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edited 2015 18 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Nick Palmer: Why Angela Merkel is going to remain as German Chancellor

A regular feature of PB in recent weeks has been predictions that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s position is becoming increasingly untenable and either she will need to resign or the CDU poll rating will collapse. At one level, this seems borne out by the polls – Merkel’s popularity is down to 49%, still enviable by British standards but far below her historical average.

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  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    edited 2015 18
    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @CJTerry: Somewhere in CCHQ, the press team has just decided to take a boozy lunch.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Good article.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @sonofspeke: #Corbyn is now perceived as both pro #Putin AND pro #ISIS
    That is an extraordinary achievement
    #Labour
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited 2015 18
    They could all just stay at home and play Call Of Duty full time right now.

    I've barely heard a peep from them in weeks.
    Scott_P said:

    @CJTerry: Somewhere in CCHQ, the press team has just decided to take a boozy lunch.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    @tnewtondunn: Do you still think British troops in Iraq were "occupiers", @MrHarryCole asks @SeumasMilne? Answer: "We don't comment on staff issues".

    It would be funny if these people weren't auditioning for the role of running the country.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Thank you for that. I agree it sounds like HMRC is making a silly mistake but on the other hand I well remember the prognostications of doom when IR35 was introduced. So I doubt the effect of the new rules will be as bad as people in that article are making out.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @TomChivers: it's been more than 10 minutes since the last Labour meltdown and I'm getting nostalgic already
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Talking about yourself in the third person is always entertaining.

    @tnewtondunn: Do you still think British troops in Iraq were "occupiers", @MrHarryCole asks @SeumasMilne? Answer: "We don't comment on staff issues".

    It would be funny if these people weren't auditioning for the role of running the country.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    edited 2015 18
    Nigeria's President Muhammadu Buhari has ordered the arrest of his predecessor's security adviser, for allegedly stealing some $2bn (£1.3bn).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34855695

    There is skimming off the top, then there is...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,361
    Scott_P said:

    @sonofspeke: #Corbyn is now perceived as both pro #Putin AND pro #ISIS
    That is an extraordinary achievement
    #Labour

    The more amazing achievement is to be perceived as so Anti the British Bloke in the Street..... What has it been - not even two months?
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    On the previous topic:
    There is a disgusting overlap between those who argue foreign interventions invite terrorism and the claim that women who dress proactively invite rape. In that both claims wrongly try to shift responsibility and blame.

    On the new thread:
    I think Nick Palmer doesn't consider the very real possibility that the grand coalition falls below 50%. Afd and Fdp look very likely to both cross the threshold, especially so if the trend continues the way it has been going.
    Also it is a massive stretch to call her a small c conservative, when she happily overseas a European superstate project with an un-audited and unrestrained EU budget. My money still firmly rests on her premiership coming to an end before or at the next federal election.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Only his arrest? Mexican cartels would have everyone he'd ever met turned into pate and force fed to his relatives.

    Nigeria's President Muhammadu Buhari has ordered the arrest of his predecessor's security adviser, for allegedly stealing some $2bn (£1.3bn).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34855695

    There is skimming off the top, then there is...

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,238
    Bolleaux to Angela Merkel we're having too much fun with Jezza's antics.

    fpt:

    Dear god just catching up with the DP interview with John Woodcock.

    Seems a decent enough bloke and you have absolutely got to feel for him and it showed how uncomfortable he was and how honourable in trying to do the best thing in this super-100% bonkers can't f**king believe it Labour Party.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @hugorifkind: Politics moves so fast these days. I hadn't even realised Ken Livingstone had anything to resign from.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited 2015 18
    Good and succinct article, Nick, thanks.

    The key, though, is the last paragraph. Yes, she's not in any immediate electoral danger (though there is an election coming up in 2017), but that doesn't mean that she, and Germany, can simply ignore the impact of the migration crisis on the politics and economics of the country. I expect a fairly rapid U-turn on the open borders policy. Germany is going to be badly stretched by the numbers who have already entered the country; it's all very well getting local authorities to find temporary shelter for large numbers of migrants, but that doesn't solve the longer-term problem of absorbing them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,624
    "I had no idea he had any mental health issues. If he's upset I'm sorry" - Red Ken...

    Classic non apology. I am sorry he is upset, not that I upset him. As he said so himself, if somebody is rude to him, he will be rude back.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    The outrage from some of these Labour MPs about Livingstone's disgusting remarks, might be more credible had they not mere months ago been tripping over themselves to abstain on Tory welfare cuts that targeted people with mental health problems.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    So he stays Jezza's mate and keeps his job *balancing* policy. And everyone else rolls their eyes at each other and do nothing.

    Another great job by Team Jeremy.

    "I had no idea he had any mental health issues. If he's upset I'm sorry" - Red Ken...

    Classic non apology. I am sorry he is upset, not that I upset him. As he said so himself, if somebody is rude to him, he will be rude back.

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Richard Howard @RichHoward84
    @DPJHodges @KevanJonesMP Well Kevan was wearing a short skirt, you understand. Asking for it obviously...
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    I doubt that Angela will stand for re-election, she is looking past her sell by date.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,238
    Thanks for this Nick. IANAE in German politics, but I can't see her going imminently.

    As an aside, the threader is in an editable box for me .
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    It was just Ken, being Ken.

    Richard Howard @RichHoward84
    @DPJHodges @KevanJonesMP Well Kevan was wearing a short skirt, you understand. Asking for it obviously...

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Are we getting to the point where the non-Corbyn supporting MPs will decide not to stand up in the media to "explain and defend" labour?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Only his arrest? Mexican cartels would have everyone he'd ever met turned into pate and force fed to his relatives.

    Nigeria's President Muhammadu Buhari has ordered the arrest of his predecessor's security adviser, for allegedly stealing some $2bn (£1.3bn).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34855695

    There is skimming off the top, then there is...

    Nigeria in scam and fraud shocker xD !
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    Danny565 said:

    The outrage from some of these Labour MPs about Livingstone's disgusting remarks, might be more credible had they not mere months ago been tripping over themselves to abstain on Tory welfare cuts that targeted people with mental health problems.

    Sorry; Source or sauce? Mental-health is becoming a major NHS issue currently.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/making-healthcare-more-human-centred-and-not-system-centred

    Should you reflect and toodle-off 'son'...?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: The Labour party's official position is that Livingstone's comments are as serious as racism. He's said it's not his fault a Labour MP got..

    @DPJHodges: ...upset when he abused him in this way. What's the leader of the Labour party going to do now. Anything?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Dr Palmer's article is very interesting and , I suspect, quite accurate. However, it may be based on ideas that whilst have been rock solid for many years are now starting to shift.

    There is a lot of anger and frustration in Germany over Merkel's come all ye faithful of what ever faith. There have been frequent criminal acts against migrants that would be extraordinary, if not damn near impossible to imagine, over here (e.g. burning down hostels). No doubt they are the work of a small minority but, like Mao's fish in the sea, that small minority of nutters could not exist without at least the tacit support of a much larger number.

    German poll numbers might not move much but the feelings of the German people may not be as cosy and comfortable as Dr. Palmer suggests.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The furore over Livingstone's remarks mask the real issue. That because Eagle wasn't doing as she was expected (in rejecting Trident), that Corbyn simply appointed someone else to make sure she did.

  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited 2015 18
    Anyone remember the other socialist who once wrote about "window -lickers"?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W3yJF_FflA
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Bless, IT monkeys earning £100k are complaining they might end up paying more tax than the person who serves them in Sainsburys.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Danny565 said:

    The outrage from some of these Labour MPs about Livingstone's disgusting remarks, might be more credible had they not mere months ago been tripping over themselves to abstain on Tory welfare cuts that targeted people with mental health problems.

    Silver medal. @Notme took the gold last thread.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''One has to ask... where's Tom Watson?''

    The man cited by the commentariat as the political mastermind who was REALLY leading labour???

    Good question!
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Thank you for that. I agree it sounds like HMRC is making a silly mistake but on the other hand I well remember the prognostications of doom when IR35 was introduced. So I doubt the effect of the new rules will be as bad as people in that article are making out.

    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Danny565 said:

    The outrage from some of these Labour MPs about Livingstone's disgusting remarks, might be more credible had they not mere months ago been tripping over themselves to abstain on Tory welfare cuts that targeted people with mental health problems.

    Sorry; Source or sauce? Mental-health is becoming a major NHS issue currently.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/making-healthcare-more-human-centred-and-not-system-centred

    Should you reflect and toodle-off 'son'...?
    Do you really, honestly believe the quality of mental health services is improving?
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    notme said:

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Bless, IT monkeys earning £100k are complaining they might end up paying more tax than the person who serves them in Sainsburys.

    You have absolutely no clue do you?

    See my last comment.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Thank you for that. I agree it sounds like HMRC is making a silly mistake but on the other hand I well remember the prognostications of doom when IR35 was introduced. So I doubt the effect of the new rules will be as bad as people in that article are making out.
    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.



    Yes, you wont be able to play a tax dodge so blatant that it would make Starbucks blush.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.

    Yes, I think this is right - the government might be about to make a major blunder, if the rumours of what they are planning are true. Discussions are still continuing.

    Declaration of interest: My wife recently became a non-exec director of IPSE, the group mentioned in that article.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Have stil got a bet on Corbyn being out in 2015 - not given up on that yet.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Very moving statement at end of R4 WATO by a frenchman who lost his wife in the attacks. A real choker.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    What happens if you're a Junior Doctor that freelances IT at the weekend ?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Pulpstar said:

    Danny565 said:

    The outrage from some of these Labour MPs about Livingstone's disgusting remarks, might be more credible had they not mere months ago been tripping over themselves to abstain on Tory welfare cuts that targeted people with mental health problems.

    Silver medal. @Notme took the gold last thread.
    Thank you.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Interesting article, Mr Palmer, thank you. Though I do wonder whether her People Smuggler's Charter generous invitation to 'come one come all' might get a lot worse before it gets better - if Germany eventually shuts its borders its going to have lots of eastern neighbours incandescent at the problem they have been lumbered with.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    Danny565 said:

    Do you really, honestly believe the quality of mental health services is improving?

    Do you comprehend the English language: This is not an over-night transformation nor a five-minute segments on Al-Beeb. It is a long-term goal and I suspect you know the sum-of-the-square-root-of-zero: Maybe in a few years we can ask Schmuckie* how things are going...?

    :till-then-silence-is-golden:

    * Whereever he has lost himself in NHS-Kent...! :(
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    notme said:

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.

    Yes, you wont be able to play a tax dodge so blatant that it would make Starbucks blush.

    I'm a contractor (as you may have gathered)
    I've no issue with HMRC/Gov changing the rules and closing down loopholes. The travel/subsistance and dividend changes announced at the last budget for example are all fine.

    This isn't going to result in me paying more tax. It will likely result in me paying no tax until I can find a FTE job on a salary that results in less tax.

    It is about the flexible contractor market evaporating.

    My company structure is there to afford me some protection for when i'm out of work or ill. I have to cover my own pension, sick-pay, holiday pay, insurance, accountancy and so on. It isn't a wheeze to get out of tax.

    By refusing to engage in any debate beyond ya-boo-pay-up-you-tax-dodger, you show yourself up as ignorant and would be best placed to STFU.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Sacre bleu - I'd love to see the figures for the 50+ then :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,361

    Nigeria's President Muhammadu Buhari has ordered the arrest of his predecessor's security adviser, for allegedly stealing some $2bn (£1.3bn).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34855695

    There is skimming off the top, then there is...

    Nigeria proving the old Everett Dirksen adage of "a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking about real money..."
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    edited 2015 18
    Right wing rag:

    When Corbyn used his final question to press him on whether neighbourhood policing wouldl be protected, Cameron shot to kill.

    It was an apt demonstration of precisely what Labour MPs fear: that Corbyn's contentious statements will undermine his wider message at every turn. Their leader, they fear, will never win a hearing on police cuts and security funding if voters do not trust him with the basic duty of national defence.


    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/11/pmqs-review-david-cameron-shoots-kill-attack-jeremy-corbyn
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely''

    That poll is interesting given that, on the outside at least, Hollande seems to be doing a pretty good job.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 18

    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?

    Enjoying lunch in a fancy West End restaurant? Try The Gay Hussar first.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Lol, I was being told just two days ago that the polls won't have moved since April. Le Pen has a shot at winning in France, which is disturbing to say the least. Hopefully Sarkozy, Juppe or Filon can unite the centre-right and force a run off between either one of them and the left.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    It has been interesting today watching France24. They seem completely obsessed with asking why a woman would blow herself up as a suicide bomber. They can't understand that a woman could become a radical Islamist. A woman? Not possible. Must ask as many people as possible how a woman might ever consider doing that...

    Utterly bizarre obsession
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,361
    edited 2015 18
    One thing of note in PMQs was the question asked by shadow rail minster Jonathan Reynolds who got a great reaction - and a momentarily flummoxed PM acknowledging he had hit a zinger - by referring to Cameron as "the new leader of the anti-austerity movement in Oxfordshire". With people like him in its ranks, Labour might still have a future.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Livingstone apologises...in the same way as Father Jack.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    MaxPB said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Lol, I was being told just two days ago that the polls won't have moved since April. Le Pen has a shot at winning in France, which is disturbing to say the least. Hopefully Sarkozy, Juppe or Filon can unite the centre-right and force a run off between either one of them and the left.
    It depends whether the French electorate are more scared of Le Pen being a closet Nazi or France falling apart under a President who they fear may fail to do what's needed on security and immigration.

    If Le Pen is polling at 40%+ I would put her favourite to win even in the second round.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Tooting Broadway tube evacuated...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    edited 2015 18
    The Livingston (non)apology is even worse than it appears:

    "I had no idea that he had any mental health issues, otherwise I never would have said it. If he's upset, I'm sorry. But he can't blame me - he was the one who came out and attacked me and questioned my competence to do this job . . .

    "I grew up in South London; if someone was rude to you, you were rude back to them. I didn't get to Eton and get all that smarmy charming education, I'm afraid."


    Of course, neither did Kevan Jones go to Eton (Worksop Comprehensive...)

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2015/11/ken-livingstone-tells-mp-who-questioned-his-defence-role-seek-psychiatric

    Edit - it gets worse when you read what Jones said of Ken: "I'm not sure Ken knows anything about defence. It will only damage our credibility amongst those that do and who care about defence."

    Surely 'Kevan is wrong, I know loads about defence, protecting London from nuclear annihilation by declaring it a 'Nuclear Free Zone' would have been sufficient - not a nasty (under any circumstances, let alone one where the target has suffered from mental health issues) personal attack....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    taffys said:

    ''A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely''

    That poll is interesting given that, on the outside at least, Hollande seems to be doing a pretty good job.

    I think a lot of people hold him responsible for the attacks and letting the situation get this bad. Le Pen has radical solutions and people are hoping that she can at least do something to stem the tide of Islamic immigration and crush terrorists, both at home and overseas.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Is that just for the 18-34 year old age group? If so, what are the figures for the whole electorate?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: Kevan Jones responds to Ken... https://t.co/fXN2JxdGlu

    @KevanJonesMP: @GuidoFawkes and what about apologising to other thousands of people he insulted.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449

    It has been interesting today watching France24. They seem completely obsessed with asking why a woman would blow herself up as a suicide bomber. They can't understand that a woman could become a radical Islamist. A woman? Not possible. Must ask as many people as possible how a woman might ever consider doing that...

    Utterly bizarre obsession

    Mental illness?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,928



    I'm a contractor (as you may have gathered)
    I've no issue with HMRC/Gov changing the rules and closing down loopholes. The travel/subsistance and dividend changes announced at the last budget for example are all fine.

    This isn't going to result in me paying more tax. It will likely result in me paying no tax until I can find a FTE job on a salary that results in less tax.

    It is about the flexible contractor market evaporating.

    My company structure is there to afford me some protection for when i'm out of work or ill. I have to cover my own pension, sick-pay, holiday pay, insurance, accountancy and so on. It isn't a wheeze to get out of tax.

    By refusing to engage in any debate beyond ya-boo-pay-up-you-tax-dodger, you show yourself up as ignorant and would be best placed to STFU.

    For many contractors the T&S changes by itself will destroy contracting for them.

    Given that I compete with the big consultancies why should their consultant be allowed to claim train travel and hotels when spending Monday to Friday at a remote client while I am refused the ability to reclaim those expenses.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''I think a lot of people hold him responsible for the attacks and letting the situation get this bad.''

    I know nothing of French politics but wondered whether Hollande's robust response is due to the fact the right is breathing down his neck.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    "I grew up in South London; if someone was rude to you, you were rude back to them. I didn't get to Eton and get all that smarmy charming education, I'm afraid."

    LOL, so only Etonians can be expected to be polite and sensitive!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Caroline Flint ‏@CarolineFlintMP 36m36 minutes ago
    Caroline Flint Retweeted Luciana Berger
    Some will say criticism of Livingstone is an attack on the left. Be honest - his comments were those of a bully.

    Hell hath no fury...
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    watford30 said:

    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?

    Enjoying lunch in a fancy West End restaurant? Try The Gay Hussar first.
    Golly, is the Gay Hussar still going? I used to take young ladies for dinner there in the early seventies. The Gay Hussar and, for the more adventurous type of lady, Veeraswamy's, both worked like a charm.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited 2015 18
    To-not-be-a-Frank:

    Electing Ms Marine Le-Pen would be like electing Mr B Netanyahu or Mr S Berlusconi to some nation with potential but without an electoral or legal structure to protect the state.* A choice that God has given gracious-governance that I will never have to face! Sometimes opposition or abstinence** is better...!

    :thankfully-never-voted-labour-bnp-nf-or-such-like:

    * It would be like Jockaneselundt electing some Salmon (other fish are available). They may have even elected some Jacobin Joke from Harpenden...!

    ** In Llhama terms I will congregate at my local - ahem - 'temperance' hostelry.

    :phewie...:
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    I still think Ken should go, he's clearly had his arm twisted to force out that pathetic apology. To the point where it means nothing and the damage has already been done - to the party and himself.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    eek said:

    Given that I compete with the big consultancies why should their consultant be allowed to claim train travel and hotels when spending Monday to Friday at a remote client while I am refused the ability to reclaim those expenses.

    Yes, that is the most indefensible aspect of what the government is proposing. If the proposals go ahead, two contractors working side-by-side will be treated completely differently: one who works for Ernst & Young will be able to claim tax-free travel expenses, one who works for a one-man or small contracting group won't. It is so transparently unfair that it must surely be challengeable.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 18

    watford30 said:

    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?

    Enjoying lunch in a fancy West End restaurant? Try The Gay Hussar first.
    Golly, is the Gay Hussar still going? I used to take young ladies for dinner there in the early seventies. The Gay Hussar and, for the more adventurous type of lady, Veeraswamy's, both worked like a charm.
    Both still going. Veeraswamy is a block along the road from my office. Is it any good?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    @chrisshipitv: Ken Livingstone to @itvnews word for word: "this guy [@KevanJonesMP] shouldn't pick a fight with people and then start whimping around"

    He can't help himself, can he?
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    eek said:



    I'm a contractor (as you may have gathered)
    I've no issue with HMRC/Gov changing the rules and closing down loopholes. The travel/subsistance and dividend changes announced at the last budget for example are all fine.

    This isn't going to result in me paying more tax. It will likely result in me paying no tax until I can find a FTE job on a salary that results in less tax.

    It is about the flexible contractor market evaporating.

    My company structure is there to afford me some protection for when i'm out of work or ill. I have to cover my own pension, sick-pay, holiday pay, insurance, accountancy and so on. It isn't a wheeze to get out of tax.

    By refusing to engage in any debate beyond ya-boo-pay-up-you-tax-dodger, you show yourself up as ignorant and would be best placed to STFU.

    For many contractors the T&S changes by itself will destroy contracting for them.

    Given that I compete with the big consultancies why should their consultant be allowed to claim train travel and hotels when spending Monday to Friday at a remote client while I am refused the ability to reclaim those expenses.
    Well yes, for many the T&S changes will mean the end of their business. They won't make much difference to me as I generally live and work in the Central Belt.

    If a consultancy can claim T&S, then surely it shouldn't matter how many people they employ.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    Pauly said:



    On the new thread:
    I think Nick Palmer doesn't consider the very real possibility that the grand coalition falls below 50%. Afd and Fdp look very likely to both cross the threshold, especially so if the trend continues the way it has been going.
    Also it is a massive stretch to call her a small c conservative, when she happily overseas a European superstate project with an un-audited and unrestrained EU budget. My money still firmly rests on her premiership coming to an end before or at the next federal election.

    Well, the grand coalition is on 61% at the moment, and you get an absolute majority on 4% or so since there are always some parties that miss out on seats. So it would be a gigantic drop. And if it happened, say with FDP up to 10 and AfD up to 20, you'd STILL end up with a CDU-SPD coalition, as there would be even less of a viable alternative.

    Being pro-EU is small-c conservative in Germany. I'm not sure even the AfD are against it, though they're dubious about the Euro. All the other parties are fans to varying degrees.

    But you mention money. Excellent! Would you like a bet on your prediction? I offer you £20 on her premiership lasting until after the 2017 federal election. Bet void if she dies or has to resign due to overwhelming health reasons (not likely but none of us ever know).
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'm not sure *vile cockroach* covers it really.

    @chrisshipitv: Ken Livingstone to @itvnews word for word: "this guy [@KevanJonesMP] shouldn't pick a fight with people and then start whimping around"

    He can't help himself, can he?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @charlotteahenry: They're not organised enough to plan this, but row over vile mental health slur stopped people focussing on Lab's shambolic defence policy.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    A bill to extend France's state of emergency for three months includes a measure that enables authorities to close "any association or gathering" - which notably includes mosques and community groups - that would encourage people to carry out terrorist acts.

    The bill is to be debated by both houses of Parliament on Thursday and Friday and expected to be voted on by the end of the week.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    watford30 said:

    watford30 said:

    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?

    Enjoying lunch in a fancy West End restaurant? Try The Gay Hussar first.
    Golly, is the Gay Hussar still going? I used to take young ladies for dinner there in the early seventies. The Gay Hussar and, for the more adventurous type of lady, Veeraswamy's, both worked like a charm.
    Both still going. Veeraswamy is a block along the road from my office. Is it any good?
    Veeraswamy I knew was still going as I still, very occasionally, use it (I don't get up to Town much these days). In answer to your question, no it is not good, it is magnificent. My father took me there for my fourteenth birthday lunch and I fell in love with the place then and haven't fallen out of love with it since.

    Of course, it has changed a bit over the decades since my first visit but, for my money, it remains one of the best restaurants in London and probably the best Curry House in England. If you have an office so close then treat yourself one lunchtime, it is not that expensive and you will not regret it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    "To Forgive The Terrorists Is Up To God, But To Send Them To Him Is Up To Me." Heh
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    Thank you for that. I agree it sounds like HMRC is making a silly mistake but on the other hand I well remember the prognostications of doom when IR35 was introduced. So I doubt the effect of the new rules will be as bad as people in that article are making out.
    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.



    I've started thinking about moving to a flexible consultancy role in my line of work, and the thought that HMRC/the Treasury would drive a coach and horses through the personal service company arrangements has been one of the concerns holding me back from pursuing it. This seems terribly un-thought-through if this is the sort of thing they're thinking. The ability to structure a flexible working arrangement this way is a major attraction to offset the fact there will be periods without paid work. Changes like this could kill flexible working stone dead.

    Will be interesting to see what is announced, and the implications as a result!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely

    The last local elections were in 2015. AFAIK, there are none now for a while.

    Looking at those local elections earlier this year, the FN was did significantly worse than expected. Polls had them in the low 30s for the first round, ahead of the UMP/The Republicans on 28-29%. In fact, the FN ended up about 6-7% behind the Republicans, and ended up with just 62 out of more than 4,000 seats.

    Essentially, despite being number one in the polls, the FN was so transfer unfriendly they ended up with just 1.5% of the seats. That's behind the Communist Party, and the Radical Party of the Left.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,346
    Scott_P said:

    @charlotteahenry: They're not organised enough to plan this, but row over vile mental health slur stopped people focussing on Lab's shambolic defence policy.

    Dead cat?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Is that just for the 18-34 year old age group? If so, what are the figures for the whole electorate?
    The numbers show Juppe in the lead against Le Pen, 31.5% vs 29%. This is the worst result for the FN since April.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    MaxPB said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Lol, I was being told just two days ago that the polls won't have moved since April. Le Pen has a shot at winning in France, which is disturbing to say the least. Hopefully Sarkozy, Juppe or Filon can unite the centre-right and force a run off between either one of them and the left.
    They have moved Max - they've moved away from Le Pen. She was leading Juppe 29% to 25% in September. She's stayed still, while Juppe has jumped to 31.5%.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Scott_P said:

    @charlotteahenry: They're not organised enough to plan this, but row over vile mental health slur stopped people focussing on Lab's shambolic defence policy.

    Not for long, though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely

    The last local elections were in 2015. AFAIK, there are none now for a while.

    Looking at those local elections earlier this year, the FN was did significantly worse than expected. Polls had them in the low 30s for the first round, ahead of the UMP/The Republicans on 28-29%. In fact, the FN ended up about 6-7% behind the Republicans, and ended up with just 62 out of more than 4,000 seats.

    Essentially, despite being number one in the polls, the FN was so transfer unfriendly they ended up with just 1.5% of the seats. That's behind the Communist Party, and the Radical Party of the Left.
    There are regional elections in a month, as you surely know? The FN are hoping to win in Picardy and maybe Provence.
    I didn't know that. Good think you're here.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Is that just for the 18-34 year old age group? If so, what are the figures for the whole electorate?
    The numbers show Juppe in the lead against Le Pen, 31.5% vs 29%. This is the worst result for the FN since April.
    Thanks.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    watford30 said:

    watford30 said:

    One has to ask... where's Tom watson?

    Enjoying lunch in a fancy West End restaurant? Try The Gay Hussar first.
    Golly, is the Gay Hussar still going? I used to take young ladies for dinner there in the early seventies. The Gay Hussar and, for the more adventurous type of lady, Veeraswamy's, both worked like a charm.
    Both still going. Veeraswamy is a block along the road from my office. Is it any good?
    Veeraswamy I knew was still going as I still, very occasionally, use it (I don't get up to Town much these days). In answer to your question, no it is not good, it is magnificent. My father took me there for my fourteenth birthday lunch and I fell in love with the place then and haven't fallen out of love with it since.

    Of course, it has changed a bit over the decades since my first visit but, for my money, it remains one of the best restaurants in London and probably the best Curry House in England. If you have an office so close then treat yourself one lunchtime, it is not that expensive and you will not regret it.
    On your recommendation I'll book a table, and report back.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    Is that just for the 18-34 year old age group? If so, what are the figures for the whole electorate?
    The numbers show Juppe in the lead against Le Pen, 31.5% vs 29%. This is the worst result for the FN since April.
    Thanks.
    It's more accurate to say that it's the best result for the Republicans for six months. Mme Le Pen is still on 29% and has been pretty much constant since early 2014.

    What's changed is that Bayrou's MoDem has lost support to the Centre-Right.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,254
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    chestnut said:

    Poll from France:

    Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects 5h5 hours ago View translation
    France Poll, Ifop (18-34 yrs):

    Le Pen (FN-ENF): 40%
    Juppé (R-EPP): 20%
    Hollande (PS-S&D): 19%
    Mélenchon (FG-LEFT): 8%
    #SaintDenis #LePen

    A Front National victory in the upcoming local elections seems increasingly likely

    The last local elections were in 2015. AFAIK, there are none now for a while.

    Looking at those local elections earlier this year, the FN was did significantly worse than expected. Polls had them in the low 30s for the first round, ahead of the UMP/The Republicans on 28-29%. In fact, the FN ended up about 6-7% behind the Republicans, and ended up with just 62 out of more than 4,000 seats.

    Essentially, despite being number one in the polls, the FN was so transfer unfriendly they ended up with just 1.5% of the seats. That's behind the Communist Party, and the Radical Party of the Left.
    There are regional elections in a month, as you surely know? The FN are hoping to win in Picardy and maybe Provence.
    Picardy will be no more as it is being merged with Nord-Pas-de-Calais in one of the new amalgamated regions

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_France
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,161
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, I think I might have had the world's peak travel experience last week.

    I have been hopping across north India doing a travel piece for the Times, with my GF. In Agra we stayed in probably the most opulent suite I have ever seen (and I've seen a few), the "Lord Curzon Suite" at the Oberoi Armavillas. This photo gives a fair impression:

    http://www.hotelsinagra.org/photos/1910224494.jpg

    You basically get the best view of the Taj Mahal possible, from your immense marble balcony.

    ANYWAY I met the hotel manager for a tiffin and he casually told me how much it cost - my suite. £5000 a night. Five grand. Ouch. And that's not high season. Oprah and Sarkozy have stayed in the same suite.

    In celebration of the fact I wasn't paying I then (nervous readers please look away now) had some *relations* with my girlfriend, and at the crucial moment of rapture I looked up from the bed and saw the sun striking the dome of the Taj Mahal - so basically my experience was like being in that photo only with an orgasm, too.

    Can anyone beat that?



    Of course.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Leader scores for the middle east/terrorism crisis:

    Putin 8/10.
    Hollande 9/10.
    Cameron 7/10.
    Obama 3/10.
    Merkel 1/10.
  • WilliamzWilliamz Posts: 44
    Mr 30

    The Veeraswamy really is excellent. You will love it.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    Arieh Kovler ‏@ariehkovler 19 hrs19 hours ago

    Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell wanted to "disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police" in April http://socialistnetwork.org/as-uk-elections-approach-a-socialist-campaign-for-a-labour-victory-is-launched/

    Oh dear god...
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    edited 2015 18

    notme said:

    1st?

    FPT:

    Barnesian said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Watson has a perpetual frown on his face, it hasn't changed in his master speaks.

    Look at Osborne's face. It is a ghastly mask. What is wrong with him?
    Has he just realised that he's backed himself into a corner with the upcoming Autumn Statement and now realises he's about to kill off the UK IT industry?
    Kill off the UK IT industry? I am not surprised if that is true Cameron and Co seem quite content if industries die because of their policies such as what passes for an energy policy in their eyes. However, I wasn't aware of anything new going on the will affect the IT industry. Care to elaborate, Mr. Barber?
    IT contractors raise alarm over HMRC mulling 'one-month' nudge onto payrolls

    “The flexible labour market is at stake here. That same flexible labour market has helped us keep unemployment at record lows. The tax system should reflect how people in the UK work, not how HMRC wants them to work. This kind of measure could have a dramatic and devastating impact.”
    The devil will be in the detail, naturally.
    IR35 was/is silly and practically unenforceable in all but the most glaring of cases.
    This has the potential to be catestrophic. Given most places I've worked at employ roughly 20-25% contractors, usually on 3-6 month assignments; will all of these now be simply brought onto payroll? really? More likely that these 20-25% will have their contracts terminated.
    The implications are huge.

    Yes, you wont be able to play a tax dodge so blatant that it would make Starbucks blush.
    I'm a contractor (as you may have gathered)
    ion for when i'm out of work or ill. I have to cover my own pension, sick-pay, holiday pay, insurance, accountancy and so on. It isn't a wheeze to get out of tax.

    By refusing to engage in any debate beyond ya-boo-pay-up-you-tax-dodger, you show yourself up as ignorant and would be best placed to STFU.

    So lets look through the numbers. According to http://www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php. Someone earning £100k on paye will pay £35k in tax and national insurance.

    What do you reckon your rate of tax would be on a £100k worth of contractor invoices into a one man company?

    I'll make a guess you'll pay yourself just enough to touch the tax free allowance, but not too much that hits hard on any tax credits you claim.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    I note Netanyahu has been quiet over all this recently. Probably the best tactic when your enemies are knocking seven shades of shit out of each other.
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