According to the German authorities, one organisation splitting into two in 1997. Seperately run organisations - sure. 'Another organisation with the same initials' - pushing it. It seems notable that the one stopped its activities in Germany when the other begun.
My point, and I don't regret the source I used to illustrate it, was that there are clear reasons to suppose that this NGO is a legitimate target for an airstrike within Syria, as opposed to the 'NGO bread bakery' story which makes it appear that Putin just bombed the local Oxfam shop.
Those who take something from my posting words to that affect will have done so, and I'm glad to have added some nuance to their view of the event. Whether you exhuming this, trumpeting 'Alex Jones' every post, and trying to make me look bad will have added much to the debate is up to you to decide.
''More likely after 2025, and maybe not even then.''
I don't see the moderates ever winning again. The great mass movement of working people that used to be labour no longer exists.
This depends what you mean by "moderates". There's never going to be a swivel-eyed ultra-Blairite winning the leadership again, true.
But the Soft Left is still near-unbeatable in Labour leadership elections IF they offer a good candidate; most members want to win elections while still having just about enough principles to make it worthwhile. The problem was there was perceived to be no Soft Left candidate in this year's leadership election (Burnham could've been it but destroyed it by following Liz Kendall down the Blairite rabbit-hole in the first couple of weeks of the contest, and even though he tried to swerve back later people had stopped trusting him).
What was wrong with Yvette ?
She also went down the Blairite rabbit hole. And didn't really come out of it.
What Labour really needs to sort itself out is a not crap Ed Miliband.
@PickardJE · 2m2 minutes ago Sounds like Labour MPs buckling under pressure: leader's office briefing 100 Syria rebels - others suggest it may be down to 30 or 40 now.
The Oldham optics could yet be focussing minds - seeing as UKIP are (I think) against bombing.
"the creations of Pons Quitana, Paco Gil, Victoria Spruce, Iris Morata, Cuple, Barbara Bui, BF Coleccion Europa, Caramelo, Chie Miraha, Ellen Ver Beek and many more...."
''More likely after 2025, and maybe not even then.''
I don't see the moderates ever winning again. The great mass movement of working people that used to be labour no longer exists.
This depends what you mean by "moderates". There's never going to be a swivel-eyed ultra-Blairite winning the leadership again, true.
But the Soft Left is still near-unbeatable in Labour leadership elections IF they offer a good candidate; most members want to win elections while still having just about enough principles to make it worthwhile. The problem was there was perceived to be no Soft Left candidate in this year's leadership election (Burnham could've been it but destroyed it by following Liz Kendall down the Blairite rabbit-hole in the first couple of weeks of the contest, and even though he tried to swerve back later people had stopped trusting him).
What was wrong with Yvette ?
She also went down the Blairite rabbit hole. And didn't really come out of it.
What Labour really needs to sort itself out is a not crap Ed Miliband.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
My point, and I don't regret the source I used to illustrate it, was that there are clear reasons to suppose that this NGO is a legitimate target for an airstrike within Syria, as opposed to the 'NGO bread bakery' story which makes it appear that Putin just bombed the local Oxfam shop.
Those who take something from my posting words to that affect will have done so, and I'm glad to have added some nuance to their view of the event. Whether you exhuming this, trumpeting 'Alex Jones' every post, and trying to make me look bad will have added much to the debate is up to you to decide.
Someone complaining about me using Wikipedia, when you use PrisonPlanet without verification, is quite delicious. BTW, that was not the only place I checked. I also suggest you read the talk in wiki about it as well - sometimes (although far from always) more enlightening than the actual article.
As for your source: it shows that the German and Turkish IHH's are two different organisations. Well done. And note that has nothing to do with your original claim about the Netherlands. A very poor attempt at diversion.
So what we have is that it was not banned in the Netherlands, as you claimed after reading a conspiracy-theory website. Neither was it banned in Germany.
There are 'clear reasons' for the attack in your conspiracy-theorist mind. Alternatively, it might just have been a bakery giving bread charitably to people who need it. You cannot know. I cannot know. But as usual, you cluelessly back Putin.
Thanks for showing once again that your self-satisfied checks for sources are so much bunkum. The only thing that people should take from your words are that you are a clueless tinfoil-hatter. 'Teeth are bone', 'The Olympic was swapped for the Titanic', and many more.
I hope I don't have long to wait for the next: I need a laugh.
Number of Labour MPs voting for bombing likely to be 30-40. Source says: "Many are facing appalling intimidation from the anti-war brigade." 3:41 PM - 1 Dec 2015
Number of Labour MPs voting for bombing likely to be 30-40. Source says: "Many are facing appalling intimidation from the anti-war brigade." 3:41 PM - 1 Dec 2015
Your attitude is rather sad - you of all people I would have thought would be interested in a diet that historically made the Scottish population so healthy. Haggis (nutrient rich organ meats - a common theme), soaked oats (as I described), turnips - all very much part of the Weston A Price school of thought. Far healthier than England's contemporary diet of wheat (albeit that all bread was soaked in those days).
That's a lovely story that's completely ruined by the reality of the Scottish diet being grossly inferior and Scotland constantly teetering on the edge of famine due to the lack of arable land.
This situation was only remedied by the introduction of the potato and the creation of a sufficiently awesome subsoil plow which was as late as the start of the nineteenth century, and high energy density grains.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
When peace comes to Syria - Labour get no credit.
I think the peaceniks are on safe ground with that calculation tbh.
"the creations of Pons Quitana, Paco Gil, Victoria Spruce, Iris Morata, Cuple, Barbara Bui, BF Coleccion Europa, Caramelo, Chie Miraha, Ellen Ver Beek and many more...."
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
I imagine that a great deal of this is kept out of the press only for it to be later reported that people have been convicted of plotting to bomb places like Westfield.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
We don't hear about all terror-related arrests and operations - for very good reasons. Lack of awareness does not mean that there is not a significant effort in these areas.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
Rest assured, a lack of publicity doesn't mean nothing is happening.
It seems from the results so far from the poll,it's a recount with a Labour win ie PB is predicting a photo-finish with Labour ahead by a nostril,ukip not quite managing to get enough Tories to switch.The relative strength of the Tory vote will ensure a win for Jim McMahon-by a whisker.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
I imagine that a great deal of this is kept out of the press only for it to be later reported that people have been convicted of plotting to bomb places like Westfield.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
Rest assured, a lack of publicity doesn't mean nothing is happening.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
We don't hear about all terror-related arrests and operations - for very good reasons. Lack of awareness does not mean that there is not a significant effort in these areas.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Number of Labour MPs voting for bombing likely to be 30-40. Source says: "Many are facing appalling intimidation from the anti-war brigade." 3:41 PM - 1 Dec 2015
People in favour of peace using intimidation. No - surely not!
I wonder whether there's a chance that the vote will not go ahead or might be lost. Still, Labour will be pleased and they will have a message at last: Labour - the terrorists's friend.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Well this is the man who would rather a suicide bomber was tickled with a feather duster than neutralized.
Told John Baron has forced a vote in Foreign Affairs Committee 4,3 against strikes. Awkward for Cameron.
Isn't John Baron's case that we ought to be prepared to (theoretically) commit ground troops before we carry out air strikes? I have some sympathy with that, though I think air strikes on their own are better than abstaining at this juncture.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
If Mr Corbyn cares so much about finding a non-violent solution then I suggest he flies to Raqqa and speaks to ISIS directly to help find ways of getting them what they want through negotiation. I am sure that his reception there would be a memorable one ....
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Completely unfair comment.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
Corbyn opposed the Falklands war - the junta might still be in power if we had followed his pusillanimous approach.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh · 1m1 minute ago The Leader of the Opposition's office estimates 100 Labour MPs could vote for Syria bombing. Tories expecting 50ish. I'm told real fig is 70
Mr. Owls, if Gaddafi had been left unchecked, people would be criticising Cameron for not stopping genocide (and the country might have fallen to Islamists anyway).
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 2m2 minutes ago Jeremy Corbyn: "More than 75% of Labour party members have indicated they are opposed to air strikes". That's just a lie.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
@bbclaurak: Big row brewing about Labour MP @LouHaigh tweeting about Security briefing - trying to get to bottom of what happened
If she's broken the OSA a chat with Plod would be in order.
Too many tweets make a tw@t...Above all else, incredibly unprofessional. Not what you would expect of an MP in relation to incredibly sensitive matters.
Voting against intervention is voting to allow ISIS to carry on with their behaviour; it isn't a vote for peace, it's a vote to step aside during beheadings, terrorism, summary executions, genocide, persecution of 'others'.
The desire to bomb Syria was borne of the terrorism in Paris wasn't it? The big danger to us must be British terrorists currently in Britain. What I find surprising/worrying are the lack of arrests/raids here
Rest assured, a lack of publicity doesn't mean nothing is happening.
And also we are not proposing to bomb 'syria', we are bombing ISIS who are operating on the Syrian side of the Syria/Iraq border. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Incredible. And this is truly getting emotional and angry. Has there been anything like this in a long time? Last I can think of is the famous Healey speech at a party conference about the IMF.
The real Moore was - at his trial he objected to some evidence as hearsay. It was pointed out that it was the same kind of evidence that he had used to convict and burn heretics....
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
NB also I suspect voting against the Government on this will be a sine qua non for the next leader. Bet accordingly when the division lists come out.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
NB also I suspect voting against the Government on this will be a sine qua non for the next leader. Bet accordingly when the division lists come out.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
That is a good point and it highlights the problem. Looked at that way Benn and Corbyn act as two centres around which the party can split. Benn is the de facto leader of the moderates and Corbyn gets the communists & hard-liners.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Completely unfair comment.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
(Snip)
I'm far from convinced that's the way it works. It's an excuse, but excuses are all Islamic terrorists have had from well before 9/11.
If we do not bomb, they'll just find something else as an excuse.
''More likely after 2025, and maybe not even then.''
I don't see the moderates ever winning again. The great mass movement of working people that used to be labour no longer exists.
This depends what you mean by "moderates". There's never going to be a swivel-eyed ultra-Blairite winning the leadership again, true.
But the Soft Left is still near-unbeatable in Labour leadership elections IF they offer a good candidate; most members want to win elections while still having just about enough principles to make it worthwhile. The problem was there was perceived to be no Soft Left candidate in this year's leadership election (Burnham could've been it but destroyed it by following Liz Kendall down the Blairite rabbit-hole in the first couple of weeks of the contest, and even though he tried to swerve back later people had stopped trusting him).
What was wrong with Yvette ?
She also went down the Blairite rabbit hole. And didn't really come out of it.
What Labour really needs to sort itself out is a not crap Ed Miliband.
Yup.
Labour are totally stuffed and will probably cease to exist in its present form, certainly in the form Ed Miliband left it, within 2 years.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
NB also I suspect voting against the Government on this will be a sine qua non for the next leader. Bet accordingly when the division lists come out.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Completely unfair comment.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
(Snip)
I'm far from convinced that's the way it works. It's an excuse, but excuses are all Islamic terrorists have had from well before 9/11.
If we do not bomb, they'll just find something else as an excuse.
Good afternoon all. You make an excellent point. We keep looking at Salafism as if it's somehow related to Western concepts - tit for tat, revenge and reprisal. Whereas the creed compels believers to make war on the infidel. We're an offence just by existing - we have to either convert or die. I doubt we'll ever comprehend.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
Corbyn seems more bothered about killing innocent people in Syria than about innocent people being murdered here.
Completely unfair comment.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
We're bombing their 'brothers' in Iraq right now, Owls. They hate us already. Seven plots foiled this year, Brussels on lock down not to mention Paris.
Jeremy Corbyn and Hilary Benn are now in open conflict over Syrian air strikes.
In a dramatic intervention on BBC Radio earlier today, Mr Corbyn singled out Mr Benn - who supports air strikes - and said that meant killing innocent people.
I think that Benn is setting himself up for a coronation. What other senior Labour figure has shown any form of leadership? If Corbyn goes then there is only one obvious successor.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
NB also I suspect voting against the Government on this will be a sine qua non for the next leader. Bet accordingly when the division lists come out.
Exactly. This isn't about Syria anymore.
Labour are totally pacifist then, even if it has to be beaten into them.
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CON down below 15%
LDs to outperform expectations (or at least retain their deposit).
Sir Oink-A-Lot to beat the Greens.
According to the German authorities, one organisation splitting into two in 1997. Seperately run organisations - sure. 'Another organisation with the same initials' - pushing it. It seems notable that the one stopped its activities in Germany when the other begun.
They also fiercely deny being linked to Al Qaeda after being raided by the Turkish police: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-police-detain-28-in-anti-al-qaeda-op-raid-on-ihh-office.aspx?PageID=238&NID=61000&NewsCatID=341
They also fiercely deny that it was their lorries that were raided with weapons bound for Syria: http://www.todayszaman.com/latest-news_suspicious-of-arms-shipment-turkish-army-stops-truck-bound-for-syria_335503.html
My point, and I don't regret the source I used to illustrate it, was that there are clear reasons to suppose that this NGO is a legitimate target for an airstrike within Syria, as opposed to the 'NGO bread bakery' story which makes it appear that Putin just bombed the local Oxfam shop.
Those who take something from my posting words to that affect will have done so, and I'm glad to have added some nuance to their view of the event. Whether you exhuming this, trumpeting 'Alex Jones' every post, and trying to make me look bad will have added much to the debate is up to you to decide.
He's done an Alistair Meeks with his prediction though:
Name
Tom Harris
User
Winner
Labour
Conservative %
12.07
Green %
2.47
Labour %
43.56
Liberal Democrat %
5.27
UKIP %
36.06
Lab win by
0-5 2/1
5-10 15/8
10-15 9/2
15-20 33/1
20-25 40/1
25+ 50/1
Lab Lose 11/4
Any more for any more???
What Labour really needs to sort itself out is a not crap Ed Miliband.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Book-Shoes-Marta-Morales/dp/1770851240
"the creations of Pons Quitana, Paco Gil, Victoria Spruce, Iris Morata, Cuple, Barbara Bui, BF Coleccion Europa, Caramelo, Chie Miraha, Ellen Ver Beek and many more...."
I'm guessing you're a Lib Dem with the wishful thinking on the bottom two.
'Vote for action if you choose, but remember that Momentum know where you live'.
As for your source: it shows that the German and Turkish IHH's are two different organisations. Well done. And note that has nothing to do with your original claim about the Netherlands. A very poor attempt at diversion.
So what we have is that it was not banned in the Netherlands, as you claimed after reading a conspiracy-theory website. Neither was it banned in Germany.
There are 'clear reasons' for the attack in your conspiracy-theorist mind. Alternatively, it might just have been a bakery giving bread charitably to people who need it. You cannot know. I cannot know. But as usual, you cluelessly back Putin.
Thanks for showing once again that your self-satisfied checks for sources are so much bunkum. The only thing that people should take from your words are that you are a clueless tinfoil-hatter. 'Teeth are bone', 'The Olympic was swapped for the Titanic', and many more.
I hope I don't have long to wait for the next: I need a laugh.
French regionals follow on closely from Oldham. Wonder if the BBC will put them on the front page
Yet the Labour for Oldham odds are falling...
This situation was only remedied by the introduction of the potato and the creation of a sufficiently awesome subsoil plow which was as late as the start of the nineteenth century, and high energy density grains.
The general leftist retort is, 'then why aren;t be bombing Saudi Arabia.'
~310.
+ DUP + Libdems
~325
+ 40 Labour MPs
~365
Looking at a majority of 70-80 MPs.
300,000 Spaniards came out against "austerity" two years ago. And it merited not a single paragraph that I noticed.
It signifies that no one really knows.
On February 9, Intrade gave a 31% chance to Assad being out of office by the end of June and a 58% chance that he would be out by December 31, 2012.
Just checking...
@Rcs1000 We shall see
I'm increasingly confident they will keep their deposit.
Is the ghost of Steve J trying to tell me something?
A Man for All Seasons =/= Nick Palmer
Check the film on wiki
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/453191/cameron-is-the-inspiration-behind-a-new-beer-called-figpucker.thtml
Late drift might be enough to get Corbyn over the line on Oldham.
Dr Marsha Levine, an expert in horse domestication, told the 13-year-old that she would not answer her questions because she boycotts Israel
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12027011/Retired-Cambridge-academic-refuses-to-help-Israeli-girl-with-school-project-until-there-is-peace-in-Palestine.html
And we wondered why approval of Corbynism was so high among this demographic...
People in favour of peace using intimidation. No - surely not!
I wonder whether there's a chance that the vote will not go ahead or might be lost. Still, Labour will be pleased and they will have a message at last: Labour - the terrorists's friend.
Well this is the man who would rather a suicide bomber was tickled with a feather duster than neutralized.
@make_trouble: The danger of the 'rush to tweet'. https://t.co/aXHGTt1GCo
If Mr Corbyn cares so much about finding a non-violent solution then I suggest he flies to Raqqa and speaks to ISIS directly to help find ways of getting them what they want through negotiation. I am sure that his reception there would be a memorable one ....
Completely unfair comment.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
Corbyn opposed the Falklands war - the junta might still be in power if we had followed his pusillanimous approach.
The Leader of the Opposition's office estimates 100 Labour MPs could vote for Syria bombing. Tories expecting 50ish. I'm told real fig is 70
Jeremy Corbyn: "More than 75% of Labour party members have indicated they are opposed to air strikes". That's just a lie.
Afternoon all,
Popcorn replenished. Now it turns truly nasty.
Why will the Corbynite membership vote for someone who they can see is destabilising Corbyn? Look left, but loyal.
Absolutely no problem with someone making a profit. But boasting about it is deliberately antagonistic and shameless.
Incredible. And this is truly getting emotional and angry. Has there been anything like this in a long time? Last I can think of is the famous Healey speech at a party conference about the IMF.
NB also I suspect voting against the Government on this will be a sine qua non for the next leader. Bet accordingly when the division lists come out.
What about the fence sitters ?
That is a good point and it highlights the problem. Looked at that way Benn and Corbyn act as two centres around which the party can split. Benn is the de facto leader of the moderates and Corbyn gets the communists & hard-liners.
New "New Labour"?
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
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I'm far from convinced that's the way it works. It's an excuse, but excuses are all Islamic terrorists have had from well before 9/11.
If we do not bomb, they'll just find something else as an excuse.
Edited extra bit: most bitter civil war since the daleks?
Exactly. This isn't about Syria anymore.
If we do not bomb, they'll just find something else as an excuse.
Good afternoon all. You make an excellent point. We keep looking at Salafism as if it's somehow related to Western concepts - tit for tat, revenge and reprisal. Whereas the creed compels believers to make war on the infidel. We're an offence just by existing - we have to either convert or die. I doubt we'll ever comprehend.
Can you really not see the link between killing innocent people and the growth in people willing to kill innocents here.
How many wars have you already supported that have made matters worse like (Libya?)
We're bombing their 'brothers' in Iraq right now, Owls. They hate us already. Seven plots foiled this year, Brussels on lock down not to mention Paris.
They hate and despise us already, @bigjohnowls.
Labour are totally pacifist then, even if it has to be beaten into them.