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At this point in –
2004: Dean +6
2008 (D): H. Clinton +9.8
(R): McCain +6
2012: Gingrich +4.3
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  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Tim Stanley on Newsnight now. I swear he's a deliberate parody of the typical Westminster SPAD.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,074
    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You mean you're definitely going?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    What time does the Fox Debate start tomorrow? UK time? I'm planning to watch if Donald tweets along
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,454
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I'm not allowing myself to be played. I said earlier on that there would be a rabbit. And I won't believe anything until its announced.

    But I do think its a hard time to get a deal on migration, and I also think the idea that every announcement from an EU leader is carefully choreographed for Cameron's benefit is a bit of a chimera.

    There are clues in there.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,454
    Wanderer said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You mean you're definitely going?
    Lol.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,074
    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    I can't see negotiations enabling a June 23rd poll, it will be September at the earliest
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,074
    The polls here are national polls, not state polls, McCain of course was the nominee in 2008, Dean only led for 4 more days
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited January 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.
    Useful internet access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some of the EU's less civilised nations.

    Come on Dave, lets add some real meat to the negotiations.

    Time to stand up for PB'ers right to punt while on holiday in France.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    June is a hectic month for me.

    Euro 2016, an EU Ref, seeing the Stone Roses and Lionel Richie live, and the EU referendum result is being announced about 10 mins away from me. I'll be PB's man on the spot.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    Pong said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.
    Useful interent access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some more backwards nations.
    I've told Mike how to get around that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

    If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    Pong said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.
    Useful internet access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some of the EU's less civilised nations.

    Come on Dave, lets add some real meat to the negotiations.

    Time to stand up for PB'ers right to punt while on holiday in France.

    Hell yes.

    I hate going to America for that reason. I think even accessing betting markets is a crime.

    I would not do well in the American prison system, orange is soooo not my colour.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    Of course we wouldn't. However, think of it from the position of the North Korean government or the Iranian government come to that, "Would we want to live in a world where only the Americans has nuclear weapons?"

    I rather think that if I was a North Korean* or an Iranian I would be cheering my government on in its attempt to get a workable nuke.

    *I accept that as North Korean I might have more urgent priorities, like food and making sure I didn't say anything out of order.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @bpolitics: Donald Trump Schedules Des Moines Event Opposite GOP Debate https://t.co/VgGDERpgM0
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Pong said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    I've already altered my June holiday arrangements in the expectation that it will be June 23rd
    You don't need to do that. Your mobile plan gives you unlimited internet access in the EU for no extra cost.
    Useful interent access (ie, betfair) is sadly still limited in some more backwards nations.
    I've told Mike how to get around that.
    To get round international restrictions on accessing Betfair simply go through using 4g connection rather than WiFi. Works in France, very well.

    Thanks ks to TSE for tip
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,285
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

    If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

    Do you enjoy asking how popular Nigel Farage is in central Macnhester too :D ?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12125981/Newspaper-rounds-may-breach-childrens-rights-warns-Strasbourg.html
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

    If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

    Do you enjoy asking how popular Nigel Farage is in central Macnhester too :D ?
    If he's doing well in Boston you'll be able to hear my screams of anguish all the way in England
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Wow

    AFP
    #BREAKING Sweden plans to expel up to 80,000 asylum-seekers: minister
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,649
    Documentary on BBC 1 at the mo' about a bloke who spoke to a bunch of Jews in Prague and said that their children could come to Britain.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    HurstLlama said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    Of course we wouldn't. However, think of it from the position of the North Korean government or the Iranian government come to that, "Would we want to live in a world where only the Americans has nuclear weapons?"

    I rather think that if I was a North Korean* or an Iranian I would be cheering my government on in its attempt to get a workable nuke.

    *I accept that as North Korean I might have more urgent priorities, like food and making sure I didn't say anything out of order.
    I don't think I'd like to live in a world in which no-one had nuclear weapons but people had the ability to make them.

    However, that would be better than a world in which only North Korea had nukes. I will grant Hilary that.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited January 2016
    Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

    If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,828
    Plato_Says said:

    And again

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/12125981/Newspaper-rounds-may-breach-childrens-rights-warns-Strasbourg.html

    Does this mean I can claim comp for my round I did as a kid??

    What a load of bollocks from Strasbourg.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,828
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

    If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

    Any polls due? We can have a control experiment :D
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    edited January 2016
    Danny565 said:

    Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

    If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

    It seems not - this is from the Act:

    (2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

    (3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
    (a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
    (b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
    (c)must not be 4 May 2017.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    I fear Leave couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/692473977055383552
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,124
    @Watford
    From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

    And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.
    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 124,502
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sort of on topic, I'm going to America on Sunday.

    If I survive customs, I'll see how trump is doing in Boston

    Any polls due? We can have a control experiment :D
    We're due the Ipsos Mori tomorrow or Friday, apart from that I know nothing. Just call me John Snow
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Wanderer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

    If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

    It seems not - this is from the Act:

    (2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

    (3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
    (a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
    (b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
    (c)must not be 4 May 2017.
    Thanks.

    It would be interesting if they held it on 31 December 2017 :D
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,850
    tyson said:

    @Watford
    From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

    And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
    You have an incredibly twisted view of human nature. That says more about you than it does Cameron.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    tyson said:

    @Watford
    From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

    And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
    I don't know Cameron at all. He may be charming and decent or quite the opposite. I do know that he had a child who died and that he sometimes talks about him and the care he received from the NHS. This is what you called "fucking, cynical, exploitative politics of the lowest, vilest calibre".
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Danny565 said:

    Wanderer said:

    Danny565 said:

    Does the government need parliamentary approval for the date of the Referendum? Or does the legislation already passed give them the authority to unilaterally set a date.

    If it's the former, would Eurosceptic Tory MPs want a June vote?

    It seems not - this is from the Act:

    (2)The Secretary of State must, by regulations, appoint the day on which the referendum is to be held.

    (3)The day appointed under subsection (2)—
    (a)must be no later than 31 December 2017,
    (b)must not be 5 May 2016, and
    (c)must not be 4 May 2017.
    Thanks.

    It would be interesting if they held it on 31 December 2017 :D
    I like the way that the local election dates are protected but not, say, Christmas.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I fear Leave couldn't organise a farting contest in a baked bean factory.

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/692473977055383552

    Prolly the biggest referendum in a generation yet absolute jokers running the show on both sides. What a farce!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @georgeeaton: McDonnell adviser David Blanchflower: “They will have to accept the realities of capitalism ... like it or not". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

    @georgeeaton: Blanchflower adds: "No more silly stuff about companies not being able to pay dividends if they don’t do X or Y". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

    He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

    CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I see that some pb regulars are allowing themselves to be played by referendum expectation management. Believe nothing till the deal is announced.

    In like vein, the agreement is supposedly being delayed:

    http://on.ft.com/1JFwnye

    This was, of course, my theory earlier. But we'll see.

    Tis beyond me how anyone makes their mind up before we know for sure what UK's membership looks like. Everyone who called the election wrong seems to be certain what final renegotiation looks like!!
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016
    tyson said:

    @Watford
    From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

    And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
    'Rumours'.

    It looks like you've formed your views based on guilty, but at the same time strangely satisfying glances at copies of The Daily Mirror, no doubt discarded on a Florentine cafe table by someone you perceive as an 'uncouth' white vested Anglo Saxon tourist on a disgusting package holiday.

    From what I've read here, I could opine that you've made a fortune exploiting others, and now feel dirty for having done so.



  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,850
    Scott_P said:

    @georgeeaton: McDonnell adviser David Blanchflower: “They will have to accept the realities of capitalism ... like it or not". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

    @georgeeaton: Blanchflower adds: "No more silly stuff about companies not being able to pay dividends if they don’t do X or Y". https://t.co/LMxxaZ5R0e

    Since when did McDonnell accept the reality of anything...?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Tim_B said:

    Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

    He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

    CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.

    Good evening :)

    You spell "cancelled" the British way? (I notice because it caught me out at work today.)

    Is your dog gearing up for her Iowa prediction? She doesn't want to be upstaged by the Des Moines Register.

    I do find Trump's debate bail-out surprising. He would probably have at least tied the debate anyway. Sure, he dominates the headlines (but he always does). Doesn't he also set up an unpleasant (for him) narrative if he does less well than expected in Iowa? I'm thinking of something like "Trump is a choker".
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Wanderer said:

    Tim_B said:

    Trump is on Fox News at 8pm Eastern this evening. He was supposed to be on Hannity (10pm) last night but it was cancelled at the last minute.

    He is apparently organizing a rally for Wounded Warriors to clash with the debate tomorrow.

    CNN and Fox had virtually an all-Trump format today.

    Good evening :)

    You spell "cancelled" the British way? (I notice because it caught me out at work today.)

    Is your dog gearing up for her Iowa prediction? She doesn't want to be upstaged by the Des Moines Register.

    I do find Trump's debate bail-out surprising. He would probably have at least tied the debate anyway. Sure, he dominates the headlines (but he always does). Doesn't he also set up an unpleasant (for him) narrative if he does less well than expected in Iowa? I'm thinking of something like "Trump is a choker".
    I'm fairly mid-Atlantic about spelling - it's just what Chrome let's me get away with!

    The general impression here is along the lines that he picked up his toys and took them home in a huff.

    Nothing so far has affected his poll numbers - we'll see if this will. Many Iowans quoted the "90% of life is showing up".

    It's difficult to devise an experiment for Heidi where you have two possible winners in each party. I shall work on it day and night for the next half-hour.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    At this moment in 2012 and 2008 on the GOP side in Iowa:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/compare/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus_2016_2012_2008.html

    DEM side Iowa 2008:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_democratic_caucus-208.html

    The graphs are very illuminating for momentum reasons.

    DEM side Iowa 2004:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/iowa_polls.html
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,101
    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Historical perspective:

    2012
    GOP, 5 days to Iowa

    Santorum is skyrocketing from nothing to third place, Paul and Romney battling for first place with Paul drifting downwards a bit.

    2008
    GOP, 5 days to Iowa

    Huckabee still in the lead though falling, Romney in a last minute surge is trying to catch up.

    DNC side, 5 days to Iowa

    Obama regains the lead after briefly losing it to Hillary, Edwards is just behind after a mini surge, all 3 within 3% of each other.

    2004
    DNC side, 5 days to Iowa

    Dean is losing support to Kerry who comes out in the lead for the first time, while Gephardt is also losing some support to Edwards, all 4 within 5% of each other.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Tim_B said:


    It's difficult to devise an experiment for Heidi where you have two possible winners in each party. I shall work on it day and night for the next half-hour.

    Just run two experiments, one for each party? (I assume this involves food - it's win/win.)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    I missed this, the highest ranking Republican endorsing Trump so far:

    Sopan Deb ‏@SopanDeb 1h1 hour ago
    SC Lt. Gov. McMaster, endorsing Trump, wrote this op-ed in Oct: "We can all be proud of [Senator] Lindsey Graham." http://grnol.co/1Pk2Avr

    Also:
    https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/692477784917217280

    Goodnight.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    He was always an Anti - Marketeer - going back to his Labour days!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,074
    edited January 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
    Wiki says he's still a member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Well that'll save the day......

    Diane Abbott is to campaign in the Holyrood elections just weeks after she apparently wrote off Labour's chances....

    Last month the London MP said that it was "too late now" for the party to rebuild its position in Scotland in time for the poll on May 5.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14231948.Diane_Abbott_to_campaign_in_Scottish_Parliament_elections_despite_writing_off_Labour___s_chances/

    You show those SLAB dullards how it's done, Diane!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    edited January 2016
    CarlottaVance said:

    Well that'll save the day......

    Diane Abbott is to campaign in the Holyrood elections just weeks after she apparently wrote off Labour's chances....

    Last month the London MP said that it was "too late now" for the party to rebuild its position in Scotland in time for the poll on May 5.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14231948.Diane_Abbott_to_campaign_in_Scottish_Parliament_elections_despite_writing_off_Labour___s_chances/

    You show those SLAB dullards how it's done, Diane!

    Wouldn't she be better off campaigning in London, for her man George Sadiq?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Wanderer said:


    You spell "cancelled" the British way?

    LOL. TimB is British.

    Along these lines, I was at the supermarket for my first post-Blizzard of 2016 shop. The cashier did not recognize a lot of the foods I had bought. So I said "rutabaga (suede in English), cilantro (coriander in English), Belgian endive (chicory in English), arugula (rocket in English)." The Indian guy in the line behind me found it amusing.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited January 2016
    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
    Wiki says he's still a member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party
    Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

    Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Dair said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
    Wiki says he's still a member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party
    Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

    Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.
    Wiki says:

    Political Party
    Scottish National Party (1980 - Present)

    The Telegraph;

    Mr Sillars, who remains an SNP member despite falling out with the First Minister, concluded that the Nationalist majority at Holyrood are the “most leadership-controlled party in the UK.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9533614/Jim-Sillars-SNP-a-totalitarian-and-intellectually-dumb-party.html

    Common Space:

    Sillars, a long time SNP member, said that the party should instead operate as an independent component within the broader Yes movement.

    https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/2372/jim-sillars-interview-yes-scotland-should-be-independent-from-snp-for-indyref2

    Got a link to say he isn't a member?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    Looks like Like Johanna Konta's Australian deam is coming to an end. Good effort to make the semis though.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,547
    edited January 2016
    Thought it had been a while since Gorgeous George had sued anybody...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35420934

    Suing YouTube because somebody uploaded a speech where they called him something I won't repeat. Interesting to see if he wins this one. If he does it could open the floodgates given how much content is up on sites like YouTube that express claims / views of a similar nature.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,547
    Sandpit said:

    Looks like Like Johanna Konta's Australian deam is coming to an end. Good effort to make the semis though.

    Definitely Australian today ;-)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    SouthamObserver said:

    My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.

    Yes, it's a great city, I wish I'd spent more time there too. From a governance point of view they would have been better going down the Singapore route of an independent state, but that didn't appear to be an option at the time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    SouthamObserver said:

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

    Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,547
    A bunch more migrants on their way...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420209/EU-expect-million-year-warns-economic-migrants-Asia-north-Africa-worsen-Europe-s-migration-crisis.html
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

    Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....
    That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Unnatended roadworks to be fined.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35415992

    The problem is the public needs to have a reporting mechanism. Time for a return of the Cones Hotline!
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Dair said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
    Wiki says he's still a member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party
    Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

    Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.
    Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,787
    tyson said:

    @Watford
    From the last thread- I am certainly not retired thank you, nor draw a pension, or anywhere close to it. I am entirely self made and managed a good career to boot. And maybe in twenty or thirty years time, I may think of retiring.

    And regarding Cameron and his child- a politician lays himself open to talk of exploitation by bringing up these deeply personal and emotional issues. And there is enough in Cameron- Bullingdon membership, rumours of his behaviour at Carlton comms, his Flashman outbursts that gives credence to the fact that he is rather unpleasant and cynical. Of course our pbCOM Tories and their cheerleaders think him to be a thoroughly charming and decent man.

    watford30 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: On #newsnight @hilarybennmp says "would we want to live in a world where only North Korea had nuclear weapons and the rest of world didn't?"

    I thought he'd been told not go Off Piste without permission?
    The problem with your rant is that politicians cannot win. Say Cameron had followed your 'advice' and never mentioned Ivan. Some political opponents - perhaps even yourself - would be saying how cold he is, how he has 'forgotten' his son, how he does not acknowledge the great work the NHS did in Ivan's care. Etc, etc.

    It'd be made worse by the McBride scandal, causing some sick people to say: "Ah, he's not mentioning Ivan because the (invented) rumours were true! Release his medical records now!"

    I fail to see what Cameron could have done or said to satisfy his more febrile opponents. Perhaps commit seppuku?

    (the same is often true for other politicians, including Blair and Brown).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Thought it had been a while since Gorgeous George had sued anybody...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35420934

    Suing YouTube because somebody uploaded a speech where they called him something I won't repeat. Interesting to see if he wins this one. If he does it could open the floodgates given how much content is up on sites like YouTube that express claims / views of a similar nature.

    I hope he's got deep pockets if he is suing Google in a US court. They take freedom of speech rather seriously over there.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,397
    SouthamObserver said:

    My time in Hong Kong draws to an end, just as it begins to warm up after a very cold snap, comparatively speaking. On Sunday a group of "frost-chasers" had to be rescued from one of the mountains by 300 - yes, 300 - firemen. They went in search of ice, but having no idea how cold ice is did it in ridiculously inappropriate clothing, so ended up getting hyperthermia:

    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1905267/hong-kong-frost-chasers-ridiculed-hospitalisations

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result. The locals cheered at the handover. Now they fly the old colonial flag. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone? If I were 20 years younger I'd be out here like a shot.

    Many thousands of locals didn't cheer the handover in Statue Square on June 30 1997 listening to Martin Lau.

    That said you are right it is an amazing place just that it is probably more varied politically than sometimes people think from what they see prima facie.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

    Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....
    That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.
    Its just within living memory that Park Lane in London was a 'lane' too, not an 8 lane dual carriageway!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?

    Wings...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,547
    NHS patients in Wales wait longer for treatment and diagnosis than patients in England for nearly all the main categories, BBC Wales can reveal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

    Safe in Labour's hands...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Dair said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    Referendums bring strange bedfellows, at least he is consistent, he wants Scotland out of the UK and the EU, unlike most of his SNP colleagues
    Jim Sillars hasn't been in the SNP for nearly 20 years.
    Wiki says he's still a member:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Sillars#Scottish_National_Party
    Wiki is wrong. Sillars hasn't been an SNP member for about 20 years.

    Actually Wiki doesnt even suggest he is a member.
    Is there a separate wiki for SNP readers?
    Cough....Scottish education....cough......
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 57,763
    CarlottaVance said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    This is such a great place and one achievement of Empire that is surely an indisputable success. Just to give you an idea of what the British did here, our office is on Queen's Road, which was the coastline when the Royal Navy first set anchor here. Now it is hundreds of yards inland. The sea has been reclaimed and countless people have jobs and homes as a result.

    Similar story in Singapore - Raffles Hotel - on Beach Road, lost its beach in the 1880s and is now hundred of yards inland.....
    That's a good one, no-one new there understands why the beach road doesn't have a beach on it, and when one stands there and looks at where the beach used to be it's all skyscrapers and shopping malls - with a couple of nice parks too.
    Its just within living memory that Park Lane in London was a 'lane' too, not an 8 lane dual carriageway!
    Is that still the only road in central London that's free of the c-charge?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    This:

    Sturgeon accused by Labour sources of wanting to crash fiscal framework deal for Holyrood

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14234972.Sturgeon_accused_by_Labour_sources_of_wanting_to_crash_fiscal_framework_deal_for_Holyrood/

    Has brought a predictable response from Nicola:

    I'm standing up for a fair deal for Scotland - Labour should try it sometime, instead of always backing the Tories.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,961
    edited January 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    NHS patients in Wales wait longer for treatment and diagnosis than patients in England for nearly all the main categories, BBC Wales can reveal.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35364644

    Safe in Labour's hands...

    I’m apparently in need of a cataract operation. So the optician booked me into the NHS Appointment Request system and after about a week a letter came, telling me that I could go to any one of six local clinics for review, and a means of contacting via the web. I found the site and the lead time at the various clinics varied from 57 days to 8!.
    So naturally I booked at the one with the shortest wait, which is in an NHS unit within the local private hospital complex. The website assures me it’s NHS and there will be no charges, not even for car parking!
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    The tricky world of acronyms.....

    A new one in Indonesia......Moro Islamic Liberation Front......
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 88,547
    CarlottaVance said:

    The tricky world of acronyms.....

    A new one in Indonesia......Moro Islamic Liberation Front......

    They might get a shock when they try and google themselves...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,722
    The distortions, inaccuracies, lazy arrogance and plain stupidities in Blanchflower's piece are almost too numerous to count and yet even he despairs of the Labour leaderships understanding of economics: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2016/01/opposing-austerity-not-enough-labour-s-leaders-need-lessons-economics-fast

    I fear that this economics panel is going to prove an embarrassment.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited January 2016
    New thread
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jim Sillars, former deputy leader of the SNP and husband of the late Margo McDonald, has offered his services to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum calling the EU “a profoundly undemocratic organisation”. He is the most prominent nationalist to back Leave
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/jim-sillars-to-campaign-for-european-union-exit-1-4007425#ixzz3xtSxbmgc

    Shit. I was going to back Leave, but I loathe Sillars
    You are Alex Salmond and I claim my 5 pounds.
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