It's a state, it's fecking dangerous, and it needs to be taken out, now.
Apparently everyone is writing about the IS media machine at the moment, as in this (serious-ish) piece on a comedy website even. "7 Things I Learned Reading Every Issue Of ISIS's Magazine"
Lesson I'm drawing from all this is what we just have to bomb the shit out of ISIS, killing quite a few civilians in the process, and no doubt provoking retaliation in the West. Bomb the oil fields, bomb the tankers, bomb the offices, prevent them functioning as a state, dismantle their media op, make the Caliphate much less "attractive" a place to go to, force people to migrate out.
Also we need Iran to take them on, directly.
Thousands will die and it will be cruel and horrible. But thousands are already dying in Syria and it is already cruel and horrible. We need to act in self defense.
What we shouldn't do is put western troops on the ground, beyond a few special forces to help Bomber Command.
I think we now have to take them on at home as well.
This would effect others apart from IS supporters. Our intention has to be to both encourage and force integration into British culture and to make living by British values the only option.
There are hundreds of small things we need to do, to take one example: we should only slaughter animals in the most humane way. NO religious exceptions should be allowed, imported meat should adhere to our standards.
It's a state, it's fecking dangerous, and it needs to be taken out, now.
Apparently everyone is writing about the IS media machine at the moment, as in this (serious-ish) piece on a comedy website even. "7 Things I Learned Reading Every Issue Of ISIS's Magazine"
Lesson I'm drawing from all this is what we just have to bomb the shit out of ISIS, killing quite a few civilians in the process, and no doubt provoking retaliation in the West. Bomb the oil fields, bomb the tankers, bomb the offices, prevent them functioning as a state, dismantle their media op, make the Caliphate much less "attractive" a place to go to, force people to migrate out.
Also we need Iran to take them on, directly.
Thousands will die and it will be cruel and horrible. But thousands are already dying in Syria and it is already cruel and horrible. We need to act in self defense.
What we shouldn't do is put western troops on the ground, beyond a few special forces to help Bomber Command.
It does seem at the point that there is little intervention on our end that could make things worse - we are already targets - and having them able to sustain a state even for a time has proven pretty disastrous.. Many will die and the ideology will still be there afterwards, but whoever does it, dismantling the buggers to have to start all over again at least seems like containment of the ideological problem.
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
A journalist for Belgian TV and radio channel RTBF reports that the mayor has asked restaurants and cafes in the centre of Brussels to be shut from 6pm tonight.
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
Yes, because we've been bombing in the Middle East for over a decade and we're safer than ever.
@NewsOnTheMin 1m1 minute ago Anonymous claims ISIS is planning a huge series of attacks tomorrow, in Paris, Milan, Rome, Indonesia & Atlanta.
Caveat emptor, natch
The threat of attacks is very disruptive. If none of them happen, that is OK. Next week give another list, and if one of them happens, the fear for the places on the list for the next two or three weeks is heightened.
They are spreading fear. An effective terrorist methodology.
I would just like to thank West Brom and Liverpool to assist the magnificent Leicester City stay top of the Premier League for a week. Top of the table clash with Man U next week!
My apologies to PB if this all proves to be a hallucination!
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
Yes, because we've been bombing in the Middle East for over a decade and we're safer than ever.
Hence why I said ambiguous. Our previous actions, most of which I opposed, have not helped, but right or wrong, doing nothing now but wishing for a different world where everyone will sit down and hash things out, is not going to happen, so how is a continuing IS state beneficial?
An answer, if there is one, is not easy and simple. Certainly I do not support 'bomb them to hell' as an automatic reaction, and definitely not in the middle east given the past actions there, but IS is not going to be stopped without outside intervention from someone even if it is not us. Sure, that will not solve the problem that millions of people support them, but perhaps all we, that is the world, is able to do is to keep whacking the hammer down on the mole that is this problem so that it stays manageable in a way that a IS state is not.
Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
Brussels is in the midst of a major lockdown with hotels, restaurants and bars ordered to ramp up security one week after the Paris attacks.
Isabelle Trommer, a manager at the city's Crowne Plaza Le Palace Hotel, told The Telegraph: "The police came and told us to lock the door. A lot of people are scared. There was a rumour of two people being caught with suicide belts.
"The only people who have been checking-in are journalists, everyone else has cancelled."
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
Don't be rude about Scots - saying "Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here." and referring to Scots is racist..
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
It's a state, it's fecking dangerous, and it needs to be taken out, now.
Apparently everyone is writing about the IS media machine at the moment, as in this (serious-ish) piece on a comedy website even. "7 Things I Learned Reading Every Issue Of ISIS's Magazine"
Lesson I'm drawing from all this is what we just have to bomb the shit out of ISIS, killing quite a few civilians in the process, and no doubt provoking retaliation in the West. Bomb the oil fields, bomb the tankers, bomb the offices, prevent them functioning as a state, dismantle their media op, make the Caliphate much less "attractive" a place to go to, force people to migrate out.
Also we need Iran to take them on, directly.
Thousands will die and it will be cruel and horrible. But thousands are already dying in Syria and it is already cruel and horrible. We need to act in self defense.
What we shouldn't do is put western troops on the ground, beyond a few special forces to help Bomber Command.
I think we now have to take them on at home as well.
This would effect others apart from IS supporters. Our intention has to be to both encourage and force integration into British culture and to make living by British values the only option.
There are hundreds of small things we need to do, to take one example: we should only slaughter animals in the most humane way. NO religious exceptions should be allowed, imported meat should adhere to our standards.
All UK public documents to be in English (or Welsh) only.. None of this 200 different languages to dissuade people from integrating...
When considering attempting not to be over affected by shocking and terrible happenings, I always think of...Watership Down. No, seriously. There's a chapter in there postulating that rabbits (in its world) like human beings, are characterised by their ability to weather disaster, to go on, as it were.
I truly don't know how people manage it in war torn and terrible places, to find some version of normality that involves the things they face and must fear every day, and consider how fortunate I am that I have been able to not know that.
Mr. Dair, I'm a monarchist. As are many of your fellow Scots. Accusing those with whom you disagree of being bigoted by definition is narrow-minded.
Dair's Scotland is exclusionary and ineard looking. He loves it so much he hates 50% of the people who live there. It's a great base from which to build an independent country.
A journalist for Belgian TV and radio channel RTBF reports that the mayor has asked restaurants and cafes in the centre of Brussels to be shut from 6pm tonight.
A lot of Belgian businesses close early, anyway (for what I assume are cultural reasons) - but not cafés and restaurants anyway.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
I have had one 300ml bottle of cider, so technically not stone cold sober.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
Don't be rude about Scots - saying "Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here." and referring to Scots is racist..
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
I have had one 300ml bottle of cider, so technically not stone cold sober.
When considering attempting not to be over affected by shocking and terrible happenings, I always think of...Watership Down. No, seriously. There's a chapter in there postulating that rabbits (in its world) like human beings, are characterised by their ability to weather disaster, to go on, as it were.
I truly don't know how people manage it in war torn and terrible places, to find some version of normality that involves the things they face and must fear every day, and consider how fortunate I am that I have been able to not know that.
Pictures of cities in WW2 showing a desolate broken bombed out shell of a city with civilians walking along trying to continue their daily lives spring to mind.. Sometimes when bullets are flying as well.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
I have had one 300ml bottle of cider, so technically not stone cold sober.
It can't be easy for malcolmg and Dair, they've never come to terms with the fact that most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat.
Malcolm is ok, he lives in a detached house, he can afford to be angry.
I can indeed and handsomely. I doubt your arithmetic that most Scots live off other people , I would be sure it is very similar to England and a minority. I also do not believe it is very pleasant to insult everyone on benefits , many will have no option for various reasons, you take the every cold hearted Tory position of decrying the poor. Hopefully you do not end up there yourself.
Belgium sitch so unreal:Bbc checking anyone heading to Brussels has done hostile environment course. Couldn't imagine writingthat 10days ago
An ex-SAS friend of mine is off to Paris tomorrow to do precisely this: train German journalists to deal with terror and kidnappings, etc. Hostile Environment.
Paris.
Since he is your "friend" , this ex-SAS must be "lefty" as all your friends are.
It can't be easy for malcolmg and Dair, they've never come to terms with the fact that most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat.
Malcolm is ok, he lives in a detached house, he can afford to be angry.
I can indeed and handsomely. I doubt your arithmetic that most Scots live off other people , I would be sure it is very similar to England and a minority. I also do not believe it is very pleasant to insult everyone on benefits , many will have no option for various reasons, you take the every cold hearted Tory position of decrying the poor. Hopefully you do not end up there yourself.
You can doubt my arithmetic all you like, the Scots get more spending per head than the rest of us and they voted to keep it that way.
When did I insult anyone on benefits out of interest?
@NewsOnTheMin 1m1 minute ago Anonymous claims ISIS is planning a huge series of attacks tomorrow, in Paris, Milan, Rome, Indonesia & Atlanta.
Caveat emptor, natch
Lots of scared chickens running about now , looks like they have succeeded in their mission , people jumping at shadows, pretty pathetic.
Yep. It's a pity most people aren't as tough as are Glaswegians.
The average life expectancy of many Glaswegians allows little time for panic. Live life whilst it exists is the motto.
There's a humanitarian argument for giving Glaswegians a pension at 45 so they can enjoy the last 3 years of their life in relative comfort
Just guessing, but maybe you oughtn't say that to a Glaswegian's face.
Of course I wouldn't, malcolm is always accusing me of cowering behind the settee. He's a bit like you, he likes dishing it out, but.......
Ha Ha Ha , I can take it jessie boy, unfortunately the frothers like you on here cannot say anything intelligent. Go back and look at how intelligent people throw insults , look at some of Sean's spats.
It can't be easy for malcolmg and Dair, they've never come to terms with the fact that most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat.
Malcolm is ok, he lives in a detached house, he can afford to be angry.
I can indeed and handsomely. I doubt your arithmetic that most Scots live off other people , I would be sure it is very similar to England and a minority. I also do not believe it is very pleasant to insult everyone on benefits , many will have no option for various reasons, you take the every cold hearted Tory position of decrying the poor. Hopefully you do not end up there yourself.
You can doubt my arithmetic all you like, the Scots get more spending per head than the rest of us and they voted to keep it that way.
When did I insult anyone on benefits out of interest?
Are you that dense , "most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat. "
@NewsOnTheMin 1m1 minute ago Anonymous claims ISIS is planning a huge series of attacks tomorrow, in Paris, Milan, Rome, Indonesia & Atlanta.
Caveat emptor, natch
Lots of scared chickens running about now , looks like they have succeeded in their mission , people jumping at shadows, pretty pathetic.
Yep. It's a pity most people aren't as tough as are Glaswegians.
The average life expectancy of many Glaswegians allows little time for panic. Live life whilst it exists is the motto.
There's a humanitarian argument for giving Glaswegians a pension at 45 so they can enjoy the last 3 years of their life in relative comfort
Just guessing, but maybe you oughtn't say that to a Glaswegian's face.
Of course I wouldn't, malcolm is always accusing me of cowering behind the settee. He's a bit like you, he likes dishing it out, but.......
Ha Ha Ha , I can take it jessie boy, unfortunately the frothers like you on here cannot say anything intelligent. Go back and look at how intelligent people throw insults , look at some of Sean's spats.
Make your mind up malcy, I haven't thrown any insults.
It can't be easy for malcolmg and Dair, they've never come to terms with the fact that most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat.
Malcolm is ok, he lives in a detached house, he can afford to be angry.
I can indeed and handsomely. I doubt your arithmetic that most Scots live off other people , I would be sure it is very similar to England and a minority. I also do not believe it is very pleasant to insult everyone on benefits , many will have no option for various reasons, you take the every cold hearted Tory position of decrying the poor. Hopefully you do not end up there yourself.
You can doubt my arithmetic all you like, the Scots get more spending per head than the rest of us and they voted to keep it that way.
When did I insult anyone on benefits out of interest?
Are you that dense , "most Scots are far happier nuzzling on the teat. "
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
Yes, because we've been bombing in the Middle East for over a decade and we're safer than ever.
Hence why I said ambiguous. Our previous actions, most of which I opposed, have not helped, but right or wrong, doing nothing now but wishing for a different world where everyone will sit down and hash things out, is not going to happen, so how is a continuing IS state beneficial?
.....................
Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
Bombing is nothing but "doing something". It is an empty and vacuous action just to make ourselves feel better.
If we are really interested in doing something , then it has to be based on a Chapter 7 UN resolution and all the Nato countries should go in SAS style attacks only in the command and control areas of Daesh. Finish its capability, at least 90%, within 48 hours and get out.
But we have to accept casualties. Our war effort or must do something is basically based on as long as our boys/girls don't die.
Bombing only creates a fresh bunch of "innocents" killed unless you term anybody who has not become a refugee a Daesh supporter. Odd, we don't like refugees and we also do not like people who live in Daesh-land ! These non Daesh people who are killed; their family members are the new volunteers for Daesh.
But we still have to ask ourselves the following question:
Even if we are 100% successful, who benefits ?
1. The Kurds [ including the PKK who are officially classed as "terrorists". Most PB Tories would support them because they are only killing Turks ]
2. A rag-bag of Saudi and Gulf supported Sunni militia. Most of their leaders stay in 5 star hotels in Istanbul.
3. Al Nusra - the Al-Qaeda offshoot now Israel's friend.
4. Assad. Dictator, mass-murderer but mostly secular. Syrian Christians and other minorities support him.
@NewsOnTheMin 1m1 minute ago Anonymous claims ISIS is planning a huge series of attacks tomorrow, in Paris, Milan, Rome, Indonesia & Atlanta.
Caveat emptor, natch
Lots of scared chickens running about now , looks like they have succeeded in their mission , people jumping at shadows, pretty pathetic.
Yep. It's a pity most people aren't as tough as are Glaswegians.
The average life expectancy of many Glaswegians allows little time for panic. Live life whilst it exists is the motto.
There's a humanitarian argument for giving Glaswegians a pension at 45 so they can enjoy the last 3 years of their life in relative comfort
Just guessing, but maybe you oughtn't say that to a Glaswegian's face.
He will most likely not stray far from his bedsit in some M25 dormitory , so unlikely to meet one.
Snobbish mansion dweller sneers at the little people in their pokey bedsits in suburbia.
There are no bedsits in suburbia. There are only 5 bedroom detached houses. Bedsits are where people live and vote Labour [ except in Northern countries near the Arctic circle ]
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
Yes, because we've been bombing in the Middle East for over a decade and we're safer than ever.
Hence why I said ambiguous. Our previous actions, most of which I opposed, have not helped, but right or wrong, doing nothing now but wishing for a different world where everyone will sit down and hash things out, is not going to happen, so how is a continuing IS state beneficial?
.....................
Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
Bombing is nothing but "doing something". It is an empty and vacuous action just to make ourselves feel better.
I would agree - simply bombing won't get anything done. Someone has to actually go in and take IS on, and the options are not pleasant. Again, another reason for continued ambivalence about the best course of action I would hope being understandable. Something must be done, but it must be an actual something, not a token something, and that does come with consequences. As you point out, those consequences won't be accepted by our publics, so simply bombing will probably be all there is.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
It would be uncomplimentary to Dair to assume he is stone cold sober.
It's a power grab. Jeremy Corbyn is isolated among his fellow MPs. He has huge support among the membership. So naturally he's seeking to transfer power from the shadow cabinet and MPs to his power base.
Correct. Its important for Corbyn to stay, come what may; the people behind him need the Labour Party to be the front for their ambition. Corbyn will just steamroller on as he does now. He controls the party, which is all he is interested in. He has always rebelled as an MP, why should he care what the PLP does in opposition? The only problem for Corbyn and his followers is that he seems to be a bit dim and not really that good a front man.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
I believe people would like to think that when someone is deliberately provocative and offensive they are doing it while drunk at least. It's actually about trying to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
I have had one 300ml bottle of cider, so technically not stone cold sober.
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
Yes, because we've been bombing in the Middle East for over a decade and we're safer than ever.
Hence why I said ambiguous. Our previous actions, most of which I opposed, have not helped, but right or wrong, doing nothing now but wishing for a different world where everyone will sit down and hash things out, is not going to happen, so how is a continuing IS state beneficial?
.....................
Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
Bombing is nothing but "doing something". It is an empty and vacuous action just to make ourselves feel better.
If we are really interested in doing something , then it has to be based on a Chapter 7 UN resolution and all the Nato countries should go in SAS style attacks only in the command and control areas of Daesh. Finish its capability, at least 90%, within 48 hours and get out.
But we have to accept casualties. Our war effort or must do something is basically based on as long as our boys/girls don't die.
Bombing only creates a fresh bunch of "innocents" killed unless you term anybody who has not become a refugee a Daesh supporter. Odd, we don't like refugees and we also do not like people who live in Daesh-land ! These non Daesh people who are killed; their family members are the new volunteers for Daesh.
But we still have to ask ourselves the following question:
Even if we are 100% successful, who benefits ?
1. The Kurds [ including the PKK who are officially classed as "terrorists". Most PB Tories would support them because they are only killing Turks ]
2. A rag-bag of Saudi and Gulf supported Sunni militia. Most of their leaders stay in 5 star hotels in Istanbul.
3. Al Nusra - the Al-Qaeda offshoot now Israel's friend.
4. Assad. Dictator, mass-murderer but mostly secular. Syrian Christians and other minorities support him.
The enemy-of-our-enemy-is-our-friend. And the fact that al Nusra currently holds some of the Golan Heights, the strategic area of ground bordering Israel.
Most of the 'evidence' of such support appear to be claims that Israel are treating people who might be Islamist fighters. Although some of the speculation appears to be anti-Israel propaganda that is short on hard facts.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Why do the most stupid contingent on here always assume that Scottish people are drunk if they disagree with their posts. Desperate lack of intelligence and education amongst a select group on here.
It's the same racism that has them worshipping the Butchers Apron and the same inferiority that leaves them believing another person is automatically better to them due to a quirk of who their parents were.
Belgium sitch so unreal:Bbc checking anyone heading to Brussels has done hostile environment course. Couldn't imagine writingthat 10days ago
An ex-SAS friend of mine is off to Paris tomorrow to do precisely this: train German journalists to deal with terror and kidnappings, etc. Hostile Environment.
Paris.
Since he is your "friend" , this ex-SAS must be "lefty" as all your friends are.
I'm not sure why you think people cannot associate in private with people who have very different political views. One of my oldest friends was a staunch lefty whose political views made Dennis Skinner look like Margaret Thatcher. Yet we'd chew the cud over a few pints before going home as friends.
Your life must be very poor if you only associate yourself with other lefties.
Mr. G, I'd consider myself a unionist. Do you think if we happened to meet I'd try to kick you?
MD, I think not , I was referring to the Scottish ones who are invariably loyalists as well. Sloppy posting I admit but TUD would have understood.
PS: To be fair to unionists I think only about 6 turned up and that on a lovely day , still 3 times the amount that turned out in Wales
Loyalty to the Butchers Apron and Lizzie Windsor seem to go hand in hand with Racism and Xenophobia.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
Is someone able to decipher Dair's drunken ramblings?
Unionists are bad, Britain and all things British are despised across the world.
You only have to look at the mess that has been made in Ireland to realise just how disgusting the behaviour and ideology of Loyalism is.
Yet with all seriousness these Loyalists talk about partitioning Scotland after Independence. It is as if they are incapable of learning. Actually, scrub that, they are incapable of learning.
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This would effect others apart from IS supporters. Our intention has to be to both encourage and force integration into British culture and to make living by British values the only option.
There are hundreds of small things we need to do, to take one example: we should only slaughter animals in the most humane way. NO religious exceptions should be allowed, imported meat should adhere to our standards.
There's a reason Kippers are the most ardent monarchists.
I opposed airstrikes when it last came up, I didn't see how it would help, but even being ambiguous about what action should be taken now, it doesn't seem like it will hurt us either. Famous last words, perhaps, but even so.
They are spreading fear. An effective terrorist methodology.
My apologies to PB if this all proves to be a hallucination!
Hence why I said ambiguous. Our previous actions, most of which I opposed, have not helped, but right or wrong, doing nothing now but wishing for a different world where everyone will sit down and hash things out, is not going to happen, so how is a continuing IS state beneficial?
An answer, if there is one, is not easy and simple. Certainly I do not support 'bomb them to hell' as an automatic reaction, and definitely not in the middle east given the past actions there, but IS is not going to be stopped without outside intervention from someone even if it is not us. Sure, that will not solve the problem that millions of people support them, but perhaps all we, that is the world, is able to do is to keep whacking the hammer down on the mole that is this problem so that it stays manageable in a way that a IS state is not.
Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
I for one have no doubt you are stone cold sober and 100% serious right now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gA17CsRffXI
None of this 200 different languages to dissuade people from integrating...
Belgium sitch so unreal:Bbc checking anyone heading to Brussels has done hostile environment course. Couldn't imagine writingthat 10days ago
I truly don't know how people manage it in war torn and terrible places, to find some version of normality that involves the things they face and must fear every day, and consider how fortunate I am that I have been able to not know that.
Close enough to sober for a scotsman though.
*offensive joke concluded*
Malcolm is ok, he lives in a detached house, he can afford to be angry.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/21/labour-john-mann-ken-livingstone-psychiatric-help-row
(but scroll down to the last paragraph!)
Their kids vs our kids.
War 2.0
Its sad to see how warped the nationalist minds of these miserable cult followers have become.
Hopefully you do not end up there yourself.
When did I insult anyone on benefits out of interest?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-public-spending-1-200-per-head-more-than-uk-1-3716672
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Doing nothing, or leaving us out of it entirely, can be the least worst option. I have certainly felt that in the past, and I'm not yet convinced entirely that it is not now, even after all we have seen. But neither is it always the least worst option. Sometimes action, by us or others, even if bloody and storing problems up for later, can be the least worst option. And least worst options are the only ones we have.
Bombing is nothing but "doing something". It is an empty and vacuous action just to make ourselves feel better.
If we are really interested in doing something , then it has to be based on a Chapter 7 UN resolution and all the Nato countries should go in SAS style attacks only in the command and control areas of Daesh. Finish its capability, at least 90%, within 48 hours and get out.
But we have to accept casualties. Our war effort or must do something is basically based on as long as our boys/girls don't die.
Bombing only creates a fresh bunch of "innocents" killed unless you term anybody who has not become a refugee a Daesh supporter. Odd, we don't like refugees and we also do not like people who live in Daesh-land ! These non Daesh people who are killed; their family members are the new volunteers for Daesh.
But we still have to ask ourselves the following question:
Even if we are 100% successful, who benefits ?
1. The Kurds [ including the PKK who are officially classed as "terrorists". Most PB Tories would support them because they are only killing Turks ]
2. A rag-bag of Saudi and Gulf supported Sunni militia. Most of their leaders stay in 5 star hotels in Istanbul.
3. Al Nusra - the Al-Qaeda offshoot now Israel's friend.
4. Assad. Dictator, mass-murderer but mostly secular. Syrian Christians and other minorities support him.
Take your pick.
I would agree - simply bombing won't get anything done. Someone has to actually go in and take IS on, and the options are not pleasant. Again, another reason for continued ambivalence about the best course of action I would hope being understandable. Something must be done, but it must be an actual something, not a token something, and that does come with consequences. As you point out, those consequences won't be accepted by our publics, so simply bombing will probably be all there is. I don't even know how it started, it just creeps in there.
The only problem for Corbyn and his followers is that he seems to be a bit dim and not really that good a front man.
Ha ha ha !
No comment.
"Freedom of movement within Commonwealth more popular than within EU
Most British people support Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Australia having freedom of movement between each other’s countries"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/621120/Anonymous-publish-a-list-of-ISIS-targets-after-hacking-their-terrorist-network
Austin, surely, looks a more likely bet.
There's a reason Austin is at QPR and nobody bought him.
If we are really interested in doing something , then it has to be based on a Chapter 7 UN resolution and all the Nato countries should go in SAS style attacks only in the command and control areas of Daesh. Finish its capability, at least 90%, within 48 hours and get out.
But we have to accept casualties. Our war effort or must do something is basically based on as long as our boys/girls don't die.
Bombing only creates a fresh bunch of "innocents" killed unless you term anybody who has not become a refugee a Daesh supporter. Odd, we don't like refugees and we also do not like people who live in Daesh-land ! These non Daesh people who are killed; their family members are the new volunteers for Daesh.
But we still have to ask ourselves the following question:
Even if we are 100% successful, who benefits ?
1. The Kurds [ including the PKK who are officially classed as "terrorists". Most PB Tories would support them because they are only killing Turks ]
2. A rag-bag of Saudi and Gulf supported Sunni militia. Most of their leaders stay in 5 star hotels in Istanbul.
3. Al Nusra - the Al-Qaeda offshoot now Israel's friend.
4. Assad. Dictator, mass-murderer but mostly secular. Syrian Christians and other minorities support him.
Take your pick.
Al Nusra is friendly with Israel? How come?
I'd imagine panic will set in before long in labour
EICIPM?
Most of the 'evidence' of such support appear to be claims that Israel are treating people who might be Islamist fighters. Although some of the speculation appears to be anti-Israel propaganda that is short on hard facts.
Your life must be very poor if you only associate yourself with other lefties.
Yet with all seriousness these Loyalists talk about partitioning Scotland after Independence. It is as if they are incapable of learning. Actually, scrub that, they are incapable of learning.