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Carson now ahead of Trump in the RCP GOP nominee polling average
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  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    First.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Not first like Schumacher
  • "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Rubio has taken some of my money because he is looking to be the man that the establishment are going to back after Jeb has looked to run out of puff.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    edited November 2015
    FPT:

    F1: apparently Hamilton's attacked Schumacher:
    https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/661155711527854080

    Not classy.

    He's right though. Schumacher often exhibited a reckless ruthlessness on track that veered into hideousness (witness Hill and Villeneuve). But that was just on track. If the rumours are true, then his real mastery was in getting total dominance over the teams he was driving for, including both sides of the garage. At least until he (re)joined Mercedes and drove for them in F1.

    Hamilton's just not in the same league when it comes to mastery of the team.
    On the other hand, has Hamilton won a championship when not driving the best car, as Schumacher arguably did with Benetton?
    Yes in 2008, Ferrari had the better car.

    Hamilton's team mate finished seventh that season
    OK, fair point.

    Schumacher was still a far better driver at his peak than Hamilton is. His ability in the wet in particular was so far ahead of the field as to be absurd, and I'm sure I remember one race where he finished on the podium despite only having fifth gear?
    I think it was Spain 94 when Schumacher nursed the car home with limited gears. Undoubtedly Schumacher is one of the greatest of all time, but it's always difficult to compare drivers of different eras. I am fairly confident, however, that Hamilton is a superior to driver to Fernando Alonso as we got to see them in the same car at the same time.

    Edit: Trump being usurped was supposed to happen. But not by Carson, right?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572
    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Carson has a degree from Yale and was a neurosurgeon, Corbyn has no degree and has been a lifelong political hack. Having said that Trump still leads in New Hampshire and I still think he is more likely to be nominee than Carson, he certainly has the money to take him through the campaign
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Y0kel said:

    Rubio has taken some of my money because he is looking to be the man that the establishment are going to back after Jeb has looked to run out of puff.

    Jeb is starting to look like he has.
  • What a depressing thought if it ends up with either Trump or Carson vs Clinton or Sanders.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.

    Played them 3 times in the last 4 seasons at Allianz Arena

    W1 D1 L1

    Not really all that bad
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,535
    edited November 2015
    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    F1: apparently Hamilton's attacked Schumacher:
    https://twitter.com/JunaidSamodien_/status/661155711527854080

    Not classy.

    He's right though. Schumacher often exhibited a reckless ruthlessness on track that veered into hideousness (witness Hill and Villeneuve). But that was just on track. If the rumours are true, then his real mastery was in getting total dominance over the teams he was driving for, including both sides of the garage. At least until he (re)joined Mercedes and drove for them in F1.

    Hamilton's just not in the same league when it comes to mastery of the team.
    On the other hand, has Hamilton won a championship when not driving the best car, as Schumacher arguably did with Benetton?
    Yes in 2008, Ferrari had the better car.

    Hamilton's team mate finished seventh that season
    OK, fair point.

    Schumacher was still a far better driver at his peak than Hamilton is. His ability in the wet in particular was so far ahead of the field as to be absurd, and I'm sure I remember one race where he finished on the podium despite only having fifth gear?
    I think it was Spain 94 when Schumacher nursed the car home with limited gears. Undoubtedly Schumacher is one of the greatest of all time, but it's always difficult to compare drivers of different eras. I am fairly confident, however, that Hamilton is a superior to driver to Fernando Alonso as we got to see them in the same car at the same time.

    Edit: Trump being usurped was supposed to happen. But not by Carson, right?
    I think it was more recent than that: mid-2000s in his Ferrari years.

    Edit: From a quick Google, it seems I'm wrong.
  • isam said:

    "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.

    Played them 3 times in the last 4 seasons at Allianz Arena

    W1 D1 L1

    Not really all that bad
    Played them there in 2012, won the CL!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,534
    edited November 2015
    isam said:

    "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.

    Played them 3 times in the last 4 seasons at Allianz Arena

    W1 D1 L1

    Not really all that bad
    Tonight though was certainly one way traffic. I watched the first half (properly) and it was clear after 25-30 minutes it was just a matter of how many Bayern were going to rack up.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    isam said:

    "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.

    Played them 3 times in the last 4 seasons at Allianz Arena

    W1 D1 L1

    Not really all that bad
    Glad I gave Munich a miss this time! Olympiacos winning was rather annoying.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I wonder whether anyone has a 50/1 bet on Carson becoming POTUS?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Surely that's Arsenal out. Useless.
  • AndyJS said:

    I wonder whether anyone has a 50/1 bet on Carson becoming POTUS?

    do you?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2015
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    "Bayern score 5 goals on average per home game. Glad we made them look very average this evening #Arsenal #bbcfootball"

    From an Arsenal fan forum.

    Played them 3 times in the last 4 seasons at Allianz Arena

    W1 D1 L1

    Not really all that bad
    Glad I gave Munich a miss this time! Olympiacos winning was rather annoying.
    Yes that was definitely more important than our result... Last minute winner...filth!

    I just worked out that we should be about 4/1 to qualify and betfair is 4.6-5.1 so at least that's made me happy!

    The most annoying thing about tonight was I made Lewandowski a massive bet FGS and didn't hsve enough on
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Carson has a degree from Yale and was a neurosurgeon, Corbyn has no degree and has been a lifelong political hack. Having said that Trump still leads in New Hampshire and I still think he is more likely to be nominee than Carson, he certainly has the money to take him through the campaign
    Carson came from fairly modest background, via Yale to neurosurgery at John Hopkins. That is not an average medical career. He may be bonkers, but certainly not thick. Neurosurgeons are good at making decisions under pressure. He cannot do sums but I can see why he polls well.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    I wonder whether anyone has a 50/1 bet on Carson becoming POTUS?

    do you?
    No, I was thinking of a certain bet that was placed on Obama before the 2008 election.
  • Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Now is probably the ideal time to lay Carson. I just don't see the appeal. Yes, the religious-conservative thing plays well to a certain audience, and not a small one, but others can play those cards too the inexperience and inarticulacy are serious drawbacks. Now he's up in front he's there to be shot at, and three months is a long time to maintain a front-running position.

    Interesting that Trump's support looks pretty steady, as you say, at around 25%. His polling is somewhat reminiscent of Romney's last time, which hovered at around that kind of score while one bubble candidate after another challenged and was seen off. A quarter of the vote in a field this size is good going and there's scope to go higher as other candidates drop out.
  • AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I wonder whether anyone has a 50/1 bet on Carson becoming POTUS?

    do you?
    No, I was thinking of a certain bet that was placed on Obama before the 2008 election.
    Ah yes. You can still get 29 though.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    HYUFD said:

    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Carson has a degree from Yale and was a neurosurgeon, Corbyn has no degree and has been a lifelong political hack. Having said that Trump still leads in New Hampshire and I still think he is more likely to be nominee than Carson, he certainly has the money to take him through the campaign
    Carson came from fairly modest background, via Yale to neurosurgery at John Hopkins. That is not an average medical career. He may be bonkers, but certainly not thick. Neurosurgeons are good at making decisions under pressure. He cannot do sums but I can see why he polls well.
    Agree with that and I think he will win Iowa, though not the nomination
  • Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Now is probably the ideal time to lay Carson. I just don't see the appeal. Yes, the religious-conservative thing plays well to a certain audience, and not a small one, but others can play those cards too the inexperience and inarticulacy are serious drawbacks. Now he's up in front he's there to be shot at, and three months is a long time to maintain a front-running position.

    Interesting that Trump's support looks pretty steady, as you say, at around 25%. His polling is somewhat reminiscent of Romney's last time, which hovered at around that kind of score while one bubble candidate after another challenged and was seen off. A quarter of the vote in a field this size is good going and there's scope to go higher as other candidates drop out.
    Fiorina took Trump's vote and didn't give it back.

    A worrying sign for Trump... I have to say Carson is a hold for me.

    He's got his time in the sun; 11s or 12s seem fine with that.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2015
    Phil Hammond good on Newsnight. No more flights to Sharm.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    MaxPB said:

    Surely that's Arsenal out. Useless.

    Not definitely. The danger is Olympiacos don't lose in Munich - then we would be out, but hopefully Munich will take it seriously as they haven't yet won the group. We need to beat Zagreb at home and then win in Athens - by two goals or by one goal scoring at least 3/4 depending on goals difference/goals scored.
  • How big is the Russian military? Is 4000 (or as the article says probably going to expand to 8000) a significant number?
  • Revealed: letters Tom Watson exchanged with DPPs Alison Saunders and Sir Keir Starmer

    Mr Watson intervened on behalf of a friend, the wife of a Labour politician, demanding that “no further child protection cases” be given to a Crown Prosecution Service lawyer pending a review into his previous work

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tom-watson/11976154/Revealed-letters-Tom-Watson-exchanged-with-DPPs-Alison-Saunders-and-Sir-Keir-Starmer.html
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    How big is the Russian military? Is 4000 (or as the article says probably going to expand to 8000) a significant number?

    Yokel will probably know if he's around.
  • Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Now is probably the ideal time to lay Carson. I just don't see the appeal. Yes, the religious-conservative thing plays well to a certain audience, and not a small one, but others can play those cards too the inexperience and inarticulacy are serious drawbacks. Now he's up in front he's there to be shot at, and three months is a long time to maintain a front-running position.

    Interesting that Trump's support looks pretty steady, as you say, at around 25%. His polling is somewhat reminiscent of Romney's last time, which hovered at around that kind of score while one bubble candidate after another challenged and was seen off. A quarter of the vote in a field this size is good going and there's scope to go higher as other candidates drop out.
    Fiorina took Trump's vote and didn't give it back.

    A worrying sign for Trump... I have to say Carson is a hold for me.

    He's got his time in the sun; 11s or 12s seem fine with that.
    But after Fiorina took his vote, Trump has still held steady. In retrospect, it looks more like Trump over-performed against his core in September but has not really lost much, rather than that he has an endemic weakness.

    But we each get to make our calls!

    Anyway, that's me signing off for now. Night all!
  • Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Now is probably the ideal time to lay Carson. I just don't see the appeal. Yes, the religious-conservative thing plays well to a certain audience, and not a small one, but others can play those cards too the inexperience and inarticulacy are serious drawbacks. Now he's up in front he's there to be shot at, and three months is a long time to maintain a front-running position.

    Interesting that Trump's support looks pretty steady, as you say, at around 25%. His polling is somewhat reminiscent of Romney's last time, which hovered at around that kind of score while one bubble candidate after another challenged and was seen off. A quarter of the vote in a field this size is good going and there's scope to go higher as other candidates drop out.
    Fiorina took Trump's vote and didn't give it back.

    A worrying sign for Trump... I have to say Carson is a hold for me.

    He's got his time in the sun; 11s or 12s seem fine with that.
    But after Fiorina took his vote, Trump has still held steady. In retrospect, it looks more like Trump over-performed against his core in September but has not really lost much, rather than that he has an endemic weakness.

    But we each get to make our calls!

    Anyway, that's me signing off for now. Night all!
    Trump has nothing to worry about. He has no interest in becoming President of the United States of America. He is taking the entire country the political system and the media for an enormous ride. Well actually an unholy alliance between the media and Trump are taking everyone else for a ride. They are both in it for the money.
    The US political process is being taken for a mug.
  • Revealed: letters Tom Watson exchanged with DPPs Alison Saunders and Sir Keir Starmer

    Mr Watson intervened on behalf of a friend, the wife of a Labour politician, demanding that “no further child protection cases” be given to a Crown Prosecution Service lawyer pending a review into his previous work

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tom-watson/11976154/Revealed-letters-Tom-Watson-exchanged-with-DPPs-Alison-Saunders-and-Sir-Keir-Starmer.html

    Is this the same Kier Starmer who is tipped as next leader of the labour party?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited November 2015
    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.
  • If like me you believe that neither Donald Trump nor Ben Carson will stay the course, then who gets their early support?

    I suggest that Ted Cruz is well-placed for the firebrand vote that Donald Trump is getting. For that reason I'm not betting against him ( I am betting against Donald Trump).

    I'm less clear who gets the devout and sincere vote that Ben Carson is gathering. None of the other candidates seem to have a handle on what's motivating his supporters.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    He says much the same here

    http://youtu.be/tyakIYXvWos
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Now is probably the ideal time to lay Carson. I just don't see the appeal. Yes, the religious-conservative thing plays well to a certain audience, and not a small one, but others can play those cards too the inexperience and inarticulacy are serious drawbacks. Now he's up in front he's there to be shot at, and three months is a long time to maintain a front-running position.

    Interesting that Trump's support looks pretty steady, as you say, at around 25%. His polling is somewhat reminiscent of Romney's last time, which hovered at around that kind of score while one bubble candidate after another challenged and was seen off. A quarter of the vote in a field this size is good going and there's scope to go higher as other candidates drop out.
    Fiorina took Trump's vote and didn't give it back.

    A worrying sign for Trump... I have to say Carson is a hold for me.

    He's got his time in the sun; 11s or 12s seem fine with that.
    But after Fiorina took his vote, Trump has still held steady. In retrospect, it looks more like Trump over-performed against his core in September but has not really lost much, rather than that he has an endemic weakness.

    But we each get to make our calls!

    Anyway, that's me signing off for now. Night all!
    Trump has nothing to worry about. He has no interest in becoming President of the United States of America. He is taking the entire country the political system and the media for an enormous ride. Well actually an unholy alliance between the media and Trump are taking everyone else for a ride. They are both in it for the money.
    The US political process is being taken for a mug.
    Well he may well end up being the GOP nominee and then who knows what will happen, I expect Hillary would win but that is by no means certain
  • How big is the Russian military? Is 4000 (or as the article says probably going to expand to 8000) a significant number?

    It's an insignificant number.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    edited November 2015

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    Yes it certainly is well worth a read, link posted again below
    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/george-galloway-i-ve-always-fancied-being-mayor-and-next-year-i-finally-could-be-a3106411.html
  • On topic: The Carson and Bush odds are almost identical on Betfair at the moment: 10.5/11.0 to back, 12 to lay. Rubio is 2.7-2.74, Trump is 6.0-6.4.

    It's hard to make sense of any of this, but the obvious bet is to lay Rubio, and maybe also to lay Trump.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    I wonder whether anyone has a 50/1 bet on Carson becoming POTUS?

    do you?
    No, I was thinking of a certain bet that was placed on Obama before the 2008 election.
    Apparently.
  • Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    That causes a bit of a problem for Jeremy Corbyn. Is he going to disavow George Galloway?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    Fox GOP poll just released

    Trump – 26% (24)
    Carson – 23% (23)
    Cruz – 11% 10)
    Rubio – 11% (9)
    Bush – 4% (8)
    Kasich – 4% (1)
    Fiorina – 3% (5)
    Christie – 2% (1)
    Huckabee – 4% (5)
    Paul – 4% (3)
    Jindal – 0% (1)
    Santorum – 0% (0)
    Graham – 0% (0)
    Pataki – 0% (1)
    Gilmore – 0% (0)
    Undecided – 5% (7
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/11/04/fox-poll-gop-nomination-race-coming-into-focus/
  • antifrank said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    That causes a bit of a problem for Jeremy Corbyn. Is he going to disavow George Galloway?
    Or Sadiq Khan?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,344
    HYUFD said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    Yes it certainly is well worth a read, link posted again below
    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/george-galloway-i-ve-always-fancied-being-mayor-and-next-year-i-finally-could-be-a3106411.html
    Time for me to repost what I put on the previous thread.

    Ah yes: a man who by his own admission earns half a million quid a year, has a housekeeper, has bought the lease of a shop in Notting Hill and has been living off the public teat for decades with a pension the rest of us can only dream about claims to know what it is to worry about a job, a house, what the Tube or rent costs. The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.
  • Cyclefree said:

    The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.

    Indeed so, but business is business! If he's really going to stand and make an effort, that's could shaft Sadiq Khan.
  • HYUFD said:

    Trump seems to have established a core vote of 25%, so the real change is that Carson seems to have decisively broken out of the pack - however strange that seems to us on this side of the pond (he's very religious, very conservative, very inexperienced and rather inarticulate).

    He's got a good back story and he seems a nice chap - perhaps as with Corbyn the combination of views agreeable to the selectorate plus pleasantness makes for a winning formula?

    Carson has a degree from Yale and was a neurosurgeon, Corbyn has no degree and has been a lifelong political hack. Having said that Trump still leads in New Hampshire and I still think he is more likely to be nominee than Carson, he certainly has the money to take him through the campaign
    Carson came from fairly modest background, via Yale to neurosurgery at John Hopkins. That is not an average medical career. He may be bonkers, but certainly not thick. Neurosurgeons are good at making decisions under pressure. He cannot do sums but I can see why he polls well.
    Trump has not spent a penny (effectively) on his campaign. His sole purpose is to promote himself. He makes money by promoting and selling his name. The nomination process is a walking billboard for him.
    Heaven knows who the pseudo quasi political organisation known as The Republican Party will pick, good luck to them, but it might be nice to think they will select a half sane politician, semi capable of forming a government.
    Sadly their nomination process is more reminiscent of Strictly Come Dancing with far too many contestants emulating John Sergeant.
  • HYUFD said:

    Bush – 4% (8)

    Ouch.
  • antifrank said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    That causes a bit of a problem for Jeremy Corbyn. Is he going to disavow George Galloway?
    Or Sadiq Khan?
    I haven't adjusted properly to the new politics.
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    -----

    And twitter management look on sobbing into their soya lattes.
  • antifrank said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    That causes a bit of a problem for Jeremy Corbyn. Is he going to disavow George Galloway?
    Or himself?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,344

    Cyclefree said:

    The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.

    Indeed so, but business is business! If he's really going to stand and make an effort, that's could shaft Sadiq Khan.
    I want neither Galloway - with his nasty Hamas friends and his divisive identity politics - nor Sadiq Khan - with his nasty Cage friends and his divisive ethnic quotas - anywhere near London. I don't care that they'll tear chunks out of each other. They and Corbyn are all cut from the same cloth: the spiteful maliciousness of identity and class politics where individuals don't matter for their own sake but only to prove how much better one group is than another and how hateful the "other" is.

    It's the politics of hate not hope. And London deserves better. Britain deserves better.
  • @Cyclefree - TBH I think it's very unfair to bracket Sadiq Khan with Galloway, McDonnell and Corbyn.
  • Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    The Times is running a few stories this week defenestrating MacDonnell and his links with some obscure (to me) but nasty founder of the SWP. Galloway is in the same class.
    Dopy Corbyn has no class at all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    HYUFD said:

    Bush – 4% (8)

    Ouch.
    Yes, rumour is if he puts in another mediocre performance in next week's debate and his poll ratings remain low he will pull out before Christmas
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited November 2015

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    The tale about being offered £3000 for his hat said it all. Hopefully Galloway will cost Khan a few votes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    Yes it certainly is well worth a read, link posted again below
    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/george-galloway-i-ve-always-fancied-being-mayor-and-next-year-i-finally-could-be-a3106411.html
    Time for me to repost what I put on the previous thread.

    Ah yes: a man who by his own admission earns half a million quid a year, has a housekeeper, has bought the lease of a shop in Notting Hill and has been living off the public teat for decades with a pension the rest of us can only dream about claims to know what it is to worry about a job, a house, what the Tube or rent costs. The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.
    Although Galloway seems keen to point out he was born in an attic in Glasgow with one shared outside loo
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,531
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    Yes it certainly is well worth a read, link posted again below
    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/george-galloway-i-ve-always-fancied-being-mayor-and-next-year-i-finally-could-be-a3106411.html
    Time for me to repost what I put on the previous thread.

    Ah yes: a man who by his own admission earns half a million quid a year, has a housekeeper, has bought the lease of a shop in Notting Hill and has been living off the public teat for decades with a pension the rest of us can only dream about claims to know what it is to worry about a job, a house, what the Tube or rent costs. The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.
    Although Galloway seems keen to point out he was born in an attic in Glasgow with one shared outside loo
    Galloway will never have said any such thing , he was from Dundee.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    CNN and Fox News are reporting that it looks like a bomb in luggage may have brought down the Russian plane in Sinai
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,344

    @Cyclefree - TBH I think it's very unfair to bracket Sadiq Khan with Galloway, McDonnell and Corbyn.

    He has a convicted terrorist - Babar Ahmed - as a friend and has spoken at platforms shared with Cage. He supports ethnic quotas. He thinks our foreign policy should not needlessly inflame Pakistani youths in case they try and blow us up and he was worried that attempts to deal with Islamist infiltration in schools might put Muslims off entering public life, thus implicitly and - to my mind - insultingly equating Muslims with Islamists.

    A man who thinks that it is ok to share a platform with Cage is a man who lacks judgment and some basic moral sense.

    He may be marginally better than McDonnell on the basis that in the land of the blind the on-eyed man is king but, frankly, all that shows is the appallingly low standards which pertain in today's Labour Party.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.
  • Cyclefree said:

    The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.

    Indeed so, but business is business! If he's really going to stand and make an effort, that's could shaft Sadiq Khan.
    Wonder how many of the Three Pound Army might be tempted into action as Georgian footsoldiers.

    My guess: low, unless "online footsoldiering" counts. Tweet for your life!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    HYUFD said:

    Off-topic, but important for London mayoral betting: I'd recommend that anyone who missed the Galloway interview in the Standard (see link posted by HYUFD near the end of the previous thread) should un-miss it. Hard to tell how much is bluster, but he's never been a shy retiring violet; he's gunning for Sadiq Khan and claiming to be the true Corbyn candidate.

    Yes it certainly is well worth a read, link posted again below
    http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/george-galloway-i-ve-always-fancied-being-mayor-and-next-year-i-finally-could-be-a3106411.html
    Time for me to repost what I put on the previous thread.

    Ah yes: a man who by his own admission earns half a million quid a year, has a housekeeper, has bought the lease of a shop in Notting Hill and has been living off the public teat for decades with a pension the rest of us can only dream about claims to know what it is to worry about a job, a house, what the Tube or rent costs. The man is a despicable shit who should never be seen or heard of again.
    Although Galloway seems keen to point out he was born in an attic in Glasgow with one shared outside loo
    Galloway will never have said any such thing , he was from Dundee.
    I will take your word for it, not that there is a vast difference between the two, night
  • Tremendous explainer as to why Rubio is likely to win (or, at least, why it won't be Carson):

    Look at where the Republican Party lives: Only 11 of 54 GOP senators and 26 of 247 GOP representatives hail from Obama-won locales, but there are 1,247 delegates at stake in Obama-won states, compared with just 1,166 in Romney states.

    [...]

    For example, three delegates are up for grabs in New York’s heavily Latino, Bronx-based 15th District, which cast just 5,315 votes for Romney in 2012. But there are also three delegates at stake in Alabama’s 6th District, which covers Birmingham’s whitest suburbs and gave Romney 233,803 votes. In other words, a GOP primary vote cast in the bluest part of the Bronx could be worth 43 times more than a vote cast in the reddest part of Alabama.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-primary-rules-might-doom-carson-and-cruz/
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Tim_B said:

    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.

    And yet general opinion as aggregated by the market is that the Democrats are evens - or even more likely - to hold the White House.

    It seems that Republicans can win every single election except the presidency.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059

    Tremendous explainer as to why Rubio is likely to win (or, at least, why it won't be Carson):

    Look at where the Republican Party lives: Only 11 of 54 GOP senators and 26 of 247 GOP representatives hail from Obama-won locales, but there are 1,247 delegates at stake in Obama-won states, compared with just 1,166 in Romney states.

    [...]

    For example, three delegates are up for grabs in New York’s heavily Latino, Bronx-based 15th District, which cast just 5,315 votes for Romney in 2012. But there are also three delegates at stake in Alabama’s 6th District, which covers Birmingham’s whitest suburbs and gave Romney 233,803 votes. In other words, a GOP primary vote cast in the bluest part of the Bronx could be worth 43 times more than a vote cast in the reddest part of Alabama.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-primary-rules-might-doom-carson-and-cruz/

    Momentum is still key, if Rubio does not come first or second in Iowa or NH he is over
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Cyclefree said:

    @Cyclefree - TBH I think it's very unfair to bracket Sadiq Khan with Galloway, McDonnell and Corbyn.

    He has a convicted terrorist - Babar Ahmed - as a friend and has spoken at platforms shared with Cage. He supports ethnic quotas. He thinks our foreign policy should not needlessly inflame Pakistani youths in case they try and blow us up and he was worried that attempts to deal with Islamist infiltration in schools might put Muslims off entering public life, thus implicitly and - to my mind - insultingly equating Muslims with Islamists.

    A man who thinks that it is ok to share a platform with Cage is a man who lacks judgment and some basic moral sense.

    He may be marginally better than McDonnell on the basis that in the land of the blind the on-eyed man is king but, frankly, all that shows is the appallingly low standards which pertain in today's Labour Party.
    I agree that British foreign policy shouldn't needlessly inflame youths who are trying to blow Britain up, does this make me an ethnic Islamic fascist?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    edited November 2015
    Tim_B said:

    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.

    Same for George W Bush, same for Clinton, same for Bush Snr, same for Reagan, almost all presidents see their party lose state offices and Congressional seats

    Obama's approval rating today at 47% is above George W Bush's 32% at this stage of his presidency but below Bill Clinton's 59%, what is the surname of the likely Democratic candidate again?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    How big is the Russian military? Is 4000 (or as the article says probably going to expand to 8000) a significant number?

    The Military Balance tends to be the authoritative open source reference for such matters (International Institute for Strategic Studies).

    Active 770,000, reserves 2 million. So 4 or 8k is a drop in the bucket in relation to the whole. But it is the body bag statistic that matters, not the number on duty.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Tremendous explainer as to why Rubio is likely to win (or, at least, why it won't be Carson):

    Look at where the Republican Party lives: Only 11 of 54 GOP senators and 26 of 247 GOP representatives hail from Obama-won locales, but there are 1,247 delegates at stake in Obama-won states, compared with just 1,166 in Romney states.

    [...]

    For example, three delegates are up for grabs in New York’s heavily Latino, Bronx-based 15th District, which cast just 5,315 votes for Romney in 2012. But there are also three delegates at stake in Alabama’s 6th District, which covers Birmingham’s whitest suburbs and gave Romney 233,803 votes. In other words, a GOP primary vote cast in the bluest part of the Bronx could be worth 43 times more than a vote cast in the reddest part of Alabama.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-primary-rules-might-doom-carson-and-cruz/

    I don't quite understand this - for most states, delegates are not apportioned by District votes but by the result of the State-wide count. In 2012, the three delegates in NY15 weren't decided by the 5315 votes cast in that district, but by the nearly 14 million votes that were cast in the state, with the winner taking all of the delegates from all of the districts.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.

    Same for George W Bush, same for Clinton, same for Bush Snr, same for Reagan, almost all presidents see their party lose state offices and Congressional seats

    Obama's approval rating today at 47% is above George W Bush's 32% at this stage of his presidency but below Bill Clinton's 59%, what is the surname of the likely Democratic candidate again?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
    Can't be bothered to do the research, but I've seen it reported that no President in the last century at least has seen his party lose as much ground across Federal and State representation as Obama has.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited November 2015
    With the Fox poll in, Carson leads Trump by 0.2% on the RCP average, first time Trump loses the lead there in 109 days, however I say that presently their even at around 25% each.
    Trump and Carson still have 50% of the votes, double or more the combined second tier of Rubio and Cruz, with Bush crashing at the also-ran candidate levels I can't see how Rubio can move upwards unless the other establishment candidates drop out and give their 2-3% to Rubio, but that has to happen before the primaries start or it will be too late.

    For that look at Christie, he won't be on the next debate because he has fallen bellow the polling threshold, he only has 2% though that he can give to Rubio and his gap with Trump and Carson is about 13%. Christie though might be too selfish to drop out before Iowa or N.Hampshire.

    As for the others, Kasich has a lean campaign machine and has stacked everything on N.Hampshire, since he polls there around 10% he won't drop out before it, and Bush will still be there as long as he has the money.

    My advice is (and it's good advice so far with the GOP race having predicted the rise of Trump and Carson many many months before, and the crash of Bush, Christie, Kasich and Fiorina since the beginning of this race):
    1. Forget about what the mainstream media says and think like a UKIP voter (which is the closest equivalent to a Republican voter), who would you choose as your candidate?
    2. Think like a stereotypical countryside american that you see on some weird shows (couch potatoes with guns and bibles), who would you choose as your candidate?
    3. Look at the early state polls first, the national picture can be misleading since most campaigns throw everything at Iowa and N.H. not nationally, and the early primary results set the theme and the momentum.
    4. Having a good resume counts for nothing in the public spotlight, having good acting skills is the key.

    In my opinion this is a race between Trump and Carson, or you could say between blue collar workers and evangelicals.
    Goodnight.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    edited November 2015
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.

    Same for George W Bush, same for Clinton, same for Bush Snr, same for Reagan, almost all presidents see their party lose state offices and Congressional seats

    Obama's approval rating today at 47% is above George W Bush's 32% at this stage of his presidency but below Bill Clinton's 59%, what is the surname of the likely Democratic candidate again?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
    Can't be bothered to do the research, but I've seen it reported that no President in the last century at least has seen his party lose as much ground across Federal and State representation as Obama has.
    Maybe, but then Obama was starting from a very high base after the Republicans were trounced in 2006 and 2008. In any case state and mid term elections have little resemblance to subsequent presidential elections otherwise Bob Dole and Mitt Romney would have won landslide election victories and Michael Dukakis would have been the 41st president! Night
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Case in point as to why you should follow my advice regarding the GOP race:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-pyramids

    Now here is Carson saying that he doesn't believe aliens build the pyramids because Joseph did to store grain.
    Normally this statement would disqualify Carson from european politics at least, but in america and in particular the republican party I wouldn't be surprised if the majority thought that dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah or that the world was created 5000 years ago.
    So Carson's position is within conservative american norms.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    MTimT said:

    How big is the Russian military? Is 4000 (or as the article says probably going to expand to 8000) a significant number?

    The Military Balance tends to be the authoritative open source reference for such matters (International Institute for Strategic Studies).

    Active 770,000, reserves 2 million. So 4 or 8k is a drop in the bucket in relation to the whole. But it is the body bag statistic that matters, not the number on duty.
    Yes and no. They have maybe 4000 (a mix of ground-largely Naval Infantry-and air force personnel) and 30 active combat aircraft (not including choppers) in Syria but the Russian military's true expeditionary war fighting capability (i.e.beyond the reach of contact with its own border) as in Syria is a mere fraction of its fighting forces. Probably in the 25k range combined air and land.

    I mentioned plenty a thread back that putting 30 fighting aircraft there was a bit of a stretch. They could put more ground forces in ok but I cant see them double their airforce firepower and maintain a high tempo operation for very long.

    In addition there appear to be 'volunteers' of some kind on the front lines. I'm not sure they are PMCs (or mercenaries to you and me) involved in putting those guys as they did for a bit in Eastern Ukraine before their effectiveness wasn't good enough and the Russian militarily got much more directly involved.

    In comparison, the Americans could stick 100 000 in Afghanistan, the British 8-9000 for sustained high tempo operations over a period of years very far from home.

    One note before bedtime on the Russian airliner FPT. Someone asked what the UK government knew about the airliner crash that they were not saying. I mentioned that the UK government had signals intelligence 'chatter' suggesting a possible link to a 3rd party being involved in the aircraft going down.

    Lo and behold, unnamed US officials now suggest that comms intercepts give rise to that suspicion.

    In reality the intercepts in question are no smoking gun, but do relate.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Speedy said:

    Case in point as to why you should follow my advice regarding the GOP race:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-pyramids

    Now here is Carson saying that he doesn't believe aliens build the pyramids because Joseph did to store grain.
    Normally this statement would disqualify Carson from european politics at least, but in america and in particular the republican party I wouldn't be surprised if the majority thought that dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah or that the world was created 5000 years ago.
    So Carson's position is within conservative american norms.

    This bullshit caricature of the US, particularly republicans shows ignorance alright, the ignorance of so called sophisticates on this side of the Atlantic.

    That there is a stronger religious thread in the US than in Western Europe doesn't count for much politically in reality. Look at the last sets of Presidential elections and end candidates competing for the top job. Not one of them could be described as a religious nutbag, not one. If the masses, the majority as you call them, were all fundamentalists then you'd have a religious nutbag in the White House.

    You don't and you haven't because the masses are not.




  • Speedy said:

    Case in point as to why you should follow my advice regarding the GOP race:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-pyramids

    Now here is Carson saying that he doesn't believe aliens build the pyramids because Joseph did to store grain.
    Normally this statement would disqualify Carson from european politics at least, but in america and in particular the republican party I wouldn't be surprised if the majority thought that dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah or that the world was created 5000 years ago.
    So Carson's position is within conservative american norms.

    Wow. Carson just lost the Aliens-Built-The-Pyramids Truther movement right there. What's next?
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    An interesting stat - it's well established in polls that about 2/3 of the populace think the country is headed in the wrong direction under Obama.

    Since Obama became POTUS the Democrats have lost a net 14 US Senate seats, 69 US House seats, 12 governorships and 910 state legislature seats.

    Same for George W Bush, same for Clinton, same for Bush Snr, same for Reagan, almost all presidents see their party lose state offices and Congressional seats

    Obama's approval rating today at 47% is above George W Bush's 32% at this stage of his presidency but below Bill Clinton's 59%, what is the surname of the likely Democratic candidate again?
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx
    Can't be bothered to do the research, but I've seen it reported that no President in the last century at least has seen his party lose as much ground across Federal and State representation as Obama has.
    That was because he had such strong wins there in 2008 though. Much more room to fall.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    EPG said:

    Cyclefree said:

    @Cyclefree - TBH I think it's very unfair to bracket Sadiq Khan with Galloway, McDonnell and Corbyn.

    He has a convicted terrorist - Babar Ahmed - as a friend and has spoken at platforms shared with Cage. He supports ethnic quotas. He thinks our foreign policy should not needlessly inflame Pakistani youths in case they try and blow us up and he was worried that attempts to deal with Islamist infiltration in schools might put Muslims off entering public life, thus implicitly and - to my mind - insultingly equating Muslims with Islamists.

    A man who thinks that it is ok to share a platform with Cage is a man who lacks judgment and some basic moral sense.

    He may be marginally better than McDonnell on the basis that in the land of the blind the on-eyed man is king but, frankly, all that shows is the appallingly low standards which pertain in today's Labour Party.
    I agree that British foreign policy shouldn't needlessly inflame youths who are trying to blow Britain up, does this make me an ethnic Islamic fascist?
    Do you also hang around with Islamists and call them friends?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Y0kel said:

    Speedy said:

    Case in point as to why you should follow my advice regarding the GOP race:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-pyramids

    Now here is Carson saying that he doesn't believe aliens build the pyramids because Joseph did to store grain.
    Normally this statement would disqualify Carson from european politics at least, but in america and in particular the republican party I wouldn't be surprised if the majority thought that dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah or that the world was created 5000 years ago.
    So Carson's position is within conservative american norms.

    This bullshit caricature of the US, particularly republicans shows ignorance alright, the ignorance of so called sophisticates on this side of the Atlantic.

    That there is a stronger religious thread in the US than in Western Europe doesn't count for much politically in reality. Look at the last sets of Presidential elections and end candidates competing for the top job. Not one of them could be described as a religious nutbag, not one. If the masses, the majority as you call them, were all fundamentalists then you'd have a religious nutbag in the White House.

    You don't and you haven't because the masses are not.




    Well said, Yokel. I've given up taking on the sneering European takes on American society. Where this sense of superiority comes from escapes me. Which country dominates Nobel prizes, modern culture, economics and military? And they are able to do that because they are gun-toting, single-toothed, couch potato, anti-science religious zealots? I think not. But hey, why let that get in the way of pontificating on how stupid Americans are?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    FPT:

    Cyclefree said:

    But when the data is released to someone who needs it, where is that going to be stored? And when it is shared with other people, again, where will it be stored? The minute it moves from your secure supervised server it is vulnerable. A control is only as good as its weakest point.

    You don't even need to hack it to get it. You find someone within the organisation who has some weakness and you exploit that to get hold of the information. That's why criminal gangs target the control rooms and print rooms and other unglamorous bits of banks and anywhere where there is valuable information.

    The vast majority of people in these organisations are not vetted at all. There is your main control weakness right there.

    But that's no different to any other information held by the police, fraud investigators etc.
    Sorry but this is horse shit of gigantic proportions. At the moment the police and fraud investigators have access to information they hold in respect of persons related to enquiries they are conducting. The new regulation require ISPs to collect information on EVERYONE using their service, and hold it for a year, its a several order of magnitudes larger risk of privacy, especially to people that otherwise would in no way come to the notice of the authorities. Imagine a major ISP was hacked and a listing put up online of all the people that accessed RedTube, or AshleyMadison or Divorce.co.uk within the last year, never mind the inferences that could be drawn from intersecting those groups.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited November 2015
    Sky News breaking

    Russia sends missile systems to Syria "to prevent hijacking of its jets"

    Huh? Something does not quite add up in that report from Sky. How does a missile system stop a hijack.... . (Except permanently of course). Mmmmmm.....

    Edit- British Government advises against all but essential travel to Egypt.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    MTimT said:

    Y0kel said:

    Speedy said:

    Case in point as to why you should follow my advice regarding the GOP race:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-pyramids

    Now here is Carson saying that he doesn't believe aliens build the pyramids because Joseph did to store grain.
    Normally this statement would disqualify Carson from european politics at least, but in america and in particular the republican party I wouldn't be surprised if the majority thought that dinosaurs existed at the time of Noah or that the world was created 5000 years ago.
    So Carson's position is within conservative american norms.

    This bullshit caricature of the US, particularly republicans shows ignorance alright, the ignorance of so called sophisticates on this side of the Atlantic.

    That there is a stronger religious thread in the US than in Western Europe doesn't count for much politically in reality. Look at the last sets of Presidential elections and end candidates competing for the top job. Not one of them could be described as a religious nutbag, not one. If the masses, the majority as you call them, were all fundamentalists then you'd have a religious nutbag in the White House.

    You don't and you haven't because the masses are not.
    Well said, Yokel. I've given up taking on the sneering European takes on American society. Where this sense of superiority comes from escapes me. Which country dominates Nobel prizes, modern culture, economics and military? And they are able to do that because they are gun-toting, single-toothed, couch potato, anti-science religious zealots? I think not. But hey, why let that get in the way of pontificating on how stupid Americans are?
    The United States is about 20% richer than the UK on a per capita basis. They must be doing something right.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,535
    Moses_ said:

    Sky News breaking

    Russia sends missile systems to Syria "to prevent hijacking of its jets"

    Huh? Something does not quite add up in that report from Sky. How does a missile system stop a hijack.... . (Except permanently of course). Mmmmmm.....

    Edit- British Government advises against all but essential travel to Egypt.

    Sounds like an excuse to do something they want to do for other reasons.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    More misleading reporting from the BBC:

    "With Hungary, Croatia, and Slovenia closing all or parts of their borders, bottlenecks have left many stranded at ill-prepared crossing points, exposed to the elements and short of vital supplies."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34571236

    Of course, they're not stranded at all. They are plenty capable of returning back to where they came from.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited November 2015
    JEO said:

    Of course, they're not stranded at all. They are plenty capable of returning back to where they came from.

    Nothing new there, the BBC Worldwide report last night was a disgrace. Plenty of close ups of women and children, and yet in the long shots you were hard pressed to see ANY women or children, just hundreds of military aged young men.

    They increasingly seem to be trying to set up shots to that long shots are out of focus with the correspondent bleeding all over us in the foreground.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    edited November 2015
    Morning all. Hope no-one was expecting a close match in the cricket. Eng 60/6 after half an hour this morning. :open_mouth:
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Moses_ said:

    Sky News breaking

    Russia sends missile systems to Syria "to prevent hijacking of its jets"

    Huh? Something does not quite add up in that report from Sky. How does a missile system stop a hijack.... . (Except permanently of course). Mmmmmm.....

    Edit- British Government advises against all but essential travel to Egypt.

    Shoot them down before they are technically hijacked? :p
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
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    England's batting = Labour's ground game.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046

    England's batting = Labour's ground game.

    Don't be so mean about Labour's ground game. :wink:
  • Oh look, an abuse by the State of surveillance powers that no-one knew about. Even within Mi5.

    What were those reassurances we heard yesterday?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34729139
  • Sandpit said:

    England's batting = Labour's ground game.

    Don't be so mean about Labour's ground game. :wink:
    With the exception of Cook and Root England's batting is all fart and no follow through.

    We're going to get hammered by the Saffers. Dale Steyn versus this team is going to be like Caesar taking on Hannibal.

    A proper ass whooping for England/Hannibal
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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046

    Sandpit said:

    England's batting = Labour's ground game.

    Don't be so mean about Labour's ground game. :wink:
    With the exception of Cook and Root England's batting is all fart and no follow through.

    We're going to get hammered by the Saffers. Dale Steyn versus this team is going to be like Caesar taking on Hannibal.

    A proper ass whooping for England/Hannibal
    24 hours in the life of an England cricket fan - this time yesterday I was royally peeved off that an inconveniently rescheduled meeting meant I couldn't go to the final day. Well I'm off to work now and don't give a crap that I'm not at the cricket!!
  • MTimT said:

    Tremendous explainer as to why Rubio is likely to win (or, at least, why it won't be Carson):

    Look at where the Republican Party lives: Only 11 of 54 GOP senators and 26 of 247 GOP representatives hail from Obama-won locales, but there are 1,247 delegates at stake in Obama-won states, compared with just 1,166 in Romney states.

    [...]

    For example, three delegates are up for grabs in New York’s heavily Latino, Bronx-based 15th District, which cast just 5,315 votes for Romney in 2012. But there are also three delegates at stake in Alabama’s 6th District, which covers Birmingham’s whitest suburbs and gave Romney 233,803 votes. In other words, a GOP primary vote cast in the bluest part of the Bronx could be worth 43 times more than a vote cast in the reddest part of Alabama.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-primary-rules-might-doom-carson-and-cruz/

    I don't quite understand this - for most states, delegates are not apportioned by District votes but by the result of the State-wide count. In 2012, the three delegates in NY15 weren't decided by the 5315 votes cast in that district, but by the nearly 14 million votes that were cast in the state, with the winner taking all of the delegates from all of the districts.
    Morning all,

    This is an interesting debate. I'd certainly not thought much about blue state GOP primary votes before reading these articles.

    Looking at the FrontLoading blog map, it appears that 26% of delegates are allocated proportionally; 16% winner takes all; and the rest some kind of hybrid (or a handful at the convention).

    The key might be in the details of the hybrid.

    http://frontloading.blogspot.co.uk/p/2016-republican-delegate-allocation-by.html
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