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November Ipsos poll
In net terms Corbyn has the best figures of any of the party leaders pic.twitter.com/UUHZhnHWH4

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    Blimey.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    Second past the post
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    Con 41
    Lab 34

    How many seats would that leave Labour?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    edited 2015 19
    Mahoosive swing against Farage. He's been on the telly a lot recently hasn't he ?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited 2015 19
    Phew, that's all right then. All going swimmingly for Labour.
  • Rexel56Rexel56 Posts: 807
    As someone not too keen on another Labour government, I am extremely satisfied with the way Mr Corbyn is performing as LOTO
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I see Corbyn is more popular (37%) than Labour (34%).
    Labour seems to be weighted down by it's MP's not by it's Leader (approaching troll levels now).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    edited 2015 19
    David Cameron trails the Tory party. Ditch the loser now, he's a net drag unlike Corbyn who polls ahead of his party.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    How do these numbers square with the odds for Oldham??

    Totally baffling
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    We appear to be heading back to two party politics.

    ‘Farron ahead of Cameron’ – ah bless…
  • glwglw Posts: 10,081
    I find it hard to believe that enough people know anything about Tim Farron for the poll to find any sort of meaningful public opinion about his performance.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,817
    They should measure

    1) Satisfied

    2) Dissatisfied

    3) Don't give the remotest hint of a toss*

    *it's four years from an election and who is the Tim Farron guy anyway.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    It's great to see those leader ratings for Farron have given the LDs party polling such a boost.... Oh!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    He's simply a great actor - or sleeper agent LOL
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    @PickardJE: Sadiq Khan in dig at Corbyn: "There is nothing I disagree with in the way Emwazi (Jihadi John) was taken out: I live in the real world".
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
    The hazards of copy and paste...
  • glwglw Posts: 10,081
    Jonathan said:

    3) Don't give the remotest hint of a toss*

    *it's four years from an election and who is the Tim Farron guy anyway.

    The Lib Dems have barely been in the news since the general election. Never mind what Farron has been doing, what fraction of the public even knows that he is the leader? I couldn't tell you how he has been doing as the Labour leadership election and its consequences have totally dominated press coverage.

    Does anyone know what Farron has been up to?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    @PickardJE: Sadiq Khan in dig at Corbyn: "There is nothing I disagree with in the way Emwazi (Jihadi John) was taken out: I live in the real world".

    His gag about Sajid Javid was good: "you wait ages for an immigrant son of a bus driver and then two come along at once."

    I note no drift on Khan for Mayor since the Paris attacks - a sign of our tolerance or a sleepy market?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,876
    These are very odd findings. Support for the Conservatives surges, even as approval for Cameron and the government drops.

    At the same time, Corbyn's ratings are pretty decent, in contrast to the findings of every other polling company.

    It looks like an outlier all round.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    tlg86 said:


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
    The hazards of copy and paste...
    Indeed. Is one of immutable laws of blogging, you can never spot your own typos but you can spot everyone else's typos very easily.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    We appear to be heading back to two party politics.

    ‘Farron ahead of Cameron’ – ah bless…

    Isn't everyone doing better than Cameron according to that poll? Now I cannot stomach Cameron at any price, but I cannot believe those figures are meaningful either.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740

    @PickardJE: Sadiq Khan in dig at Corbyn: "There is nothing I disagree with in the way Emwazi (Jihadi John) was taken out: I live in the real world".

    His gag about Sajid Javid was good: "you wait ages for an immigrant son of a bus driver and then two come along at once."

    I note no drift on Khan for Mayor since the Paris attacks - a sign of our tolerance or a sleepy market?
    No one gives a poop. Look at the lack of riots or violence following the grooming scandals.

    I said a while back speaking to a Kipper in South Yorkshire, most voters think it is only a small minority of Muslims.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I note no drift on Khan for Mayor since the Paris attacks - a sign of our tolerance or a sleepy market? ''

    Khan has made a big change in his rhetoric on race relations today, if twitter is to be believed.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Speedy said:

    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.

    What are the peaks among their own supports though?
  • madasafishmadasafish Posts: 659
    glw said:

    Jonathan said:

    3) Don't give the remotest hint of a toss*

    *it's four years from an election and who is the Tim Farron guy anyway.

    The Lib Dems have barely been in the news since the general election. Never mind what Farron has been doing, what fraction of the public even knows that he is the leader? I couldn't tell you how he has been doing as the Labour leadership election and its consequences have totally dominated press coverage.

    Does anyone know what Farron has been up to?

    Firing Lord Rennard as a sleazebag..
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    We appear to be heading back to two party politics.

    ‘Farron ahead of Cameron’ – ah bless…

    Isn't everyone doing better than Cameron according to that poll? Now I cannot stomach Cameron at any price, but I cannot believe those figures are meaningful either.
    Most non-Tories disapprove of Cameron (and the question asks about him as PM, not as party leader). For the others, there are lots of don't knows (esp. Farron) and also surely some percentage of people saying "he's doing fine leading his party in the wrong direction".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    “I’m the son of a bus driver. I used to love that line… then Sajid fucking Javid came along. You wait for years for the son of a Muslim bus driver to turn up and two come along at once.”
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: John McDonnell's excuse is he didn't bother to read the statement he signed calling for abolition of MI5. Well that's OK then...

    @DPJHodges: "Chancellor, do you need to see this Budget thing?". "Nah. Just put my signature on it and bung it out there."....
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MR Llama. Did you get my text/reply to your bet?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    Ipsos Mori have fixed their typo.

    The power of PB
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,013

    David Cameron trails the Tory party. Ditch the loser now, he's a net drag unlike Corbyn who polls ahead of his party.

    He outperforms the government though. Presume a large part of that is 'don't knows' stripped out for VI?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 19

    Speedy said:

    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.

    What are the peaks among their own supports though?
    I don't know, I'll have a look to see if I can find it.
    But on today's one among their own party it's:

    Cameron 80/18
    Corbyn 65/18
    Farage 91/9
    Farron: 57/30

    There are as many dissatisfied with Cameron inside the Tory party as Labour is with Corbyn, but we haven't head of any rumblings in the Tory party much less about Tim Farron and the LD.
    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Speedy said:

    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, they the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.

    Have no fear: Corbyn has a long-term plan to get rid of Labour MPs.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: John McDonnell's excuse is he didn't bother to read the statement he signed calling for abolition of MI5. Well that's OK then...

    @DPJHodges: "Chancellor, do you need to see this Budget thing?". "Nah. Just put my signature on it and bung it out there."....

    The statement that has been on the loony-left website for 6 months, and that he was pictured holding to the camera.

    In any case, there are plenty more such skeletons in the McDonnell cupboard. Voters will gradually notice, but it will take some time for the full effect to show.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740

    David Cameron trails the Tory party. Ditch the loser now, he's a net drag unlike Corbyn who polls ahead of his party.

    He outperforms the government though. Presume a large part of that is 'don't knows' stripped out for VI?
    Yup. I'm trying to give some solace to the Corbynites
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    From last month's Ipsos - Corbyn's Satisfaction Rating v Labour Vote Intention

    Age...... Sat......VI
    18-24... 60......58
    25-34... 54......37
    35-44... 48......34
    45-54... 23......25
    55-64... 28......25
    65-74....18......31
    74+.......12.......16

    Region... Sat......VI
    North.... 36......44
    Mids...... 37......34
    South..... 40......30
    London.. 49.......44
    Scotland. 24......12

    Popular with the young, but once they leave university they'll vote otherwise, and popular in London.

    He gets some 'sympathy' satisfaction from other parties' left wing vote.

    The low level of satisfaction in the North of England may be a pointer towards stay-at-home's.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.

    What are the peaks among their own supports though?
    I don't know, I'll have a look to see if I can find it.
    But on today's one among their own party it's:

    Cameron 80/18
    Corbyn 65/18
    Farage 91/9
    Farron: 57/30

    There are as many dissatisfied with Cameron inside the Tory party as Labour is with Corbyn, but we haven't head of any rumblings in the Tory party much less about Tim Farron and the LD.
    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.
    Whats up with Farron there then?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited 2015 19
    Ye olde advice after ye mega polling cockup at G Election

    Ye should not believe ye polls.. ye polls are untested.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    In comparison with the last Mori before the election satisfaction rating among party's own supporters:

    Cameron 86/9
    Miliband 71/21
    Farage 91/3
    Clegg 73/25
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    edited 2015 19
    Tories to beat the Lib Dems in Oldham is looking a sound enough bet off the back of this.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.

    What are the peaks among their own supports though?
    I don't know, I'll have a look to see if I can find it.
    But on today's one among their own party it's:

    Cameron 80/18
    Corbyn 65/18
    Farage 91/9
    Farron: 57/30

    There are as many dissatisfied with Cameron inside the Tory party as Labour is with Corbyn, but we haven't head of any rumblings in the Tory party much less about Tim Farron and the LD.
    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.
    Whats up with Farron there then?
    I don't know but no one seems to care, if Cobyn has trouble with only 18% dissatisfied what about Farron that has 30% among his own party.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    I'm going to the Citeh v Liverpool match.

    @SkyNewsBreak: The Premier League has announced that the French national anthem 'La Marseillaise' will be played ahead of all matches this weekend
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    To compare with opposition leaders on MORI, Hague peaked on 29, IDS on 27, Howard 30, Cameron 53, Miliband 41.
    Going further back Blair 53, Smith 40, Kinnock 45, Foot 29.

    https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2437&view=wide

    Corbyn's peak so far is 37, he's no Foot, Hague, IDS or Howard, but more of a Miliband-Smith-Kinnock level.

    What are the peaks among their own supports though?
    I don't know, I'll have a look to see if I can find it.
    But on today's one among their own party it's:

    Cameron 80/18
    Corbyn 65/18
    Farage 91/9
    Farron: 57/30

    There are as many dissatisfied with Cameron inside the Tory party as Labour is with Corbyn, but we haven't head of any rumblings in the Tory party much less about Tim Farron and the LD.
    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.
    Whats up with Farron there then?
    That's the peers. ;-)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Corbyn most popular.

    Cameron least popular

    LMFAO

    Stick that in Simon Danczuks pipe!!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MattChorley: Is this Labour's new 14% strategy? https://t.co/nm0NpMAFOM
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Speedy said:

    In comparison with the last Mori before the election satisfaction rating among party's own supporters:

    Cameron 86/9
    Miliband 71/21
    Farage 91/3
    Clegg 73/25

    I just had a look at the penultimate Mori which projected a 35-30 to the Tories - so right ball park - and there is a fairly stark difference between the age groups Miliband and Corbyn draw their popularity from.

    Miliband was actually between 33 and 40 in all age groups. Compare that to Corbyn where 'satisfaction' is very high with the kids, but drops off a cliff from middle age.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Corbyn most popular.

    Cameron least popular

    LMFAO

    Stick that in Simon Danczuks pipe!!


    Have you ever heard of the expression EICIPM ?

    Just wondering.

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Speedy said:

    In comparison with the last Mori before the election satisfaction rating among party's own supporters:

    Cameron 86/9
    Miliband 71/21
    Farage 91/3
    Clegg 73/25

    I just had a look at the penultimate Mori which projected a 35-30 to the Tories - so right ball park - and there is a fairly stark difference between the age groups Miliband and Corbyn draw their popularity from.

    Miliband was actually between 33 and 40 in all age groups. Compare that to Corbyn where 'satisfaction' is very high with the kids, but drops off a cliff from middle age.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,765

    Speedy said:

    The problem for Labour is that in the 18% who are dissatisfied with Corbyn are it's MP's, they the MP's are weighting down Labour with their constant moaning about the leadership election result.

    Have no fear: Corbyn has a long-term plan to get rid of Labour MPs.
    Hmmm.

    Long Term Tragicomic Plan.

    I'll get my coat.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346

    I'm going to the Citeh v Liverpool match.

    @SkyNewsBreak: The Premier League has announced that the French national anthem 'La Marseillaise' will be played ahead of all matches this weekend

    That's OTT in my opinion.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.

    Naziism didn't die when Berlin was taken Nick.

    But it helped.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Corbyn most popular.

    Cameron least popular

    LMFAO

    Stick that in Simon Danczuks pipe!!

    You really don't get it do you?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    A bunch of interesting polls in the US:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

    Carson fading and Rubio and Cruz moving up in both NH and nationally. Trump still well ahead - of the two front-runners, he's the one with the staying power. Everyone else absolutely nowhere. I've taken a small bet on Betfair on Rubio for President at 5.4 - seems better odds than the 2.36 available for nominee, as if he's the nominee there will be a period where he's odds on an I can lay off. Cruz at 8 for nominee looks possibly interesting - he's probably just one good debate performance away from a strong position.

    Hillary drops marginally behind in NH but still massively ahead overall.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.

    There are no words for the second sentence above.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179

    I'm going to the Citeh v Liverpool match.

    @SkyNewsBreak: The Premier League has announced that the French national anthem 'La Marseillaise' will be played ahead of all matches this weekend

    What happened on Tuesday was appropriate, fitting and actually quite special.

    This decision is plain barmy.

    And moreover, I don't think the fans will get behind this 100% either.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    edited 2015 19

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: John McDonnell's excuse is he didn't bother to read the statement he signed calling for abolition of MI5. Well that's OK then...

    @DPJHodges: "Chancellor, do you need to see this Budget thing?". "Nah. Just put my signature on it and bung it out there."....

    The statement that has been on the loony-left website for 6 months, and that he was pictured holding to the camera.

    In any case, there are plenty more such skeletons in the McDonnell cupboard. Voters will gradually notice, but it will take some time for the full effect to show.
    The fact that polls are showing Lab more or less around where they were in May shows that voters may not gradually notice.

    All this John McDonnell/signature stuff, John Woodcock, Diane Abbott, oh and of course Jezza himself - each episode absolutely incendiary, and also critical to giving some idea of what a Lab govt might look like...and yet onwards the Lab voting public goes, marking their name against Lab in polls.

    I am none too sure when it will actually filter through, if ever. I mean that will still leave Lab on a solid 25-30% but it should be 15-20%.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,844

    Con 41
    Lab 34

    How many seats would that leave Labour?

    Putting these figures into Electoral Calculus

    Con 336
    Lab 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    Green 1

    Tory majority of 22
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773

    Corbyn most popular.

    Cameron least popular

    LMFAO

    Stick that in Simon Danczuks pipe!!


    Have you ever heard of the expression EICIPM ?

    Just wondering.

    Is it EICIPM PB Tories are always right?

    Does it mean Even If Corbyn Is PM PB Tories are always right
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    MR Llama. Did you get my text/reply to your bet?

    I did indeed and I thought I had replied. Anyway your are on. Best wishes for that day next month, not long to go for you now.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346

    I'm going to the Citeh v Liverpool match.

    @SkyNewsBreak: The Premier League has announced that the French national anthem 'La Marseillaise' will be played ahead of all matches this weekend

    What happened on Tuesday was appropriate, fitting and actually quite special.

    This decision is plain barmy.

    And moreover, I don't think the fans will get behind this 100% either.
    The problem is it gives ammunition to those who think we only care about these things when they happen in Europe/Australia/America.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842

    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.

    Yep - Nick voted for someone who hangs out with apologists for terrorism and calls them his friends, and that is exactly what Nick got. Nick is not interested in Labour ever being in power again. He is happy for the Tories to do the governing stuff. It's good for Nick he has got what he wants. But maybe less good for the people that Labour used to care about.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Who are the contenders for Democrat VP slot btw ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Barnesian said:

    Con 41
    Lab 34

    How many seats would that leave Labour?

    Putting these figures into Electoral Calculus

    Con 336
    Lab 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    Green 1

    Tory majority of 22
    On top of which there is Tory boundary fix and SWINGBACK

    JCWNBPM
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    chestnut said:

    From last month's Ipsos - Corbyn's Satisfaction Rating v Labour Vote Intention

    Age...... Sat......VI
    18-24... 60......58
    25-34... 54......37
    35-44... 48......34
    45-54... 23......25
    55-64... 28......25
    65-74....18......31
    74+.......12.......16

    Region... Sat......VI
    North.... 36......44
    Mids...... 37......34
    South..... 40......30
    London.. 49.......44
    Scotland. 24......12

    Popular with the young, but once they leave university they'll vote otherwise, and popular in London.

    He gets some 'sympathy' satisfaction from other parties' left wing vote.

    The low level of satisfaction in the North of England may be a pointer towards stay-at-home's.

    Corbyn's numbers in Scotland are quite.... amazing.

    HUYFD really called it when he claimed Corbyn would solve all Labour's problems in Scotland.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''and yet onwards the Lab voting public goes, marking their name against Lab in polls.''

    Best get on labour for Oldham then.

    Either these polls are garbage, or the bookies are reading Oldham completely wrong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    @Southamobserver I'll put you down as a 'maybe'.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    MR Llama. Did you get my text/reply to your bet?

    I did indeed and I thought I had replied. Anyway your are on. Best wishes for that day next month, not long to go for you now.
    I may have missed it if it was onsite, not on that much.. Time is moving very fast, Who would believe it was 3 yrs on 11/11.. I barely can comprehend it. That said, all set fairish for the future, happy to coulgh up for lunch!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,013

    tlg86 said:


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
    The hazards of copy and paste...
    Indeed. Is one of immutable laws of blogging, you can never spot your own typos but you can spot everyone else's typos very easily.
    And rephrasings / edits.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773

    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.

    Yep - Nick voted for someone who hangs out with apologists for terrorism and calls them his friends, and that is exactly what Nick got. Nick is not interested in Labour ever being in power again. He is happy for the Tories to do the governing stuff. It's good for Nick he has got what he wants. But maybe less good for the people that Labour used to care about.

    How do you explain him being the most popular leader despite constant sniping from MPs like Danczuk and former supporters like yourself.

    Why are Lab polling more than at GE 2015 despite people like yourself and DH changing their horse?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Scott_P said:

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
    The beauty of McDonnell and Corbyn's back catalogue is that there'll be something similar for every tricky day the government might have over the next 5 years.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Scott_P said:

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
    Except they aren't
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238

    tlg86 said:


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
    The hazards of copy and paste...
    Indeed. Is one of immutable laws of blogging, you can never spot your own typos but you can spot everyone else's typos very easily.
    And rephrasings / edits.
    Wrong. All those things are easy to spot in your own posts.

    6:00:01 minutes after you first post your comment.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Scott_P said:

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
    Except they aren't
    You are right, they are talking about how the phrase "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police" doesn't mean "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police".
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Incidentally, has anyone checked out whether the other signatories of McDonnell's loony-left parallel manifesto are involved in the Corbyn 'mass movement'?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740
    @stuartmillar159: Wow. NHS citing Paris attacks in its response to junior docs strike vote https://t.co/997L6KTvCX via @laurafleur https://t.co/kuRyzRwLRD
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Scott_P said:

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
    Except they aren't
    You are right, they are talking about how the phrase "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police" doesn't mean "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xIlOJBPa1Q
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,740

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    There was a time when Ed was a lot more popular on the leader ratings front than Dave was.

    Just saying
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    There was a time when Ed was a lot more popular on the leader ratings front than Dave was.

    Just saying
    Corbyn's magnificent ratings are absolutely brilliant.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842

    Entertaining poll after the OMG stuff on yesterday's thread. I expect the truth is somewhere in between, as usual, but as I've been saying for some weeks, we Corbynites have not heard him say anything we dislike so far, though putting it across outside the ranks of existing supporters is a learning curve...

    Meanwhile, wry cartoon in the middlebrow German mag Cicero, called "The limits of military strategy":

    http://www.cicero.de/karikaturen/die-grenzen-der-militaerstrategie

    "They're launching air attacks against the CENTRE of IS terrorism". "Against BELGIUM?"

    Like all good cartoons, it makes a useful point. Even if ISIS is utterly defeated in Syria and Iraq, there will still be a global problem.

    Yep - Nick voted for someone who hangs out with apologists for terrorism and calls them his friends, and that is exactly what Nick got. Nick is not interested in Labour ever being in power again. He is happy for the Tories to do the governing stuff. It's good for Nick he has got what he wants. But maybe less good for the people that Labour used to care about.

    How do you explain him being the most popular leader despite constant sniping from MPs like Danczuk and former supporters like yourself.

    Why are Lab polling more than at GE 2015 despite people like yourself and DH changing their horse?

    I think anyone looking at opinion polls and not real polls is deluding him/herself after the polling fiasco in May. I knew they were wrong then. I know this one is wrong now.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    edited 2015 19

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    You misunderestimate the great British public.

    They aren't paying attention. They didn't seem to be paying attention (or were having a laugh) for much of EdM's opposition.

    But some time before they reach the polling station, perhaps on the way there, they switch modes and conduct razor sharp analysis of the choices before them.

    And, more often than not, they make the right decision as a result.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773

    Scott_P said:

    So this is what the honeymoon looks like.

    @robfordmancs: Politics of opportunity cost 1: in day when 97% of doctors vote no confidence in a Tory health secretary, Lab talking about abolishing MI5
    Except they aren't
    You are right, they are talking about how the phrase "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police" doesn't mean "Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police".
    No they aren't.

    Since the overwhelming vote of confidence in Jezza in MORI

    And the overwhelming vote of no confidence by Doctos in the other Jezza

    I can understand you wishing it were so
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JasonGroves1: Labour spokesman says Corbyn still has 'full confidence' in John McDonnell, despite his call for MI5 to be disbanded
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    Does that 67% include Jeremy?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    Either you really are as thick as a docker's sandwich or you don't get how polling is meant to work 6 months after a GE in the midst of continued austerity. If you really think Corbyn or Labour could get anywhere near those levels in a GE you must have been the one advising NPXMP about his prospects in Broxtowe last May.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TOPPING said:

    tlg86 said:


    Why is Corbyn only "acting leader of the Labour party" ?

    I think they've used the same diagram from when Hattie was in charge.
    The hazards of copy and paste...
    Indeed. Is one of immutable laws of blogging, you can never spot your own typos but you can spot everyone else's typos very easily.
    And rephrasings / edits.
    Wrong. All those things are easy to spot in your own posts.

    6:00:01 minutes after you first post your comment.
    You are sadly and rather irritatingly correct. Irritating in the sense of how I feel whem I have to correct nearly all my posts.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 19
    felix said:

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    Either you really are as thick as a docker's sandwich or you don't get how polling is meant to work 6 months after a GE in the midst of continued austerity. If you really think Corbyn or Labour could get anywhere near those levels in a GE you must have been the one advising NPXMP about his prospects in Broxtowe last May.
    If you're ever wondering why the 'Envy of the World' is in the red, take a moment to remember that it's financially 'managed' by ding dongs like Owls.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    edited 2015 19
    FPT: In response to @Chris A, who responded to my comment below

    "They certainly need a reality check. A sense of professionalism too, if they want to be thought of as professionals. And a recognition that their salaries are paid for by others' taxes. Others who earn less, have less job security, have endured far more hardship than doctors and who depend on them."

    With this -

    "Ah yes the usual pb commentator who cannot stand the fact that there are some things which the state should do and therefore pay people to do it. It matters not a fig where the salary comes from if the government is committed to doing dangerous things they have a duty to speak up. "

    I haven't seen you around much but for your information the reasons I have a problem - a big problem - with what the doctors are proposing are these:-

    1. When there was the last doctor's strike, operations were postponed. My father was one of those patients whose operation was postponed and by the time he had it the cancer was inoperable and he died from a cancer which, even then, he could have survived. My father was a doctor and would never have done to patients what was done to him. And he never did so in a career that spanned 40 years, encompassing WW2 and where he was paid far less than doctors now and paid far more tax. He suffered, his family suffered and I miss him to this day. I think it unconscionable that doctors now should seek to take the risk of inflicting something similar on people today and still claim the moral high ground.

    2. There is no reason why the state should do health or all of it. Very few countries in the world have a system like ours. Doctors are very keen on the NHS but are not prepared to accept the restraints that such a system inevitably puts on patients - via rationing (or queues, as they are known) - or on salaries. They want to have market salaries in a state run system.

    3. I have been having a series of tests over the last few weeks in relation to various issues, one of which may be cancer. I do not want to be in a position where any treatment I need is delayed because doctors are more bothered about their pay than about their duties to their patients. I should not need to spell out why I feel concerned.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Either you really are as thick as a docker's sandwich or you don't get how polling is meant to work 6 months after a GE in the midst of continued austerity. ''

    The point that the dreadful awfulness of the current labour regime has not filtered through to the electorate may be a valid one, however.

    Oldham will tell us something.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    0_o
    I worry my daughters will be groomed by ISIS and lured to Syria, warns Labour's London Mayor candidate Sadiq Khan

    More must be done to prevent children accessing extremist material online
    Admits he grew up with people who went on to 'act' on terrible views
    Warns British Muslims have a 'special role' to 'root out' extremists
    Distances himself from Corbyn's warning about police shooting terrorists
    Insists British Muslim women and girls should be free not to wear the veil


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3325538/I-worry-daughters-groomed-ISIS-lured-Syria-warns-Labour-s-candidate-London-Mayor-Sadiq-Khan.html#ixzz3rxGh5Rcl
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  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598



    Yep - Nick voted for someone who hangs out with apologists for terrorism and calls them his friends, and that is exactly what Nick got. Nick is not interested in Labour ever being in power again. He is happy for the Tories to do the governing stuff. It's good for Nick he has got what he wants. But maybe less good for the people that Labour used to care about.

    Southam, I don't think you should project your views onto others. You're entitled to think all the above, but your reaction to a poll you don't like is just that you're right and the poll is wrong, and your reaction to my disagreeing with you is that I'm not interested in Labour being in power.

    The equivalent would be if I said that you didn't care what Labour stood for, so long as it won elections and kept the Tories out. It's probably not a fair representation of your views. If we each stick to saying what we think ourselves, we're on more solid ground, no?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Barnesian said:

    Con 41
    Lab 34

    How many seats would that leave Labour?

    Putting these figures into Electoral Calculus

    Con 336
    Lab 232
    LD 5
    UKIP 0
    Green 1

    Tory majority of 22
    SNP ?
    Labour on 232 after 4 years of Corbyn would be a massive result for 'Momentum'. We would of course have to start a new charity for hard up deselected Labour MPs.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited 2015 19

    @SebastianEPayne: Exclusive polling from @JamesDMorris: 67% have no idea what Jeremy Corbyn is saying https://t.co/IymLvveuPp https://t.co/YI3eMWbEtn

    It is better to be incoherently the most popular leader like Jezza or Coherent but least popular like Dave
    Speaking as one being governed by these people I would say that I prefer to be governed by a leader who is coherent and, preferably, sane. I care not a jot for what those people in Parliament get up to in their private lives, what they eat or drink or otherwise consume.

    However, I hope for politicians who are honest, can follow a train of thought at least as far as seeing some of the unintended consequences, who are prepared as a general rule to think beyond the next election and who want to govern for the general good in the world we live in today. My hopes are frequently dashed even though I don't think I am asking for much.
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