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  • AndyJS said:
    Harris is pointing out that the reactionary tendency is now on the left. It must be resisted.
  • AndyJS said:
    If only we had a handy two-word phrase for this...
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Trump seems to tell it like he sees it. Some areas of the UK are no go areas for the Police and why should the USA welcome more people who really want to bring down that country and impose its own rule of law..Telling the truth about such things is not racism..it is reality.
  • Trump seems to tell it like he sees it.

    Yes, that's the worry.
  • Alistair said:

    Apols for posting again - but this trenchant writing was on a Nationalist blog:

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Scotland: The Slightly Less English British Franchise....

    The Franchise where corporation tax is lower than it is in London. The Franchise where you can still go to jail for possessing cannabis, but hey, didn’t we show those English twats who is boss? The Franchise where we still operate on the same moral playing field as the union we so denounce – politically, economically and militarily insulated by NATO and the EU – while believing ourselves to be morally superior.

    Scotland: The Slightly Less English British Franchise where being Scottish alone is what makes us moral. Where being Scottish in and of itself trumps all else. Where being Scottish is its own justification and anybody with anything critical to say is a vicious nonce apologist.


    http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/12/07/scotland-the-utopia-that-never-was/

    Bella Caledonia is pro Independence not pro SNP. I presume the writer is RISE or SSP.
    Not everyone who is pro-Independence is pro-SNP ;-) (as indeed the comments demonstrate: See this “SNPbad” chat? It’s pathetic. It’s designed to shut down legitimate criticism of the One True Party. Time to grow up.)

    The writer's pen-name is Loki.
    Amusingly some Yoons of very little brain took that specific comment as a paean to the SNP, and then went on and on and on about it.

    http://tinyurl.com/npr7gu5

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Trump seems to tell it like he sees it. Some areas of the UK are no go areas for the Police and why should the USA welcome more people who really want to bring down that country and impose its own rule of law..Telling the truth about such things is not racism..it is reality.

    It was only a few years ago that large areas of London and other cities were no go areas for the police, during the August 2011 riots.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited December 2015
    RN..Do you deny what he says..there are certainly parts of some cities in the UK that have no go areas...and some Muslims that have entered the USA have been consistent in their aggressive stance against their host country..why should the USA accept more of them...this is what Trump sees..most of us turn our eyes away..
  • Very clear-headed summary of the GOP race at RCP, as just tweeted by shadsy.

    I would not get carried away by the polling for early primaries/caucuses given the nature of this field.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/12/10/laying_odds_on_the_gop_presidential_race_128994.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,427
    Amusing that Trump has run a tremendously low cost campaign so far.

    Leaves him a full war chest should he become the nominee.
  • Trump seems to tell it like he sees it. Some areas of the UK are no go areas for the Police and why should the USA welcome more people who really want to bring down that country and impose its own rule of law..Telling the truth about such things is not racism..it is reality.

    This is correct, but the right-on bedwetters don't want to face reality, they want to live in their bubbles of virtue-signalling self-righteousness. But sooner or later reality will intrude, like it is doing in Germany. Just look at the chaos wrought in Germany by Merkel's war guilt, soon to be heading our way...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Seems as though the telegraph, the sun, the guardian, and the BBC are all xenophobic kippers getting their excuses in early for the referendum defeat

    Who knew?!

    You're the first person to mention xenophobia on this thread.

    As the keenest fan of Farage on here, I'd have thought you'd want to spend a little time considering your position on his 'leadership'.
    Sorry europhobes

    No it's ok I get it. You are not a conservative and everyone who mocks Cameron's negotiations is a bitter kipper, understood

    Farages leadership has taken UKIP from 3% to 12.5% in the GE, won the euros, won a couple of seats in the H of C, improved vote in almost every seat and got us a referendum, so I am ok with it
    That's the past. If he can't take you from 12.5% to 20% he's worse than useless.
    My first instinct is you are joking, but just in case you are not...

    I thought the question was what I thought of Farage's leadership? I base that on how the party has done in the 5 years he has been leader. It would take some nerve to suggest UKIP are worse off now, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.

    He's done well to take UKIP from a fringe party to a player. But a political party has to keep moving forward. If Farage is not capable of taking UKIP from where they are today to being the clear third party (it could easily take 2 leaders before they are in a position to challenge for one of the top 2 slots) then he needs to retire gracefully and be replaced by someone who can deliver that objective.

    If he stays he has negative value to UKIP (if only opportunity cost) and hence is "worse than useless"
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited December 2015
    Sean Trende has put probabilities on the various GOP contenders:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/12/10/laying_odds_on_the_gop_presidential_race_128994.html

    Note that he thinks the single most likely outcome is that no one wins a sufficient number of delegates to claim the nomination.

    Edit: I see TP has just posted the same link
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    The Donald Trump Outrage Index

    Hackney South 1,496
    Romford 301

    Bristol West 1.779
    Kingswood 260

    Bethnal Green and Bow 1874
    Thurrock 241
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2015

    Trump seems to tell it like he sees it. Some areas of the UK are no go areas for the Police and why should the USA welcome more people who really want to bring down that country and impose its own rule of law..Telling the truth about such things is not racism..it is reality.

    Anyone can look at the % of muslims in a country and compare it with the % from 40 years or so ago. The countries where the Muslim % has risen from virtually zero to more than 4% in that time are now the countries suffering from violence at the hands of Islamic extremism

    So although what Trump says sounds outrageous, and is definitely a step too far practically, any country with less than 1% Muslim population now should be doing its best to keep it at that level, or at least let it grow very slowly through birth rate rather than immigration
  • Mr. Isam, it's not just that. If you say, as Merkel did, we'll let in anyone from Syria, then a load of chaps will suddenly discover they're Syrian. That'll include economic migrants, and lunatics (some of whom may actually be Syrian).

    Merkel's off her bloody head.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Amusing that Trump has run a tremendously low cost campaign so far.

    Leaves him a full war chest should he become the nominee.

    Trump claims to be a multi-billionaire. Should that be true and he can't be bought like the usual politician then he's free to say what he wants. For good or ill.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Seems as though the telegraph, the sun, the guardian, and the BBC are all xenophobic kippers getting their excuses in early for the referendum defeat

    Who knew?!

    You're the first person to mention xenophobia on this thread.

    As the keenest fan of Farage on here, I'd have thought you'd want to spend a little time considering your position on his 'leadership'.
    Sorry europhobes

    No it's ok I get it. You are not a conservative and everyone who mocks Cameron's negotiations is a bitter kipper, understood

    Farages leadership has taken UKIP from 3% to 12.5% in the GE, won the euros, won a couple of seats in the H of C, improved vote in almost every seat and got us a referendum, so I am ok with it
    That's the past. If he can't take you from 12.5% to 20% he's worse than useless.
    My first instinct is you are joking, but just in case you are not...

    I thought the question was what I thought of Farage's leadership? I base that on how the party has done in the 5 years he has been leader. It would take some nerve to suggest UKIP are worse off now, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.

    He's done well to take UKIP from a fringe party to a player. But a political party has to keep moving forward. If Farage is not capable of taking UKIP from where they are today to being the clear third party (it could easily take 2 leaders before they are in a position to challenge for one of the top 2 slots) then he needs to retire gracefully and be replaced by someone who can deliver that objective.

    If he stays he has negative value to UKIP (if only opportunity cost) and hence is "worse than useless"
    I wouldn't assume it was possible for UKIP to get to 20% under anyone's leadership. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that a leader like Carswell, Hannan or Reckless would be able to keep the existing voters as well as attracting defectors
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    I am uncomfortable with the view that everyone else will be swayed by a "compliant media", whilst we, the better informed, call us more intelligent, will see through it all with our our laser-like acute analysis.

    Echoes of CiF and the great Murdoch conspiracy in such a proposition.

    (Welcome back, btw.)

    It not so much a "swayed by the media" as "not really that interested or listening that closely so only really heard the stories on the TV while eating their dinner, or on the radio while they have their breakfast", ergo they will only hear the BBC views of the negotiations and even if they are smart, they will not have seen a rounded view of the issues. Many people are very clever, but insufficiently interested in politics as to bother with being well informed, their vote is still worth as much as anyone elses.

    Politics thrives on the disinterest of the bulk of the populations, you get endless bullshit like Dave's "cast iron" promises, and his "no ifs, no buts", and most of Osbrown's budgets, which the spin doctors know they will have to back away from once the think tanks have had a look, but the PM launching his manifesto, or the Chancellors budget speech gets a large audience, his spin doctors moving to a more nuanced position on the second page of the politics section of the Telegraph is seem by almost no one. So that man on the streets only sees the bullshit version.
    Or maybe the Great British Public can weigh up the pros and cons themselves and form their own opinions. Then come to the correct conclusion, they usually do. It all smacks to me of the BOOers getting their excuses in early, a bit like the cybernats.
    Ah Mr FoxInSocksEU fancy seeing you here ;) If OUT wins you will be jumping up and down like a maniac complaining that politicians, never mind the public don't know enough for the country to function outside the EU and how it's madness to even consider it :)
    No. I do not think it would be a disaster, but also not a good choice. I would accept it, particularly if we stayed in the EEA and enjoyed the 4 freedoms.

    I do think it a mistake for the BOOers to depict pro-EU Brits as unpatriotic. Its a bit like the cybernats saying that no true Scot can be a Unionist. By insulting the centreground it pushes the undecided into the Remain camp. No one likes being insulted and it is not a good campaigning tactic.
  • A reality check on "no go areas".

    Police officer deaths in the UK in the line of duty in 2015: 1 (there have been 6 such deaths since 2010).
    Police officer deaths in the USA in the line of duty in 2015: 69.

    Which country is more likely to have no go areas for the police?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    A reality check on "no go areas".

    Police officer deaths in the UK in the line of duty in 2015: 1 (there have been 6 such deaths since 2010).
    Police officer deaths in the USA in the line of duty in 2015: 69.

    Which country is more likely to have no go areas for the police?

    Depends on the ratio of American Cops to the traditional British Bobby (Charlton)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited December 2015

    RN..Do you deny what he says..there are certainly parts of some cities in the UK that have no go areas...and some Muslims that have entered the USA have been consistent in their aggressive stance against their host country..why should the USA accept more of them...this is what Trump sees..most of us turn our eyes away..

    There are far fewer 'no-go' areas in the UK (if indeed there are any) than there are in US cities (where the no-go areas are completely unconnected with Islam), so he seems to be 'seeing' rather selectively. The US has suffered one terrorist mass shooting in last decade, and hundreds of non-terrorist mass shootings in the same period; again what he 'sees' seems absurdly selective. Perhaps doing about something the ludicrously easy availability of assault rifles, which would help hugely with both problems, might be rather more proportionate and effective than the unconstitutional banning of millions of completely innocent Muslim tourists from visiting the US. And so on and so on. The guy is a nut, who leaps on headline concerns and comes up with idiotic saloon-bar 'solutions'.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Seems as though the telegraph, the sun, the guardian, and the BBC are all xenophobic kippers getting their excuses in early for the referendum defeat

    Who knew?!

    You're the first person to mention xenophobia on this thread.

    As the keenest fan of Farage on here, I'd have thought you'd want to spend a little time considering your position on his 'leadership'.
    Sorry europhobes

    No it's ok I get it. You are not a conservative and everyone who mocks Cameron's negotiations is a bitter kipper, understood

    Farages leadership has taken UKIP from 3% to 12.5% in the GE, won the euros, won a couple of seats in the H of C, improved vote in almost every seat and got us a referendum, so I am ok with it
    That's the past. If he can't take you from 12.5% to 20% he's worse than useless.
    My first instinct is you are joking, but just in case you are not...

    I thought the question was what I thought of Farage's leadership? I base that on how the party has done in the 5 years he has been leader. It would take some nerve to suggest UKIP are worse off now, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.

    He's done well to take UKIP from a fringe party to a player. But a political party has to keep moving forward. If Farage is not capable of taking UKIP from where they are today to being the clear third party (it could easily take 2 leaders before they are in a position to challenge for one of the top 2 slots) then he needs to retire gracefully and be replaced by someone who can deliver that objective.

    If he stays he has negative value to UKIP (if only opportunity cost) and hence is "worse than useless"
    I wouldn't assume it was possible for UKIP to get to 20% under anyone's leadership. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that a leader like Carswell, Hannan or Reckless would be able to keep the existing voters as well as attracting defectors
    You need someone who appears serious, rather than a bar room bore, and who can tone down the racist dog whistles.

    I wouldn't pretend to be an expect on UKIP politics, but I'd imagine that the likes of Evans or Nuttall (possibly Bickley or may be, but less likely, James) might all be able to do that.

    Perhaps it's not 20%, may be it's 15% and 5 seats through better focus. But if you are still at 12.5% and 1 seat in 2020 what have you achieved?
  • AndyJS said:

    This from the publication that predicted UKIP would struggle to get more than 10% at the general election.

    The answer to the question is that the Purples usually do better in the second half of a parliament AFAIK.
    A big difference is we are not in schengen
  • Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Seems as though the telegraph, the sun, the guardian, and the BBC are all xenophobic kippers getting their excuses in early for the referendum defeat

    Who knew?!

    You're the first person to mention xenophobia on this thread.

    As the keenest fan of Farage on here, I'd have thought you'd want to spend a little time considering your position on his 'leadership'.
    Sorry europhobes

    No it's ok I get it. You are not a conservative and everyone who mocks Cameron's negotiations is a bitter kipper, understood

    Farages leadership has taken UKIP from 3% to 12.5% in the GE, won the euros, won a couple of seats in the H of C, improved vote in almost every seat and got us a referendum, so I am ok with it
    That's the past. If he can't take you from 12.5% to 20% he's worse than useless.
    My first instinct is you are joking, but just in case you are not...

    I thought the question was what I thought of Farage's leadership? I base that on how the party has done in the 5 years he has been leader. It would take some nerve to suggest UKIP are worse off now, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.

    He's done well to take UKIP from a fringe party to a player. But a political party has to keep moving forward. If Farage is not capable of taking UKIP from where they are today to being the clear third party (it could easily take 2 leaders before they are in a position to challenge for one of the top 2 slots) then he needs to retire gracefully and be replaced by someone who can deliver that objective.

    If he stays he has negative value to UKIP (if only opportunity cost) and hence is "worse than useless"
    I wouldn't assume it was possible for UKIP to get to 20% under anyone's leadership. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that a leader like Carswell, Hannan or Reckless would be able to keep the existing voters as well as attracting defectors
    You need someone who appears serious, rather than a bar room bore, and who can tone down the racist dog whistles.

    I wouldn't pretend to be an expect on UKIP politics, but I'd imagine that the likes of Evans or Nuttall (possibly Bickley or may be, but less likely, James) might all be able to do that.

    Perhaps it's not 20%, may be it's 15% and 5 seats through better focus. But if you are still at 12.5% and 1 seat in 2020 what have you achieved?
    Farage isn't boring. Cameron is profoundly boring, it is the reason for his success.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Seems as though the telegraph, the sun, the guardian, and the BBC are all xenophobic kippers getting their excuses in early for the referendum defeat

    Who knew?!

    You're the first person to mention xenophobia on this thread.

    As the keenest fan of Farage on here, I'd have thought you'd want to spend a little time considering your position on his 'leadership'.
    Sorry europhobes


    That's the past. If he can't take you from 12.5% to 20% he's worse than useless.
    My first instinct is you are joking, but just in case you are not...

    I thought the question was what I thought of Farage's leadership? I base that on how the party has done in the 5 years he has been leader. It would take some nerve to suggest UKIP are worse off now, though I wouldn't be surprised to see someone try it
    Perhaps you misunderstand me.

    He's done well to take UKIP from a fringe party to a player. But a political party has to keep moving forward. If Farage is not capable of taking UKIP from where they are today to being the clear third party (it could easily take 2 leaders before they are in a position to challenge for one of the top 2 slots) then he needs to retire gracefully and be replaced by someone who can deliver that objective.

    If he stays he has negative value to UKIP (if only opportunity cost) and hence is "worse than useless"
    I wouldn't assume it was possible for UKIP to get to 20% under anyone's leadership. I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that a leader like Carswell, Hannan or Reckless would be able to keep the existing voters as well as attracting defectors
    You need someone who appears serious, rather than a bar room bore, and who can tone down the racist dog whistles.

    I wouldn't pretend to be an expect on UKIP politics, but I'd imagine that the likes of Evans or Nuttall (possibly Bickley or may be, but less likely, James) might all be able to do that.

    Perhaps it's not 20%, may be it's 15% and 5 seats through better focus. But if you are still at 12.5% and 1 seat in 2020 what have you achieved?
    Farage is almost definitely the best UKIP have got. Unlike others (non kippers mainly), I don't assume that they will keep on rising at the rate they have since Farage took over in 2010, I would say they probably wont. They certainly wont under the leadership of anyone you mention there. There may be no need for UKIP in 2018 if we leave the EU, and perhaps a new party will emerge including some Kippers, some Cons and some Labs, the leader of which could come from any of the three parties mentioned
  • There is fruit on the left for UKIP to pluck, but the profile of the party's leadership makes that very difficult. If you look at the FN in France, they combine very strong anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric with high-profile, left-wing populist policies. That has allowed them to put down strong roots in former Communist and Socialist leaning areas. They have also worked incredibly hard at national and local level - doing the hard yards, much as the LDs did here back in the 90s and early 2000s. Again, the UKIP leadership does not seem that inclined to do this. They have their MEP salaries and their TV profiles and they seem to think that this is enough. Farage would clearly prefer a long lunch over a detailed policy and positioning discussion. That may make him a more entertaining bloke, but it lessens his impact as a game-changing politician.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited December 2015
    RN Even some forces are admitting to having no go areas..and there certainly was one in Leeds when the Ripper murders were taking place.I know because I was embedded with the police at that time shooting a documentary...so in that case Trump is right...He may well be a nut but he is pointing out some truths that have been covered by politicians and officials for years..and lots of Americans appear to agree with him..time to get it all out there.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    kle4 said:

    If @rcs1000 is about - on your recommendation, I slogged through 7 episodes of Jennifer Jones. I'd give it a 7/10. I'm clearly missing what made you such a fan. I'll finish it only because I'm stubborn :wink:

    Do you mean Jessica Jones? If so, I'd give 7/10 as about right. A bit like Daredevil I found it brilliantly produced and brilliantly acted, but it just didn't grab me. The grimness of both may not have been right up my alley, but onboth cases I felt it had all the elements there that I should have thought them brilliant, but ended up just thinking it was pretty decent. I also kept thinking the heroine, even considering the burdens she was under mentally, came across as pretty dim, rather than stubborn, which was distracting.

    Good day everyone.
    The main problem with Jessica Jones is that it drags a story which needed 6 or at most 8 episodes over 13 hours of television. This just didn't work and left me utterly bored at times.

    Compare to Daredevil where there were two or three substantial cases before the Big Bad even appeared. Kingpin wasn't even on screen till episode five-ish and wasn't even partially fleshed out till past mid way of the season. These extra cases and later focus on the Big Bad made the series work much better.

    Jones had a single, short case (which turned out to be a direct part of the Big Bad arc) and Tennant was present from the start. The story was just too thin for the number of episodes.

    It has other problems - the inconsistency of Jessica's powers is a huge one, there is a comical scene with the hermetically sealed room where the actress makes clear physical effort to open the heavy door. Not intended to be funny but it was hilarious. Some of the performances were weak too - Tennant phoned it in and Nuke was meh.

    Overall, I thought it was a huge let down. Man in the High Castle released the same day was much better.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    There is fruit on the left for UKIP to pluck, but the profile of the party's leadership makes that very difficult. If you look at the FN in France, they combine very strong anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric with high-profile, left-wing populist policies. That has allowed them to put down strong roots in former Communist and Socialist leaning areas. They have also worked incredibly hard at national and local level - doing the hard yards, much as the LDs did here back in the 90s and early 2000s. Again, the UKIP leadership does not seem that inclined to do this. They have their MEP salaries and their TV profiles and they seem to think that this is enough. Farage would clearly prefer a long lunch over a detailed policy and positioning discussion. That may make him a more entertaining bloke, but it lessens his impact as a game-changing politician.

    The Faragists seem to prefer long liquid lunches to the grind of local government or serious canvassing. As long as that carries on they will get nowhere. For example the UKIP byelection loss in Huntington last night was because of their councillors failure to attend council meetings. Not very professional at all, and a big swing to the LDs.
  • What are the odds that Jeremy Corbyn comments on this morning's police shooting in a way that can be interpreted as not wholly supportive of the police?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I do love SoMuchGuardian

    #IBoughtMyDaughterAPinkToyAndNowSheDoesntWantToBeAScientistOrADoctorOrALawyerOrAPrimeMinister #OhMyDays #GetAGrip https://t.co/hLLY2Ev0nR
  • The principal no-go areas for the police in the UK have traditionally been in Northern Ireland. In terms of fear factor for individual cops on the mainland I'd have thought it would be areas with high levels of gang violence. No go can also be used as code for "can't be arsed". The various child abuse scandals relating to Moslem paedophiles and perverts were not exacerbated by police being scared to go into communities, but by their traditional lack of interest in taking the claims that kids make about adult sexual predators seriously, with some PC thrown in on top.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    What are the odds that Jeremy Corbyn comments on this morning's police shooting in a way that can be interpreted as not wholly supportive of the police?

    btw the American Cop/Bobby (Charlton) reference was this at 6:35

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtG0p5JL2Dw
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lolz http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/guardian-begins-annual-ruining-of-christmas-2013121081891
    THE Guardian newspaper has launched its annual appeal to make you feel dreadful about Christmas.

    Unveiling a miserable George Monbiot article about how having nice things is bad, the paper pledged to ‘gnaw at our readers’ consciences like they will gnaw at the bones of horribly abused poultry’.

    The paper is lining up a series of nasty, depressing yuletide features including excerpts from Jonathan Freedland’s new book It is Not a Wonderful Life, Polly Toynbee’s Guide to Turning a Nice Christmas Dinner into an Argument About Universal Benefits and a Nick Cohen article about reactionary toys made by lovely, tiny dogs.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    "In England in 2013, 64% of women aged 34-44 and 71% of women aged 45-54 were classified as overweight or obese. "

    In the NW, the fatties have taken over, but lack of "advice" isn't the problem. In a few rare cases like thyroid problems, there may be some sort of excuse but basically, if you're fat, you're eating too much.

    People generally know that stuffing their gob with high calorie food isn't a good idea, but they like to do it. Nowadays, fat people can mingle and be one of the majority. No one is allowed to comment anyway. Years ago, fat people were figures of fun, and they were rare.

    So if we're serious about reducing obesity, call a fat person a porker. Probably won't happen because some will feel depressed as a consequence. But they are killing themselves and costing the NHS a fortune. The NHS will spend a another fortune advising calorifically-challenged people on what they already know. And it will fail.

    I'm old now and my metabolism is slower than it used to be. I can't get away with gobbling for fun so I don't. I don't need advice, I need willpower and the knowledge that eating everything that isn't nailed down will ensure an early grave.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    There should be absolutely zero NO GO areas in any UK town or city...for whatever reason.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,000
    edited December 2015
    Mr. Observer, worth noting the police were mentioned in some instances as turning a blind eye or even being present during some of the disgrace in Rotherham.

    Edited extra bit: with any luck future prosecutions will get to the bottom of that. If police were present they must be prosecuted and incarcerated, and, if not, it's important their (collective) name is cleared.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,060

    Trump seems to tell it like he sees it.

    Yes, that's the worry.
    LOL. Very good.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    AndyJS said:

    It's astonishing to see the number of supposedly politically neutral people and bodies that have been drawn into making pronouncements regarding Trump's recent comments. Interfering in another country's politics doesn't usually end well, as the Guardian learned with Bush / Ohio in 2004.

    Donald Trump made comments about law enforcement in Britain. Can you imagine the headlines if the Prime MInister's spokesperson had declined to comment on claims that there are no-go areas in London for the police?
    I think that is right although I think the uproar over his initial remarks and the 'petition' are batshit twitter-led craziness. Overall as per usual the 'establishment' responses have probably played into Trump's hands.
  • On TV: saw the last episode of The Last Kingdom last night. Won't spoil it, but overall I've enjoyed the series rather a lot. There are some iffy moments, but I thought the portrayal of Alfred was excellent.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    CD13 said:

    "In England in 2013, 64% of women aged 34-44 and 71% of women aged 45-54 were classified as overweight or obese. "

    In the NW, the fatties have taken over, but lack of "advice" isn't the problem. In a few rare cases like thyroid problems, there may be some sort of excuse but basically, if you're fat, you're eating too much.

    People generally know that stuffing their gob with high calorie food isn't a good idea, but they like to do it. Nowadays, fat people can mingle and be one of the majority. No one is allowed to comment anyway. Years ago, fat people were figures of fun, and they were rare.

    So if we're serious about reducing obesity, call a fat person a porker. Probably won't happen because some will feel depressed as a consequence. But they are killing themselves and costing the NHS a fortune. The NHS will spend a another fortune advising calorifically-challenged people on what they already know. And it will fail.

    I'm old now and my metabolism is slower than it used to be. I can't get away with gobbling for fun so I don't. I don't need advice, I need willpower and the knowledge that eating everything that isn't nailed down will ensure an early grave.

    A slightly simplistic view, but ultimatly people are responsible for their own diet and lack of exercise.

    Women in particular are as a group rather exercise shy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,698
    isam said:

    A reality check on "no go areas".

    Police officer deaths in the UK in the line of duty in 2015: 1 (there have been 6 such deaths since 2010).
    Police officer deaths in the USA in the line of duty in 2015: 69.

    Which country is more likely to have no go areas for the police?

    Depends on the ratio of American Cops to the traditional British Bobby (Charlton)
    The United States is roughly six times the size of the UK (by population), therefore would expect a ratio of approximately 6:1. We can argue about whether more police or fewer police on the beat will increase the number of deaths (more police, less crime, fewer deaths... or more police, more potential victims, more deaths...), but absent compelling evidence for a change, 6:1 is probably OK.

    This means that - per head of population - the US has 10x as many police officer deaths than in the UK. Which - given the prevalance of guns in that country - seems utterly unsurprising.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,698

    There should be absolutely zero NO GO areas in any UK town or city...for whatever reason.

    Except the bedrooms of consenting adults.
  • Mr. 1000, mail for you.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited December 2015
    Some years ago,on a patrol in a very dangerous section of LA with two LAPD officers they told me that they suspected that every single person on the street we were patrolling,and there were several hundred pedestrians,would be armed in one way or another...but mainly with a firearm...They still went into that area.


  • A slightly simplistic view, but ultimatly people are responsible for their own diet and lack of exercise.

    But, in 2015, should we have to be?

    It's not peoples responsibility to avoid catching smallpox any more, so why can't we have a scientific/medical solution to obesity, other than the endless patriarchal preaching and moralising?

    I'm a fat bloke. I like eating and drinking. I do not like exercising. I want to have my cake and eat it, often literally. Life is short enough already, without depriving ourselves of one of its great pleasures.

    If we can create drugs that target tumour cells, surely we can painlessly blast calories out of the body? Is anyone doing any serious research into this sort of thing?

    Food is great. It really is. Let us enjoy the stuff.
  • CromwellCromwell Posts: 236
    I'd rather suffer through a root canal than listen to that poor woman's interview again
    I've bet heavily on Rubio winning the nomination and then defeating Hilary with about 300 EV but I'm a cool cat and don't panic when things don't go to plan ...ergo , Trump is just a lot of noise , a Pat Buchannon on steroids ; a political version of a WWF wrestler and about just as eloquent ...his supporters tend to be a WWF -like crowd of low information voters , many of whom will never turn out to actually vote ...I will be genuinely surprised if he wins a single state
    I expect Ted Cruz to win Iowa and then Rubio to win NH and Cruz may well do well in some southern states but the further away from the Bible Belt he goes the less support he will get
    Furthermore , Nate Silver is correct insomuch that the Blue states are weighted in favour of a moderate republican and tend to have a greater population density and more EVs ..the problem for Cruz is that he is just too redstate , too Texan and just too Elmore Gantry for folks outside of the Old South ...he even dresses like a Texan in cowboy boots , jeans and checkered shirt and reinforces the worst stereotypes of Texans ...he is not going to go down too well in those swing states
    Likability is very important in TV age politics and Cruz is disliked by almost everyone outside his immediate family ...he seems like a creep and a zealot
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    "A slightly simplistic view."

    Indeed, it is, Dr Fox, but it's a straight forward message. There's no point going into the vagaries of epigenetic changes, or leptins or whatever. Fat people were much rarer a hundred years. I accept that we tended to die of different things, but type 2 diabetes wasn't a major killer.

    My real point is that many people know that they have a bad diet. "Advice" is preaching to the converted or being deliberately ignored.

    And I haven't had a rant for a while.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,610
    John_M said:

    TOPPING said:

    I like the phrasing of the statement by the police, as reported by the BBC:

    "Armed officers were working in Bracknell Close at about 09:00 GMT when a man received gunshot wounds, police said."

    "Received gunshot wounds"...er...would that be the same as "was shot"?

    "Here you are darling, I hope you like them."

    "Oh my golly! Gunshot wounds! How thoughtful!".

    Just the coppers getting into the spirit of Christmas.
    I recommend: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-ambiguous-grammar
  • John Rentoul sums up the state of play in the Labour party in a few short paragraphs:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-prospects-of-a-labour-breakaway-fantasy-and-folly-a6768911.html

    "• Philip Collins in The Times (pay wall) today concludes that a breakaway party from Labour is a non-starter. He calls it a fantasy and a folly, but says Labour MPs must get rid of Jeremy Corbyn instead:

    By next year’s party conference Mr Corbyn could have cemented his position by changing all the party rules. That means the day will come soon when the shadow cabinet will have to force a contest in which the parliamentary party gathers around a single candidate. Mr Corbyn may not prove as meek, in those circumstances, as many of them suppose. In one sense, to act requires courage, but how courageous is it really to take the only available course?

    I agree that a non-Corbynite breakaway is a foolish idea, but it is quite easy to spot the flaw in Collins's plan. Who would the single candidate be, and how would the 300,000 or so of the Labour selectorate who support Jeremy Corbyn be persuaded of his or her superior virtues? Collins concludes: "Persuading Labour members of the truth will be a tough task, like rolling a stone uphill. There is no other option." I would say the impossible is not an option.

    I conclude that whatever happens is going to take a long time and that, although Things Can Only Get Better, they can get an awful lot worse first."

    There really isn't much else to say on the subject, though I'm sure we'll all keep jabbering on.
  • For those interested, Aunty now has a ‘Live’ update thread on the Woodgreen shooting.

    Based on the thread and main story however, they appear to know sweet fanny adams and have resorted to padding it out with old and unrelated news stories


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-35015480
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    RN Even some forces are admitting to having no go areas..and there certainly was one in Leeds when the Ripper murders were taking place.I know because I was embedded with the police at that time shooting a documentary...so in that case Trump is right...He may well be a nut but he is pointing out some truths that have been covered by politicians and officials for years..and lots of Americans appear to agree with him..time to get it all out there.

    Is the documentary available to watch anywhere?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    There is fruit on the left for UKIP to pluck, but the profile of the party's leadership makes that very difficult. If you look at the FN in France, they combine very strong anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric with high-profile, left-wing populist policies. That has allowed them to put down strong roots in former Communist and Socialist leaning areas. They have also worked incredibly hard at national and local level - doing the hard yards, much as the LDs did here back in the 90s and early 2000s. Again, the UKIP leadership does not seem that inclined to do this. They have their MEP salaries and their TV profiles and they seem to think that this is enough. Farage would clearly prefer a long lunch over a detailed policy and positioning discussion. That may make him a more entertaining bloke, but it lessens his impact as a game-changing politician.

    UKIP probably need a female leader to get beyond 20%. The people at UKIP's HQ in Oldham were pretty much 100% male for example,
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548



    A slightly simplistic view, but ultimatly people are responsible for their own diet and lack of exercise.

    But, in 2015, should we have to be?

    It's not peoples responsibility to avoid catching smallpox any more, so why can't we have a scientific/medical solution to obesity, other than the endless patriarchal preaching and moralising?

    I'm a fat bloke. I like eating and drinking. I do not like exercising. I want to have my cake and eat it, often literally. Life is short enough already, without depriving ourselves of one of its great pleasures.

    If we can create drugs that target tumour cells, surely we can painlessly blast calories out of the body? Is anyone doing any serious research into this sort of thing?

    Food is great. It really is. Let us enjoy the stuff.
    Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited December 2015

    John Rentoul sums up the state of play in the Labour party in a few short paragraphs:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-prospects-of-a-labour-breakaway-fantasy-and-folly-a6768911.html

    [snip]

    There really isn't much else to say on the subject, though I'm sure we'll all keep jabbering on.

    I've not read the Collins piece but from Rentoul's account it seems that it could be précised thus:

    "X is undesirable, so I'll call it impossible, and advocate for Y instead, which is actually impossible."
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    For those interested, Aunty now has a ‘Live’ update thread on the Woodgreen shooting.

    Based on the thread and main story however, they appear to know sweet fanny adams and have resorted to padding it out with old and unrelated news stories


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-london-35015480

    Local gangster/drug dealer shot. End of.

    Why are the BBC even bothering?
  • Sir Benjamin, you're willing us to spend billions on medical research rather than collectively exercising some self-control?

    Are you trolling?
  • On TV: saw the last episode of The Last Kingdom last night. Won't spoil it, but overall I've enjoyed the series rather a lot. There are some iffy moments, but I thought the portrayal of Alfred was excellent.

    Mr Dancer,

    Michael Caine played a good Alfred in the Dark Knight trilogy.
  • Dr. Prasannan, different Alfred, old bean :p
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    AndyJS Doubt it..the production company ceased to exist some years ago and it was before the digital age..so would have been on film..which were usually ditched....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,187
    edited December 2015
    518,956 people do not believe in Freedom of Speech!
  • John Rentoul sums up the state of play in the Labour party in a few short paragraphs:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/daily-catch-up-prospects-of-a-labour-breakaway-fantasy-and-folly-a6768911.html

    [snip]

    There really isn't much else to say on the subject, though I'm sure we'll all keep jabbering on.

    I've not read the Collins piece but from Rentoul's account it seems that it could be précised thus:

    "X is undesirable, so I'll call it impossible, and advocate for Y instead, which is actually impossible."
    The Shadow Cabinet and various others of a like mind now know what it is like to be between the devil and the deep blue sea.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    TOPPING said:

    I like the phrasing of the statement by the police, as reported by the BBC:

    "Armed officers were working in Bracknell Close at about 09:00 GMT when a man received gunshot wounds, police said."

    "Received gunshot wounds"...er...would that be the same as "was shot"?

    "Here you are darling, I hope you like them."

    "Oh my golly! Gunshot wounds! How thoughtful!".

    Just the coppers getting into the spirit of Christmas.
    I recommend: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-interactive-guide-to-ambiguous-grammar
    Good article, thanks. I've always been suspicious of the passive voice - it immediately makes me believe we're about to see spectacular feats of arse-covering.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2015
    London journalist thinks Gerry Adams is less unpopular than Trump. I doubt that's true with ordinary UK voters.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12044288/Why-this-is-the-week-that-Trump-went-toxic.html
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    518,956 people do not believe in Freedom of Speech!

    Trump is a bit of a prat, but we do already have banning orders on a number of people for inflammatory statements.

    Free speech in this country is history, and indeed was never absolute. The US Constitution does guarentee it though. In some ways the yanks are well ahead of us.


  • Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    The problem I have with gastric banding/bypass, in addition to the issues associated with invasive surgery, is that it works by making you eat less. I don't want to eat less. I deeply enjoy the experience of eating, and a substantial part of my career is dependent on it.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice. Brutal stuff. It really doesn't feel like 21st century medicine.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    edited December 2015

    There is fruit on the left for UKIP to pluck, but the profile of the party's leadership makes that very difficult. If you look at the FN in France, they combine very strong anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric with high-profile, left-wing populist policies. That has allowed them to put down strong roots in former Communist and Socialist leaning areas. They have also worked incredibly hard at national and local level - doing the hard yards, much as the LDs did here back in the 90s and early 2000s. Again, the UKIP leadership does not seem that inclined to do this. They have their MEP salaries and their TV profiles and they seem to think that this is enough. Farage would clearly prefer a long lunch over a detailed policy and positioning discussion. That may make him a more entertaining bloke, but it lessens his impact as a game-changing politician.

    ''If you look at the FN in France, they combine very strong anti-immigration and anti-EU rhetoric with high-profile, left-wing populist policies.''
    Which is why they are good old fascists.
    ''Again, the UKIP leadership does not seem that inclined to do this. They have their MEP salaries and their TV profiles and they seem to think that this is enough. Farage would clearly prefer a long lunch ''
    Which is why they are lazy fascists.
  • By next year’s party conference Mr Corbyn could have cemented his position by changing all the party rules.

    Sorry if someone's done this and I've missed it but it would be great if someone who knows a bit about internal Labour politics could take us through what kind of rules he could conceivably change and who has a veto on changing them.

    Likewise deselections: People keep saying the moderates need to move fast to prevent this, but what's the actual timetable?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,170
    edited December 2015

    518,956 people do not believe in Freedom of Speech!

    Trump is a bit of a prat, but we do already have banning orders on a number of people for inflammatory statements.

    Free speech in this country is history, and indeed was never absolute. The US Constitution does guarentee it though. In some ways the yanks are well ahead of us.
    Are we going to ban Pegida? The German far-right group plans demonstrations in UK according to Telegraph a couple of weeks ago.


  • Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice.
    Not food per se - just fat as a liquid oil. Of course oil is an effective lubricant....

    While being overweight is clearly unhealthy....some of the dietary advice over the last 50 years may not have been as robustly founded as its proponents might have you believe:

    http://thebigfatsurprise.com

    To adapt the old saying about teetotallers, - 'Vegetarians don't live longer - it just feels longer'
  • CD13 said:



    My real point is that many people know that they have a bad diet.

    This is another widespread assumption that I'm not convinced is true. We don't all eat every meal at Chicken Cottage and drink gallons of Pepsi every day. I'd hazard that just as many thin or averagely-built people eat a 'bad' diet, but this goes unnoticed. Equally there are fat people, such as myself, who generally eat natural, nutritious food, but in substantial quantities.

    There are tonnes of junk food places round here, which I generally have little cause to frequent. All of them appear full of skinny youngsters.

    It's not 'bad' diets that causes obesity. It's big diets. (And those who eat bad diets may be storing up a bunch of other problems for themselves, regardless of their size).
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The Czech President spoke at their last rally - bit tricky to ban him...

    518,956 people do not believe in Freedom of Speech!

    Trump is a bit of a prat, but we do already have banning orders on a number of people for inflammatory statements.

    Free speech in this country is history, and indeed was never absolute. The US Constitution does guarentee it though. In some ways the yanks are well ahead of us.
    Are we going to ban Pegida? The German far-right group plans demonstrations in UK according to Telegraph a couple of weeks ago.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,187
    edited December 2015



    Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice.
    Not food per se - just fat as a liquid oil. Of course oil is an effective lubricant....

    While being overweight is clearly unhealthy....some of the dietary advice over the last 50 years may not have been as robustly founded as its proponents might have you believe:

    http://thebigfatsurprise.com

    To adapt the old saying about teetotallers, - 'Vegetarians don't live longer - it just feels longer'
    Sunil: Meat? Ugh!

    TSE: It's what Ian Rush drinks!

    :lol:


  • Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    The problem I have with gastric banding/bypass, in addition to the issues associated with invasive surgery, is that it works by making you eat less. I don't want to eat less. I deeply enjoy the experience of eating, and a substantial part of my career is dependent on it.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice. Brutal stuff. It really doesn't feel like 21st century medicine.
    The 21st century solution is to identify the problem and develop ways to fix it. The problem is eating more calories than you burn there are lots of 21st century calorie trackers and exercise trackers you can get.

    What you seem to be suggesting is like saying: I like smoking so I want to be able to smoke and not get cancer. What is medicine doing about it. I like unprotected sex so I want to have lots of unprotected sex and not get STDs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,060
    Thought I would catch up on the PB thread before going for my lunch.

    Big mistake. Really big mistake.
  • [tyson]Have you read your fellow feminazi JHB's latest yet, Plato? No doubt you will enjoy it given your very unappealing and female opinions.[/tyson]

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/12045740/Todays-feminists-are-so-out-of-touch-with-how-most-women-live-they-might-as-well-be-on-another-planet.html
  • CD13 said:



    My real point is that many people know that they have a bad diet.

    This is another widespread assumption that I'm not convinced is true. We don't all eat every meal at Chicken Cottage and drink gallons of Pepsi every day. I'd hazard that just as many thin or averagely-built people eat a 'bad' diet, but this goes unnoticed. Equally there are fat people, such as myself, who generally eat natural, nutritious food, but in substantial quantities.

    There are tonnes of junk food places round here, which I generally have little cause to frequent. All of them appear full of skinny youngsters.

    It's not 'bad' diets that causes obesity. It's big diets. (And those who eat bad diets may be storing up a bunch of other problems for themselves, regardless of their size).
    Eating too big a portion regularly is a bad diet.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited December 2015
    :lol:

    I'll pop over and sup from the Devil's Cup...

    [tyson]Have you read your fellow feminazi JHB's latest yet, Plato? No doubt you will enjoy it given your very unappealing and female opinions.[/tyson]

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/12045740/Todays-feminists-are-so-out-of-touch-with-how-most-women-live-they-might-as-well-be-on-another-planet.html
  • What you seem to be suggesting is like saying: I like smoking so I want to be able to smoke and not get cancer. What is medicine doing about it. I like unprotected sex so I want to have lots of unprotected sex and not get STDs.

    Priorities, man. Once we've solved the hugely more pressing and fundamental food problem we should indeed move onto these.
  • DavidL said:

    Thought I would catch up on the PB thread before going for my lunch.

    Big mistake. Really big mistake.

    What do you find "offensive"?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited December 2015
    ARF!

    The SNP on Edinburgh Council are opposed to a referendum on extending the tram because - no, really - "it would divide the city"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV79zeuWsAA7w9u.png:large
  • DavidL said:

    Thought I would catch up on the PB thread before going for my lunch.

    Big mistake. Really big mistake.

    What do you find "offensive"?
    Where do you find the word “offensive”?
  • Tyson Fury's behaviour makes Anthony Joshua a saint in waiting

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/35056459

    Well we know who the BBC are backing...a former drug dealer....
  • ARF!

    The SNP on Edinburgh Council are opposed to a referendum on extending the tram because - no, really - "it would divide the city"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV79zeuWsAA7w9u.png:large

    As a matter of interest - is it actually possible now to fly to Edinburgh and get a tram straight to the city?
  • Good piece on Oldham. Andrew Gwynne gets it. But how many seats will have a Jim McMahon as a candidate next time, and how many will have a Stop The War agitator?

    I believe UKIP is attempting to become the Scottish National Party of northern England. In Scotland, we took our vote for granted, and we paid the price. We cannot let the same thing happen to our northern heartlands. We have to halt the malaise in northern seats, and work every single constituency like a marginal. It is about reconnecting, and earning the right to be heard through hard work and a track record of delivery through local councils. This is what won it in Oldham, and I see no reason for that success not to be replicated across the north in 2020 – as long as we all put the work in.

    http://labourlist.org/2015/12/how-the-oldham-west-was-won/

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    JHB is spot on. I do like her wit.

    [tyson]Have you read your fellow feminazi JHB's latest yet, Plato? No doubt you will enjoy it given your very unappealing and female opinions.[/tyson]

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/12045740/Todays-feminists-are-so-out-of-touch-with-how-most-women-live-they-might-as-well-be-on-another-planet.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,060

    DavidL said:

    Thought I would catch up on the PB thread before going for my lunch.

    Big mistake. Really big mistake.

    What do you find "offensive"?
    Far be it for me to point any fingers but Carlotta, was that really necessary?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,956
    edited December 2015
    Someone yesterday asked me what RT were reporting on - delayed response, but today it seems they're enjoying reporting on a brawl in the Ukrainian parliament provoked by an MP presenting Prime Minister Arseny Yatsunyuk with a bouquet of roses and then trying to carry him away with one arm under his crotch.
    https://www.rt.com/news/325598-rada-fight-yatsenyuk-roses/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwa2tooywPM
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,060

    ARF!

    The SNP on Edinburgh Council are opposed to a referendum on extending the tram because - no, really - "it would divide the city"

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV79zeuWsAA7w9u.png:large

    As a matter of interest - is it actually possible now to fly to Edinburgh and get a tram straight to the city?
    Yes but hardly anyone does. The railway runs along the fence of the airport but you can't get onto that.


  • Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice.
    Not food per se - just fat as a liquid oil. Of course oil is an effective lubricant....

    While being overweight is clearly unhealthy....some of the dietary advice over the last 50 years may not have been as robustly founded as its proponents might have you believe:

    http://thebigfatsurprise.com

    To adapt the old saying about teetotallers, - 'Vegetarians don't live longer - it just feels longer'
    Sunil: Meat? Ugh!

    TSE: It's what Ian Rush drinks!

    :lol:
    Ian Rush?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548



    Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    The problem I have with gastric banding/bypass, in addition to the issues associated with invasive surgery, is that it works by making you eat less. I don't want to eat less. I deeply enjoy the experience of eating, and a substantial part of my career is dependent on it.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice. Brutal stuff. It really doesn't feel like 21st century medicine.
    The 21st century solution is to identify the problem and develop ways to fix it. The problem is eating more calories than you burn there are lots of 21st century calorie trackers and exercise trackers you can get.

    What you seem to be suggesting is like saying: I like smoking so I want to be able to smoke and not get cancer. What is medicine doing about it. I like unprotected sex so I want to have lots of unprotected sex and not get STDs.
    When I was a med student in the early days of AIDS I was approached by a graphic designer friend who asked me about the risks as a hetero sexual. I replied that at that time the risk was very low, but may be much more of a problem in a few years. His response: "So you are saying that I screw around as much as I can now, while it is still safe?" A perfectly valid interpretation of my summary!
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Thought I would catch up on the PB thread before going for my lunch.

    Big mistake. Really big mistake.

    What do you find "offensive"?
    Far be it for me to point any fingers but Carlotta, was that really necessary?
    Just a little bit of science!

    In any case, I found the book about 'The Big Fat Surprise' a very welcome fillip to dining!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,956

    CD13 said:



    My real point is that many people know that they have a bad diet.

    This is another widespread assumption that I'm not convinced is true. We don't all eat every meal at Chicken Cottage and drink gallons of Pepsi every day. I'd hazard that just as many thin or averagely-built people eat a 'bad' diet, but this goes unnoticed. Equally there are fat people, such as myself, who generally eat natural, nutritious food, but in substantial quantities.

    There are tonnes of junk food places round here, which I generally have little cause to frequent. All of them appear full of skinny youngsters.

    It's not 'bad' diets that causes obesity. It's big diets. (And those who eat bad diets may be storing up a bunch of other problems for themselves, regardless of their size).
    No, it's bad diets. You think your diet is a healthy one; it isn't.
  • Good piece on Oldham. Andrew Gwynne gets it. But how many seats will have a Jim McMahon as a candidate next time, and how many will have a Stop The War agitator?

    Yes, a very good piece, which all parties would do well to study and learn from.

    However, I was a bit surprised by this bit:

    Our data consistently showed that of everybody who told us they were voting Labour before the general election, eight in ten were supporting us again. But – here is the crucial part – we were actually winning over substantial numbers of people who told us before the last election that they wouldn’t be supporting us. This explains our increased vote share.

    It may well explain the increased vote share, but it flatly contradicts what Labour sources were saying right up until the close of polling (and I think saying honestly, although you never can be sure).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,187
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    Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice.
    Not food per se - just fat as a liquid oil. Of course oil is an effective lubricant....

    While being overweight is clearly unhealthy....some of the dietary advice over the last 50 years may not have been as robustly founded as its proponents might have you believe:

    http://thebigfatsurprise.com

    To adapt the old saying about teetotallers, - 'Vegetarians don't live longer - it just feels longer'
    Sunil: Meat? Ugh!

    TSE: It's what Ian Rush drinks!

    :lol:
    Ian Rush?
    Yeah! And he said if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up, I only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pieK7b4KLL4
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    @SirBenjamin There's a body type referred to within bodybuilding circles as fat-skinny. Those who appear very slim, but actually have very little muscle mass. I take no notice of BMI figures as they're enormously misleading.

    Whilst I wouldn't fancy being very overweight for pure vanity reasons - I take a pretty open-minded view about it all. Some folks are heavy set [endomorphic] and find it very difficult to maintain a fashionable notion of *the right size*. http://www.britannica.com/science/endomorph We all know people who can live on a diet of Mars Bars and look like stick insects, the opposite is also true.


  • Eat, drink and be merry for tommorow we may diet!

    Gastric banding works quite well, as does gastric bypass. There are also drugs that cause fat malabsorption. I have never fancied the consequent dumping syndrome or steatorrhea myself though, but to each their own.

    I've heard the horror stories about the fat absorption blockers - food coming out essentially undigested at a moments notice.
    Not food per se - just fat as a liquid oil. Of course oil is an effective lubricant....

    While being overweight is clearly unhealthy....some of the dietary advice over the last 50 years may not have been as robustly founded as its proponents might have you believe:

    http://thebigfatsurprise.com

    To adapt the old saying about teetotallers, - 'Vegetarians don't live longer - it just feels longer'
    Sunil: Meat? Ugh!

    TSE: It's what Ian Rush drinks!

    :lol:
    Ian Rush?
    Yeah! And he said if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up, I only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!
    Accrington Stanley, who are they?
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