'Corbyn won a democratic election and he needs to be given the space to do his job.'
So did Cameron. Should he be given a free ride on everything he wants, including things not in his manifesto?
'It seemed self-evident that a Westminster coup that led to Corbyn being re-elected by the membership would make Labour’s hole even deeper.'
On the contrary, it would signal Labour are not a bunch of self-indulgent and rather sinister lunatics happy to carp from the fringes of politics (which ironically is what you accuse Hodges of doing) but are serious about getting into power and transforming the country.
'The “din” is also obscuring the fact that Corbyn’s frontbench teams are taking the fight to the Tories and winning arguments on the economy, health, housing, home affairs and climate change. Corbyn supporters and opponents from the leadership battle are working well together.'
Would it be too much to ask for any concrete examples? Because I must admit, although I have been very busy and may have missed something my impression is every single one of these issues has led to notable defeats for Labour. The only minor victory they could claim is tax credits - and the campaign against that was actually led by the Liberal Democrats, which gives you some idea of how effectual and relevant the Corbyn-led Labour party is.
'It’s an argument for taking the long view and for engagement. There’s a good word for claiming to be a progressive then walking away from a fight. It’s “spineless.”
Yes. And that is exactly what Labour is doing. Jeremy Corbyn has as much chance of making a positive, practical difference to the lives of the British people as I have of getting a date with Daisy Ridley, because he will never win an election and as a result gives the Conservatives more or less free rein to do what they like. If Labour really wish to fight, rather than posture with their usual disingenuous self-righteousness, they have to ditch a man who has spent much of his leadership career to date explaining his links to murderers, neo-Nazis and paedophiles in favour of somebody who might win an election. Of the 231 other Labour MPs, approximately 200 are more likely to do this than Corbyn.
Or to put it another way - I voted Labour in May. I didn't particularly rate the candidate (he was a fool) or the party (Miliband was as arrogant as Cameron and completely unselfaware, which is not in fairness one of Cameron's faults) but at least, unlike the Conservatives, he bothered to campaign. I will not vote Labour again until Corbyn is defenestrated and the lingering poison he leaves behind has been purged. If you wish to convince yourself otherwise, feel free, but you are merely destroying your political movement by hubris.
What I would have said had I bothered to read Mr Brind's weekly PPB.
DavidL..The Italians love the UK..all of it ... but a lot of the students have their sights set further afield..these are the fortunate ones..the brighter and better educated ones..and it is a major loss to the EU and Italy in particular..they do not see the EU as being the great job creator that the likes of Surbiton claim it to be...and they have no time to waste until the EU sorts itself out...
With our current EU status and the freedom of movement those talented Italians can move here easier than any other English speaking countries (bar Ireland I suppose).
Sometimes people ask: what do we get out of the EU? One thing for certain is we get a lot of hardworking ambitious talented people.
Speaking after the verdicts were returned, Judge Roger Thomas QC told the court that the defendants had treated the proceedings with “contempt and arrogance”.
He said: “Having watched you all over the course of the last seven weeks, I think I have a good understanding of your attitudes.
“In 40 years of practice, I have never seen a dock that has been as insolent and disrespectful as this one.
“I have the poorest of opinions about the defendants.”
It's just as well that South Yorkshire police weren't involved. They'd probably have arrested the victim.
Just a little pointer re employment in the EU..My wife and myself are involved in an English Language Teaching school..In the new year we will be expanding the student teaching areas threefold..This is to accommodate the massive surge in young people and a few older ones ..who desperately want to learn English...in the majority of cases it is to facilitate a move from Europe to anywhere in the English speaking world..They don't seem to give a hoot for Surbitons Workers Rights..they just need a job..
Jut to annoy TSE, am about to sit down and watch The Hateful Eight.....
When you’re flying on a commercial plane capable of carrying hundreds of passengers, you never know who’s going to be seated next to you. As passengers on a recent flight in the US found out, it could be a seatmate you’d least expect – but happily sit next to.
Those travellers received quite a surprise when a large German shepherd had its own seat in the cabin
And a bulkhead seat at that (not that I like bulkhead seats, but others seem to).
Not sure how Aoife would do. Our shepherds nearly all seem to have ear issues ...
BTW, following Zopher's loss to cancer this summer, we have a new addition to the family which is quite ridiculous - a shorty black and tan Jack Russell, known in the States as an Irish Hunt Terrier. Only 20 weeks old and ridiculous in every way. Latches on to Aoife's scruff, lip, ear or tail and won't let go, but she walks around almost as if he doesn't have his teeth sunk into her. Occasionally, she picks him up by putting his whole head in her mouth and carting him around thus. Bernie, short for Bernoulli, as his legs are so short he has to fly over the grass.
DavidL..The Italians love the UK..all of it ... but a lot of the students have their sights set further afield..these are the fortunate ones..the brighter and better educated ones..and it is a major loss to the EU and Italy in particular..they do not see the EU as being the great job creator that the likes of Surbiton claim it to be...and they have no time to waste until the EU sorts itself out...
DavidL..The Italians love the UK..all of it ... but a lot of the students have their sights set further afield..these are the fortunate ones..the brighter and better educated ones..and it is a major loss to the EU and Italy in particular..they do not see the EU as being the great job creator that the likes of Surbiton claim it to be...and they have no time to waste until the EU sorts itself out...
Youth unemployment in Italy reached 44.2% in July, Greece was 53.2 and Spain was 49.2% (an improvement). This month our youth unemployment reached a 9 year low and we had 747,000 vacancies (not even including the Chelsea manager's post). Anyone who thinks we are going to reduce immigration in such a scenario is deluding themselves.
FXK You miss the point They all want to get out of the EU...including the UK..they want to move far away..it is the common theme..Enough nonsense they say..and they will be lost to us..
Speaking after the verdicts were returned, Judge Roger Thomas QC told the court that the defendants had treated the proceedings with “contempt and arrogance”.
He said: “Having watched you all over the course of the last seven weeks, I think I have a good understanding of your attitudes.
“In 40 years of practice, I have never seen a dock that has been as insolent and disrespectful as this one.
“I have the poorest of opinions about the defendants.”
It's just as well that South Yorkshire police weren't involved. They'd probably have arrested the victim.
Keighley was the place that led to a famous arrest a decade ago:
Speaking after the verdicts were returned, Judge Roger Thomas QC told the court that the defendants had treated the proceedings with “contempt and arrogance”.
He said: “Having watched you all over the course of the last seven weeks, I think I have a good understanding of your attitudes.
“In 40 years of practice, I have never seen a dock that has been as insolent and disrespectful as this one.
“I have the poorest of opinions about the defendants.”
It's just as well that South Yorkshire police weren't involved. They'd probably have arrested the victim.
Keighley was the place that led to a famous arrest a decade ago:
When you’re flying on a commercial plane capable of carrying hundreds of passengers, you never know who’s going to be seated next to you. As passengers on a recent flight in the US found out, it could be a seatmate you’d least expect – but happily sit next to.
Those travellers received quite a surprise when a large German shepherd had its own seat in the cabin
And a bulkhead seat at that (not that I like bulkhead seats, but others seem to).
Not sure how Aoife would do. Our shepherds nearly all seem to have ear issues ...
BTW, following Zopher's loss to cancer this summer, we have a new addition to the family which is quite ridiculous - a shorty black and tan Jack Russell, known in the States as an Irish Hunt Terrier. Only 20 weeks old and ridiculous in every way. Latches on to Aoife's scruff, lip, ear or tail and won't let go, but she walks around almost as if he doesn't have his teeth sunk into her. Occasionally, she picks him up by putting his whole head in her mouth and carting him around thus. Bernie, short for Bernoulli, as his legs are so short he has to fly over the grass.
Speaking after the verdicts were returned, Judge Roger Thomas QC told the court that the defendants had treated the proceedings with “contempt and arrogance”.
He said: “Having watched you all over the course of the last seven weeks, I think I have a good understanding of your attitudes.
“In 40 years of practice, I have never seen a dock that has been as insolent and disrespectful as this one.
“I have the poorest of opinions about the defendants.”
It's just as well that South Yorkshire police weren't involved. They'd probably have arrested the victim.
Keighley was the place that led to a famous arrest a decade ago:
Don Brind is correct the Labour party is indeed a broad church, as are all the main political parties.
The problem for Labour is the Jezzbollah sect have the party by the cassocks and the wider voting public are simply not going to light the fire for white smoke to billow from the 10 Downing Street chimney in favour of electing red Cardinal Corbyn.
The harsh reality is that the Conservatives are presently the only game in town and their electoral hegemony looks set to run for the medium term and certainly until Labour is rid of its' turbulent priest at the top.
You are correct. The corbyn sect is a broad church which reembraces Livingstone!
Lord Ken Livingstone I presume ....
:-) Yes. I would not be surprised if he has not got some bogus doctorate from some loopy lefty university
When you’re flying on a commercial plane capable of carrying hundreds of passengers, you never know who’s going to be seated next to you. As passengers on a recent flight in the US found out, it could be a seatmate you’d least expect – but happily sit next to.
Those travellers received quite a surprise when a large German shepherd had its own seat in the cabin
And a bulkhead seat at that (not that I like bulkhead seats, but others seem to).
Not sure how Aoife would do. Our shepherds nearly all seem to have ear issues ...
BTW, following Zopher's loss to cancer this summer, we have a new addition to the family which is quite ridiculous - a shorty black and tan Jack Russell, known in the States as an Irish Hunt Terrier. Only 20 weeks old and ridiculous in every way. Latches on to Aoife's scruff, lip, ear or tail and won't let go, but she walks around almost as if he doesn't have his teeth sunk into her. Occasionally, she picks him up by putting his whole head in her mouth and carting him around thus. Bernie, short for Bernoulli, as his legs are so short he has to fly over the grass.
Now, an Oxonian mob, using the same cretinous #RhodesMustFall hashtag as in South Africa, has complained that walking past that statue inflicts violence on them. Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy and, in the mean time, has put a notice next to it, with the following text:
Quote Many of Cecil Rhodes’s actions and public statements are incompatible with the values of the College and University today. In acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes’s bequest, the College does not in any way condone or glorify his views or actions."
Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy
Cameron’s desire to avoid getting dragged into the detail of the renegotiation was clear when Douglas Carswell asked him whether he still wanted to bring back social and employment law as he had said in his Bloomberg speech. Cameron dodged the question by making a decent joke about how Carswell was causing his ‘new boss’, Nigel Farage, as many problems as he used to cause him.
Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy
Utterly craven and pathetic
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Mrs MBE Mère has declared that she has managed to look up the Christmas Day timings on the internet (although she has got rather befuddled and lost it, and is trying to find it again) so that she will be able to watch the "European Space Station" from her garden that evening. This bout of stellaphilia was apparently instilled by internecine jealousy after her brother in Devon announced by telephone that he had achieved the feat earlier this week.
She has apparently very much been enjoying watching Tim Peake again and again on half-hourly loops on the BBC news channel this last week (not quite sure it is her beloved channel but "there is never anything else on", and she only ever seems to be caught watching that or some murder mystery repeats on ITV2).
Did it remind her of Yuri Gagarin? I enquired. Not really, no, it appears he was mostly famous in the household of MBE Mère and Père for his skills at spoon-bending. Hmm. Thought I'd better try that one again - I don't think he's the spoon-bender, mother, didn't he go into space? Ping! Yes, this time the expected anecdote rolled out on cue, listening to it on the wireless because it was an "historically important event". That was a relief, the grey cells still ticking over I see. Reminds me how much wider Mrs MBE Mère's horizons are for being (just-about, and only a late-in-life learner) functional on the World Wide Web. Certainly far more than her mother before her.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Donald Brind- spineless is the word I would subscribe to the Labour party post 2010. Spineless to let Gordon Brown, someone really weird and wholly unelectable to enter unopposed. Spineless to let the caricature of Ed Miliband lead them into an election despite all those polls telling them he was useless. Spineless- that actually we really didn't have any decent candidates in 2015. So where will this spine grow?
The Tory party have a spine- they get rid of leaders and reinvent themselves to get elected. Called bollocks. It is what separates them as a major party political party.
Now, an Oxonian mob, using the same cretinous #RhodesMustFall hashtag as in South Africa, has complained that walking past that statue inflicts violence on them. Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy and, in the mean time, has put a notice next to it, with the following text:
Quote Many of Cecil Rhodes’s actions and public statements are incompatible with the values of the College and University today. In acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes’s bequest, the College does not in any way condone or glorify his views or actions."
I trust that Oriel will pay back to Rhodes' estate the value of the scholarships with interest.
Would they be so hypocritical as to take a man's money, while slagging him off?
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
Just a little pointer re employment in the EU..My wife and myself are involved in an English Language Teaching school..In the new year we will be expanding the student teaching areas threefold..This is to accommodate the massive surge in young people and a few older ones ..who desperately want to learn English...in the majority of cases it is to facilitate a move from Europe to anywhere in the English speaking world..They don't seem to give a hoot for Surbitons Workers Rights..they just need a job..
Jut to annoy TSE, am about to sit down and watch The Hateful Eight.....
May raise some indignant eye-brows, but prior to last night's screening of Star Wars, the last time I went to the cinema was in January 2012 to watch The Iron Lady...
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
@plato says And Plato, I seemed to have rubbed you up the wrong way just by saying that I find outspoken right wing ideologue women sexually repulsive, especially ones who obsessively post right wing claptrap on political sites. I really wasn't imagining your good self in a lesbian three way of any kind, and especially not with Melanie Philips.
Now, an Oxonian mob, using the same cretinous #RhodesMustFall hashtag as in South Africa, has complained that walking past that statue inflicts violence on them. Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy and, in the mean time, has put a notice next to it, with the following text:
Quote Many of Cecil Rhodes’s actions and public statements are incompatible with the values of the College and University today. In acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes’s bequest, the College does not in any way condone or glorify his views or actions."
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Who cares?
Whining, over-privileged students, who think the world revolves around their neuroses.
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Who cares?
Well not me for one, I really couldn't give a big rat's arse. However, this bit of nonsense does say something about the staff and students at what is supposed to be a leading university. A university moreover that because of its special elite method of getting students to learn claims a premium on the public purse. Given the attitudes displayed by both the students and staff perhaps we should reduce its funding to that of an ordinary university, or even to that Stretchford College of Arts and Technology.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
I am sorry but I have to ask, do you actually believe all that?
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I have a skiing question. We have downhill, slalom, giant slalom and super g. What's the difference?
The difference is the width of the gates and the distance between them. So Downhill, very wide gates set well apart which gives less turning and greater speed... to Slalom at the opposition extreme with very narrow gates set very close together, meaning much turning and twisting at lower speeds.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Was my Senior school actually xD.
Uni was Bath.
Oh I assumed it was juniors only - my boss's son left there in July. He's now at a school somewhere the other side of Rugby.
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
Sunil- you were a bit sharp with me last night just because I equated watching a Star Wars movie with waiting in an airport lounge. I'll go to watch this film and let you know what I think.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory - and TimT can confirm this - one of the main highways south from DC into Virginia is the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway.
Now, an Oxonian mob, using the same cretinous #RhodesMustFall hashtag as in South Africa, has complained that walking past that statue inflicts violence on them. Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy and, in the mean time, has put a notice next to it, with the following text:
Quote Many of Cecil Rhodes’s actions and public statements are incompatible with the values of the College and University today. In acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes’s bequest, the College does not in any way condone or glorify his views or actions."
I trust that Oriel will pay back to Rhodes' estate the value of the scholarships with interest.
Would they be so hypocritical as to take a man's money, while slagging him off?
I would say to these idiots, fine you don't want to take advantage of any monies that have been granted / earned due to individuals from the past whose values aren't PC in the modern era, we will provide you only with what is left after we strip out all your access to any of those benefits....I think they would find that they would unlikely to be able to make much use of the college, the libraries, the departments, etc etc etc.
Basically their Oxford university experience will be a small bedsit on one of the shitty council estates in Oxford, paying full price for everything. No discounted accommodation, food, drink, etc etc etc...
The underlying premise of this thread header is that Corbyn is a reasonable guy with whom it is possible to have disagreements and then work together in a constructive way.
This is deeply, irresponsibly and dangerously deluded. Corbyn and his coterie are not nice guys. They have had one criteria for the groups that they support over the last 30 years: that they are hostile to the country that they hold in contempt, whose values they abhor and success they denigrate. That country is of course their own with the USA getting many honourable mentions.
Provided that criteria was met they got Corbyn's support no matter how evil, bigoted, misogynist, homophobic or just downright murderously evil they were. The Labour party should be ashamed of having such moral incompetents in charge of it. Pretending that this solution to this calamity is the well tried belief that it will somehow be alright on the night is irrational bordering on stupid.
Apart from that excellent thread header.
What he wrote......
I think we are witnessing one of the UK's greatest cases of Stockholm Syndrome......
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory - and TimT can confirm this - one of the main highways south from DC into Virginia is the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway.
Its an interesting and moot point. It should come as no surprise that the concept was sponsored by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, nor that there are numerous Jefferson Davis Highways dotted about the south. But it is unclear that it was officially named as such in any northern state.
Davis was of course a United States Secretary of War before the Civil War but the southern states might have been better served by a different president. In the end Davis and his decisions were the architect of his own downfall.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory, we've got Boudicca, Oliver Cromwell, Richard I, Lord Nelson, Sir Henry Havelock, Field Marshal Montgomery, Sir Winston Churchill, the Cenotaph, more than enough to have our little fritillaries from Oxford weeping with dismay
Boris Johnson could be made foreign secretary to boost leadership credentials after he quits as London Mayor
A senior source close to Prime Minister David Cameron said he was considering handing him a prime Government role like foreign secretary in a bid to ensure he campaigns for Britain to stay in the EU
Excellent post by Don Brind with the general theme that,contrary to current thinking on the right,there is an overwhelming call for tribal unification,the main motivation being,instead of red-on-red,the fire needs to be directed at one of least open governments ever whilst it threatens FOI,sneaks through legislation without the proper scrutiny of either the HoC or the HoL,coated with greenwash whilst it fracks the very earth we stand on,attempts to gerrymander its' way to perpetual governance and continues its' pathological attack on poor people,especially those who work via UC cuts. One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other. Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
The Tories really don't fear a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
Agreed and it is a wonderful thing that Mr Brind and other hard left socialists think that Corbyn is great for the Labour party whereas it is the Conservatives who really believe that Corbyn is great ....... for the Conservatives.
Now, an Oxonian mob, using the same cretinous #RhodesMustFall hashtag as in South Africa, has complained that walking past that statue inflicts violence on them. Incredibly, rather than telling them to mind their own business, Oriel has rushed out a statement to the effect that it is talking to the planning authorities about removing the effigy and, in the mean time, has put a notice next to it, with the following text:
Quote Many of Cecil Rhodes’s actions and public statements are incompatible with the values of the College and University today. In acknowledging the historical fact of Rhodes’s bequest, the College does not in any way condone or glorify his views or actions."
I trust that Oriel will pay back to Rhodes' estate the value of the scholarships with interest.
Would they be so hypocritical as to take a man's money, while slagging him off?
I would say to these idiots, fine you don't want to take advantage of any monies that have been granted / earned due to individuals from the past whose values aren't PC in the modern era, we will provide you only with what is left after we strip out all your access to any of those benefits....I think they would find that they would unlikely to be able to make much use of the college, the libraries, the departments, etc etc etc.
Basically their Oxford university experience will be a small bedsit on one of the shitty council estates in Oxford, paying full price for everything. No discounted accommodation, food, drink, etc etc etc...
In many ways the attitudes of the students can be forgiven, they are young and stupid, the attitude of the college authorities is however very wrong and, to someone who has not experienced modern universities, inexplicable. Time for austerity to bite amongst the dreaming spires, I think. Those dons, fellows and students are being subsidised by the contributions of taxpayers far less privileged than they are and who will never have the benefits that they are paying for.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory - and TimT can confirm this - one of the main highways south from DC into Virginia is the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway.
Its an interesting and moot point. It should come as no surprise that the concept was sponsored by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, nor that there are numerous Jefferson Davis Highways dotted about the south. But it is unclear that it was officially named as such in any northern state.
Davis was of course a United States Secretary of War before the Civil War but the southern states might have been better served by a different president. In the end Davis and his decisions were the architect of his own downfall.
Interesting - Yes. Moot - certainly not.
Georgia and Virginia have much more confederate 'stuff' than the other states, and Georgia suffered more than any other state from the US armies.
There is a growing movement to get rid of confederate monuments etc - there have even been requests to get the carving on Stone Mountain destroyed.
Boris Johnson could be made foreign secretary to boost leadership credentials after he quits as London Mayor
A senior source close to Prime Minister David Cameron said he was considering handing him a prime Government role like foreign secretary in a bid to ensure he campaigns for Britain to stay in the EU
That is the worst reporting of a poll I've ever seen !
Betting wise - get Chris Christie onside, he looks like the potential surger, and has the biggest odds of the top 5 in the betting. Trump's price is still very big, Cruz about right. Rubio/Bush both too short.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory, we've got Boudicca, Oliver Cromwell, Richard I, Lord Nelson, Sir Henry Havelock, Field Marshal Montgomery, Sir Winston Churchill, the Cenotaph, more than enough to have our little fritillaries from Oxford weeping with dismay
Oh, there are some worse ones than that, Mr. F.. Jan Smuts stands in Parliament Square, for a start. Of course, the poor dears from Oxford are actually too ignorant of our history to know about those people so they don't complain.
Mind you, I still don't know why we have the statue of Richard I outside parliament or that ass Cambridge in Whitehall.
It's the same here in the Deep South - since the church shooting in Charleston SC there is growing pressure to remove statues of Confederate figures.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
I'm a proud alumni of King Henry VIII !
Trinity College, Cambridge?
He means a junior school in Coventry.
Clive will have to go, and Clive Steps renamed. What about Stanford, Carnegie and all the other rail and steel barons?
Not only that Mr. T. but take a tour around central London, how many of the statutes could be allowed to stand? They are mostly of men, and even a few women, very few of whom had values that would be acceptable in polite society today.
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
From memory - and TimT can confirm this - one of the main highways south from DC into Virginia is the Jefferson Davis Memorial Highway.
Its an interesting and moot point. It should come as no surprise that the concept was sponsored by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, nor that there are numerous Jefferson Davis Highways dotted about the south. But it is unclear that it was officially named as such in any northern state.
Davis was of course a United States Secretary of War before the Civil War but the southern states might have been better served by a different president. In the end Davis and his decisions were the architect of his own downfall.
Interesting - Yes. Moot - certainly not.
Georgia and Virginia have much more confederate 'stuff' than the other states, and Georgia suffered more than any other state from the US armies.
There is a growing movement to get rid of confederate monuments etc - there have even been requests to get the carving on Stone Mountain destroyed.
And, as one could very easily predict, it's morphed into a campaign to get rid of any memorial to historical figures whose views are deemed unacceptable today.
Given that these States are solid Red, why not just stick two fingers up t the wankers?
Donald Brind- spineless is the word I would subscribe to the Labour party post 2010. Spineless to let Gordon Brown, someone really weird and wholly unelectable to enter unopposed. Spineless to let the caricature of Ed Miliband lead them into an election despite all those polls telling them he was useless. Spineless- that actually we really didn't have any decent candidates in 2015. So where will this spine grow?
The Tory party have a spine- they get rid of leaders and reinvent themselves to get elected. Called bollocks. It is what separates them as a major party political party.
I was aghast when I read DB's GBS quote, thinking that the metaphorical pig was Jehadi Jez. Given DB's previous commitment to his faith of choice, I wondered what new religion had enticed him. My anticipation quickly dissipated as it quickly became clear that the metaphorical pig was actually Labour's very own Saul of Tarsus; no new faith then, just same old same old blind kind.
I still read the piece though being in need of cheering up.
I've always said that I don't believe that Trump will be the nominee, but it has been getting harder and harder to keep saying it. This makes me feel better.
Corbyn supporters are a broad church? I suppose it must technically be true given existing membership overwhelmingly supported him, and so people from across the Labour spectrum must have done.
I do question the 10 reasons for not leaving though - as at least one boils down to 'no one will notice you leaving, loser' and some others argue that even if a party is going in a direction you hate and will for the foreseeable future you should stick around, which is standard tribal stuff, but still makes no sense to me. It isn't like leaving a cult, or faith, or at least it shouldn't be. Even if you've been in a party for a long time, it should have been about what it did and was planning to do - if it is now planning and doing things you don't like, well, it doesn't mean those years were wasted, but you should not stick around out of nostalgia. You can always leave and come back if things change to a party you do support the aims of, but if you don't support its aims, just leave, simple as.
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Sometimes people ask: what do we get out of the EU? One thing for certain is we get a lot of hardworking ambitious talented people.
Eeeeeee-fah (obviously)
Confidence in government
Switzerland 75%
India 73%
Russia 64%
Germany 60%
Turkey 56%
US 35%
France 26%
Greece 19% https://t.co/6g85rhdusX
I would have thought you'd have wanted it buried for shame?
Keighley was the place that led to a famous arrest a decade ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jan/18/race.religion
After Griffin and Collett were aquitted Gordon Brown wanted to tighten the legislation to stop similar speeches.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm
Is it any wonder that more mainstream people were unwilling to speak out?
In fairness, we should set up a rota or something.
I was in the mood for trolling and didn't get any bites on the previous thread!
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jan/18/race.religion
After Griffin and Collett were aquitted Gordon Brown wanted to tighten the legislation to stop similar speeches.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm
Is it any wonder that more mainstream people were unwilling to speak out?
It's a very ancient belief. Primordial even. If you stop people from talking about the bad thing, the bad thing goes away.
Griffin and the BNP are deeply unpleasant people, it is pretty uncomfortable that they were prescient on this issue.
CPS branded the Can't Prosecute Service after dropping charges against rioters who refused to give their identities https://t.co/gwK2cMxYHD
Yes.
I would not be surprised if he has not got some bogus doctorate from some loopy lefty university
Utterly craven and pathetic
Re DC on DC at PMQs and his foresight...
Cameron’s desire to avoid getting dragged into the detail of the renegotiation was clear when Douglas Carswell asked him whether he still wanted to bring back social and employment law as he had said in his Bloomberg speech. Cameron dodged the question by making a decent joke about how Carswell was causing his ‘new boss’, Nigel Farage, as many problems as he used to cause him.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/pmqs-cameron-tries-to-bring-christmas-cheer-to-the-commons/
Cameron Poe
Mrs MBE Mère has declared that she has managed to look up the Christmas Day timings on the internet (although she has got rather befuddled and lost it, and is trying to find it again) so that she will be able to watch the "European Space Station" from her garden that evening. This bout of stellaphilia was apparently instilled by internecine jealousy after her brother in Devon announced by telephone that he had achieved the feat earlier this week.
She has apparently very much been enjoying watching Tim Peake again and again on half-hourly loops on the BBC news channel this last week (not quite sure it is her beloved channel but "there is never anything else on", and she only ever seems to be caught watching that or some murder mystery repeats on ITV2).
Did it remind her of Yuri Gagarin? I enquired. Not really, no, it appears he was mostly famous in the household of MBE Mère and Père for his skills at spoon-bending. Hmm. Thought I'd better try that one again - I don't think he's the spoon-bender, mother, didn't he go into space? Ping! Yes, this time the expected anecdote rolled out on cue, listening to it on the wireless because it was an "historically important event". That was a relief, the grey cells still ticking over I see. Reminds me how much wider Mrs MBE Mère's horizons are for being (just-about, and only a late-in-life learner) functional on the World Wide Web. Certainly far more than her mother before her.
Where does such nonsense end? Presumably all of the great benefactors of Oxbridge colleges from centuries past had 'unacceptable' views by today's standards. Do we pull down all the statues and effigies of Henry VII, Henry VIII, various medieval nobles and businessmen?
Presumably their donations should be returned as well...
The Tory party have a spine- they get rid of leaders and reinvent themselves to get elected. Called bollocks. It is what separates them as a major party political party.
Would they be so hypocritical as to take a man's money, while slagging him off?
And Plato, I seemed to have rubbed you up the wrong way just by saying that I find outspoken right wing ideologue women sexually repulsive, especially ones who obsessively post right wing claptrap on political sites. I really wasn't imagining your good self in a lesbian three way of any kind, and especially not with Melanie Philips.
BTW Star Wars is good as a stand-alone. but if you know the saga, you will recognise the storyline.
One important feature of high performing tribes is the hatred of a common enemy who are perceived as evil.It's the Tories who are Labour's real enemy,not each other.
Jeremy Corbyn's 3 pillars of giving people a greater say,an ethical foreign policy-remember that,and an understanding that the public has had enough of the political choice,rather than the economic necessity,of austerity,provide the basis of that unity and that is what the Tories really fear.
Slalom is about technical turning ability.
Giant Slalom and Super Giant Slalom are on a continuum between the other two.
The Labour party is clearly at it's weakest point since Ramsay McDonald.
Uni was Bath.
My favourite quote from a movie is "7 days a week doesn't make"- but which film?
If those students at Oxford that feel they are being subject to violence walking past Rhodes they would be black and blue, if not beaten to death, were they be made to walk from the Palace of Westminster, around Parliament Square and up Whitehall to Trafalgar Square.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3366508/Riot-suspects-refused-names-court-cases-dropped-prosecutors-accused-failing-justice.html
Would they be so hypocritical as to take a man's money, while slagging him off?
I would say to these idiots, fine you don't want to take advantage of any monies that have been granted / earned due to individuals from the past whose values aren't PC in the modern era, we will provide you only with what is left after we strip out all your access to any of those benefits....I think they would find that they would unlikely to be able to make much use of the college, the libraries, the departments, etc etc etc.
Basically their Oxford university experience will be a small bedsit on one of the shitty council estates in Oxford, paying full price for everything. No discounted accommodation, food, drink, etc etc etc...
I think we are witnessing one of the UK's greatest cases of Stockholm Syndrome......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35136111
It should come as no surprise that the concept was sponsored by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, nor that there are numerous Jefferson Davis Highways dotted about the south. But it is unclear that it was officially named as such in any northern state.
Davis was of course a United States Secretary of War before the Civil War but the southern states might have been better served by a different president. In the end Davis and his decisions were the architect of his own downfall.
REMAIN 52 (+4)
LEAVE 48 (-4)
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#eureferendum
#newsnight
A senior source close to Prime Minister David Cameron said he was considering handing him a prime Government role like foreign secretary in a bid to ensure he campaigns for Britain to stay in the EU
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12056110/Boris-Johnson-could-be-made-foreign-secretary-to-boost-leadership-credentials-after-he-quits-as-London-Mayor.html
Basically their Oxford university experience will be a small bedsit on one of the shitty council estates in Oxford, paying full price for everything. No discounted accommodation, food, drink, etc etc etc...
In many ways the attitudes of the students can be forgiven, they are young and stupid, the attitude of the college authorities is however very wrong and, to someone who has not experienced modern universities, inexplicable. Time for austerity to bite amongst the dreaming spires, I think. Those dons, fellows and students are being subsidised by the contributions of taxpayers far less privileged than they are and who will never have the benefits that they are paying for.
Trump – 26% (28)
Cruz – 12% (5)
Rubio – 12% (6)
Christie – 11% (3)
Bush – 10% (9)
Kasich – 8% (5)
Fiorina – 6% (10)
Carson – 5% (16)
Paul – 3% (5)
Graham – 0% (0)
Huckabee – 0% (2)
Pataki – 0% (0)
Santorum – 0% (0)
Undecided – 5% (7)
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2015/12/nh_poll_foes_gain_on_donald_trump_hillary_clinton_pulls_even
Georgia and Virginia have much more confederate 'stuff' than the other states, and Georgia suffered more than any other state from the US armies.
There is a growing movement to get rid of confederate monuments etc - there have even been requests to get the carving on Stone Mountain destroyed.
Betting wise - get Chris Christie onside, he looks like the potential surger, and has the biggest odds of the top 5 in the betting. Trump's price is still very big, Cruz about right. Rubio/Bush both too short.
Mind you, I still don't know why we have the statue of Richard I outside parliament or that ass Cambridge in Whitehall.
Given that these States are solid Red, why not just stick two fingers up t the wankers?
Trump 28%
Cruz 21%
Rubio 12%
Bush 10%
Carson 10%
Christie 6%
Fiorina 5%
Huckabee 2%
Graham 2%
Kasich 1%
Paul 3%
Santorum 1%
Pataki 0%
http://opinionsavvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/SC-GOP-PP-12.17.15.pdf
I still read the piece though being in need of cheering up.
I do question the 10 reasons for not leaving though - as at least one boils down to 'no one will notice you leaving, loser' and some others argue that even if a party is going in a direction you hate and will for the foreseeable future you should stick around, which is standard tribal stuff, but still makes no sense to me. It isn't like leaving a cult, or faith, or at least it shouldn't be. Even if you've been in a party for a long time, it should have been about what it did and was planning to do - if it is now planning and doing things you don't like, well, it doesn't mean those years were wasted, but you should not stick around out of nostalgia. You can always leave and come back if things change to a party you do support the aims of, but if you don't support its aims, just leave, simple as.
Trump 39%
Cruz 18%
Rubio 11%
Carson 9%
Dems
Clinton 56%
Sanders 34%
General Election
Trump 38% Clinton 49%
Cruz 45% Clinton 45%
Rubio 45% Clinton 43%
Carson 44% Clinton 46%
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/12/18/fox-news-poll-2016-gop-race-trump-muslim-ban-terrorism-isis/