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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Innocent

    or

    Through child's eyes

    The innocent is a cool title, but famously used for a similar story.

    Fuck it, Spawn of Santa it is.
    YULE BE SORRY!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,930
    Patrick said:

    Actually Spawn of Santa is ridiculously 'Chuckyish'. But reminds me of a fabulous true story:

    In the 1980s Japan ruled the world and Christmas was very trendy in Japan. The well known department store chain Sogu decided that their new Tokyo flagship store opening ceremony (in Dec) would be Christmas themed. So they got their PR people to investigate Christianity, Christmas, Santa, Jesus and all that stuff. They made a fabulous opening display in the lobby and hid it behind curtains. The chairman made his speech, cut the ribbon and the curtains fell back to reveal - Santa. Nailed to the cross!

    That's the same sort of story as the one that goes around regarding the rebranding of polytechnics as Universities back in the early 90's.

    My favourite ones were the discovery that there was no actual entity called Oxford University so the poly debated snagging it for about 5 minutes and the City University of Newcastle upon Tyne where the initialisation wasn't noticed until a letterhead was created...
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Charles said:

    @Casino_Royale

    We are going to disagree on this, because I know it's important to you. (As an aside, although it's not really relevant, we have a 2 bed flat in London and a similar place near where my wife grew up in the US. We certainly don't think of ourselves as "rich" although, I'd conceed we are comfortably off - thanks to judicious use of borrowing! And yes, I pay a lot of tax - I am ok with 47%, but felt that 52% was too much, and really resent the tapering of the personal allowance even though it's a smallish amount of money in absolute terms)

    Pensions tax relief is government spending. An individual pays tax at 20%, 40% or 45% depending on their income. The government then chooses how to allocate it. Historically they have given a significant rebate to people who save for retirement. That's for good reasons - it encourages saving. However, it also undoubtly disproportionately benefits the better off: the 40% and 45% taxpayers. They are certainly not rich, and they are striving to make their way in life & that's to be encouraged. But I'm not sure it's the best use of £15-20bn in scarce resources. You are entirely free to change your behaviour - you may decide that a 20% top up is insufficient to accept the lack of flexiblity that comes with pensions saving, but it's not some kind of moral outrage.

    A purist would scoff at the idea that pension tax relief is government spending. I know it looks that way as there is a cash outflow from the Exchequer but that is just mechanics. Not taxing people is not the same thing as government spending. If member pension contributions are allowed to be made out of pre tax income it follows that relief should be at the approriate rate. Of course you could get rid of the relief altogether, which is what PISA is all about.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I was going to suggest Darkness Visible but that's a 1979 book by William Golding.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244
    The Lizard Curse
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    pbr2013 said:

    ST - "Pead"

    Agh! "Paed".
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Innocent

    or

    Through child's eyes

    The innocent is a cool title, but famously used for a similar story.

    Fuck it, Spawn of Santa it is.
    How about "The Silent Night". Alludes to Christmas but not blatantly and sounds quite sinister.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2016 26
    We need late 80s Nirvana or some spooky new band to cover The Doors "My Eyes have seen you" for the film adaptation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCzOwtHuOQo
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    ONE LESS GIFT UNDER THE CHRISTMAS TREE
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    @SeanT

    A TIME TO MOURN
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited 2016 26

    Nah. Next election will just be Labour's second 1983. They need to hold the hard-left line, have no major events derail the Government AND have something like a major Lib Dem revival, UKIP getting huge traction, or an as-yet unanticipated Third Force arise for their existence to be genuinely threatened.

    Yes, in post-Corbyn retrospect 2015 seems to have been 1979: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/20/searching-for-a-parallel-to-2015/
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    His Celtic Eyes
    Season's Mists
    Child of Old
    Kernow's Visions
    Those Ancient Eyes
    Sight of Ages
    Winter Visions
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    "Oh Little Town"
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    AndyJS said:

    Fraser Nelson — "Why can’t the Swedish authorities be honest about crime and immigration?"

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/why-cant-the-swedish-authorities-be-honest-about-crime-and-immigration/

    We see here on this site,and I am guilty obviously, that the kind of nerds that get off on debate and politics all have one thing in common

    They NEVER admit they are wrong

    It is what they think they are good at, what they take pride in, Politicians are at the top of their chosen field, and are even worse. Admitting they are wrong often risks a lack of job security for them & financial disaster for their families...

    In order for the problems w immigration and the refugee crisis to be sorted, politicians will have to admit they called it wrong all along, and the people they branded racists were right... it wont happen, or at least the slowness of the U turn, so slow as to be undetected, will ensure that the damage is already done.


  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    "Bleak Midwinter"
  • pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    This is fun!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 26
    Unless it's a single :smiley:
    SeanT said:

    eek said:

    SeanT said:



    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?

    DARK CHRISTMAS
    CHRISTMAS IS COMING (Game of Thrones fans will know what you mean)
    or, combined...
    DARK CHRISTMAS IS COMING
    I can predict the reply to those suggestions - anything with Christmas in only sells in November / December?

    A Death Foretold?
    Yep. You can allude to Xmas but saying it is commercial death.

    Chronicle of a Death Foretold is a famous book
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited 2016 26
    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244
    edited 2016 26
    The Cradle Rocks
    Ghosts Of Tristan
    The Son Won't Shine
    Woman's End
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756

    Nah. Next election will just be Labour's second 1983. They need to hold the hard-left line, have no major events derail the Government AND have something like a major Lib Dem revival, UKIP getting huge traction, or an as-yet unanticipated Third Force arise for their existence to be genuinely threatened.

    Yes, in post-Corbyn retrospect 2015 seems to have been 1979: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/20/searching-for-a-parallel-to-2015/
    I like this line from that piece, written well before the Corbyngasm

    But the very fact that it has been suggested indicates that many in Labour are worried that they’re about to elect the wrong person, again.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    Winter's Omen
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Nah. Next election will just be Labour's second 1983. They need to hold the hard-left line, have no major events derail the Government AND have something like a major Lib Dem revival, UKIP getting huge traction, or an as-yet unanticipated Third Force arise for their existence to be genuinely threatened.

    Yes, in post-Corbyn retrospect 2015 seems to have been 1979: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/20/searching-for-a-parallel-to-2015/
    I like this line from that piece, written well before the Corbyngasm

    But the very fact that it has been suggested indicates that many in Labour are worried that they’re about to elect the wrong person, again.
    If I'd known what was going to happen I'd have used "effing petrified". One worries about Burnham; one hyperventilates about Corbyn.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?

    Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,755

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    You're going to be proved wrong around August I expect. ^_~
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Sean_F said:

    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?

    Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?
    Harry Potter and the Bogus Asylum Seeker?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756

    Nah. Next election will just be Labour's second 1983. They need to hold the hard-left line, have no major events derail the Government AND have something like a major Lib Dem revival, UKIP getting huge traction, or an as-yet unanticipated Third Force arise for their existence to be genuinely threatened.

    Yes, in post-Corbyn retrospect 2015 seems to have been 1979: http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/05/20/searching-for-a-parallel-to-2015/
    I like this line from that piece, written well before the Corbyngasm

    But the very fact that it has been suggested indicates that many in Labour are worried that they’re about to elect the wrong person, again.
    If I'd known what was going to happen I'd have used "effing petrified". One worries about Burnham; one hyperventilates about Corbyn.
    No, Flip Flop Burnham would have been a disaster for Labour.

    Labour made the right choice in choosing Corbyn over Burnham, Burnham ran the worst campaign a favourite has run since Michael Portillo's doomed bid in 2001.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?

    Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?
    Harry Potter and the Bogus Asylum Seeker?

    Harry Potter and the Taharrush of Cologne
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?

    Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?
    Harry Potter and the Bogus Asylum Seeker?

    Harry Potter Goes Mad in Cornwall?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Labour made the right choice in choosing Corbyn over Burnham, Burnham ran the worst campaign a favourite has run since Michael Portillo's doomed bid in 2001.

    Bold
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Books with Harry Potter in the title sell well, - perhaps change the name of the stepson?

    Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?
    Harry Potter and the Bogus Asylum Seeker?

    Harry Potter and Schrödinger’s immigrant*

    *Who lazes around on benefits whilst simultaneously stealing your job
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
    I imagine the internet will crash when Martin announces that he's delivered the manuscript to his publisher. I imagine that sales would be on a par with the Deathly Hallows.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Stephen Woolf was excellent on DP earlier, Lammy predictably tried to play the race card, not sure he realises Stephen is mixed race
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    SeanT said:

    I am genuinely grateful, nay touched, by all the suggestions, tho.

    Sincerely.

    *group hug for pb*

    I'd buy you all a cold beer but I'm in Bangkok.

    Does Roger get a cameo in this book too?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tomorrow night is Bercow Night at the St James Theatre...

    Matt Forde interviews John Bercow, w audience questions after.

    Anyone going? Anyone want me to ask him a question?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244
    edited 2016 26
    The Misery Of Primary Season
    Blood Trumps Water
    Paying For Cornwall

    It's gonna be yuuuge.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756
    SeanT said:

    I am genuinely grateful, nay touched, by all the suggestions, tho.

    Sincerely.

    *group hug for pb*

    I'd buy you all a cold beer but I'm in Bangkok.

    Can you send some money for behind the bar at the next PB meet instead? heh
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
    I imagine the internet will crash when Martin announces that he's delivered the manuscript to his publisher. I imagine that sales would be on a par with the Deathly Hallows.
    My editor is RR Martin's editor in the UK.

    I think the publishers are worried he's gonna keel over before delivering. Imagine the panic in the accounts dept.
    Did you watch the Frasier episode where they meet their literary hero? One of my favs

    A Cranes Critique

    http://www.kacl780.net/frasier/transcripts/season_4/episode_4/a_cranes_critique.html
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    SeanT said:

    LucyJones said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule, tho

    5. It must me memorable and easily pronounceable, no overly obscure words

    6. It must not have been used before, in any significant way - increasingly hard, as 100,000 books are published in the UK alone every year

    7. It must not imply the book is horror or romance or chicklit or memoir


    Apart from that. its easy.



    The Only Child


    Been used. Also sounds like a self help book for parents.

    I'm being brutal here cause that's what my publishers do to me. Dismiss my ideas with a single phrase. Bastards!

    (I am very grateful for the ideas, tho! )
    The Ice Child/Children?
    Hey: hands off!! The Ice Child was my suggestion yesterday.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    eek said:

    Patrick said:

    Actually Spawn of Santa is ridiculously 'Chuckyish'. But reminds me of a fabulous true story:

    In the 1980s Japan ruled the world and Christmas was very trendy in Japan. The well known department store chain Sogu decided that their new Tokyo flagship store opening ceremony (in Dec) would be Christmas themed. So they got their PR people to investigate Christianity, Christmas, Santa, Jesus and all that stuff. They made a fabulous opening display in the lobby and hid it behind curtains. The chairman made his speech, cut the ribbon and the curtains fell back to reveal - Santa. Nailed to the cross!

    That's the same sort of story as the one that goes around regarding the rebranding of polytechnics as Universities back in the early 90's.

    My favourite ones were the discovery that there was no actual entity called Oxford University so the poly debated snagging it for about 5 minutes and the City University of Newcastle upon Tyne where the initialisation wasn't noticed until a letterhead was created...
    Allegedly Portsmouth Poly nearly became the South Hampshire Institute of Technology...
  • JenSJenS Posts: 91
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule,


    Apart from that. its easy.





    How about The Secret of the Scion?

    Can you adapt the story to fit the title?

    Maybe start with the title next time and write the story around it. I did that with an academic paper once to go in a compter journal. Came up with a title first in the coffee bar, High Level Languages for Low Level Users, and then with a colleague wrote a paper around it.
    I can definitely adapt the story to fit the right title. i did that with ICE TWINS. I changed the way the girls looked, halfway through writing, so they'd fit the title, as I knew it was a good title.

    Some titles are so good they come first, and then the story comes later.

    Scion is impossible. 75% of readers won't know what it means, the rest won't know to pronounce it.
    If you can't tell us the plot can you tell us major elements?

    Sure I can tell the plot, I explained yesterday but you probably missed it. Here ya go:

    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?
    Death By Christmas.
  • DimitryDimitry Posts: 49
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
    I imagine the internet will crash when Martin announces that he's delivered the manuscript to his publisher. I imagine that sales would be on a par with the Deathly Hallows.
    My editor is RR Martin's editor in the UK.

    I think the publishers are worried he's gonna keel over before delivering. Imagine the panic in the accounts dept.
    A bit of alliteration never went amiss. How about:
    A DARK DECEMBER
    or
    DARKENING DECEMBER
    ?

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756
    If he stands, he'll get my vote in the Tory leadership election

    http://goo.gl/GLOSZu
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited 2016 26
    I like the words 'seer' and 'oracle'. Maybe weave one in?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Tom Harris
    What I want to know is, who are the 0.2% of Falklanders who voted against? https://t.co/EGERJaqCmE
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,251
    isam said:

    Tomorrow night is Bercow Night at the St James Theatre...

    Matt Forde interviews John Bercow, w audience questions after.

    Anyone going? Anyone want me to ask him a question?

    What role should a politician's spouse play in politics? ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756
    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    LucyJones said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule, tho

    5. It must me memorable and easily pronounceable, no overly obscure words

    6. It must not have been used before, in any significant way - increasingly hard, as 100,000 books are published in the UK alone every year

    7. It must not imply the book is horror or romance or chicklit or memoir


    Apart from that. its easy.



    The Only Child


    Been used. Also sounds like a self help book for parents.

    I'm being brutal here cause that's what my publishers do to me. Dismiss my ideas with a single phrase. Bastards!

    (I am very grateful for the ideas, tho! )
    The Ice Child/Children?
    Hey: hands off!! The Ice Child was my suggestion yesterday.

    Just for you, Sean should have one the characters catch the tube and change at Baker Street
  • LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    SeanT said:

    Wanderer said:

    SeanT said:

    Jonathan said:

    The Innocent

    or

    Through child's eyes

    The innocent is a cool title, but famously used for a similar story.

    Fuck it, Spawn of Santa it is.
    How about "The Silent Night". Alludes to Christmas but not blatantly and sounds quite sinister.
    Been used a billion times.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=silent+night

    It's quite forgivable that you shouldn't google this first. Why bother?

    What gets me is that my agent and my publishers do this, too. They come up with an exciting suggestion which, when I go online, it turns out has been used 56,000 times before. Five seconds of work would have told them this, and saved everyone six minutes of life.

    Twats. My publishers are twats.

    I'm letting off steam here. Please don't tell anyone.

    Perfect Vision (could, of course, also be a book for ophthalmologists)



  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,755
    edited 2016 26

    If he stands, he'll get my vote in the Tory leadership election

    http://goo.gl/GLOSZu

    An excellent choice, the right honourable member for Shipley will go down very well with the membership. And the country too :)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,756
    Pulpstar said:

    If he stands, he'll get my vote in the Tory leadership election

    http://goo.gl/GLOSZu

    An excellent choice, the right honourable member for Shipley would go down very well with the membership.
    Only if the membership wanted to see Jeremy Corbyn become First Lord of the Treasury
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    The late Alan Coren was once scratching around for a title to an anthology of his articles in Punch. He found that the books that sold the most were about golf, cats or the Third Reich. He called his book, "Golfing for Cats" and had the cover art show a cat playing golf where the flags at each hole bore the Swastika. It sold very well.

    Perhaps Mr. T should spend some time researching the words used in the titles of recent fiction books and just cobble something together.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dimitry said:

    A bit of alliteration never went amiss. How about:
    A DARK DECEMBER
    or
    DARKENING DECEMBER
    ?

    What happened to

    The Shortening of Days ?

    Although I prefer The Shortening Days
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    JenS said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule,


    Apart from that. its easy.





    How about The Secret of the Scion?

    Can you adapt the story to fit the title?

    Maybe start with the title next time and write the story around it. I did that with an academic paper once to go in a compter journal. Came up with a title first in the coffee bar, High Level Languages for Low Level Users, and then with a colleague wrote a paper around it.
    I can definitely adapt the story to fit the right title. i did that with ICE TWINS. I changed the way the girls looked, halfway through writing, so they'd fit the title, as I knew it was a good title.

    Some titles are so good they come first, and then the story comes later.

    Scion is impossible. 75% of readers won't know what it means, the rest won't know to pronounce it.
    If you can't tell us the plot can you tell us major elements?

    Sure I can tell the plot, I explained yesterday but you probably missed it. Here ya go:

    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?
    Death By Christmas.
    Sounds a bit like an Agatha Christie or Dorothy Sayers title.
  • NorfolkTilIDieNorfolkTilIDie Posts: 1,268
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
    I imagine the internet will crash when Martin announces that he's delivered the manuscript to his publisher. I imagine that sales would be on a par with the Deathly Hallows.
    My editor is RR Martin's editor in the UK.

    I think the publishers are worried he's gonna keel over before delivering. Imagine the panic in the accounts dept.
    He's sure to kick the bucket before he does the final book.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I am genuinely grateful, nay touched, by all the suggestions, tho.

    Sincerely.

    *group hug for pb*

    I'd buy you all a cold beer but I'm in Bangkok.

    Does Roger get a cameo in this book too?
    No. I exhausted the possibilities of his personality with that tiny character in The ICE TWINS.
    Michael Crichton responded to a really bad review of one of his books by making the reviewer a child rapist in the next one.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    LucyJones said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule, tho

    5. It must me memorable and easily pronounceable, no overly obscure words

    6. It must not have been used before, in any significant way - increasingly hard, as 100,000 books are published in the UK alone every year

    7. It must not imply the book is horror or romance or chicklit or memoir


    Apart from that. its easy.



    The Only Child


    Been used. Also sounds like a self help book for parents.

    I'm being brutal here cause that's what my publishers do to me. Dismiss my ideas with a single phrase. Bastards!

    (I am very grateful for the ideas, tho! )
    The Ice Child/Children?
    Hey: hands off!! The Ice Child was my suggestion yesterday.

    Just for you, Sean should have one the characters catch the tube and change at Baker Street

    Ha ha!! That is nearer to the truth than you might think. Apparently, a recent incident in which I was involved - entirely innocent, I hasten to add - has been used as the start of a story being written for some erotic magazine. (I will forbear from telling you how until we meet at the next PB do.)

    Of course I know nothing of such things. But still ..... an artistic muse, at last!

    (That's one off the bucket list...... :)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Ice Cold Eyes

    Gets in an Ice theme alluding to the famous work by SKTremayne, a winter theme and the eyes.

    Also a song by seminal grunge band Husker Du:

    http://youtu.be/wpLXhssTD8o
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,420
    SeanT said:

    Sure I can tell the plot, I explained yesterday but you probably missed it. Here ya go:

    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?

    Lostwithnoel??
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    Dimitry said:

    A bit of alliteration never went amiss. How about:
    A DARK DECEMBER
    or
    DARKENING DECEMBER
    ?

    What happened to

    The Shortening of Days ?

    Although I prefer The Shortening Days
    I LOVED that title, and so did my agent, but my publishers LOATHED it. Too pompous, literary, blah blah. I could have forced it through but it's never a great thing to do, as it means the book doesn't have everyone behind it, willing it on.

    If I come up with nothing else, I may return to it as an option, or a reworked version thereof.

    Ok fuck this, I'm having a gin. Thanks again to all.
    Will it depict blood-eagling, Swedish boiling, or sexual assault by orang-utang?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I did consider renaming myself George RR Tolkien, and calling my next book Lord of the Thrones, but I'm reasonably sure that's considered cheating :p

    I like Winter in the title. Could suggest the end of something, such as the boy's innocence. Hmm.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,930
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    Shurely season based titles are daft. They restrict sales to one season. Like Christmas specials.

    Winter's Omen

    I'm guessing "The Winds of Winter" will be the best sold book of the next year or two.
    I imagine the internet will crash when Martin announces that he's delivered the manuscript to his publisher. I imagine that sales would be on a par with the Deathly Hallows.
    My editor is RR Martin's editor in the UK.

    I think the publishers are worried he's gonna keel over before delivering. Imagine the panic in the accounts dept.
    Another writer I know is very impressed with GRRM's approach for reducing the complexity of long running stories - by just killing some of the cast off whenever he wants to...
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    JenS said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings


    I just want to say thanks for all the TITLE suggestions yesterday. If I disappeared suddenly and in apparently ungrateful haste that's because I fell asleep - I'm 7 hours ahead in Bangkok.

    We still haven't found a title and its getting desperate and my publishers have nixed THE SHINING CHILD

    Sigh.

    FWIW the reason this is so hard, probably harder than any pb-ers realise, is that the title has to fit certain criteria


    1. It has to suit the genre, upmarket domestic literary thriller. I can't call it THE ILLUMINATI'S LAST AMULET. Neither can I give it a literary fiction title: THE UNBEARABLE LIGHTNESS OF NOVELS

    2. Ideally it has to give you a hefty clue as to the subject, and mention a character: child, wife, son, girl, boy, daughter, sister, twins, mother, lover, husband..

    3. It has to say "thriller" - give a hint of menace and tension

    4. It should be short. Five syllables is considered ideal. A brilliant title can break this rule,


    Apart from that. its easy.





    How about The Secret of the Scion?

    Can you adapt the story to fit the title?

    Maybe start with the title next time and write the story around it. I did that with an academic paper once to go in a compter journal. Came up with a title first in the coffee bar, High Level Languages for Low Level Users, and then with a colleague wrote a paper around it.
    I can definitely adapt the story to fit the right title. i did that with ICE TWINS. I changed the way the girls looked, halfway through writing, so they'd fit the title, as I knew it was a good title.

    Some titles are so good they come first, and then the story comes later.

    Scion is impossible. 75% of readers won't know what it means, the rest won't know to pronounce it.
    If you can't tell us the plot can you tell us major elements?

    Sure I can tell the plot, I explained yesterday but you probably missed it. Here ya go:

    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?
    Death By Christmas.
    Too Agatha Christie for our Mr T.

    How about The Beautiful Harbinger?
  • Good afternoon, everyone.

    I did consider renaming myself George RR Tolkien, and calling my next book Lord of the Thrones, but I'm reasonably sure that's considered cheating :p

    I like Winter in the title. Could suggest the end of something, such as the boy's innocence. Hmm.

    Noel loses his cherry

    Note the fiendishly clever Christmas allusion through the choice of name!
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    I like the words 'seer' and 'oracle'. Maybe weave one in?

    Too horror and supernatural.

    This is what my publishers do to me. No no no no no no. Too this, too that, too chicklit, too whatever. Trouble is they are usually right.
    What is the cover going to look like? Should the title follow the likely cover?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    I liked Paul Staines' response that they died fighting *against* the main European Project of the time.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    edited 2016 26
    The Eleventh Hour.

    No idea why, just came to me. Suggests time running out.

    Edited extra bit: bah, bet it's been used a thousand times before, though.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    new thread, new thread

  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Patrick said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I did consider renaming myself George RR Tolkien, and calling my next book Lord of the Thrones, but I'm reasonably sure that's considered cheating :p

    I like Winter in the title. Could suggest the end of something, such as the boy's innocence. Hmm.

    Noel loses his cherry

    Note the fiendishly clever Christmas allusion through the choice of name!
    Surely George RR Tolkien-Rowling and 'Harry, Lord of Thrones'??
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2016 26
    There's a lovely sad book about cricket with penguins IIRC. Long time since I read it c

    The late Alan Coren was once scratching around for a title to an anthology of his articles in Punch. He found that the books that sold the most were about golf, cats or the Third Reich. He called his book, "Golfing for Cats" and had the cover art show a cat playing golf where the flags at each hole bore the Swastika. It sold very well.

    Perhaps Mr. T should spend some time researching the words used in the titles of recent fiction books and just cobble something together.

    I'm
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Pulpstar said:

    If he stands, he'll get my vote in the Tory leadership election

    http://goo.gl/GLOSZu

    An excellent choice, the right honourable member for Shipley will go down very well with the membership. And the country too :)
    Redemption is an important concept, even if its hard to come by. I like to argue that Pulp Fiction is about redemption in the end.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244
    MTimT said:

    Patrick said:

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I did consider renaming myself George RR Tolkien, and calling my next book Lord of the Thrones, but I'm reasonably sure that's considered cheating :p

    I like Winter in the title. Could suggest the end of something, such as the boy's innocence. Hmm.

    Noel loses his cherry

    Note the fiendishly clever Christmas allusion through the choice of name!
    Surely George RR Tolkien-Rowling and 'Harry, Lord of Thrones'??
    You just need to start a rumour that you're just a pseudonym for Ms Rowling. The 'real' you is just someone to whom she pays a stipend to maintain the pretence.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,756
    SeanT said:

    eek said:

    SeanT said:



    Young stepmother moves into big old Cornish House with ancient Cornish family. Stepson - eight years old, clever, soulful, beautiful - starts acting strangely, predicting things. Then he predicts her death. By Christmas,

    The clock is ticking. the young stepmum urgently needs to discover, is he genuinely clairvoyant, or is he somehow troubled by the dark mysteries surrounding his mother's death, two years before?

    DARK CHRISTMAS
    CHRISTMAS IS COMING (Game of Thrones fans will know what you mean)
    or, combined...
    DARK CHRISTMAS IS COMING
    I can predict the reply to those suggestions - anything with Christmas in only sells in November / December?

    A Death Foretold?
    Yep. You can allude to Xmas but saying it is commercial death.

    Chronicle of a Death Foretold is a famous book
    Cancel Santa
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    A plot based on Scottish Nationalism and the teacakes army?
    Scott_P said:

    Dimitry said:

    A bit of alliteration never went amiss. How about:
    A DARK DECEMBER
    or
    DARKENING DECEMBER
    ?

    What happened to

    The Shortening of Days ?

    Although I prefer The Shortening Days
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    I like the words 'seer' and 'oracle'. Maybe weave one in?

    Too horror and supernatural.

    This is what my publishers do to me. No no no no no no. Too this, too that, too chicklit, too whatever. Trouble is they are usually right.
    What is the cover going to look like? Should the title follow the likely cover?
    If it's any help, the publishers are thinking of using this photo as the basis for the jacket. it's actually a photo I took, of a wintry lane leading from Pentillie Castle, in East Cornwall, towards a weird sarcophagus...

    https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/691984177776824321

    That's the mood. Gothic, sad, wintry, spooky, aristocratic but crumbling...
    how about

    bad tidings we bring

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