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    @birminghammail: TOMORROW'S FRONTPAGE: 'Enoch was right' - Midlands UKIP MEP supports Powell’s infamous ‘Rivers of blood’ speech https://t.co/OarUaFFHcj
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    The MEP is Bill Etheridge.
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    On topic, all parties are on a loser when they try and say they are holier than thou on expenses.
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    AndyJS said:

    One of the problems with Ed Miliband was that he looked too young to be PM for a lot of older voters. Labour may have made the mistake with their by-election candidate for Oldham.

    Ed was older in 2015 than Dave was in 2010.
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    @birminghammail: TOMORROW'S FRONTPAGE: 'Enoch was right' - Midlands UKIP MEP supports Powell’s infamous ‘Rivers of blood’ speech https://t.co/OarUaFFHcj

    Isam is Bill Etheridge?
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    perdix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Britain poised for Syria air strikes after Labour revolt against Jeremy Corbyn https://t.co/wm0uqLLw1v

    @patrickwintour: Big change in tone - Commons committee may lift objections to UK airstrikes in Syria | Politics | The Guardian https://t.co/bLhSEZ1dZr

    Oh, dear. I fear that means Cameron is going to drag us into another war without any plan of how it might be won or how we get out of it. Emotion is a very bad basis for foreign policy
    I'm not sure it's quite that cut and dried - the people who've spoken out against Corbyn in that Telegraph piece are Liz Kendall and Chuka Ummuna.
    I admire your optimism. However we are going to war again, Cameron is determined on it. Of course, with George Osborne's defence cuts we probably cannot add to the half a dozen clapped out Tornados that we have bombing Iraq at the moment, which might be a blessing, and we do have his latest set of defence cuts due for publication very soon.
    What defence cuts? The government policy is to maintain 2% of GDP on defence during this parliament.

    Mr Llama is intent on talking increasing rubbish.
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    Scott_P said:

    The Labour heartlands of Glasgow and Central Scotland have never needed a strong Labour Party more. For eight years they have been deceived by Nationalists who talk Left but walk Right.

    Just ask Alex Salmond's former head of policy Alex Bell, who looks at the SNP's mealy mouthed rhetoric, compares it to their record and concludes that Scotland's Government is – and I quote – morally dubious.

    On health, on education, on justice the SNP would rather point at the polls than deal with the problems. Scotland can't afford another five years of a government that would rather congratulate itself than explain itself.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14091761.Agenda__SNP_have_become_an_arrogant__complacent_and_headline_grabbing_party_in_government/

    PB Tory munchkin regurgitating James Kelly, intellectually challenged SLab MSP.

    Better together.
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    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Britain poised for Syria air strikes after Labour revolt against Jeremy Corbyn https://t.co/wm0uqLLw1v

    @patrickwintour: Big change in tone - Commons committee may lift objections to UK airstrikes in Syria | Politics | The Guardian https://t.co/bLhSEZ1dZr

    Oh, dear. I fear that means Cameron is going to drag us into another war without any plan of how it might be won or how we get out of it. Emotion is a very bad basis for foreign policy
    I'm not sure it's quite that cut and dried - the people who've spoken out against Corbyn in that Telegraph piece are Liz Kendall and Chuka Ummuna.
    I admire your optimism. However we are going to war again, Cameron is determined on it. Of course, with George Osborne's defence cuts we probably cannot add to the half a dozen clapped out Tornados that we have bombing Iraq at the moment, which might be a blessing, and we do have his latest set of defence cuts due for publication very soon.
    Joining in a UN bombing campaign is not 'Cameron going to war'. The War gas already been declared by ISIS, long ago.
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    AndyJS said:

    One of the problems with Ed Miliband was that he looked too young to be PM for a lot of older voters. Labour may have made the mistake with their by-election candidate for Oldham.

    Looking young while aspiring to be an MP is a different thing from looking young while aspiring to lead the country.
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    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    This is not a parody site.

    htps://twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/667798044700708864?lang=en

    It is sad to see Labour pulling itself apart. Corbyn's backers haven't a clue.

    Well, it was at least polite and measured in tone. Corbyn would approve of that.
    It may not work but it does point to what the aim of Corbyn and Co is. They wish to take authority away from the PLP. They desire the PLP to vote as the wider membership direct them. This hardly looks sustainable. One side or other will have to win. Personally I think it would be nice if they both lost. However a head on clash is surely inevitable. Either discipline within the PLP will break down and MPs will vote how they like, irrespective of the leadership, or MPs will resign the whip.
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    Scott_P said:

    The Labour heartlands of Glasgow and Central Scotland have never needed a strong Labour Party more. For eight years they have been deceived by Nationalists who talk Left but walk Right.

    Just ask Alex Salmond's former head of policy Alex Bell, who looks at the SNP's mealy mouthed rhetoric, compares it to their record and concludes that Scotland's Government is – and I quote – morally dubious.

    On health, on education, on justice the SNP would rather point at the polls than deal with the problems. Scotland can't afford another five years of a government that would rather congratulate itself than explain itself.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14091761.Agenda__SNP_have_become_an_arrogant__complacent_and_headline_grabbing_party_in_government/
    PB Tory munchkin regurgitating James Kelly, intellectually challenged SLab MSP.


    Nat playing the ball, not the men......
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    Scott_P said:

    @TelePolitics: Britain poised for Syria air strikes after Labour revolt against Jeremy Corbyn https://t.co/wm0uqLLw1v

    @patrickwintour: Big change in tone - Commons committee may lift objections to UK airstrikes in Syria | Politics | The Guardian https://t.co/bLhSEZ1dZr

    Oh, dear. I fear that means Cameron is going to drag us into another war without any plan of how it might be won or how we get out of it. Emotion is a very bad basis for foreign policy
    Word.
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    On topic, UKIP's strategy is right. Something current about the actual candidate is much stronger than whatever you can put together about MPs from the same party in other parliaments in other places.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    I'm slightly disappointed that #NousSommesTousBamako isn't trending.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    I wonder which flag option Jake Bailey prefers?
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    (Two threads ago)

    I thought all Irish republicans supported the IRA, which is why they were republicans and not nationalists. The nationalists supported the same goal, but were implacably opposed to violence.

    If that is what you think is the difference between Irish Republicanism and Irish Nationalism, then you are as detached from reality as much as someone who thinks that Daniel Radcliffe is ugly.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    MikeK said:

    OGH has been going after UKIP for months now. But in the last 6 weeks he's been getting a bit phrenetic.

    "Phrenetic"? Is that a relation of phrasmotic or phrenzied or phreedom-loving?

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    kle4 said:

    Well I never, an anti UKIP thread

    I want UKIP to do well - I hope they rebound. Someone has to become a strong third party, and although it will be hard for UKIP to do it, the LDs aren't looking like doing it again anytime soon.
    Sadly I don't think they will. UKIP aren't the force they were - the GE media trashing was too effective.
    But they did well in the GE, at least in terms of votes. It's since the 'unresignation' that they have started to lose councillors and votes.
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    MJWMJW Posts: 1,354
    It is entirely true that it is more than a bit rich for UKIP to go after anyone on expenses, especially as McMahon hasn't actually done anything remotely wrong, just was quite good at his job and so got promoted to roles where he got extra allowances. Most of it comes from being Labour's top local government official.

    It may however work - McMahon's campaign will surely be entirely based on his own local appeal and individual competence. He's a practical politician who has a reputation as wanting to promoter local businesses rather than a raving deluded Corbynite. If UKIP can somehow undermine that personal appeal, no matter how spuriously, then what has he got - the idiot currently wrecking the party from his position as leader.
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