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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Omnium said:

    First year JCR President must mean getting elected in your first term surely? My point wasn't around his ability to get elected, apply, or do the (minor) job. It was the timing,

    Big bro's coat-tails, presumably.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    rcs1000 said:

    Sell Hillary!

    What, now?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    rcs1000 said:

    Sell Hillary!

    Benn 4 Leader! :lol:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,140
    Mortimer said:

    Omnium said:

    Mortimer said:

    Omnium said:

    I was looking at Ed's wiki page. I wondered what he was up to now. Reading through it though one thing caught my attention - How on earth did he get elected to JCR President in his first year?

    Ed's legacy is being undermined and in some cases demolished by Corbyn. No wonder Ed is lukewarm.

    From my experience, only 2 people per year want to be. It is quite a lot of work, with little gain of power or respect. My 3 JCR presidents could be described as :

    1 - Nice carefree chap, was JCR pres when I arrived but no-one else seemed to care about politics.
    2- Lefty crusader, but not overly offensive JCR pres because she really wanted to be and her friends were happy to attend to vote for her.
    3 - Lovely sensible centrist friend of mine, one of the fairest people I know - now a crusading (human rights etc) barrister. I can't remember who opposed her, but IIRC even he knew he wouldn't have a chance.

    In short - it tells you nothing about EdM.

    First year JCR President must mean getting elected in your first term surely? My point wasn't around his ability to get elected, apply, or do the (minor) job. It was the timing,
    Elections tend to happen for appointment the following year, or was it in fact that terms last from Trinity to Hilary, to avoid exams. I'm a little fuzzy.
    Ok, well if that's the pattern then I understand. I recalled (perhaps wrongly) that elections took place in the first term of the year.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    edited 2016 25
    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    Tories dealt whopping Lords defeat over their plot to axe child poverty targets

    What a load of rubbish.

    Measures are unimportant. The reality is. Trust the Lords to get twisted knickers about mere, bloody measures.
    Tories dealt whopping Lords defeat over their plot to axe child poverty targets
    Is this groundhog day?
    Campaigners were celebrating tonight as peers voted 290 to 198 to force the Work and Pensions Secretary to keep the measures.

    Apparently campaigners trying to tackle child poverty think its important PB Tory thinks its not

    That is Groundhog day
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    With regards to the previous thread I remember that night vividly and I think it was one of my best returns buying up Clinton at ridiculous odds. Almost as ridiculous as the odds being offered on a Tory majority at last years GE.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    It is measured relative to national median, and the idea that something can be legislated away is farcical.

    It was an elephant trap law when it was passed, and should be expunged. Can it not be done through an order in council?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    edited 2016 25
    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Mortimer said:

    Omnium said:

    Mortimer said:

    Omnium said:

    I was looking at Ed's wiki page. I wondered what he was up to now. Reading through it though one thing caught my attention - How on earth did he get elected to JCR President in his first year?

    Ed's legacy is being undermined and in some cases demolished by Corbyn. No wonder Ed is lukewarm.

    From my experience, only 2 people per year want to be. It is quite a lot of work, with little gain of power or respect. My 3 JCR presidents could be described as :

    1 - Nice carefree chap, was JCR pres when I arrived but no-one else seemed to care about politics.
    2- Lefty crusader, but not overly offensive JCR pres because she really wanted to be and her friends were happy to attend to vote for her.
    3 - Lovely sensible centrist friend of mine, one of the fairest people I know - now a crusading (human rights etc) barrister. I can't remember who opposed her, but IIRC even he knew he wouldn't have a chance.

    In short - it tells you nothing about EdM.

    First year JCR President must mean getting elected in your first term surely? My point wasn't around his ability to get elected, apply, or do the (minor) job. It was the timing,
    Elections tend to happen for appointment the following year, or was it in fact that JCR pres. terms last from Trinity to Hilary, to avoid exams. I'm a little fuzzy.
    Depends on college - we did 1/3 of posts in Easter term. Surprised if JCR Pres would be one of them, but ... eh.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,140

    Omnium said:

    First year JCR President must mean getting elected in your first term surely? My point wasn't around his ability to get elected, apply, or do the (minor) job. It was the timing,

    Big bro's coat-tails, presumably.
    Seems not though.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    Mr Duncan Smith announced plans last summer to drop the official figures , which count the proportion of children in homes with less than 60% of median average income.

    Instead the Tories wanted to define poverty by measuring the number of workless households and children's performance at school.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    Mr Duncan Smith announced plans last summer to drop the official figures , which count the proportion of children in homes with less than 60% of median average income.

    Instead the Tories wanted to define poverty by measuring the number of workless households and children's performance at school.
    Almost certainly better measures.

    Why are you so jubilant about not understanding poverty?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,140
    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    Adultery?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. Owls, relative poverty then, which is an utterly daft measure. If every millionaire in the country dropped dead, it'd decrease relative poverty despite those in it being no better off. If everybody in the UK had their real terms income doubled, relative poverty would remain unchanged despite the double-sized prosperity.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,251

    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
    Whereas Labour likes union members, and screw the rest of the public?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2016 25



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    Toby Perkins ‏@tobyperkinsmp 3m3 minutes ago
    Good job he's not losing money for it. But mirth as Ian Duncan Smith too late to vote -sanction him. #IDS

    Paula Sherriff MPVerified account
    @paulasherriff
    Collective snigger from all sides of the chamber as IDS rushes to the voting lobby only to have the door locked in his face
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    Yes
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,755
    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,234

    Toby Perkins ‏@tobyperkinsmp 3m3 minutes ago
    Good job he's not losing money for it. But mirth as Ian Duncan Smith too late to vote -sanction him. #IDS

    Paula Sherriff MPVerified account
    @paulasherriff
    Collective snigger from all sides of the chamber as IDS rushes to the voting lobby only to have the door locked in his face

    I thought it was a vote in the Lords, or is this a different one?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2016 25

    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
    Whereas Labour likes union members, and screw the rest of the public?
    Whichever way it's supporters would like to spin it, Labour love rich people too. Cheques from Bernie, Lord Levy's fundraising, cash from Lord Sainsbury, Islington luvvies donating to the new messiah etc

    It's hardly the party of the poor and downtrodden.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    RobD said:

    Toby Perkins ‏@tobyperkinsmp 3m3 minutes ago
    Good job he's not losing money for it. But mirth as Ian Duncan Smith too late to vote -sanction him. #IDS

    Paula Sherriff MPVerified account
    @paulasherriff
    Collective snigger from all sides of the chamber as IDS rushes to the voting lobby only to have the door locked in his face

    I thought it was a vote in the Lords, or is this a different one?
    Different one

    Bad day for IDS by the looks of it.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    Or

    Musicals tycoon Andrew Lloyd-Webber broke his near-silence in the House of Lords to vote for tax credit cuts for Britain's poorest people.

    The ultra-rich Tory peer took part in last night's crunch vote during a break from commitments in New York, where his School of Rock musical launches in two weeks.

    Previously he had voted just 30 times out of 1,898 during his most recent 14 years in the House of Lords, around 1.6%.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,140
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    Adultery?
    Well, I don't know. I didn't meet him personally. I liked him from what I knew.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    LondonBob said:

    http://nypost.com/2016/01/24/hillarys-team-copied-intel-off-top-secret-server-to-email/

    Another deliberate leak designed by the leaker(s) to block Obama's ability to suppress the FBI investigation, as well as DOJ action against Clinton and her immediate personal staff. This article, and the implied threat of more such leaks, effectively shuts out the possibility of a POTUS intervention in the investigation.

    It will be surprising if there are not indictments.

    From your link:

    In one email, Clinton pressured Sullivan to declassify cabled remarks by a foreign leader.

    “Just email it,” Clinton snapped, to which Sullivan replied: “Trust me, I share your exasperation. But until ops converts it to the unclassified email system, there is no physical way for me to email it.”

    In another recently released email, Clinton instructed Sullivan to convert a classified document into an unclassified email attachment by scanning it into an unsecured computer and sending it to her without any classified markings. “Turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” she ordered.


    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    Can someone explain to me why she was doing this?

    Was it to benefit from the information, or was she just fed up with the system?

    I think to avoid Freedom of Information release of her emails.

    Which seems crazy.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    He gave £3.5 million to an Arts college.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362
    EPG said:

    Corbyn has once again forever lost the PB Tory vote with this Trident thing

    Worrying, as the pbTories got him elected....
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034

    Charles said:

    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.
    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't be time for others to enter the race and he'd hoover up so many delegates that there couldn't be a brokered convention.

    3. Late. Between the primaries and the convention. Assuming that Sanders doesn't win conventionally, we're talking brokered convention here: joy. My guess would be it'll still be Sanders going on current numbers but if his campaign peters out, which is quite possible, and the smoking gun isn't found until late, then there'll be plenty of senior Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774

    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    Or

    Musicals tycoon Andrew Lloyd-Webber broke his near-silence in the House of Lords to vote for tax credit cuts for Britain's poorest people.

    The ultra-rich Tory peer took part in last night's crunch vote during a break from commitments in New York, where his School of Rock musical launches in two weeks.

    Previously he had voted just 30 times out of 1,898 during his most recent 14 years in the House of Lords, around 1.6%.
    "Don't Cry For Me Baroness Tina"
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Mr. Owls, relative poverty then, which is an utterly daft measure. If every millionaire in the country dropped dead, it'd decrease relative poverty despite those in it being no better off. If everybody in the UK had their real terms income doubled, relative poverty would remain unchanged despite the double-sized prosperity.

    Relative poverty is not a measure of poverty, it is an acceptable measure of equality.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    Or

    Musicals tycoon Andrew Lloyd-Webber broke his near-silence in the House of Lords to vote for tax credit cuts for Britain's poorest people.

    The ultra-rich Tory peer took part in last night's crunch vote during a break from commitments in New York, where his School of Rock musical launches in two weeks.

    Previously he had voted just 30 times out of 1,898 during his most recent 14 years in the House of Lords, around 1.6%.
    Perhaps he thought cutting tax credits might incentivise work and all the benefits that entails for the individual, family and the country at large.

    Mind-blowing, isn't it.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838

    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
    If I were poor I would hope for a Labour government. But Labour is no longer interested in getting elected.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    Mr Duncan Smith announced plans last summer to drop the official figures , which count the proportion of children in homes with less than 60% of median average income.

    Instead the Tories wanted to define poverty by measuring the number of workless households and children's performance at school.
    So tell us what has happened to child poverty on the *agreed* basis for measuring child poverty in the 2010 act? Since the act came into force there has been two releases of figures. Please enlighten us....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,138
    Mr. T, sounds a bit too like The Shining [title-wise, never read The Shining].

    Wouldn't grab me, but I tend not to read mystery novels [if you wrote one about Alexander the Great's corpse being hunted, I'd read that].
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    Or

    Musicals tycoon Andrew Lloyd-Webber broke his near-silence in the House of Lords to vote for tax credit cuts for Britain's poorest people.

    The ultra-rich Tory peer took part in last night's crunch vote during a break from commitments in New York, where his School of Rock musical launches in two weeks.

    Previously he had voted just 30 times out of 1,898 during his most recent 14 years in the House of Lords, around 1.6%.
    Perhaps he thought cutting tax credits might incentivise work and all the benefits that entails for the individual, family and the country at large.

    Mind-blowing, isn't it.
    Or maybe the multi-millionaire was trying to create 'his own Les Miserables'
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited 2016 25
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    A mix between "The Golden Child" and "The Shining"?

    Really?

    How about just going with the child's first name? "George" or whatever it is*

    * Although Viscount Tonypandy got there first for his autobiography. Although why the F my brain chose to retain that nugget of information I have no f...ing idea.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    watford30 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
    Whereas Labour likes union members, and screw the rest of the public?
    Whichever way it's supporters would like to spin it, Labour love rich people too. Cheques from Bernie, Lord Levy's fundraising, cash from Lord Sainsbury, Islington luvvies donating to the new messiah etc

    It's hardly the party of the poor and downtrodden.
    All parties love rich people! The LibDems love Paul Marshall; UKIP loves Stuart Wheeler...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    edited 2016 25
    Awesome title from an HSBC research note on the oil industry today: Now in the Winter of our discount Brent
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,251
    An interesting Panorama on at 20.30 tonight; it might be of interest to LondonBob and Luckyguy83:
    http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dywz4n/panorama--putins-secret-riches---panorama

    It might be related to this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35385445
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    rcs1000 said:

    watford30 said:

    Mortimer said:

    Whoppinger than anyone could have expected!!

    Lloyd Webber too bust to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    BJO, do you think Tories dislike poor people?

    Can you not contemplate the idea that they'd rather focus on improving people's lives than making stupid laws?
    I think they like richer people more especially those that donate to party funds.
    Whereas Labour likes union members, and screw the rest of the public?
    Whichever way it's supporters would like to spin it, Labour love rich people too. Cheques from Bernie, Lord Levy's fundraising, cash from Lord Sainsbury, Islington luvvies donating to the new messiah etc

    It's hardly the party of the poor and downtrodden.
    All parties love rich people! The LibDems love Paul Marshall; UKIP loves Stuart Wheeler...
    The LibDems loved Michael Brown too. And everyone else's money he gave them, that they refused to return.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,154
    edited 2016 25

    Charles said:

    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.
    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't be time for others to enter the race and he'd hoover up so many delegates that there couldn't be a brokered convention.

    3. Late. Between the primaries and the convention. Assuming that Sanders doesn't win conventionally, we're talking brokered convention here: joy. My guess would be it'll still be Sanders going on current numbers but if his campaign peters out, which is quite possible, and the smoking gun isn't found until late, then there'll be plenty of senior Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,774
    notme said:

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    Mr Duncan Smith announced plans last summer to drop the official figures , which count the proportion of children in homes with less than 60% of median average income.

    Instead the Tories wanted to define poverty by measuring the number of workless households and children's performance at school.
    So tell us what has happened to child poverty on the *agreed* basis for measuring child poverty in the 2010 act? Since the act came into force there has been two releases of figures. Please enlighten us....
    Good job on Annual Publication as required by the new law then eh?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    A mix between "The Golden Child" and "The Shining"?

    Really?
    It could be worse, the original plan was Full Metal 2001
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    An interesting Panorama on at 20.30 tonight; it might be of interest to LondonBob and Luckyguy83:
    http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dywz4n/panorama--putins-secret-riches---panorama

    It might be related to this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35385445

    Don't worry, they've been sent the email with their rebuttal points and will repeat them ad nauseum tomorrow. Also, I don't think it's easy to watch Panorama from St Petersberg.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    rcs1000 said:

    An interesting Panorama on at 20.30 tonight; it might be of interest to LondonBob and Luckyguy83:
    http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dywz4n/panorama--putins-secret-riches---panorama

    It might be related to this story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35385445

    Don't worry, they've been sent the email with their rebuttal points and will repeat them ad nauseum tomorrow. Also, I don't think it's easy to watch Panorama from St Petersberg.
    They must have a Slingbox in a London safe house.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Mr. T, sounds a bit too like The Shining [title-wise, never read The Shining].

    Wouldn't grab me, but I tend not to read mystery novels [if you wrote one about Alexander the Great's corpse being hunted, I'd read that].

    One of the main problems for my publishers is that it is too close to a more recent, successful thriller - THE SHINING GIRLS

    Stephen King is like, oh, last Millennium, for them.
    In The Shadows
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,755
    watford30 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    He gave £3.5 million to an Arts college.
    Can't possibly be true Watford, Owls has reliably informed me he takes from the poor to give to himself.

    And that's that.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ST ...Scary kid..Part one..
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    I would say bad to be perfectly honest.

    I think it's reminiscent of The Shining and if a title seems unoriginal people (who haven't read you before) may think the book is too.

    It does have a literary ring to it too though. I think that's the effect of the word "child".

    On the plus side child connects with "twins" and I can see why that would make sense.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,062
    Lucky the pollsters have been comprehensively rubbished or it would be curtains for Corbyn.

    (Disclaimer; I've just promised my vote for the local election to a canvasser from the Lib Dems)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,641
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Roger said:

    Lucky the pollsters have been comprehensively rubbished or it would be curtains for Corbyn.

    (Disclaimer; I've just promised my vote for the local election to a canvasser from the Lib Dems)

    Was she pretty? :sunglasses:
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    Hmm not sure. I originally wrote that the three-word format's fine but that I wasn't sold on 'Shining', which as Morris Dancer says, has other connotations.

    However, having tried to find a right word - The Prescient Child? The Prophetic Child? (not too keen on that - sounds too like 'pathetic') The Auric Child? (not keen either - sounds like a spiritualist guide to childhood) - I'm not sure there is one, meaning that perhaps the structure doesn't work after all.

    Then again, I don't know whether you're punning on 'Shining'.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    watford30 said:



    Lloyd Webber too busy to vote apparently and he loves bashing the poor!!

    Can you give us an example of that, to illustrate your point?
    He took £3.5 million from an Arts college:

    http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/nov/08/lloyd-webber-performing-arts-school

    He should probably just go and join the Tories.
    He gave £3.5 million to an Arts college.
    Can't possibly be true Watford, Owls has reliably informed me he takes from the poor to give to himself.

    And that's that.
    Didn't Owls have something to do with the NHS's perilous financial state? It explains a lot, if he gets adding and subtracting confused.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    The Brooding? The Brooding Boy?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    rcs1000 said:

    Awesome title from an HSBC research note on the oil industry today: Now in the Winter of our discount Brent

    Nice try, but a little crude…
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    ST..SCARY KID.Part one..the Pre Sequel
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    notme said:

    Mr. Owls, are those targets absolute or relative poverty?

    Mr Duncan Smith announced plans last summer to drop the official figures , which count the proportion of children in homes with less than 60% of median average income.

    Instead the Tories wanted to define poverty by measuring the number of workless households and children's performance at school.
    So tell us what has happened to child poverty on the *agreed* basis for measuring child poverty in the 2010 act? Since the act came into force there has been two releases of figures. Please enlighten us....
    Good job on Annual Publication as required by the new law then eh?
    so no comments on the breathtaking reductions in child poverty then?
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034
    HYUFD said:

    Charles said:

    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.
    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't be time for others to enter the race and he'd hoover up so many delegates that there couldn't be a brokered convention.

    3. Late. Between the primaries and the convention. Assuming that Sanders doesn't win conventionally, we're talking brokered convention here: joy. My guess would be it'll still be Sanders going on current numbers but if his campaign peters out, which is quite possible, and the smoking gun isn't found until late, then there'll be plenty of senior Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    I agree that The Shining Child sounds a bit "random title generator" for that sort of book... to be honest I quite like The Prediction.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,154

    HYUFD said:

    Charles said:

    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.
    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't be time for others to enter the race and he'd hoover up so many delegates that there couldn't be a brokered convention.

    3. Late. Between the primaries and the convention. Assuming that Sanders doesn't win conventionally, we're talking brokered convention here: joy. My guess would be it'll still be Sanders going on current numbers but if his campaign peters out, which is quite possible, and the smoking gun isn't found until late, then there'll be plenty of senior Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
    Indeed though if she loses Iowa and NH Sanders is still likely to be the nominee if he wins the Northeast, Midwest and West even if Hillary wins most of the southern states
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,234
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about "The Scary Prognosticating Kid" ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,362
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    THE PORTENT? THE AUGURY?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,234

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    THE PORTENT? THE AUGURY?
    Call the kid Roger, then it can be ROGERDAMUS!
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Scary Kid would fly off the shelves..
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited 2016 25
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.

    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't be time for others to enter the race and he'd hoover up so many delegates that there couldn't be a brokered convention.

    3. Late. Between the primaries and the convention. Assuming that Sanders doesn't win conventionally, we're talking brokered convention here: joy. My guess would be it'll still be Sanders going on current numbers but if his campaign peters out, which is quite possible, and the smoking gun isn't found until late, then there'll be plenty of senior Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
    Indeed though if she loses Iowa and NH Sanders is still likely to be the nominee if he wins the Northeast, Midwest and West even if Hillary wins most of the southern states
    That's quite a big 'if' though (assuming no formal legal moves vs Hillary). I could see a sweep of wins on March 1 kicking off a media narrative that Sanders had had a good run but it stops here, once the race got big and the momentum moving back to her. All the same, it'd take a while to play through.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    Original thoughts from a questionable child...?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    The Foretold might be better
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    The Foretold might be better
    Or "The Forseen"
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    Adultery?
    He treated his daughter by Sara Keays shamefully,

    People have affairs and sometimes have children as a result. But to do what he did - effectively to try and wipe all record of her existence from official records through a special type of court order (a "Mary Bell" order) - seems to me quite horrible. I don't blame him for not leaving his wife but having fathered a child he owed his child a moral obligation - not to pretend that his child did not exist.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    The Foretold might be better
    Or "The Forseen"
    Oohhhh... I like it
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346

    rcs1000 said:

    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    The Foretold might be better
    Or "The Forseen"
    "The forewarned"?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    edited 2016 25
    SeanT said:

    Wanderer said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    I would say bad to be perfectly honest.

    I think it's reminiscent of The Shining and if a title seems unoriginal people (who haven't read you before) may think the book is too.

    It does have a literary ring to it too though. I think that's the effect of the word "child".

    On the plus side child connects with "twins" and I can see why that would make sense.
    Point taken. I want honest answers. Ta.
    "The Ice Child" ??

    Edited: The base reason - may get the same readership as The Ice Twins. More literary reason: Ice sparkles and shines so may have the same effect as your initial suggestion, which I didn't like. Also "Ice" sounds mysterious. Whereas a Shining Child sounds like a fat sweaty one.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Cyclefree said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    Adultery?
    He treated his daughter by Sara Keays shamefully,

    People have affairs and sometimes have children as a result. But to do what he did - effectively to try and wipe all record of her existence from official records through a special type of court order (a "Mary Bell" order) - seems to me quite horrible. I don't blame him for not leaving his wife but having fathered a child he owed his child a moral obligation - not to pretend that his child did not exist.

    Really, Did he? How do you know? His daughter says so, but how much of that was influenced by the mother? If you are prepared to believe he promised he would leave his wife and then reneged, them you enter into different realms.. To easy to judge others by reading what the Daily Mail says.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,154
    edited 2016 25

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.

    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
    Indeed though if she loses Iowa and NH Sanders is still likely to be the nominee if he wins the Northeast, Midwest and West even if Hillary wins most of the southern states
    That's quite a big 'if' though (assuming no formal legal moves vs Hillary). I could see a sweep of wins on March 1 kicking off a media narrative that Sanders had had a good run but it stops here, once the race got big and the momentum moving back to her. All the same, it'd take a while to play through.
    On March 1 there are primaries in Colorado and Massachusetts, Vermont and Minnesota amongst others all of which Sanders is likely to win it is unlikely to be a Clinton clean sweep
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034
    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    That's much better. It has more of a dynamic feel to it as well, whereas The Prediction is lumpenly singular.

    You might think about the child's name. "Damien's Foretelling", or whoever. Obviously it's not Damien, which I'm using for comic effect, but as long as the name is unusual enough to stand out, it'd work.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,154
    RIP Cecil Parkinson but for his affair he may even have succeeded Thatcher
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244

    Charles said:

    If this is accurate, how could it not lead to an indictment?

    IANAL, but it suggests intent, foreknowledge that the information was classified, presumably conspiracy, malfeasance and lots of other goodies.

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.
    If she doesn't and Trump is the nominee then their head-to-head debates will be interesting. Trump could just read out those emails quoted below.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    edited 2016 25
    Pulpstar said:
    The story below it about the boozy duck in a bow tie having a fight with a dog down the pub is even better!! Hopefully it's recovering!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,034
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.

    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins Iowa and/or South Carolina she will battle on regardless, they will have to literally put her in jail to stop her and even then she might still continue on if she had enough delegates and she is still competitive with Trump in the polls (especially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
    Indeed though if she loses Iowa and NH Sanders is still likely to be the nominee if he wins the Northeast, Midwest and West even if Hillary wins most of the southern states
    That's quite a big 'if' though (assuming no formal legal moves vs Hillary). I could see a sweep of wins on March 1 kicking off a media narrative that Sanders had had a good run but it stops here, once the race got big and the momentum moving back to her. All the same, it'd take a while to play through.
    On March 1 there are primaries in Colorado and Massachusetts, Vermont and Minnesota amongst others all of which Sanders is likely to win it is unlikely to be a Clinton clean sweep
    Certainly not if Sanders has won two or three of the first four, anyway. But all the same, if Hillary does sweep the Southern states - which is possible - it'd be difficult to describe the night as anything other than a 'win' for her.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    That's much better. It has more of a dynamic feel to it as well, whereas The Prediction is lumpenly singular.

    You might think about the child's name. "Damien's Foretelling", or whoever. Obviously it's not Damien, which I'm using for comic effect, but as long as the name is unusual enough to stand out, it'd work.
    Where's Sean T gone then? Our judge has vamoosed?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,883
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    The Demon Child. Or Child of Chemosh.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    Adultery?
    He treated his daughter by Sara Keays shamefully,

    People have affairs and sometimes have children as a result. But to do what he did - effectively to try and wipe all record of her existence from official records through a special type of court order (a "Mary Bell" order) - seems to me quite horrible. I don't blame him for not leaving his wife but having fathered a child he owed his child a moral obligation - not to pretend that his child did not exist.

    Really, Did he? How do you know? His daughter says so, but how much of that was influenced by the mother? If you are prepared to believe he promised he would leave his wife and then reneged, them you enter into different realms.. To easy to judge others by reading what the Daily Mail says.
    I specifically did not criticise him for leaving his wife. If you have an affair with a married man with children, you do so at your own risk.

    But I can see no reason for a Mary Bell order which had the effect that his child could not even appear in school photographs. Imagine that: not being allowed to have any record of your existence as a child and your school achievements because your father does not want to know of your existence and does not want anyone else to know of it either.

    It speaks of someone with money and access to legal advice using that power to crush an innocent child and her mother, a woman with whom he had been having an affair for a number of years, so not some one-off drunken fling.

    There are dignified ways of dealing with one's obligations - and he did have a moral obligation to the child he fathered - even when there are conflicts between your wife and family and your "love child". I don't think seeking an order normally used for child criminals in such circumstances is either dignified or moral.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,154

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    That was my reaction as well. I think we certainly have to take seriously the possibility that Hillary might have to withdraw.

    Suppose she does. There are three basic time periods that influence the race's outcome (excluding the dynamics that the scandal itself has).

    1. Early. Before Super Tuesday. This gives time for Biden and others to register and enter the late contests. They won't be able to contest the majority of primaries but it wouldn't necessarily give Sanders a clear run, particularly as Hillary's name would still be on the ballots and could be used to send Hillary's delegates to the convention unpledged.

    2. Mid. During the primaries but into March. This pretty much gives Sanders the nomination. There wouldn't Democrats wanting a more centrist candidate. Again, it'd be dependent on Hillary's released delegates.
    If Sanders wins Iowa and NH he is probably nominee anyway so Hillary's emails are irrelevant, if she wins ecially as there are plenty of skeletons in his closet too)
    Hillary's firewall is South Carolina. She can lose Iowa and NH as long as it's close, and perhaps Nevada too as long as she comes back in SC. Super Tuesday is South-heavy and a win in SC would set her up to come back into the race. If her firewall falls and she goes down there too then it really is all over.
    Indeed though if she loses Iowa and NH Sanders is still likely to be the nominee if he wins the Northeast, Midwest and West even if Hillary wins most of the southern states
    That's quite a big 'if' though (assuming no formal legal moves vs Hillary). I could see a sweep of wins on March 1 kicking off a media narrative that Sanders had had a good run but it stops here, once the race got big and the momentum moving back to her. All the same, it'd take a while to play through.
    On March 1 there are primaries in Colorado and Massachusetts, Vermont and Minnesota amongst others all of which Sanders is likely to win it is unlikely to be a Clinton clean sweep
    Certainly not if Sanders has won two or three of the first four, anyway. But all the same, if Hillary does sweep the Southern states - which is possible - it'd be difficult to describe the night as anything other than a 'win' for her.
    She may spin it that way but she cannot win with the South alone
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,244
    welshowl said:

    welshowl said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    THE SPICE TWINS
    Genius, but unusable.

    At the moment the book is called


    THE PREDICTION

    Which is OK, and apt, but really rather dull
    How about The Foretelling - same thing but obviously more Anglo Saxon, bit of darker feel to it??
    That's much better. It has more of a dynamic feel to it as well, whereas The Prediction is lumpenly singular.

    You might think about the child's name. "Damien's Foretelling", or whoever. Obviously it's not Damien, which I'm using for comic effect, but as long as the name is unusual enough to stand out, it'd work.
    Where's Sean T gone then? Our judge has vamoosed?
    'Mother Vamoose'?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    Lustrous child?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    'An Unearthly Child' has already been done - 50 years ago.

    But maybe 'The Haunted Child' is still free.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,109
    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    Point 1: do not call it the "Shining" anything: it'll be compared to "The Shining".
    Point 2: possible alternate titles include:

    * Tiyanak - vampiric creature in Philippine mythology that imitates the form of a child. Thought to be the ghost child of a woman who died in the forest during childbirth. Also known as a patianak or muntianak
    * Pontianak - a vampiric ghost in Malay and Indonesian mythology. It is also known as a matianak or kuntilanak, sometimes shortened to kunti. The pontianak are said to be the spirits of women who died while pregnant.
    * Lang suir - the ghost of a woman who died while giving birth
    * Succedaneum - a substitute, replacement for something else, particularly of a medicine used in place of another

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiyanak
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontianak_(folklore)
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/succedaneum
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,184

    I get the feeling the corpse of Sir Edward Heath would win a majority against Corbyn.

    I would probably be more likely to vote for Sir Edward Heath (deceased) than I ever was when he was alive.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    Corbyn's Child?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    Lab Peers turning out more in the Lords - they had an exceptional 84% last week on the Trade Union Bill - shows they can deliver that kind of level if they really care about the issue.

    Now today they had 71% - not spectacular but a bit higher than the 66% ish level they have had on some important votes in recent months.

    Con peers were 72% today - significantly lower than the 80% area they have hit several times recently - so they didn't make a big effort today. They would have lost today anyway given the Crossbenchers were heavily with Lab.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,109
    FPT

    SeanT said:

    Greetings, greetings.

    PB Brainstorm needed.

    I have a proposed title for my next Tremayne mystery novel, a la Du Maurier

    THE SHINING CHILD

    It's about a young new wife who moves in with a rich old family. Her beautiful, confused, eight year old stepson, the only child in the family, seems a bit odd. Is it because he has some gift and can foresee danger, or because he is secretly troubled by the way his mother really died?

    Good title or bad? Honest answers v welcome. Too genre, too literary, too indicative, or just fine?

    Opinions here are interestingly divided, but I won't say how, yet.

    'An Unearthly Child' has already been done - 50 years ago.

    But maybe 'The Haunted Child' is still free.
    well, if we are going to riff off Doctor Who story titles, that gives us...

    The Faceless One
    The Mind of Evil
    The Daemon
    The Visitation
    The Awakening
    Ghost Light
    The Unquiet Dead
    The Empty Child
    The Family of Blood
    Cold Blood
    The Rebel Flesh
    Hide
    Sleep No More
    Face the Raven
    Heaven Sent
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,838
    re the Mary Bell order, I find it difficult to believe such a thing can be proposed let alone enacted. No longer Mr Nice Guy.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Omnium said:

    Hats off to Cecil Parkinson.

    The sort of politician that makes politics an acceptable profession.

    A smarmy odious little creep. Bloody good riddance as he joins Thatcher in the pits of Hell!
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