There's a Loony on the ballot too IIRC. So need to total to under 100%
I left 0.5% for other assorted loons. I do however think the Lib Dems should be odds on for beating the MRLP. I felt generous, and put them in at 1.94%.
There's a Loony on the ballot too IIRC. So need to total to under 100%
I left 0.5% for other assorted loons. I do however think the Lib Dems should be odds on for beating the MRLP. I felt generous, and put them in at 1.94%.
Not much meaningful difference between voting Loony or Liberal these days.
Most of the chemicals that go to make up our bodies and which we rely upon to survive are poisonous in large enough concentrations. It is a matter of scale and circumstances. The idea that fluoride in the sorts of concentrations you find it in dental products is a poison is just garbage
There is a subtlety between what will make you drop dead on the spot, and what will be injurious to health if practised on a long term basis, that you are clearly missing. I'm not saying that fluoride in toothpaste will make people keel over, I am saying that although 'safe' in small doses, building up a large load of a toxic chemical that your body has to excrete or store is not a good idea.
Toothpaste has around 1500 ppm of flouride. Which means it has a lower concentration than wine, tea and raisins. Of course these things also contain acids are should not be left in contact with your teeth for extended periods, whereas toothpaste is free from such negatives.
The sheer muppetry of your posts on this are genuinely beyond belief.
Not sure where you are getting your info from - wine at more than 1500 ppm of fluoride?
There's a Loony on the ballot too IIRC. So need to total to under 100%
I left 0.5% for other assorted loons. I do however think the Lib Dems should be odds on for beating the MRLP. I felt generous, and put them in at 1.94%.
Not much meaningful difference between voting Loony or Liberal these days.
Indeed - both have turned out to be closet Tories!
"Then there are the don't knows. They hate Corbyn"
That sounds like they do know.
What the "don't knows" mean is actually they hate the current Labour party, they hate Corbyn, but they also will never ever ever vote anybody else, because their family is Labour through and through.
Most of the chemicals that go to make up our bodies and which we rely upon to survive are poisonous in large enough concentrations. It is a matter of scale and circumstances. The idea that fluoride in the sorts of concentrations you find it in dental products is a poison is just garbage
There is a subtlety between what will make you drop dead on the spot, and what will be injurious to health if practised on a long term basis, that you are clearly missing. I'm not saying that fluoride in toothpaste will make people keel over, I am saying that although 'safe' in small doses, building up a large load of a toxic chemical that your body has to excrete or store is not a good idea.
Toothpaste has around 1500 ppm of flouride. Which means it has a lower concentration than wine, tea and raisins. Of course these things also contain acids are should not be left in contact with your teeth for extended periods, whereas toothpaste is free from such negatives.
The sheer muppetry of your posts on this are genuinely beyond belief.
Not sure where you are getting your info from - wine at more than 1500 ppm of fluoride?
Meh, my error, I misread a wiki table as g not mg. And while that puts me out by a factor of 1000, it still means a couple of bottles of will provide comparable amounts of flouride as a squeeze of toothpaste.
Unfortunately for Labour, both these white working-class groups have reasons to despise Jeremy Corbyn, which is what they are expressing on doorstep after doorstep. Blue-collar households think he’s soft on immigration and welfare and a republican pacifist. Disaffected voters either don’t know who he is, in which case he’s “just another politician”, or hear him speaking about socialism and solidarity and wonder what he’s blathering on about. Both groups will know full well what his and John McDonnell’s views on the IRA are. Both groups aren’t shy in hanging St George’s flags from their windows, as Emily Thornberry might note. All of which is good reason for Corbyn cancelling seat visits and concentrating on a good local candidate in Jim McMahon.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
I thought the thing about Labour struggling because people think they stand up / only interested in "White Dee" types.
I wondered if by that they meant the public sector worker sacked for stealing? the resultant benefit scrounging lay about? or the z-list reality tv celeb doing the PA circuit? Or all 3?
Slight danger in using this as a predictive tool - I've gone for Labour at around 48% Not because it's my best guess, but because I think it's possible, and there won't be many predictions in that area. Far more chance of being closest with an off-centre prediction, than jumping in the middle of the pack and hoping that I guessed right on those 2 decimal places.
Of course, there may be a couple of people bullish on UKIP's chances on the other side to balance me out, but using this as a competition AND a prediction tool can be contradictory.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
Well that's mostly a 65% and 90% prediction skewing things.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
And of course the "public consultation" that was as dodgy as could be. As they say, it isn't who votes, it is who counts the votes...
Most of the chemicals that go to make up our bodies and which we rely upon to survive are poisonous in large enough concentrations. It is a matter of scale and circumstances. The idea that fluoride in the sorts of concentrations you find it in dental products is a poison is just garbage
There is a subtlety between what will make you drop dead on the spot, and what will be injurious to health if practised on a long term basis, that you are clearly missing. I'm not saying that fluoride in toothpaste will make people keel over, I am saying that although 'safe' in small doses, building up a large load of a toxic chemical that your body has to excrete or store is not a good idea.
Toothpaste has around 1500 ppm of flouride. Which means it has a lower concentration than wine, tea and raisins. Of course these things also contain acids are should not be left in contact with your teeth for extended periods, whereas toothpaste is free from such negatives.
The sheer muppetry of your posts on this are genuinely beyond belief.
Not sure where you are getting your info from - wine at more than 1500 ppm of fluoride?
Meh, my error, I misread a wiki table as g not mg. And while that puts me out by a factor of 1000, it still means a couple of bottles of will provide comparable amounts of flouride as a squeeze of toothpaste.
The biggest concentration I've read about in wine is 6 parts per million. Meaning you went on a huge rant about me being a muppet, and it was you who turned out to look like a complete chump. Don't apologise though please, it's already forgotten.
As it happens, you do (purely by accident) raise a good point - not only do many of us live in areas where this poison (yes in small doses blah blah) is added to drinking water, we also get another secondary helping through food (especially that imported from the US) where there is a lot of fluoride in the water table, adding to our consumption. So therefore its more wise (not less) to limit consumption where possible.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
It a western version of N Korea.. KIm Jong Jezbollah..
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
You've upped your UKIP prediction from 5 to 33!!
It's a by-election. The Tories aren't in the race anymore. The party seen as the challenger will gain a load of protest votes. So, the facts have changed and I've changed my opinion.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
Well that's mostly a 65% and 90% prediction skewing things.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
It's a fine summary. Not sure that Twitter's the ideal medium to put it out on unless he was trying to build anticipation for his conclusion.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
It a western version of N Korea.. KIm Jong Jezbollah..
I like that. Kim Jong Jez and McMao have a rather good ring to it, and sums them up rather well.
Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.
Most of the chemicals that go to make up our bodies and which we rely upon to survive are poisonous in large enough concentrations. It is a matter of scale and circumstances. The idea that fluoride in the sorts of concentrations you find it in dental products is a poison is just garbage
There is a subtlety between what will make you drop dead on the spot, and what will be injurious to health if practised on a long term basis, that you are clearly missing. I'm not saying that fluoride in toothpaste will make people keel over, I am saying that although 'safe' in small doses, building up a large load of a toxic chemical that your body has to excrete or store is not a good idea.
Toothpaste has around 1500 ppm of flouride. Which means it has a lower concentration than wine, tea and raisins. Of course these things also contain acids are should not be left in contact with your teeth for extended periods, whereas toothpaste is free from such negatives.
The sheer muppetry of your posts on this are genuinely beyond belief.
Not sure where you are getting your info from - wine at more than 1500 ppm of fluoride?
Meh, my error, I misread a wiki table as g not mg. And while that puts me out by a factor of 1000, it still means a couple of bottles of will provide comparable amounts of flouride as a squeeze of toothpaste.
The biggest concentration I've read about in wine is 6 parts per million. Meaning you went on a huge rant about me being a muppet, and it was you who turned out to look like a complete chump. Don't apologise though please, it's already forgotten.
As it happens, you do (purely by accident) raise a good point - not only do many of us live in areas where this poison (yes in small doses blah blah) is added to drinking water, we also get another secondary helping through food (especially that imported from the US) where there is a lot of fluoride in the water table, adding to our consumption. So therefore its more wise (not less) to limit consumption where possible.
Given the obvious quality (or lack thereof) of your research (witness your IHH embarrassment last night), why should anyone take anything you say about medicine seriously?
Do you have any medical qualifications, or did you just get it from Alex Jones or a.n.other conspiracy website?
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
It's a fine summary. Not sure that Twitter's the ideal medium to put it out on unless he was trying to build anticipation for his conclusion.
He is only saying what I said from the minute Corbyn was elected.
I would be careful given your track record of 'research'.
In all seriousness, be very careful about believing what you read on websites (and to a lesser extent the media) about medical issues. Too much of it is quackery, clickbait or money-fodder. Some of it can be actively injurious to your health.
Actually, the opposite is true of the diet protocol I 'follow' (I'm not slavish). I follow a 'Weston A Price' diet. Price was a dentist who noted declining dental (and general) health in the US population in the early 20th century. He embarked on a mission to go around the world learning about the healthiest and longest lived societies - largely those untouched by industrialisation etc. From Eskimos, to African tribes, to Swiss villages. Such a thing can't be done these days - these peoples are gone.
He found each society, though some were nearly vegeterian, some almost entirely carniverous etc., had in common certain 'sacred foods' that kept them healthy, free from disease and long lived.
Look at today's society - we're being kept alive a bit longer by medical advances and greatly reduced deprivation, but healthier? Allergies and intolerances are out of control, cancer, heart and other diseases likewise. Who says our diet is healthier? 20 years ago fat was the enemy. It's now sugar. These are trends, not nutritional truths. The past is really the only place we can look to find out what's healthy - what worked generation to generation when there were no doctors. The unfashionable concept of wisdom. The 'risk' lies in following today's food fads.
Most of the chemicals that go to make up our bodies and which we rely upon to survive are poisonous in large enough concentrations. It is a matter of scale and circumstances. The idea that fluoride in the sorts of concentrations you find it in dental products is a poison is just garbage
There is a subtlety between what will make you drop dead on the spot, and what will be injurious to health if practised on a long term basis, that you are clearly missing. I'm not saying that fluoride in toothpaste will make people keel over, I am saying that although 'safe' in small doses, building up a large load of a toxic chemical that your body has to excrete or store is not a good idea.
Toothpaste has around 1500 ppm of flouride. Which means it has a lower concentration than wine, tea and raisins. Of course these things also contain acids are should not be left in contact with your teeth for extended periods, whereas toothpaste is free from such negatives.
The sheer muppetry of your posts on this are genuinely beyond belief.
Not sure where you are getting your info from - wine at more than 1500 ppm of fluoride?
Meh, my error, I misread a wiki table as g not mg. And while that puts me out by a factor of 1000, it still means a couple of bottles of will provide comparable amounts of flouride as a squeeze of toothpaste.
The biggest concentration I've read about in wine is 6 parts per million. Meaning you went on a huge rant about me being a muppet, and it was you who turned out to look like a complete chump. Don't apologise though please, it's already forgotten.
As it happens, you do (purely by accident) raise a good point - not only do many of us live in areas where this poison (yes in small doses blah blah) is added to drinking water, we also get another secondary helping through food (especially that imported from the US) where there is a lot of fluoride in the water table, adding to our consumption. So therefore its more wise (not less) to limit consumption where possible.
Given the obvious quality (or lack thereof) of your research (witness your IHH embarrassment last night), why should anyone take anything you say about medicine seriously?
Do you have any medical qualifications, or did you just get it from Alex Jones or a.n.other conspiracy website?
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
If you work backwards, Lib Dem and Green and MRLP will sum through to 5% or thereabouts. Aside from Tories 1 in 20 casting very minor party votes makes sense.
Going through to Con, well there will be a squeeze.
A 14% drop in Labour looks eminently sensible, 40% is still a fair few votes. And the rest going to UKIP wraps up the maths nicely.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
Given the obvious quality (or lack thereof) of your research (witness your IHH embarrassment last night), why should anyone take anything you say about medicine seriously?
Do you have any medical qualifications, or did you just get it from Alex Jones or a.n.other conspiracy website?
Was I embarrassed last night? Unlike you I don't trawl the threads of a morning on tenterhooks to see what you may have said the previous evening. By all means complete my utter degradation by repeating whatever incisive shard of wisdom from you I may have missed if that will please you.
As I've repeated (how many times are we up to now?) I expect intelligent readers to read my post, and decide whether they agree with the points made therein. If they think my post is utterly ridiculous they may choose to ignore. If they're not sure and want more information or supporting evidence, if I'm around I'll oblige. I wouldn't have thought this was a hard concept to assimilate, but we seem to be having great difficulty.
If you work backwards, Lib Dem and Green and MRLP will sum through to 5% or thereabouts. Aside from Tories 1 in 20 casting very minor party votes makes sense.
Going through to Con, well there will be a squeeze.
A 14% drop in Labour looks eminently sensible, 40% is still a fair few votes. And the rest going to UKIP wraps up the maths nicely.
I'm nearly with you - just think the South Asian voting block will magically tip it Labour's way.
''Those who think UKIP will win on average think that UKIP will get 48%. This seems optimistic on their part, maybe the same people who predicted 100 UKIP MPs.''
UKIP could get this by dint of a very very low labour turnout, I guess. IF the Guardian's characterisation of the seat is correct, labour will find it very hard to motivate those WWC voters who aren't put off by Corbyn.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
There is a strategic inevitability about it. Unless the MPs found a way to remove Corbyn and replace with a moderate, his position internally gets stronger and his associates firm up their chances as his replacement. With the big union paymasters aligned with the hard left political views (except Trident), Labour have no hope of a Kinnock style recovery this side of 2020. Kinnock had large moderate union leaders, Labour2015 does not.
The biggest concentration I've read about in wine is 6 parts per million. Meaning you went on a huge rant about me being a muppet, and it was you who turned out to look like a complete chump. Don't apologise though please, it's already forgotten.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
They were elected by their constituents. Those are the voters they have to represent.
Their duty is to their electorate not Corbyn.
Corbyn showed previous Labour leaders ZERO loyalty. He has no right to demand anything less than he was prepared to offer others in his position.
He is a leader in name only. His Shadow Cabinet is against him. His MPs are against him.
Let him run round the country leading his 'members' - and let the real politicians get on with trying to rebuild a Labour Party.
We need a proper opposition party - Corbyn is not capable of delivering that.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
Disingenuous though to pretend it is a free vote when it isn't. Being honest and using your powers is one thing, being deceitful something else.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
Had Corbyn shown the slightest bit of loyalty to previous leaders we might be in a different position now. What goes around comes around.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
Missing the point. Where you draw your leader from the parliamentary party then if he is so far out of agreement with them, then it is quite untenable. Corbyn Momentum Stopthewar know this and are intent on replacing the MPs to be in their own image. Labour is being transmogrified and those that do not like it will be wasting their breath trying to influence the members. They need to get out now. They need to blatantly start a parliamentary party that owes no loyalty to Corbyn and then all resign Corbyn's Labour. Do something or do nothing, the labour party they joined is finished.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
They were elected by their constituents. Those are the voters they have to represent. Their duty is to their electorate not Corbyn. Corbyn showed previous Labour leaders ZERO loyalty. He has no right to demand anything less than he was prepared to offer others in his position. He is a leader in name only. His Shadow Cabinet is against him. His MPs are against him. Let him run round the country leading his 'members' - and let the real politicians get on with trying to rebuild a Labour Party. We need a proper opposition party - Corbyn is not capable of delivering that.
Fine words, but the money is with the hard left and the votes for the Leader and votes for the re-selection of many of their MPs are in the hands of the hard left. The destination for Labour is either:- 1. It splits 2. Mass deselections of the moderate MPs 3. A combination of the above
I would be careful given your track record of 'research'.
In all seriousness, be very careful about believing what you read on websites (and to a lesser extent the media) about medical issues. Too much of it is quackery, clickbait or money-fodder. Some of it can be actively injurious to your health.
Actually, the opposite is true of the diet protocol I 'follow' (I'm not slavish). I follow a 'Weston A Price' diet. Price was a dentist who noted declining dental (and general) health in the US population in the early 20th century. He embarked on a mission to go around the world learning about the healthiest and longest lived societies - largely those untouched by industrialisation etc. From Eskimos, to African tribes, to Swiss villages. Such a thing can't be done these days - these peoples are gone.
He found each society, though some were nearly vegeterian, some almost entirely carniverous etc., had in common certain 'sacred foods' that kept them healthy, free from disease and long lived.
Look at today's society - we're being kept alive a bit longer by medical advances and greatly reduced deprivation, but healthier? Allergies and intolerances are out of control, cancer, heart and other diseases likewise. Who says our diet is healthier? 20 years ago fat was the enemy. It's now sugar. These are trends, not nutritional truths. The past is really the only place we can look to find out what's healthy - what worked generation to generation when there were no doctors. The unfashionable concept of wisdom. The 'risk' lies in following today's food fads.
Again more pure unadulterated nonsense.
Put simply, correlation is not causation. Pre industrialised diets contain virtually no refined sugar. The actual foods eaten are entirely irrelevant, what matters is no sugar. That's the core here and dressed up in all the insane psuedo-science doesn't change the basic concept.
Now, clearly you went with the reduction in sugar and for people willing to do that, good luck to them. Personally I think sugar is a damn fine addition to diets and science has developed ways we can deal with relatively higher (but not completely stupidly high) levels of refined sugar through regular brushing and flouridation.
But your nonsense about rinsing and the "evil" of flouride isn't a factor. The lack of sugar is.
I wouldn't characterise it in these terms but Hopi Sen has highlighted an important aspect of what's going on in Labour with the Syria vote:
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago Another way to explain it: Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
We keep hearing that Team Corbyn doesn't do nasty politics, its all about kinder gentler politics. The evidence so far is quite the opposite. Stuffing placemen, putting in place the chance to knee-cap dissenting voices by hard left grass roots operation, etc etc etc. This "free vote" is just another example.
Just think what would be in store for the rest of us if that shower of c*nts ever took full control of Government in this country.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
They were elected by their constituents. Those are the voters they have to represent.
Their duty is to their electorate not Corbyn.
Corbyn showed previous Labour leaders ZERO loyalty. He has no right to demand anything less than he was prepared to offer others in his position.
He is a leader in name only. His Shadow Cabinet is against him. His MPs are against him.
Let him run round the country leading his 'members' - and let the real politicians get on with trying to rebuild a Labour Party.
We need a proper opposition party - Corbyn is not capable of delivering that.
Democracy is inconvenient. Labour MPs seem unable to accept that Jeremy Corbyn won fair and square and so cannot reach an accommodation with themselves about what that means.
It's fine to be appalled by Jeremy Corbyn. I'm not a fan of him myself. But whose party is it? If MPs are out of step with the membership, why should the membership be ignored?
The MPs have rethinking to do if they want members to rethink. If they don't like where the Labour party is going, the exit is clearly marked. If they don't want to leave, they need to fight their corner showing respect to the views that clearly won in September. Never mind Jeremy Corbyn, there are hundreds of thousands of party members to respect. That does not mean carrying on as before and treating the leader as an inconvenience to be ignored.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
Missing the point. Where you draw your leader from the parliamentary party then if he is so far out of agreement with them, then it is quite untenable. Corbyn Momentum Stopthewar know this and are intent on replacing the MPs to be in their own image. Labour is being transmogrified and those that do not like it will be wasting their breath trying to influence the members. They need to get out now. They need to blatantly start a parliamentary party that owes no loyalty to Corbyn and then all resign Corbyn's Labour. Do something or do nothing, the labour party they joined is finished.
Spot on. But just as they could not act against Brown or EdMiliband, they lack the cojones to act decisively in numbers. A few may attempt a coup, but just look at the political appeasers in the shadow cabinet.
Sola dosis facit venenum, as Paracelsus said - 'the dose makes the poison'.
And you need to discriminate between acute and chronic doses. Cyanide taken continuously in very low doses isn't fatal, but a small amount taken all at once is.
We're all made of chemicals. I'd rather have my e-numbers (all tested) rather than that dangerous" organic" stuff which could be deadly.
Yes, the dose does make the poison, but that isn't to say that sustained small doses of something fatal in a larger dose is a good thing. On cyanide, the jury seems to be out, as studies haven't been made. http://www3.epa.gov/airtoxics/hlthef/cyanide.html
You've made this point on artificial vs. natural foods before, and all I can say is it's bunk.
He's using the powers at his disposal. His enemies have shown that they won't hesitate to do the same. He wouldn't have to do it if his MPs were willing to defer more to his personal mandate.
He only has a mandate from a small selectorate. The MPs have a mandate from a real thing - the electorate.
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Labour do not contract out the selection of their leaders to Labour constituency voters. He got a landslide from the party members and supporters. More senior party members who dislike that outcome need to accept that and either seek to change members' minds or shut up. At the moment they're doing neither.
Missing the point. Where you draw your leader from the parliamentary party then if he is so far out of agreement with them, then it is quite untenable. Corbyn Momentum Stopthewar know this and are intent on replacing the MPs to be in their own image. Labour is being transmogrified and those that do not like it will be wasting their breath trying to influence the members. They need to get out now. They need to blatantly start a parliamentary party that owes no loyalty to Corbyn and then all resign Corbyn's Labour. Do something or do nothing, the labour party they joined is finished.
I remember when the Conservative - Lib Dem coalition was being put together, alot of the Lib Dem policies were taken on board. In those first few heady days alot were wondering if the Lib Dems had got too much out of the deal compared to the Tories.
Corbyn will have to give in to his shadow cabinet on other issues, not just this but slowly, inevitably the 'moderates' will be heading to the jaws of death that are the Labour membership (As the Lib Dems did with the electorate).
The Corbyn project is a long game and goes beyond just Jeremy himself.
If you work backwards, Lib Dem and Green and MRLP will sum through to 5% or thereabouts. Aside from Tories 1 in 20 casting very minor party votes makes sense.
Going through to Con, well there will be a squeeze.
A 14% drop in Labour looks eminently sensible, 40% is still a fair few votes. And the rest going to UKIP wraps up the maths nicely.
I'm nearly with you - just think the South Asian voting block will magically tip it Labour's way.
Yes. I think that and the quality of the candidate, combined with UKIP's poor ground game..and low turnout will be enough to see Labour home.
This is a battle of who can be arsed. Not a Labour v. UKIP duel to the death.
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not 2 ?
Like Labour in Scotland.
Why Labour fear the worst in Oldham.
Summary of results...
http://show.nojam.com/a2t7/summary.php
And in that same hour, as they feasted
Came forth fingers of a man's hand
And the King saw
The part of the hand that wrote.
And this was the writing that was written:
'Mene, Mene, Tekel Upharsin'
'Thou Art Weighed In The Balance
and Found Wanting.'
That sounds like they do know.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 44m44 minutes ago
Since nobody seems to have written it, couple of tweets on why what Corbyn team are trying to do on Syria vote is nasty dirty politics..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 41m41 minutes ago
A free vote is an agreement to disagree. No punishments follow, no disloyalty, a promise from leadership that they accept MPs own choices..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 38m38 minutes ago
To have a free vote, MPs have to have faith that to disagree on this issue is not seen as breach of trust or betrayal of loyalty.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 36m36 minutes ago
But what Corbyn is doing is something entirely different. He is offering a poisoned free vote. MPs are technically unwhipped but know..
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 35m35 minutes ago
That from the leader there is no "agreement to disagree". He will not whip his agenda through Rosie W, but through Milne, the NEC & momentum
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 32m32 minutes ago
So Corbyn isn't offering MPs a truce, or accepting different views. He's saying he won't punish dissent by whips, but by other means.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 30m30 minutes ago
Corbyn's not offering MPs a free vote. He's inviting them to rebel in the knowledge he'll use a different sort of whip if they do.
Hopi Sen @hopisen · 5m5 minutes ago
Another way to explain it:
Under Corbyn, Rosie Winterton is "dignified" chief whip, but real whips are Milne, Lansman, Willsman, Fisher etc
I wondered if by that they meant the public sector worker sacked for stealing? the resultant benefit scrounging lay about? or the z-list reality tv celeb doing the PA circuit? Or all 3?
Not because it's my best guess, but because I think it's possible, and there won't be many predictions in that area. Far more chance of being closest with an off-centre prediction, than jumping in the middle of the pack and hoping that I guessed right on those 2 decimal places.
Of course, there may be a couple of people bullish on UKIP's chances on the other side to balance me out, but using this as a competition AND a prediction tool can be contradictory.
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news/77989/music-maestro-walton
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/01/labour-oldham-west-byelection-jeremy-corbyn
As it happens, you do (purely by accident) raise a good point - not only do many of us live in areas where this poison (yes in small doses blah blah) is added to drinking water, we also get another secondary helping through food (especially that imported from the US) where there is a lot of fluoride in the water table, adding to our consumption. So therefore its more wise (not less) to limit consumption where possible.
I wonder if any will wave back?
Do you have any medical qualifications, or did you just get it from Alex Jones or a.n.other conspiracy website?
UKIP - 42.5
Lab - 40.2
Con - 12.3
Grn - 3.1
LD - 1.5
MRL - 0.4
He found each society, though some were nearly vegeterian, some almost entirely carniverous etc., had in common certain 'sacred foods' that kept them healthy, free from disease and long lived.
Look at today's society - we're being kept alive a bit longer by medical advances and greatly reduced deprivation, but healthier? Allergies and intolerances are out of control, cancer, heart and other diseases likewise. Who says our diet is healthier? 20 years ago fat was the enemy. It's now sugar. These are trends, not nutritional truths. The past is really the only place we can look to find out what's healthy - what worked generation to generation when there were no doctors. The unfashionable concept of wisdom. The 'risk' lies in following today's food fads.
I enjoyed this one http://tapnewswire.com/2015/11/do-nuclear-bombs-actually-exist/
They should have the balls to act accordingly
Going through to Con, well there will be a squeeze.
A 14% drop in Labour looks eminently sensible, 40% is still a fair few votes. And the rest going to UKIP wraps up the maths nicely.
Still fuming I came within 0.06% of predicting Corbyn's vote but didn't win because those weren't the rules! I waz robbed....
As I've repeated (how many times are we up to now?) I expect intelligent readers to read my post, and decide whether they agree with the points made therein. If they think my post is utterly ridiculous they may choose to ignore. If they're not sure and want more information or supporting evidence, if I'm around I'll oblige. I wouldn't have thought this was a hard concept to assimilate, but we seem to be having great difficulty.
"You've got to know when to Oldham, know when to fold 'em..."
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/550716028293251073
UKIP could get this by dint of a very very low labour turnout, I guess. IF the Guardian's characterisation of the seat is correct, labour will find it very hard to motivate those WWC voters who aren't put off by Corbyn.
Lab 42.2
Con 8.6
Minor 5.4
Their duty is to their electorate not Corbyn.
Corbyn showed previous Labour leaders ZERO loyalty. He has no right to demand anything less than he was prepared to offer others in his position.
He is a leader in name only. His Shadow Cabinet is against him. His MPs are against him.
Let him run round the country leading his 'members' - and let the real politicians get on with trying to rebuild a Labour Party.
We need a proper opposition party - Corbyn is not capable of delivering that.
Name
Tom Harris
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Winner
Labour
Conservative %
12.07
Green %
2.47
Labour %
43.56
Liberal Democrat %
5.27
UKIP %
36.06
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Labour is being transmogrified and those that do not like it will be wasting their breath trying to influence the members. They need to get out now. They need to blatantly start a parliamentary party that owes no loyalty to Corbyn and then all resign Corbyn's Labour.
Do something or do nothing, the labour party they joined is finished.
1. It splits
2. Mass deselections of the moderate MPs
3. A combination of the above
Put simply, correlation is not causation. Pre industrialised diets contain virtually no refined sugar. The actual foods eaten are entirely irrelevant, what matters is no sugar. That's the core here and dressed up in all the insane psuedo-science doesn't change the basic concept.
Now, clearly you went with the reduction in sugar and for people willing to do that, good luck to them. Personally I think sugar is a damn fine addition to diets and science has developed ways we can deal with relatively higher (but not completely stupidly high) levels of refined sugar through regular brushing and flouridation.
But your nonsense about rinsing and the "evil" of flouride isn't a factor. The lack of sugar is.
It's fine to be appalled by Jeremy Corbyn. I'm not a fan of him myself. But whose party is it? If MPs are out of step with the membership, why should the membership be ignored?
The MPs have rethinking to do if they want members to rethink. If they don't like where the Labour party is going, the exit is clearly marked. If they don't want to leave, they need to fight their corner showing respect to the views that clearly won in September. Never mind Jeremy Corbyn, there are hundreds of thousands of party members to respect. That does not mean carrying on as before and treating the leader as an inconvenience to be ignored.
https://twitter.com/denoual85/status/671698159983308800
http://www3.epa.gov/airtoxics/hlthef/cyanide.html
You've made this point on artificial vs. natural foods before, and all I can say is it's bunk.
Corbyn will have to give in to his shadow cabinet on other issues, not just this but slowly, inevitably the 'moderates' will be heading to the jaws of death that are the Labour membership (As the Lib Dems did with the electorate).
The Corbyn project is a long game and goes beyond just Jeremy himself.
This is a battle of who can be arsed. Not a Labour v. UKIP duel to the death.