his more febrile opponents. Perhaps commit seppuku?

(the same is often true for other politicians, including Blair and Brown).

Sandpit

FrancisUrquhart said:

Thought it had been a while since Gorgeous George had sued anybody...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35420934

Suing YouTube because somebody uploaded a speech where they called him something I won't repeat. Interesting to see if he wins this one. If he does it could open the floodgates given how much content is up on sites like YouTube that express claims / views of a similar nature.

I hope he's got deep pockets if he is suing Google in a US court. They take freedom of speech rather seriously over there.

TOPPING

SouthamObserver said:

My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.

Many thousands of locals didn't cheer the handover in Statue Square on June 30 1997 listening to Martin Lau.

That said you are right it is an amazing place just that it is probably more varied politically than sometimes people think from what they see prima facie.

CarlottaVance

Sandpit said:

CarlottaVance said:

SouthamObserver said:

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....

That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.

Its just within living memory that Park Lane in London was a 'lane' too, not an 8 lane dual carriageway!

Scott_P

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?

Wings...

FrancisUrquhart

NHS patients in Wales wait longer for treatment and diagnosis than patients in England for nearly all the main categories, BBC Wales can reveal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

Safe in Labour's hands...

CarlottaVance

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Dair said:

CarlottaVance said:

Dair said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues

Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.

Wiki says he's still a member:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party

Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.

Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?

Cough....Scottish education....cough......

Sandpit

CarlottaVance said:

Sandpit said:

CarlottaVance said:

SouthamObserver said:

This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....

That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.

Its just within living memory that Park Lane in London was a 'lane' too, not an 8 lane dual carriageway!

Is that still the only road in central London that's free of the c-charge?

CarlottaVance

This:

Sturgeon accused by Labour sources of wanting to crash fiscal framework deal for Holyrood

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14234972.Sturgeon_accused_by_Labour_sources_of_wanting_to_crash_fiscal_framework_deal_for_Holyrood/

Has brought a predictable response from Nicola:

I'm standing up for a fair deal for Scotland - Labour should try it sometime, instead of always backing the Tories.

OldKingCole

FrancisUrquhart said:

NHS patients in Wales wait longer for treatment and diagnosis than patients in England for nearly all the main categories, BBC Wales can reveal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

Safe in Labour's hands...

I’m apparently in need of a cataract operation. So the optician booked me into the NHS Appointment Request system and after about a week a letter came, telling me that I could go to any one of six local clinics for review, and a means of contacting via the web. I found the site and the lead time at the various clinics varied from 57 days to 8!.
So naturally I booked at the one with the shortest wait, which is in an NHS unit within the local private hospital complex. The website assures me it’s NHS and there will be no charges, not even for car parking!

CarlottaVance

The tricky world of acronyms.....

A new one in Indonesia......Moro Islamic Liberation Front......

FrancisUrquhart

CarlottaVance said:

The tricky world of acronyms.....

A new one in Indonesia......Moro Islamic Liberation Front......

They might get a shock when they try and google themselves...

DavidL

The distortions, inaccuracies, lazy arrogance and plain stupidities in Blanchflower's piece are almost too numerous to count and yet even he despairs of the Labour leaderships understanding of economics: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2016/01/opposing-austerity-not-enough-labour-s-leaders-need-lessons-economics-fast

I fear that this economics panel is going to prove an embarrassment.

SimonStClare

New thread

Alistair

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars

You are Alex Salmond and I claim my 5 pounds.