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  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited November 2015
    It has been reported that 60 people have been taken hostage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Well first post GOP debate poll, from Reuters/Ipsos (with changes since the debate):
    http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/LIKELY_PRIMARY15:1,PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20151107-20151113/type/day

    Trump 42 (+10)
    Carson 23 (-2)
    Rubio 9.6 (+0.2)
    Cruz 7.4 (- 3.5)
    Bush 4.2 (+0.5)

    To be honest, on those sorts of figures, mad as it is it might be worth backing Trump on the markets.
    As I suspected Trump's anti immigration rhetoric bombed with the GOP establishment but went down a storm with the GOP base
    I think you're right. But unfortunately an extended conversation on a deportation force to deport 10 + million illegals, splitting up families and invoking memories of Operation Wetback is going to cost Republicans the hispanic vote and the election if they keep it up.

    Republicans need to reach out to hispanics, and this won't do it.
    I think that they can replace that with protectionism that has a big


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016

    Hillary had her best results in the 2008 primaries in the rusybelt and if she adds Nevada and Colorado she is almost unstoppable. Pennsylvania and Michigan even voted for Kerry they are not going to vote for Trump
    But, any State with a large Whi
    Yes, but aren't the Republicans fighting a losing battle against unstoppable demographic trends?
    For some reason, they keep winning.

    Eh? They have just lost two consecutive presidential elections and have lost the popular vote in 5/6 of the last general elections. Yes they won some mid-terms but you may as well say Ed Miliband was a winner because he won the 2012 local elections by a landslide
    The Republicans comfortably won the House election 234-201 in 2012, with the same electorate that chose Obama. It's true that the Democrats polled slightly more votes (48.8% to 47.6%) but then as in any FPTP system, it's where you score the votes that matters.

    It remains to be seen whether that was indicative of split voting, was a personal vote for Obama or has real significance for 2016.
    So what, the Republicans won the House in 1996 when Clinton was re-elected, the Democrats won the House in 1984 and 1972 when Reagan and Nixon were re-elected, that is quite common
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    The Restaurant in the first shootings was Cambodian apparently Not sure if that mean anything but would have though a posh French restaurant would have been more obvious a target.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Good old beeb - correspondent talks about how many dead etc.

    Tim Wilcox in studio asks how France reacted to reports of Jihadi John being killed.

    Also now reports of 60 hostages being held.
  • Tim_B said:

    Scott_P said:

    Russia suspended from the IAAF

    Will they be at the OLympics?
    From the BBC report:

    "Russia's athletics federation has been provisionally suspended from international competition - including the Olympic Games - for its alleged involvement in widespread doping.

    The IAAF took action after the publication of an independent World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) report that alleged "state-sponsored doping".

    IAAF council members voted by 22-1 in favour of Russia being banned"


    I'd assume that the ban - provisional so far - will only relate to athletics at the moment but the allegation that the doping is state-sponsored has to raise questions about other sports.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sky News: at least 26 dead according to French police.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    To recap, 60 people held hostage amid multiple acts of terrorism in Paris tonight with at least 18 dead.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks
  • AndyJS said:

    Sky News: at least 26 dead according to French police.

    There's going to be more than 26...
  • John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    Julie Lenarz ‏@MsJulieLenarz 5m5 minutes ago
    Bodies littered in the streets of central #Paris like in a war zone. Police now say 20 dead but death toll rising.

    (censored image bellow)
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTuSjurWUAITZBp.jpg:large
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
    They will definitely try, that's for sure.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    A cell that decided to get revenge, or acting on orders from IS HQ?
    Oh come on, this takes weeks to plan.

    Particularly a coordinated attack.
    Well, you can have a plan ready to execute, and wait for the go ahead. I wasn't saying it was planned in the last 12 hours!
    Incredibly difficult to change these sorts of things to, say, bring them forward by even a week. And the attack on the Stade de France, and the bars, seems to have picked a busy night.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
    Why is that unfortunate?

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
    Who is going to hit us?
  • AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Much more likely outside the stadium.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    You can hear the explosions on this video from the football stadium:

    https://vine.co/v/iBb2x00UVlv
  • John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
    Who is going to hit us?
    Crazy Bastards.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    John_M said:

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    Unfortunately?
    Yep we're still to be hit.
    Who is going to hit us?
    Well, I think we can safely cross Jihadi John off the list of candidates. Though the idea that killing one person makes us more or less likely to be targeted is a a bit odd. That ship probably sailed back in '91.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    @ReggieCide

    If you can't accept an apology honestly given and sincerely meant over the reuse of an old joke at not even your expense, then maybe you should look at yourself rather than call the person who has apologised a pompous prat.

    I'm not as comfortable with myself as you seem to be with yourself. Let's draw a line now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    AndyJS said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    BBC saying 18 dead. What's up with France and terrorism.

    They have a long history in the middle east and north africa, they have a greater percentage of people from their ex-colonies and they are in an economic stagnation since the euro was created.
    Bit of a coincidence that this happened on the same day that Jihadi John was killed.
    Nah this in response to french warplanes attacking isis in september.
    This took a bit of planning.

    U.K yet to be targeted fot today, unfortunatley.
    2005 London bombings? However as you say France is launching airstrikes in Syria, we are not, unlike 2005 when we were in Iraq and France was not
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Sky news
    30 dead

  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AFP now says at least 30 dead
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Some sources related to IS are apparently expressing joy about events in Paris.

    We will know for sure the attack source and motivation within 6 hours.

    The immediate fear is a running event. Its a common tactic to keep things going for days to grip attention of media, a grip the public with fear.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "'Gunmen shouted Allah Akbar'
    Louis, inside the Bataclan, told France Info radio the men opened fire and shouted "Allah Akbar".
    He only saw silhouettes. He said:
    Quote The men came in and started shooting. Everyone fell to the ground. It was hell.
    I took my mum, and we hid. Someone near us said they have gone, so we ran out. I was only thinking of escaping.
    We're out now. I think people are still inside.
    It's a nightmare - a nightmare."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Le Figaro

    Message to all fans to evacuate stadium calmly under guard of cordon of police. (That's going to be tricky)
  • Wonder whether the killers will be from the suberbs or the middle east? It'll also be interesting to see which politician is the first to say this has nothing to do with islam. I'd go the former on the first and an unelected EU official on the second.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Most presidents normally face opposing parties in Congress, US mid-terms are the equivalent of our local elections, if we had a president and elected Parliament in mid-term too Labour may even have a majority in the House of Commons with Cameron as President. Yet it is the general election and the presidential election which is clearly the major US national election and which has the highest turnout

    You do realise that the mid-terms are simply "general elections" (as you put it) which don't happen on the same day as a presidential election. They are no different.
    No, as TimT has already pointed out general elections have double the turnout of mid-terms and the president is not up for election at mid-term. If we had a US Federal System the last election would have been Cameron v Miliband but Labour may already have won a majority in the House of Commons in 2012 as I already pointed out, politically mid-terms in both the US and UK are a chance to protest the government of the day
    Let's be quite clear - the only difference between a presidential election and mid-terms is that POTUS is not on the ballot. Otherwise they are identical. Mid-term turnout is much lower. They are NOT like local council elections in the UK. We have those too. In fact we had them last week, much to my surprise. There is no UK equivalent to the mid-terms.
    Yes but that is a huge difference as mid-terms, unlike general elections, do not determine the leader of the country. In that respect both mid-terms and council elections are identical, they both offer the opportunity to protest the policies of the president or the PM. UK county councils are the equivalent of US state legislatures the Houses of Parliament are the equivalent of Congress but I was not arguing councils were equivalent in legislative powers to Congress, but that council elections were used to cast a 'protest vote' much like mid term elections are in the US
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    It's the ultimate nightmare scenario for security folks - a gunman who has no plans for a getaway.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    For multiple Virgins in Paradise, or so they believe!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Most presidents normally face opposing parties in Congress, US mid-terms are the equivalent of our local elections, if we had a president and elected Parliament in mid-term too Labour may even have a majority in the House of Commons with Cameron as President. Yet it is the general election and the presidential election which is clearly the major US national election and which has the highest turnout

    You do realise that the mid-terms are simply "general elections" (as you put it) which don't happen on the same day as a presidential election. They are no different.
    No, as TimT has already pointed out general elections have double the turnout of mid-terms and the president is not up for election at mid-term. If we had a US Federal System the last election would have been Cameron v Miliband but Labour may already have won a majority in the House of Commons in 2012 as I already pointed out, politically mid-terms in both the US and UK are a chance to protest the government of the day
    Let's be quite clear - the only difference between a presidential election and mid-terms is that POTUS is not on the ballot. Otherwise they are identical. Mid-term turnout is much lower. They are NOT like local council elections in the UK. We have those too. In fact we had them last week, much to my surprise. There is no UK equivalent to the mid-terms.
    Yes but that is a huge difference as mid-terms, unlike general elections, do not determine the leader of the country. In that respect both mid-terms and council elections are identical, they both offer the opportunity to protest the policies of the president or the PM. UK county councils are the equivalent of US state legislatures the Houses of Parliament are the equivalent of Congress but I was not arguing councils were equivalent in legislative powers to Congress, but that council elections were used to cast a 'protest vote' much like mid term elections are in the US
    UK county elections are the equivalent of US county elections. Mid-terms can emasculate the leader's ability to pass legislation.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Sky News: 35 dead and 100 hostages.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2015
    BBC: 100 hostages at Paris Theatre according to police.
  • These look like unsophisticated attacks on random targets in relatively poor areas of Paris. I'm not sure what you can do to protect yourself against a few guys with automatic weapons in crowded streets, other than good intelligence and trying to keep automatic weapons out of the country as much as humanly possible. That's easier for us than for France, of course - the Schengen area includes some countries where guns are easy to source.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    AP now saying there are 100 hostages.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Crowd have now been moved onto the pitch at the game . Sky news.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    It's the ultimate nightmare scenario for security folks - a gunman who has no plans for a getaway.
    Actually in a way they do plan a getaway of sorts. They don't intend to be caught at first go, like those geezers in London who killed Lee Rigby then stood about. These lads play dynamic, chaos games before settling down for a last stand.

    As odd as this sounds, its a hell of a night to be at it. Good choice, - Friday..bad choice, big football match, lots of cops.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    ky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 28s29 seconds ago
    Update - AP: French police say around 100 hostages have been taken at Bataclan concert hall in Paris and 35 people are dead
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    At least 40 dead now. French TV
  • It's the Lord Mayor's show tomorrow.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2015

    At least 40 dead now. French TV

    Already more than twice as many as in the January attacks.
  • If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It gets worse and worse:

    Conflict News ‏@Conflicts 3m3 minutes ago
    BREAKING: Police official tells @AP around 100 hostages taken at #Paris theater, 35 dead - @BuzzFeedNews
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Attacks coordinated

    Paris's deputy mayor says it is too early to say if the attacks were coordinated acts of terror, but that it looks that way. US officials state the attacks were coordinated."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html
  • From Le Figaro:

    Des riverains à proximité des lieux des fusillades se mobilisent sur les réseaux sociaux. Avec le tag #PorteOuverte, ils proposent aux passants de les accueillir pour les protéger.

    "People living in the neighbourhoods of the shootings are mobilising themselves on social media. Using the hashtag #PorteOuverte [Open Door], they are offering protection to passers-by"
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Tim_B said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    It's the ultimate nightmare scenario for security folks - a gunman who has no plans for a getaway.
    Not really, Mr. B., you just contain and when the chance permits kill the bastard. God knows police forces in the US have had plenty of experience in that sort of operation in recent years only with maladjusted teenagers rather than Muslim loonies as the offender. From a security organisations point of view the murderer ho escapes is a much bigger headache because you know he is going to strike again but not where or when.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Most presidents normally face opposing parties in Congress, US mid-terms are the equivalent of our local elections, if we had a president and elected Parliament in mid-term too Labour may even have a majority in the House of Commons with Cameron as President. Yet it is the general election and the presidential election which is clearly the major US national election and which has the highest turnout

    You do realise that the mid-terms are simply "general elections" (as you put it) which don't happen on the same day as a presidential election. They are no different.
    No, as TimT has already pointed out general elections have double the turnout of mid-terms and the president is not up for election at mid-term. If we had a US Federal System the last election would have been Cameron v Miliband but Labour may already have won a majority in the House of Commons in 2012 as I already pointed out, politically mid-terms in both the US and UK are a chance to protest the government of the day
    Let's be quite clear - the only difference between a presidential election and mid-terms is that POTUS is not on the ballot. Otherwise they are identical. Mid-term turnout is much lower. They are NOT like local council elections in the UK. We have those too. In fact we had them last week, much to my surprise. There is no UK equivalent to the mid-terms.
    Yes but that is a huge difference as mid-terms, unlike general elections, do not determine the leader of the country. In that respect both mid-terms and council elections are identical, they both offer the opportunity to protest the policies of the president or the PM. UK county councils are the equivalent of US state legislatures the Houses of Parliament are the equivalent of Congress but I was not arguing councils were equivalent in legislative powers to Congress, but that council elections were used to cast a 'protest vote' much like mid term elections are in the US
    UK county elections are the equivalent of US county elections. Mid-terms can emasculate the leader's ability to pass legislation.
    Only in the sense US county elections may also be used to protest the policies of the party in the White House. If the UK had a president then the House of Commons may well be elected in mid-terms like Congress is (as also used to happen in France) and in that case they would emasculate the leader's ability to pass legislation too but politically those elections would still play the same role as council elections used to, expect they were now protesting the policies of the President and not the PM
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    For multiple Virgins in Paradise, or so they believe!
    You also get 80,000 servants, plus a pretty swanky palace.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
  • Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    Really? No attack I can recall had a hostage element and a suicide bomb element.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    For multiple Virgins in Paradise, or so they believe!
    You also get 80,000 servants, plus a pretty swanky palace.
    Well if you come from a terraced house in Bradford it may seem like a good deal
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    Some say that there were grenades.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    Not really unanswerable I should have thought, we have just had remembrance day when we remembered many thousands of people who did just that. We may have difficulty in understanding the cause of these terrorists but that is a different issue.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MikeDorning: *POLICE STORM PARIS' BATACLAN THEATER, LIBERATION REPORTS
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    For multiple Virgins in Paradise, or so they believe!
    You also get 80,000 servants, plus a pretty swanky palace.
    Well if you come from a terraced house in Bradford it may seem like a good deal
    Would all those virgins fit in a terraced house in Bradford?
  • RobD said:

    Scott_P said:

    scotslass said:

    crime is at a 41 year low

    No, it really isn't

    A senior police officer has rejected SNP claims that crime is at its lowest level in more than four decades.
    Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/senior-police-officer-attacks-snp-s-crime-claims-1-3947068#ixzz3rPP48Uec
    It's because the police are too incompetent to record crime, such as the M9 debacle ;)

    What crime was that?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Speedy said:

    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    Some say that there were grenades.
    Sky just played the explosion it was very very loud. Not sure how loud a grenade is but from inside the stadium this seemed to be larger. Initial reports did indicate grenades though so who knows?
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited November 2015
    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    Nothing new, this model of attack is well known to intelligence services. The big issues now are how do you extract 100 people from a theatre and find any runabouts. There are ways of dealing with theatre issue if a) the perpetrators are looking to create an extended event and/or b) do not get too much time or have the tools to prep.

    The French are looking at the building plans right now but any strikes prime window needs to be within 2 or so hours of the start or you are looking at an aim of holding events out for maybe 12-18 hours ideally then strike. Either is a stretch because the first requires a very rapid response and b) the latter leaves the actors a little too long to start shooting as they please.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    DefLepard were playing at the Theatre -Sky News
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    Some say that there were grenades.
    Sky just played the explosion it was very very loud. Not sure how loud a grenade is but from inside the stadium this seemed to be larger. Initial reports did indicate grenades though so who knows?
    The odd thing is the game continued for about 15 minutes after the explosion. Obviously it couldn't have been close to the action or the match would have been suspended immediately.
  • DefLepard were playing at the Theatre -Sky News

    They are in Japan.

    Is the Eagles of Death Metal at the Theatre.

    I had tickets to see the Eagles of Death Metal last Friday in Manchester.

    Jeez.
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  • This is apparently a pic of one of the explosions. It looks quite...large.

    https://twitter.com/Stuart_Hepburn/status/665291920340570112
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @AndyJS

    'Already more than twice as many as in the January attacks'


    Maybe Merkel can give us an estimate of how many thousands of additional ISIS & Al-Qaeda terrorists we now have in Europe since her open door mass immigration policy was imposed on Europe.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AndyJS said:

    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    Some say that there were grenades.
    Sky just played the explosion it was very very loud. Not sure how loud a grenade is but from inside the stadium this seemed to be larger. Initial reports did indicate grenades though so who knows?
    The odd thing is the game continued for about 15 minutes after the explosion. Obviously it couldn't have been close to the action or the match would have been suspended immediately.
    Well that bang was loud and seemed to be bigger not that I am any expert. I still think unless the explosion is at the stadium the best thing to do is to keep a game going and distract the crowd while you figure out what to do next. The French seemed to have done that and gained control very quickly and hopefully will safely move what is a very large crowd of people away to safety. The attackers are
    still at loose though..... Where is safety.

    Must be an absolute nightmare for the authorities.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    John_M said:

    HYUFD said:

    Moses_ said:

    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MilenaRodban: #FRAGER game at #StadedeFrance is over. An announcement has been made telling people to stay in their seats. No exit. #Paris #Parisattacks

    That sort of thing worries me because they could be targets for a second attack.
    Some of the attackers must still be out there somewhere. Can't understand some taking hostages though? What do they hope to achieve because they never ever do get what they want.
    The unanswerable question: why is somebody prepared to sacrifice their own life for a cause?

    For multiple Virgins in Paradise, or so they believe!
    You also get 80,000 servants, plus a pretty swanky palace.
    Well if you come from a terraced house in Bradford it may seem like a good deal
    Would all those virgins fit in a terraced house in Bradford?
    Good point, even with the number of family members they put in
  • Moses_ said:

    Y0kel said:

    If- if - there is a suicide bomb element to add to the hostage element, that seems strange.

    The nature of these attacks is entirely consistent. There is nothing new.
    The two explosions have already been confirmed as suicide bombers
    It seems odd that suicide terrorists would set their bombs off while all the crowd is inside the stadium, unless they went off prematurely or the security forces set them off prematurely. I've wondered before why sports events haven't been targeted by terrorists looking for a soft target given how many people are packed in close proximity, both on entry / exit, and inside the stadium.
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