The problem with student politics is that some of them go straight into proper politics without doing much else or changing one bit.
Notable that the Israelis have clearly decided that their security zone regarding Syria isn't just around and about the Golan. They've reportedly bombed missile stores to the North of Damascus this evening.
Wondering where the mighty Russian airpower was.
Aren't the Russians and Israelis deconflicting? I thought that I read that they were. It is a strange war, where all the outside powers are attacking everyone else's proxies and being allowed to do so without interference from the other sponsors.
BTW do they have the death penalty on The Rock? (aside from events there in 1988, natch)
Now that's a more interesting question. It was abolished in 2002 along with all other British Overseas Territories.
Gibraltar's last hanging for murder was of Ernest Opisso on 3 July 1931. He was executed for the murder of his employer in the flat above her shop where they both worked.
Two Spaniards from La Línea recruited by the German intelligence service, the Abwehr, Luis López Cordón Cuenca (23) and José Martín Muñoz (19), were hanged on 11 January 1944. The hangings were carried out by Albert Pierrepoint, who had travelled undercover to Gibraltar to carry out the executions.
The last sentence of death in Gib was passed and commuted in 1952.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
I believe I haven't defined my position on State Murd..., um, I mean the death penalty on PB before!
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
I believe I haven't defined my position on State Murd..., um, I mean the death penalty on PB before!
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
I'm sorry to hear your story Geoff but by and large the state does protect us from guns. The number of gun deaths in the UK is only 40 or so IIRC. Maybe less. Comparing it to zero isn't really fair, you should be comparing to how many gun deaths we'd have anyway.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
Change what record? I believe I haven't defined my position on State Murd..., um, I mean the death penalty on PB before!
Out of interest, do you happen to know which parliament has the largest 2nd chamber? Bonus points if you have a graph!
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
Change what record? I believe I haven't defined my position on State Murd..., um, I mean the death penalty on PB before!
Out of interest, do you happen to know which parliament has the largest 2nd chamber? Bonus points if you have a graph!
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
snip
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
Change what record? I believe I haven't defined my position on State Murd..., um, I mean the death penalty on PB before!
Out of interest, do you happen to know which parliament has the largest 2nd chamber? Bonus points if you have a graph!
At the Mexican grand prix the podium winners have just been given sombreros to wear by the organisers and yet the University of East Anglia (who know so much better) banned them as being "racist".
Western 'society' deserves everything it gets now we've surrendered so completely to the lefty hand-wringer brigade.
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Norwich is A Fine City.
It has a fine football club with fine supporters including myself and Mr Yvette Cooper.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
I've always been anti and would quite happily take the vote away from people who are pro death penalty.
Is the reason why I could never vote for Priti Patel as Tory leader.
Let's have a referendum on the death penalty I say.
A couple of thoughts about the US death penalty.
The primary reason I hear from Americans who support it, (otherwise than the religious nonsense), is that it's cheaper than locking them up for life without parole. Unfortunately it isn't - putting someone in Death Row for 10-20 years is horrendously more expensive than incarcerating a lifer. I've seen the figures. The religious folks who believe all life is sacred are pro capital punishment. How illogical is that?
Someone mentioned DNA testing, which is about as bullet proof as evidence gets today. Prosecutors often will deny convicted death row inmates requests for DNA testing for various reasons, one being they don't like to be shown to be wrong, or that the justice system is fallible. Also in some states there are limits on how long after conviction new evidence can be introduced. In Texas it used to be 30 days, but I believe they've updated it since then.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
snip
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
I've always been anti and would quite happily take the vote away from people who are pro death penalty.
Is the reason why I could never vote for Priti Patel as Tory leader.
Let's have a referendum on the death penalty I say.
I think that there are certain criminals who being sent out of this world would leave it a better place. I was disgusted when the Soham murderer tried to commit suicide and the prison authorities stopped him. However society is very different now than it was in the early sixties, when the last two were hanged.
Leave aside the possibility of an innocent person being hanged. Forget for a moment the dreadful media circus that would attend every capital case. Just think about how today's public would react to the lottery of death. When we had the death penalty only some, a minority, sentenced to die actually went to the gallows. Why some and not others was never disclosed and it certainly had no connection to the severity, if that is the right word, of the murder they committed. Sid Darnley, an assistant hangman in the 1950s, suggested in his memoirs that they were spread about the country so that each area had one or two a year.
The death penalty belongs to the past; a simpler time, perhaps a better time in many ways but a time gone nontheless.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
I've always been anti and would quite happily take the vote away from people who are pro death penalty.
Is the reason why I could never vote for Priti Patel as Tory leader.
Let's have a referendum on the death penalty I say.
A couple of thoughts about the US death penalty.
The primary reason I hear from Americans who support it, (otherwise than the religious nonsense), is that it's cheaper than locking them up for life without parole. Unfortunately it isn't - putting someone in Death Row for 10-20 years is horrendously more expensive than incarcerating a lifer. I've seen the figures. The religious folks who believe all life is sacred are pro capital punishment. How illogical is that?
Someone mentioned DNA testing, which is about as bullet proof as evidence gets today. Prosecutors often will deny convicted death row inmates requests for DNA testing for various reasons, one being they don't like to be shown to be wrong, or that the justice system is fallible. Also in some states there are limits on how long after conviction new evidence can be introduced. In Texas it used to be 30 days, but I believe they've updated it since then.
At the Mexican grand prix the podium winners have just been given sombreros to wear by the organisers and yet the University of East Anglia (who know so much better) banned them as being "racist".
Western 'society' deserves everything it gets now we've surrendered so completely to the lefty hand-wringer brigade.
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
snip
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
I'm sorry to hear your story Geoff but by and large the state does protect us from guns. The number of gun deaths in the UK is only 40 or so IIRC. Maybe less. Comparing it to zero isn't really fair, you should be comparing to how many gun deaths we'd have anyway.
I was talking about the ability for someone to defend themselves from overwhelming force and I shouldn't have muddied the waters by specifically referring to being able to carry a gun for self-defence. I should have been more vague. A taser, mace, insert anything in there instead.
The crux of my point was that there was no deterrence before the event or equal retribution afterwards. My point should have been clearer that in the absence of being allowed to defend oneself the State promises to do that for you. When they fail to do that, you'd think they would at least hang the bastard concerned to cover up their failure.
Anyway, with apologies, enough on this. I shouldn't have bitten.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
I've always been anti and would quite happily take the vote away from people who are pro death penalty.
Is the reason why I could never vote for Priti Patel as Tory leader.
Let's have a referendum on the death penalty I say.
A couple of thoughts about the US death penalty.
The primary reason I hear from Americans who support it, (otherwise than the religious nonsense), is that it's cheaper than locking them up for life without parole. Unfortunately it isn't - putting someone in Death Row for 10-20 years is horrendously more expensive than incarcerating a lifer. I've seen the figures. The religious folks who believe all life is sacred are pro capital punishment. How illogical is that?
Someone mentioned DNA testing, which is about as bullet proof as evidence gets today. Prosecutors often will deny convicted death row inmates requests for DNA testing for various reasons, one being they don't like to be shown to be wrong, or that the justice system is fallible. Also in some states there are limits on how long after conviction new evidence can be introduced. In Texas it used to be 30 days, but I believe they've updated it since then.
And DNA testing is by no means bullet proof. The theory of course is sound under lab conditions but the actual practice, the use of partial or mixed DNA matches without explaining this to Juries and a considerable number of points in the system where errors can occur mean that DNA evidence is certainly not as conclusive as people like to believe.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
I didn't get that YouGov, so they lost one pro-death penalty vote there.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
For my part, I was very close to someone who suffered in a situation where she might have lived if she'd been allowed to carry a gun for self defence. That shapes my views on gun control and how in areas where guns are criminalised, only criminals carry guns.
The State refuses to let us defend ourselves. The State says that it will defend us. It cannot and does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
I'm sorry to hear your story Geoff but by and large the state does protect us from guns. The number of gun deaths in the UK is only 40 or so IIRC. Maybe less. Comparing it to zero isn't really fair, you should be comparing to how many gun deaths we'd have anyway.
It is easy to list hypothetical like this, and if the ONLY change was to make guns available to the law and law abiding citizens then it would be a good move. However giving guns to citizens raises the criminals risk of encountering a gun, and thus makes them MUCH more likely to also want to carry a gun, and use it in case someone else does so first. It just causes escalation of arms really. It's the unintended consequences that need to be considered.
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
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Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
Is there anywhere else in the UK that Trident could feasibly be moved to?
I'm in favour of keeping it, but it does seem a bit bad to force the Scots to house it if they really are overwhelmingly against.
Devonport? It could certainly deal with the submarines without any problem though new facilities would have to be built for the missile end of the business but that is true wherever you move to.
Of course there would be a lot of screaming and shouting from the usual suspects but nuclear weapons have been stored down there before and there is not a lot of fuss about such things in Berkshire where they are actually made.
Hmm. Not sure this will have much mileage. The poll they are questioning was from 2013.
I'm more interested about that pirate radio story, looking at it most young people in London listen to pirate radio stations. There are only 16 licensed radio stations (4 of them are BBC ones) on FM in London when the FM band can hold 41 stations, so obviously regulations are withholding supply so a black market of sorts has appeared on broadcasting.
I can't understand why Britain (and most of europe) is always so restrictive on the number of TV and radio stations, before Freeview you only had 5 TV channels and only one of them private when the UHF band could hold 48.
YouGov: Do you think it was a good thing the death penalty was abolished in Britain?
Yes - 42% No - 42% Don't Know - 16
YouGov, August 2014: % in favour of re-introducing the death penalty by Party
UKIP - 73% CON - 54% LAB - 35% LD - 35%
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Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
snip
Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
Answer the question, dammit. Prior to tonight, when did I last discuss the death penalty on PB? If you can't answer, just say so.
At the Mexican grand prix the podium winners have just been given sombreros to wear by the organisers and yet the University of East Anglia (who know so much better) banned them as being "racist".
Western 'society' deserves everything it gets now we've surrendered so completely to the lefty hand-wringer brigade.
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
One of the big amusement arcades in Paignton always make me laugh. It must have been named in the early 70's, in a blaze of futuristic wonderment. However the said futuristic "Leisure 2000" could now do with a bit of rebranding!
That might indeed explain it. Still very annoying.
I think after last year's tragic events the illegal trade might be a bit subdued this year. Although come to think of it, that might be why it was a bit quieter last year.
I was heavily involved in that issue as an MP because the animal welfare lobby is keen to limit the period as so many animals get scared by constant bangs. We gradually whittled it down, as Ydoethur says, and I'm sorry to hear it's widened again. The whoile fashion really took off over the millennium.
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
I've always been anti and would quite happily take the vote away from people who are pro death penalty.
Is the reason why I could never vote for Priti Patel as Tory leader.
Let's have a referendum on the death penalty I say.
A couple of thoughts about the US death penalty.
The primary reason I hear from Americans who support it, (otherwise than the religious nonsense), is that it's cheaper than locking them up for life without parole. Unfortunately it isn't - putting someone in Death Row for 10-20 years is horrendously more expensive than incarcerating a lifer. I've seen the figures. The religious folks who believe all life is sacred are pro capital punishment. How illogical is that?
Someone mentioned DNA testing, which is about as bullet proof as evidence gets today. Prosecutors often will deny convicted death row inmates requests for DNA testing for various reasons, one being they don't like to be shown to be wrong, or that the justice system is fallible. Also in some states there are limits on how long after conviction new evidence can be introduced. In Texas it used to be 30 days, but I believe they've updated it since then.
And DNA testing is by no means bullet proof. The theory of course is sound under lab conditions but the actual practice, the use of partial or mixed DNA matches without explaining this to Juries and a considerable number of points in the system where errors can occur mean that DNA evidence is certainly not as conclusive as people like to believe.
Bullet proof was probably a poor choice of words. DNA is the most reliable evidence, but as you say it's by no means 100% in practice.
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
The Spanish City was a permanent funfair in Whitley Bay, a seaside town in North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear, England. Erected as a smaller version of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, it opened in 1910 as a concert hall, restaurant, roof garden and tearoom. A ballroom was added in 1920, and later the funfair.[1]
Located near the seafront, the Spanish City has a 180 ft-long (54.8 m) Renaissance-style frontage and became known for its distinctive dome, now a Grade II listed building.[2] There are towers on either side of the entrance, each of which carries a half-life-size female bacchanalian figure in lead, one holding cymbals, the other a tambourine. The building's architects were Robert Burns Dick, Charles T. Marshall and James Cackett.[3]
The band Dire Straits immortalized the Spanish City in their 1980 hit single, "Tunnel of Love," which from then on was played every morning when the park opened.[4] By the late 1990s the building had fallen into disrepair, and in the early 2000s it was closed to the public.[5] A regeneration project was announced in 2011.[4]
At the Mexican grand prix the podium winners have just been given sombreros to wear by the organisers and yet the University of East Anglia (who know so much better) banned them as being "racist".
Western 'society' deserves everything it gets now we've surrendered so completely to the lefty hand-wringer brigade.
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
One of the big amusement arcades in Paignton always make me laugh. It must have been named in the early 70's, in a blaze of futuristic wonderment. However the said futuristic "Leisure 2000" could now do with a bit of rebranding!
Don't worry Geoff I didn't get it either so my vehement opposition to the death penalty would have cancelled your support out. Consider us following a Yougov pairing system :-)
I genuinely like the pairing idea It's limited to that, though. The death penalty is about the only topic I've ever disagreed with you over in all the time I've been reading your comments.
I used to be pro and am now anti. I've previously explained here about my experience with the death penalty.
Yes, I recall your post on the subject. We are all shaped by our experiences, as am I in this matter. Let me make very clear at this point that I respect your views and the reasons for them completely. I have no intention of insulting you by attempting to debate the issue.
d does not. So without this protection the only thing it might offer instead is to deter and avenge. And it refuses to do that either. So what use is the State?
Does the death penalty in the US provide a nice, peaceful gun-free society?
I'm not sure what relevance that daft question has to anything I said in a reply specifically directed to @Tim_B
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Please tell when I previously stated an opinion on the death penalty on this Forum.
BTW I love you too! xx
So prior to tonight, you can't tell us when I last discussed the death penalty on PB?
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
Norwich was also where the first blood libel of the Jews occured in Britain. In England in 1144 Jews of Norwich were accused of ritual murder after a boy, William of Norwich, was found dead with stab wounds in the woods.
That might indeed explain it. Still very annoying.
I think after last year's tragic events the illegal trade might be a bit subdued this year. Although come to think of it, that might be why it was a bit quieter last year.
I was heavily involved in that issue as an MP because the animal welfare lobby is keen to limit the period as so many animals get scared by constant bangs. We gradually whittled it down, as Ydoethur says, and I'm sorry to hear it's widened again. The whoile fashion really took off over the millennium.
The Spanish City was a permanent funfair in Whitley Bay, a seaside town in North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear, England. Erected as a smaller version of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, it opened in 1910 as a concert hall, restaurant, roof garden and tearoom. A ballroom was added in 1920, and later the funfair.[1]
Located near the seafront, the Spanish City has a 180 ft-long (54.8 m) Renaissance-style frontage and became known for its distinctive dome, now a Grade II listed building.[2] There are towers on either side of the entrance, each of which carries a half-life-size female bacchanalian figure in lead, one holding cymbals, the other a tambourine. The building's architects were Robert Burns Dick, Charles T. Marshall and James Cackett.[3]
The band Dire Straits immortalized the Spanish City in their 1980 hit single, "Tunnel of Love," which from then on was played every morning when the park opened.[4] By the late 1990s the building had fallen into disrepair, and in the early 2000s it was closed to the public.[5] A regeneration project was announced in 2011.[4]
One of my favourite songs
"And girl it looks so pretty to me like it always did Like the Spanish City to me when we were kids"
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
Norwich was also where the first blood libel of the Jews occured in Britain. In England in 1144 Jews of Norwich were accused of ritual murder after a boy, William of Norwich, was found dead with stab wounds in the woods.
Very true, Mr. Mark, but I was trying to stay away from the Jewish angle. You know how some people on here can go off on one if the word is mentioned.
Looking at the pictures from there I can conclude that the tail broke off. Particularly on page 14 of that website I can see a large aerial picture of the crash site, it's clear that there are 2 main debris fields that are not much larger that 200 ft in diameter, one containing the tail section and one containing the rest of the plane.
The Spanish City was a permanent funfair in Whitley Bay, a seaside town in North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear, England. Erected as a smaller version of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, it opened in 1910 as a concert hall, restaurant, roof garden and tearoom. A ballroom was added in 1920, and later the funfair.[1]
Located near the seafront, the Spanish City has a 180 ft-long (54.8 m) Renaissance-style frontage and became known for its distinctive dome, now a Grade II listed building.[2] There are towers on either side of the entrance, each of which carries a half-life-size female bacchanalian figure in lead, one holding cymbals, the other a tambourine. The building's architects were Robert Burns Dick, Charles T. Marshall and James Cackett.[3]
The band Dire Straits immortalized the Spanish City in their 1980 hit single, "Tunnel of Love," which from then on was played every morning when the park opened.[4] By the late 1990s the building had fallen into disrepair, and in the early 2000s it was closed to the public.[5] A regeneration project was announced in 2011.[4]
One of my favourite songs
"And girl it looks so pretty to me like it always did Like the Spanish City to me when we were kids"
The Spanish City was a permanent funfair in Whitley Bay, a seaside town in North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear, England. Erected as a smaller version of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, it opened in 1910 as a concert hall, restaurant, roof garden and tearoom. A ballroom was added in 1920, and later the funfair.[1]
Located near the seafront, the Spanish City has a 180 ft-long (54.8 m) Renaissance-style frontage and became known for its distinctive dome, now a Grade II listed building.[2] There are towers on either side of the entrance, each of which carries a half-life-size female bacchanalian figure in lead, one holding cymbals, the other a tambourine. The building's architects were Robert Burns Dick, Charles T. Marshall and James Cackett.[3]
The band Dire Straits immortalized the Spanish City in their 1980 hit single, "Tunnel of Love," which from then on was played every morning when the park opened.[4] By the late 1990s the building had fallen into disrepair, and in the early 2000s it was closed to the public.[5] A regeneration project was announced in 2011.[4]
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
One of the big amusement arcades in Paignton always make me laugh. It must have been named in the early 70's, in a blaze of futuristic wonderment. However the said futuristic "Leisure 2000" could now do with a bit of rebranding!
I remember it as a kid when we'd go to Redcar on vacation. I was born near Blackpool and was shocked to read a recent article as to how far it has declined.
Like the Dire Straits song but hadn't made the connection.
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
That must be why they don't wear sandals.
Did you omit a word before 'Cornwall'?
Sorry. It should have read, "Anywhere in Cornwall".
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
That must be why they don't wear sandals.
Did you omit a word before 'Cornwall'?
Sorry. It should have read, "Anywhere in Cornwall".
The Spanish City was a permanent funfair in Whitley Bay, a seaside town in North Tyneside, Tyne & Wear, England. Erected as a smaller version of Blackpool's Pleasure Beach, it opened in 1910 as a concert hall, restaurant, roof garden and tearoom. A ballroom was added in 1920, and later the funfair.[1]
Located near the seafront, the Spanish City has a 180 ft-long (54.8 m) Renaissance-style frontage and became known for its distinctive dome, now a Grade II listed building.[2] There are towers on either side of the entrance, each of which carries a half-life-size female bacchanalian figure in lead, one holding cymbals, the other a tambourine. The building's architects were Robert Burns Dick, Charles T. Marshall and James Cackett.[3]
The band Dire Straits immortalized the Spanish City in their 1980 hit single, "Tunnel of Love," which from then on was played every morning when the park opened.[4] By the late 1990s the building had fallen into disrepair, and in the early 2000s it was closed to the public.[5] A regeneration project was announced in 2011.[4]
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
One of the big amusement arcades in Paignton always make me laugh. It must have been named in the early 70's, in a blaze of futuristic wonderment. However the said futuristic "Leisure 2000" could now do with a bit of rebranding!
I remember it as a kid when we'd go to Redcar on vacation. I was born near Blackpool and was shocked to read a recent article as to how far it has declined.
Like the Dire Straits song but hadn't made the connection.
The University of East Anglia, famous for their respected work on climate change ;-)
The only thing I can remember of the university when I visited it was the Brutalist architecture.
I visited Norwich and Great Yarmouth some years ago. East Anglia as a whole is an odd place. It's miles from anywhere.
And several decades.
Unfortunately many of our traditional coastal regions are in a poor out of date state. On of the problems with the coast is there is no one passing through. They are destinations and people have lots of choices now. Resorts have allowed themselves to decline.
One of the big amusement arcades in Paignton always make me laugh. It must have been named in the early 70's, in a blaze of futuristic wonderment. However the said futuristic "Leisure 2000" could now do with a bit of rebranding!
I remember it as a kid when we'd go to Redcar on vacation. I was born near Blackpool and was shocked to read a recent article as to how far it has declined.
Like the Dire Straits song but hadn't made the connection.
I just read the Wiki article, and as a teenager went to both Palisades and Rockaways. I remember Cullercoats on the train too. I have the Dire Straits Greatest Hits on my iPod and must have played that song many times and have never picked up on any of it!
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
That must be why they don't wear sandals.
Did you omit a word before 'Cornwall'?
Sorry. It should have read, "Anywhere in Cornwall".
My apologies.
Do we know how many toes SeanT has?
Ah, but SeanT's dirty little secret* is that he was actually born in Devon. Not a Cornishman at all. Don't know about the toe count though.
* Well its not actually a secret, being as how he confessed to the fact on this very web site.
Or - - here's a challenge - Say something interesting, or novel about Norwich
Norwich has a very fine castle, or rather the keep of a castle.
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
That must be why they don't wear sandals.
Did you omit a word before 'Cornwall'?
Sorry. It should have read, "Anywhere in Cornwall".
My apologies.
Do we know how many toes SeanT has?
Ah, but SeanT's dirty little secret* is that he was actually born in Devon. Not a Cornishman at all. Don't know about the toe count though.
* Well its not actually a secret, being as how he confessed to the fact on this very web site.
It's about as secret as the tourist signs in Essex pointing you to "Secret government nuclear bunker" then?
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
Tremors is on of those very fine films where the positive approval of the film has been undermined and indeed destroyed by years of utterly woeful sequels. From Dusk to Dawn has much the same problem (although I've heard positive things about the new Robert Rodriguez TV show).
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Actually if you had looked earlier you would have seen that Tim_B is a strong opponent of the Death Penalty so your assumption is completely wrong.
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
[snip other bollocks].
Actually he's against it, you dull fuckwit.
I'll regard that as your interview for the open position of my attack dog.
It may not be of any importance but an interesting thing I noticed about Oldham West & Royton is that according to UKPR it was 55% Christian at the time of the 2011 census which is only 4 points lower than the England-wide figure of 59% despite having a pretty high Asian/Muslim population.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
You've just provided more solid identifiable evidence (if more were needed) that you have the mental sharpness of a well used riot shield.
Apparently the Labour longlist for Oldham West & Royton includes Chris Williamson who lost Derby North to the Conservatives in May:
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010) Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker) Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994) Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?) Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate) Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader) Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
Why have labour gone from 2/9 to 1/10?
I don't know. Which betting company?
They're the current best prices and last weeks
Farage is on LBC at the mo presenting a chat show as we type.. How odd!
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
There are facts on both sides. You probably don't know this, but I have had considerable experience with the death penalty here.
People are not pro or anti because of any factual or analytical analysis - it's a gut feel. That's just the way it is. Argue the facts all you want but you'll find you can't persuade anyone on either side.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
There are facts on both sides. You probably don't know this, but I have had considerable experience with the death penalty here.
People are not pro or anti because of any factual or analytical analysis - it's a gut feel. That's just the way it is. Argue the facts all you want but you'll find you can't persuade anyone on either side.
Not sure... I can be persuaded. I have no opposition intellectually to the principle of people receiving the death penalty for murder (possibly also high treason), my objection is a technocratic one, the obvious risk of miscarriages of justice.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
There are facts on both sides. You probably don't know this, but I have had considerable experience with the death penalty here.
People are not pro or anti because of any factual or analytical analysis - it's a gut feel. That's just the way it is. Argue the facts all you want but you'll find you can't persuade anyone on either side.
I've never seen any argument from pro-death penalty people that made any logical sense and stood up to the lightest scrutiny.
Your second paragraph is a different point to the one you made earlier. Yes, most people are probably unpersuadable one way or the other. I wouldn't say it will be 100% but it will be the vast bulk.
You can't really argue about the death penalty. You're either pro or anti. It's an irrational argument either way. It's like Manchester United, the NY Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys - you like it or hate it. It's not a view arrived at analytically.
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
It is an absolute nonsense to argue that there are no rational, coherent arguments over the death penalty. Of course, you holding this view makes it certain you are a supporter because it is the pro lobby which has no justification for their desire for the death penalty.
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Why not search my other posts on this thread and then reply again when you have done so, rather than just raving at my perceived position.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
Apologies for the error but the point remains, there are solid, identifiable reasons why the death penalty should not exist. Your claim that there are none is just flat out wrong.
There are facts on both sides. You probably don't know this, but I have had considerable experience with the death penalty here.
People are not pro or anti because of any factual or analytical analysis - it's a gut feel. That's just the way it is. Argue the facts all you want but you'll find you can't persuade anyone on either side.
Not sure... I can be persuaded. I have no opposition intellectually to the principle of people receiving the death penalty for murder (possibly also high treason), my objection is a technocratic one, the obvious risk of miscarriages of justice.
You get to do this one on your own. I started pro and went anti.
This is rather bizarre: a lot of black people in America apparently believe Tom Jones is "passing as white". He's having a DNA test to see if there's any truth in it.
This is rather bizarre: a lot of black people in America apparently believe Tom Jones is "passing as white". He's having a DNA test to see if there's any truth in it.
Sad but at least it means no more innumerable commercials for AIG reverse mortgages.
He was Republican minority counsel at the Watergate hearings.
Yes, I believe he was a lawyer too before he was an actor and politician. Of course it is all hypothetical now but had he won the presidency in 2008 and been re-elected he would now have died in office
This is rather bizarre: a lot of black people in America apparently believe Tom Jones is "passing as white". He's having a DNA test to see if there's any truth in it.
This is rather bizarre: a lot of black people in America apparently believe Tom Jones is "passing as white". He's having a DNA test to see if there's any truth in it.
Why does the stupid Turkish elections website (a) not show the map properly? (b) not have a scroll-bar thingy at the bottom of the screen to allow us to move across to see the map properly?
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Gibraltar's last hanging for murder was of Ernest Opisso on 3 July 1931. He was executed for the murder of his employer in the flat above her shop where they both worked.
Two Spaniards from La Línea recruited by the German intelligence service, the Abwehr, Luis López Cordón Cuenca (23) and José Martín Muñoz (19), were hanged on 11 January 1944. The hangings were carried out by Albert Pierrepoint, who had travelled undercover to Gibraltar to carry out the executions.
The last sentence of death in Gib was passed and commuted in 1952.
The whole IRA cobblers just turned me right off. I've no idea what point you're making most of the time anymore. You're such a clever guy too.
BTW I love you too! xx
Bonus points if you have a graph!
Sorry, @Plato_Says, couldn't resist
I sympathize with your situation and respect your views too. No wish to debate either.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/660946229552095232
You added huge value re killer cucumbers. That was a long time ago. We all talk opinion rubbish as well.
The primary reason I hear from Americans who support it, (otherwise than the religious nonsense), is that it's cheaper than locking them up for life without parole. Unfortunately it isn't - putting someone in Death Row for 10-20 years is horrendously more expensive than incarcerating a lifer. I've seen the figures. The religious folks who believe all life is sacred are pro capital punishment. How illogical is that?
Someone mentioned DNA testing, which is about as bullet proof as evidence gets today. Prosecutors often will deny convicted death row inmates requests for DNA testing for various reasons, one being they don't like to be shown to be wrong, or that the justice system is fallible. Also in some states there are limits on how long after conviction new evidence can be introduced. In Texas it used to be 30 days, but I believe they've updated it since then.
I'm in favour of keeping it, but it does seem a bit bad to force the Scots to house it if they really are overwhelmingly against.
Leave aside the possibility of an innocent person being hanged. Forget for a moment the dreadful media circus that would attend every capital case. Just think about how today's public would react to the lottery of death. When we had the death penalty only some, a minority, sentenced to die actually went to the gallows. Why some and not others was never disclosed and it certainly had no connection to the severity, if that is the right word, of the murder they committed. Sid Darnley, an assistant hangman in the 1950s, suggested in his memoirs that they were spread about the country so that each area had one or two a year.
The death penalty belongs to the past; a simpler time, perhaps a better time in many ways but a time gone nontheless.
Sticking someone on Death Row and not carrying it out is just torture for everyone.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/569907-breaking-news-airliner-missing-within-egyptian-fir-17.html
I didn't want to say this, but there you go. Say something interesting, novel or about your mum or whatever instead
The crux of my point was that there was no deterrence before the event or equal retribution afterwards. My point should have been clearer that in the absence of being allowed to defend oneself the State promises to do that for you. When they fail to do that, you'd think they would at least hang the bastard concerned to cover up their failure.
Anyway, with apologies, enough on this. I shouldn't have bitten.
www.express.co.uk/news/world/572986/Gibraltar-Trident-nuclear-submarines-SNP
http://youtu.be/BLLlkP2uNpA
That was a first.
Of course there would be a lot of screaming and shouting from the usual suspects but nuclear weapons have been stored down there before and there is not a lot of fuss about such things in Berkshire where they are actually made.
There are only 16 licensed radio stations (4 of them are BBC ones) on FM in London when the FM band can hold 41 stations, so obviously regulations are withholding supply so a black market of sorts has appeared on broadcasting.
I can't understand why Britain (and most of europe) is always so restrictive on the number of TV and radio stations, before Freeview you only had 5 TV channels and only one of them private when the UHF band could hold 48.
After hundreds of hours of CSI TV - If I can't commit a very tricky murder, well I'd be a crap student.
Also every 4 years I have to go there to be burned and drowned. My next excursion there is next spring.
"Tremors" is on ITV4 right now
Norwich also, reputedly, the largest number per capita of twelve toed people of any settlement in England, and that includes anywhere Cornwall (cornwall being the Celtic word for marrying a cousin).
"And girl it looks so pretty to me like it always did
Like the Spanish City to me when we were kids"
Did you omit a word before 'Cornwall'?
Particularly on page 14 of that website I can see a large aerial picture of the crash site, it's clear that there are 2 main debris fields that are not much larger that 200 ft in diameter, one containing the tail section and one containing the rest of the plane.
Many mock Dire Straits but IMO they were great back then.
I remember it as a kid when we'd go to Redcar on vacation. I was born near Blackpool and was shocked to read a recent article as to how far it has declined.
Like the Dire Straits song but hadn't made the connection.
My apologies.
I was 350 mile away emotional teenager and it felt so local. I remember it as a kid when we'd go to Redcar on vacation. I was born near Blackpool and was shocked to read a recent article as to how far it has declined.
Like the Dire Straits song but hadn't made the connection.
I just read the Wiki article, and as a teenager went to both Palisades and Rockaways. I remember Cullercoats on the train too. I have the Dire Straits Greatest Hits on my iPod and must have played that song many times and have never picked up on any of it!
* Well its not actually a secret, being as how he confessed to the fact on this very web site.
From VoteUK forum:
Mohammed Azam (Oldham councillor for Alexandra ward 1999-2004; stood for Oldham East selection in 2010)
Jane East (candidate for Colne Valley in 2015; charity worker)
Abdul Jabbar (Oldham councillor for Coldhurst ward since 1994)
Sabina Khan (Brent councillor for Stonebridge ward since 2014?)
Jim McMahon (Oldham council leader; councillor for Failsworth East ward since 2004; moderate)
Sophie Taylor (Trafford councillor for Clifford ward since 2008; backed Angela Eagle for deputy leader)
Chris Williamson (former MP for Derby North 2010-15; Derby city councillor 1991-2010 and twice Leader of Derby City Council; Corbynite)
The arguments against it meanwhile are strong. The death penalty clearly does not work, there is no correlation between the death penalty and crime levels. When the death penalty in the United States came out of abeyance in 1976 there was no detectable fall in violent crime.
Additionally the chance of error (including numerous very clear examples of error) demonstrate what a bad choice the death penalty is. Miscarriages happen, the death penalty removes the ability to redress these,
Most damningly, however, there is the clear message that the death penalty actually offers - that brutal, violent revenge is the right course of action and is not just approved but actually practised by the state.
Otherwise I shall have to call you unflattering names which I don't really want to do.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about you.
You're hired!
Drop it and wriggle back under your stone.
Farage is on LBC at the mo presenting a chat show as we type.. How odd!
People are not pro or anti because of any factual or analytical analysis - it's a gut feel. That's just the way it is. Argue the facts all you want but you'll find you can't persuade anyone on either side.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/11/01/nicola-sturgeon-scotlands-most-popular-person/
Your second paragraph is a different point to the one you made earlier. Yes, most people are probably unpersuadable one way or the other. I wouldn't say it will be 100% but it will be the vast bulk.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/01/fred-thompson-former-us-senator-dead-at-73/
He was Republican minority counsel at the Watergate hearings.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3299505/I-having-DNA-test-ancestors-black-says-Sir-Tom-told-just-passing-white.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298621/Scandal-hit-Kids-Company-spent-tens-thousands-pounds-sending-staff-clients-240-hour-Harley-Street-hypnotherapist.html
(a) not show the map properly?
(b) not have a scroll-bar thingy at the bottom of the screen to allow us to move across to see the map properly?
http://www.yenisafak.com/en/secim-2015-kasim/secim-sonuclari
Clinton 1.8
Rubio 5
Trump 7.5
http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb/betting/y/12/Politics.html