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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    Independence would revive the Scottish Tories. Countries need a party of the right to sort out the mess the left leaves behind, at the moment as London can be blamed Scotland can get away with that anomaly. Remove the London bogeyman and Scotland will need to balance the books.

    The SNP won't be on the right so either the Tories or some other party would be. Realistically there are no other right-leaning parties of any real merit in Scotland so it will be the Tories. Though they may change name.

    Besides Ruth Davidson is a class act and if she stays and Labour continue to implode it is plausible to start to imagine the Tories becoming Scotland's official second party behind the SNP.
    The Scottish Tories are already the biggest gainers since the election in Scotland, BMG had them on 19% last week, Comres on 25%, the Tories only got 14% in Scotland in May. Scottish Tories are also overwhelmingly unionist with over 90% voting No in the referendum so certainly would not even contemplate using independence to revive their fortunes

    http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/BMG-Research-Westminster-Voting-Intentions-and-the-EU-Referendum-Tables-291015.pdf
    http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Daily-Mail_October-2015_Political-poll.pdf
  • JEO said:

    Interesting (to me at least) snippet on the ballot-counting process in Turkish elections:

    Under the Turkish system a ballot box is immediately opened after 5pm, once everyone in the queue has voted, and all the ballot papers inside are counted. A report is then drawn up outlining the result from the ballot box and any observers who request it are given a copy of the report.

    The ballot papers are then placed into sacks, which are sealed and transported to the nearest regional election centre, where they are counted once again. It is at this stage that the votes are input into the official SEÇSİS computer system.
    http://www.jamesinturkey.com/live-turkey-votes-nov-2015/
    Given the Turkish government just took over two critical newspapers, so they published pro-Erdokan pieces on the front page the next day, I don't have much faith in this election. Turkey is clearly now an authoritarian regime, and every politician that supports its EU membership is severely mistaken.

    It didn't take long for Greece, Spain and Portugal to move from "authoritarian regimes" to EU membership.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    So Scottish Labour are in favour of getting rid of Trident but are led by someone who is in favour of replacing it. UK Labour is in favour of keeping Trident but is led by someone who is opposed to it.

    I think an optimistic person would say whatever your views the party has them covered. A pessimist would suggest a certain lack of clarity.

    It's just a case of mismatched loyalties and opinions, scottish Labour have to be in favour of scraping trident because they are desperate for any SNP voter to go their way, however their leader is middle of the road on this so she doesn't want to scrap it.

    Most Labour MP's would disagree with Corbyn whatever his position, but this is one of the few positions which the PLP hold which are actually in tune with the wider public and Labour voters.
    Trident is Corbyn's only big weakness, but nuclear weapons are not in peoples minds since the cold war ended, it's a mystery to me why the SNP and the Greens place such an importance to an issue that if people cared they would be solidly against their position.
    Trident is not Corbyn's only big weakness, it probably isn't even in his top 3.
  • Mr. Alan, but Turkey's becoming less free and fair, not more.
  • HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    Independence would revive the Scottish Tories. Countries need a party of the right to sort out the mess the left leaves behind, at the moment as London can be blamed Scotland can get away with that anomaly. Remove the London bogeyman and Scotland will need to balance the books.

    The SNP won't be on the right so either the Tories or some other party would be. Realistically there are no other right-leaning parties of any real merit in Scotland so it will be the Tories. Though they may change name.

    Besides Ruth Davidson is a class act and if she stays and Labour continue to implode it is plausible to start to imagine the Tories becoming Scotland's official second party behind the SNP.
    The Scottish Tories are already the biggest gainers since the election in Scotland, BMG had them on 19% last week, Comres on 25%, the Tories only got 14% in Scotland in May. Scottish Tories are also overwhelmingly unionist with over 90% voting No in the referendum so certainly would not even contemplate using independence to revive their fortunes

    http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/BMG-Research-Westminster-Voting-Intentions-and-the-EU-Referendum-Tables-291015.pdf
    http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Daily-Mail_October-2015_Political-poll.pdf
    I don't hold much truck in opinion polls. I don't think there's a chance Scottish Tories will get 25% next May.

    However my point is not that the Tories will back Independence in order to revive, but that the inevitable consequence of Independence is that the Tories (or a new incarnation of them) will inevitably revive.

    As long as Scotland can blame London for its troubles there no need for Scotland to elect a party of the right. That will change upon independence.
  • Mr. Alan, but Turkey's becoming less free and fair, not more.

    I don't think anyone here thinks that Turkey will join the EU under Erdogan.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    JEO said:

    Interesting (to me at least) snippet on the ballot-counting process in Turkish elections:

    Under the Turkish system a ballot box is immediately opened after 5pm, once everyone in the queue has voted, and all the ballot papers inside are counted. A report is then drawn up outlining the result from the ballot box and any observers who request it are given a copy of the report.

    The ballot papers are then placed into sacks, which are sealed and transported to the nearest regional election centre, where they are counted once again. It is at this stage that the votes are input into the official SEÇSİS computer system.
    http://www.jamesinturkey.com/live-turkey-votes-nov-2015/
    Given the Turkish government just took over two critical newspapers, so they published pro-Erdokan pieces on the front page the next day, I don't have much faith in this election. Turkey is clearly now an authoritarian regime, and every politician that supports its EU membership is severely mistaken.
    It didn't take long for Greece, Spain and Portugal to move from "authoritarian regimes" to EU membership.


    Yes, there's no real difference.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    rcs1000 said:

    Disturbing news about the Russian airliner breaking up in the air. Only three possibilities as I see it.

    1. It was downed by a missile. I'd give this the lowest likelihood. A missile should have shown up on Egyptian radars and may well have been visible to witnesses (yes, it was in the desert and witnesses may be keeping quiet but would it be worth the risk?).

    2. There was a bomb on board. Ostensibly the most likely given the circumstances, except that were it the case, I'd have expected a group that planted it to have claimed responsibility.

    3. Non-violent structural failure. If true, a disaster for Airbus unless there's been deeply inadequate maintenance or something similar.

    4. A loan nutjob on the plane. (Can include the pilot, as German Wings proved earlier this year.)

    5. Sabotage

    It might just be coincidence, but I think the fact that a Russian airliner was blown up in that part of the world, just after Russia got involved in the regional mess is suggestive.
    I'm sure Russia will find a way to blame it on Ukraine.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    malcolmg said:

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    Your point is , London rule and greed is such that parts of the UK have a lower life expectancy than Africa. Does not help your unionist viewpoint much and clearly articulates my point that the UK is crap and ill divided, thank you for confirming the truth even if you were both sneeringly just trying to denigrate Scotland. I know Tories don't care a jot about the people , English , Scottish , Irish or Welsh.
    What a pair of lowlifes.
    Places that keep voting for socialists end up with weak/poor economies. Look from SLAB to the SNP and back to SLAB.
    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
    It has been mainly Tory governments, you seem unable to grasp that all the power is in London, along with our cash.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    Danny565 said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    She does come across as a nice person, but to me she doesn't really seem like the type who could win over Toryish swing voters. She'd probably be a better fit (personality-wise, not policy-wise) as a Scottish Labour leader.
    The Tories were the only one of the big four Scottish parties other than the SNP to increase their vote. Share fell down due to the overwhelming SNP surge (and much higher turnout) but Tory vote went up by 22k at the same time as Labour lost 328k votes and the Lib Dems lost 246k

    I don't think there will be a Scottish Tory vote but Davidson is the best leader the Scottish Tories could have.
    Lol, not another surge downwards
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:



    UK is a dump compared to Germany , you just need to look at life there. It is no coincidence most refugees want to go there. London is a hell hole , a bad mix of haves and lots of have nots , polarised and well overrated. Only blinkered English people think it is the capital of Europe.

    Please do not confuse London with the rest of England. That London is, mostly, a dump I agree and, if forced to live in a city, I think I would prefer just about anywhere in Europe (except Paris, obviously) to it. However, London isn't England anymore than the east end of Glasgow is Scotland.
    Hurst , I was being a bit generalist and provocative with the numpties , there are for sure many beautiful areas in England. It is the pathetic Tories on here trying to pretend that London is the capital of the world , rather than a base for laundering etc and whilst people may be drawn to the opportunities to graft money it is no Shangri La. No intelligent person , spotty teenagers apart, could imagine that the UK is anything like the country it was not so many years ago. We continue our downward decline apart from a privileged minority.

    The UK is still the fifth largest economy in the world and one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council, for a medium sized nation that is not bad. Rural England and indeed rural Scotland have many beautiful areas and Edinburgh is probably the most beautiful city in the UK alongside maybe Oxford or Bath but London is the only truly world city in the country and probably only just behind New York as the most powerful city on the planet
    Washington is the most powerful city on the planet. It regulates New York.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,538

    Mr. Alan, but Turkey's becoming less free and fair, not more.

    I don't think anyone here thinks that Turkey will join the EU under Erdogan.
    Turkey's a million miles away from membership of the EU: progress towards meeting the requirements has been glacial.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

    The option of membership gives the EU some levers with Turkey and is a factor in stopping Turkey shifting eastwards. Both the EU and Turkey know this. In fact, Turkey is to some extent playing sides off against each other, although the non-EU countries hold poor hands.

    No-one really expects Turkey to join in the next decade, unless something really fundamental changes. The AKP losing an election and a stop to the creeping Islamification (and even a return to secularisation) would be a start. But that's not going to happen today.
  • Mr. Thompson, that's assuming Erdogan's successor will be an improvement. There's no guarantee of that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:



    UK is a dump compared to Germany , you just need to look at life there. It is no coincidence most refugees want to go there. London is a hell hole , a bad mix of haves and lots of have nots , polarised and well overrated. Only blinkered English people think it is the capital of Europe.

    Please do not confuse London with the rest of England. That London is, mostly, a dump I agree and, if forced to live in a city, I think I would prefer just about anywhere in Europe (except Paris, obviously) to it. However, London isn't England anymore than the east end of Glasgow is Scotland.
    Hurst , I was being a bit generalist and provocative with the numpties , there are for sure many beautiful areas in England. It is the pathetic Tories on here trying to pretend that London is the capital of the world , rather than a base for laundering etc and whilst people may be drawn to the opportunities to graft money it is no Shangri La. No intelligent person , spotty teenagers apart, could imagine that the UK is anything like the country it was not so many years ago. We continue our downward decline apart from a privileged minority.

    The UK is still the fifth largest economy in the world and one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council, for a medium sized nation that is not bad. Rural England and indeed rural Scotland have many beautiful areas and Edinburgh is probably the most beautiful city in the UK alongside maybe Oxford or Bath but London is the only truly world city in the country and probably only just behind New York as the most powerful city on the planet
    Washington is the most powerful city on the planet. It regulates New York.
    Well it did not do a great job in 2008 and it is New York which provides America's financial muscle. Washington is the political capital of the U.S., New York the financial capital and Los Angeles the cultural and film capital (outside of Broadway)
  • After 40% of votes counted, Erdogan's henchmen are on 53%:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34694420
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    Independence would revive the Scottish Tories. Countries need a party of the right to sort out the mess the left leaves behind, at the moment as London can be blamed Scotland can get away with that anomaly. Remove the London bogeyman and Scotland will need to balance the books.

    The SNP won't be on the right so either the Tories or some other party would be. Realistically there are no other right-leaning parties of any real merit in Scotland so it will be the Tories. Though they may change name.

    Besides Ruth Davidson is a class act and if she stays and Labour continue to implode it is plausible to start to imagine the Tories becoming Scotland's official second party behind the SNP.
    Tories really set low standards, if that is their best it si no wonder they are almost extinct.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    Your point is , London rule and greed is such that parts of the UK have a lower life expectancy than Africa. Does not help your unionist viewpoint much and clearly articulates my point that the UK is crap and ill divided, thank you for confirming the truth even if you were both sneeringly just trying to denigrate Scotland. I know Tories don't care a jot about the people , English , Scottish , Irish or Welsh.
    What a pair of lowlifes.
    Places that keep voting for socialists end up with weak/poor economies. Look from SLAB to the SNP and back to SLAB.
    “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
    It has been mainly Tory governments, you seem unable to grasp that all the power is in London, along with our cash.
    MAlky, true, the alcohol tax, raised in Scotland, is a real boon to the exchequer.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    surbiton said:
    Aren't those the results of the last election of a few months ago?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited November 2015

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    Independence would revive the Scottish Tories. Countries need a party of the right to sort out the mess the left leaves behind, at the moment as London can be blamed Scotland can get away with that anomaly. Remove the London bogeyman and Scotland will need to balance the books.

    The SNP won't be on the right so either the Tories or some other party would be. Realistically there are no other right-leaning parties of any real merit in Scotland so it will be the Tories. Though they may change name.

    Besides Ruth Davidson is a class act and if she stays and Labour continue to implode it is plausible to start to imagine the Tories becoming Scotland's official second party behind the SNP.
    The Scottish Tories are already the biggest gainers since the election in Scotland, BMG had them on 19% last week, Comres on 25%, the Tories only got 14% in Scotland in May. Scottish Tories are also overwhelmingly unionist with over 90% voting No in the referendum so certainly would not even contemplate using independence to revive their fortunes

    http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/BMG-Research-Westminster-Voting-Intentions-and-the-EU-Referendum-Tables-291015.pdf
    http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Daily-Mail_October-2015_Political-poll.pdf
    I don't hold much truck in opinion polls. I don't think there's a chance Scottish Tories will get 25% next May.

    However my point is not that the Tories will back Independence in order to revive, but that the inevitable consequence of Independence is that the Tories (or a new incarnation of them) will inevitably revive.

    As long as Scotland can blame London for its troubles there no need for Scotland to elect a party of the right. That will change upon independence.
    Firstly I still believe Scotland will stay in the Union as Quebec stayed in Canada, probably ultimately with full fiscal autonomy,
    so you are talking hypothetically. Second John Major's Tories got 25% in Scotland in 1992 so it is not impossible
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,538
    edited November 2015
    JohnO said:

    surbiton said:
    Aren't those the results of the last election of a few months ago?
    They look like it to me: they're within a hair's breadth of June's results.

    Edit: if they are right, then this election's been rather pointless as the results for AKP and CHP are more or less identical. Erdogan's problem remains.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Mr. kle4 (and Mr. M), going for a sniper build initially, but a little softer than it might be so I can have the armour modification perk as well as hacking and lockpicking [that said, lockpicking falls under Perception and that should be high anyway]. Also going to jack up Charisma a lot, just because it suits my approach. An alternative would be high Luck for better criticals, and/or high Agility for the Ninja perk.

    The other style that tempted me was melee. There's the obvious high Strength/Endurance set-up, but an alternative could be high Luck (depends how good the Fighting Irish perk is) and/or high Intelligence. Every attribute has a bonus beyond perks, and Intelligence increases gained XP. Some reckon hiking that whatever your character build (given perk points can be used to increase the SPECIAL stats as well as buying perks) is actually more effective than optimising the initial SPECIAL for perks.

    You will get a chance to alter the SPECIAL stats after the initial prologue, I believe. Uncertain if you can change your character's physical appearance at that moment.

    Thanks for that Mr Dancer. I am looking forward to this tremendously.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    ydoethur said:

    SLab conference votes to oppose Trident renewal, against the view of their leader, Dugdale.
    So that's Scotland's largest party + Greens + the largest subset of a UK party against Trident. I look forward to the SCons campaigning as the branch office of the £167 billion insurance policy. (I'd guess even the SLDs have stopped caring what their position on Trident is).

    So far, London Labour seems to be accepting the result.

    An awful lot could hinge on whether or not that continues. If they over-rule conference as they have in previous years, Corbyn's position will be either (1) enforcing the party line or (2) enraging his oldest allies. He would be wise to let Scottish Labour go their own way in this (well, frankly, in everything).
    If Scottish Labour and "whole of Labour" take radically different positions, particularly on reserved issues, at what point do they stop being the same party? When you vote for your (hypothetical) MP, and it says "Labour" by his (ahem, her) name on the ballot paper, which Labour is he (highly theoretically, "she")?

    Quoting from the BBC piece "Shadow Scottish secretary Ian Murray said moves to make the party in Scotland more autonomous meant it could "have a different position on anything it wants" ... has anyone worked out what this means in practice? They can get away with this, so long as there is only MP, a faction unto himself. When it gets near election time, doesn't it start to matter?
    They can only stop being the same party if a new party is formed given that Scottish Labour do not exist in real terms, they are just a sub office. Given they have lost most of their members and are totally dependent on UK Labour funding them , we will not see anything soon , some hot air from the Scottish donkeys who will get slapped down by head office soon enough.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited November 2015
    JohnO said:

    surbiton said:
    Aren't those the results of the last election of a few months ago?
    Projection NOW AK 310, CHP 134, HDP 61, MHP 45.

    This is not the result of the June elections.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/reelection//results/mps
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    Pity she was not as good at politics.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:



    UK is a dump compared to Germany , you just need to look at life there. It is no coincidence most refugees want to go there. London is a hell hole , a bad mix of haves and lots of have nots , polarised and well overrated. Only blinkered English people think it is the capital of Europe.

    Please do not confuse London with the rest of England. That London is, mostly, a dump I agree and, if forced to live in a city, I think I would prefer just about anywhere in Europe (except Paris, obviously) to it. However, London isn't England anymore than the east end of Glasgow is Scotland.
    Hurst , I was being a bit generalist and provocative with the numpties , there are for sure many beautiful areas in England. It is the pathetic Tories on here trying to pretend that London is the capital of the world , rather than a base for laundering etc and whilst people may be drawn to the opportunities to graft money it is no Shangri La. No intelligent person , spotty teenagers apart, could imagine that the UK is anything like the country it was not so many years ago. We continue our downward decline apart from a privileged minority.

    The UK is still the fifth largest economy in the world and one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council, for a medium sized nation that is not bad. Rural England and indeed rural Scotland have many beautiful areas and Edinburgh is probably the most beautiful city in the UK alongside maybe Oxford or Bath but London is the only truly world city in the country and probably only just behind New York as the most powerful city on the planet
    Washington is the most powerful city on the planet. It regulates New York.
    Well it did not do a great job in 2008 and it is New York which provides America's financial muscle. Washington is the political capital of the U.S., New York the financial capital and Los Angeles the cultural and film capital (outside of Broadway)
    You forgot that Washington is also the military capital, the telecommunications capital and the information capital. Why does every corporation in the world have to have offices in the DC area? Because decisions here affect everything.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    HYUFD said:

    Interesting to see if SLab's move left has much impact at Holyrood next year. Personally I think it will boost the Tories rather than Labour on the constituency vote with the SNP unchanged, however on the regional list vote I would not be surprised to see some SNP voters vote Labour on their top up vote thus boosting the unionist position overall

    LOL, are you that crazy
  • Mr. M, np.

    Turning to F1, if it is rainy that could either bugger up or greatly help the bets. Probably harm them, as the Williams is as happy in the rain as a Wicked Witch, but if the wet weather caused crashes for cars ahead then abated it could be handy.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    surbiton said:

    Scott_P said:

    @RuthDavidsonMSP: Welcome to former Labour supporters who don't want their taxes raised, their country's defences weakened or their MSPs campaigning for indy.

    What a joker !
    I doubt anything can really revive the Scottish Tories at the present time, or if it is even possible, and cannot judge if she is best placed to make the attempt, but she does come across as pretty funny (for a politician that is) and engaging.
    Independence would revive the Scottish Tories. Countries need a party of the right to sort out the mess the left leaves behind, at the moment as London can be blamed Scotland can get away with that anomaly. Remove the London bogeyman and Scotland will need to balance the books.

    The SNP won't be on the right so either the Tories or some other party would be. Realistically there are no other right-leaning parties of any real merit in Scotland so it will be the Tories. Though they may change name.

    Besides Ruth Davidson is a class act and if she stays and Labour continue to implode it is plausible to start to imagine the Tories becoming Scotland's official second party behind the SNP.
    The Scottish Tories are already the biggest gainers since the election in Scotland, BMG had them on 19% last week, Comres on 25%, the Tories only got 14% in Scotland in May. Scottish Tories are also overwhelmingly unionist with over 90% voting No in the referendum so certainly would not even contemplate using independence to revive their fortunes

    http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/BMG-Research-Westminster-Voting-Intentions-and-the-EU-Referendum-Tables-291015.pdf
    http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Daily-Mail_October-2015_Political-poll.pdf
    I don't hold much truck in opinion polls. I don't think there's a chance Scottish Tories will get 25% next May.

    However my point is not that the Tories will back Independence in order to revive, but that the inevitable consequence of Independence is that the Tories (or a new incarnation of them) will inevitably revive.

    As long as Scotland can blame London for its troubles there no need for Scotland to elect a party of the right. That will change upon independence.
    More chance of me flying to the moon, not any chance they will get anywhere near that, 15% will be lucky.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    After 40% of votes counted, Erdogan's henchmen are on 53%:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34694420

    Sounds like Labour postal voting. You would have thought they would have kept it under 40% to pretend at least.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,538
    surbiton said:

    JohnO said:

    surbiton said:
    Aren't those the results of the last election of a few months ago?
    Projection NOW AK 310, CHP 134, HDP 61, MHP 45.

    This is not the result of the June elections.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/reelection//results/mps
    They're as near as damn it in terms of percentage. No-one's shifted more than a few decimal places of a percentage according to that website, and I'm seeing different figures elsewhere.

    Odd.

  • Welcome back, Ms. Sarissa.

    Mr. G, ha, that does make it sound a shade dubious.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited November 2015
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    I never liked caviar. The only people too thick to understand health links are those folk who follow the Glasgow diet, so I apologise for your relations.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    sarissa said:
    It has been proven many times that the permanent jobs are lucky to be near 1000. Usual jingoistic Tory propaganda.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited November 2015
    ydoethur said:

    Oh, I'm very fond of Kane, I even went to Heurst Castle. http://hearstcastle.org/

    ydoethur said:

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2009/sep/10/cinema-the-room-cult

    "The Citizen Kane of bad movies" (Entertainment Weekly)
    I've never really liked or rated Citizen Kane, I must admit, so to be told something is as bad as Citizen Kane is good would make me wonder if the film in question was actually alright.
    I preferred The Third Man of Welles' work. I even went to Vienna as a result!

    Done both of them. IIRC very little of Hearst's Castle was accessible to the public, and I'm guessing most of it was recreated in a studio for the film anyways.

    Vienna is easy to like. Great Metro, stunning architecture, great food, lovely people, very easy and cheap to get around.

    The Third Man locations are almost all still there, and not hard to find with a bit of pre-planning and research.

    "The Doorway" on Schreyvogelgasse, Harry's Apartment at Josefplatz, the Riesenrad, Cafe Mozart, the location of the kiosk at Am Hof, the hexagonal sewer entrance at Girardi Park. The rain-washed cobblestones, and the shadows and echoes down the narrow passages still vividly recall the world of Harry Lime, especially at night.

    Get out to ZentralFriedhof too, for the grave. Although of course it doesn't exist, I still know exactly where to find "it". (^_-) Worth a visit anyway for the composers' section, and the actors' section (including some of the local actors who had parts in The Third Man)

    While resting from the Lime trail, take coffee at Cafe Central where it seems Hitler, Stalin, Trotsky, Tito, Kafka and Freud were all habitues at more or less the same time around 1913...

    Or visit the Hofburg Kaiser Apartments, the silver collection and Empress Sisi's boudoir. Then there's Schoenbrunn and Belvedere.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    I never liked caviar. The only people too thick to understand health links are those folk who follow the Glasgow diet, so I apologise for your relations.
    Ha Ha Ha , geography not your strong subject either. Clue not everybody in Scotland lives in Glasgow.
  • Mr. Foxinsox, surely if that's the case, they're not in poverty now, they're just choosing to spend their money on cigarettes?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    edited November 2015
    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    edited November 2015
    I see there were more riots in the capital of the world last night. That city sure is improving. Perhaps the proponents earlier on were meaning the riot capital mind you.
    http://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/8512?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed: SE1newstwitter (SE1 news for Twitter)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited November 2015

    Mr. Foxinsox, surely if that's the case, they're not in poverty now, they're just choosing to spend their money on cigarettes?

    Smoking rates are pretty much inversly proportional to social class. The highest rates are amongst homeless males, at near 90%, but the rates for single mums are pretty horrifying. The reasons are worth exploring.

    The ASH caculator is linked to here, but seems to be only for England.

    http://www.ash.org.uk/media-room/press-releases/:new-figures-show-each-local-authority-how-many-people-could-be-lifted-out-of-poverty-if-they-quit-smoking

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited November 2015
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:



    UK is a dump compared to Germany , you just need to look at life there. It is no coincidence most refugees want to go there. London is a hell hole , a bad mix of haves and lots of have nots , polarised and well overrated. Only blinkered English people think it is the capital of Europe.

    Please do not confuse London with the rest of England. That London is, mostly, a dump I agree and, if forced to live in a city, I think I would prefer just about anywhere in Europe (except Paris, obviously) to it. However, London isn't England anymore than the east end of Glasgow is Scotland.
    Hurst , I was being a bit generalist and provocative with the numpties , there are for sure many beautiful areas in England. It is the pathetic Tories on here trying to pretend that London is the capital of the world , rather than a base for laundering etc and whilst people may be drawn to the opportunities to graft money it is no Shangri La. No intelligent person , spotty teenagers apart, could imagine that the UK is anything like the country it was not so many years ago. We continue our downward decline apart from a privileged minority.

    The UK is still the fifth largest economy in the world and one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council, for a medium sized nation that is not bad. Rural England and indeed rural Scotland have many beautiful areas and Edinburgh is probably the most beautiful city in the UK alongside maybe Oxford or Bath but London is the only truly world city in the country and probably only just behind New York as the most powerful city on the planet
    Washington is the most powerful city on the planet. It regulates New York.
    Well it did not do a great job in 2008 and it is New York which provides America's financial muscle. Washington is the political capital of the U.S., New York the financial capital and Los Angeles the cultural and film capital (outside of Broadway)
    You forgot that Washington is also the military capital, the telecommunications capital and the information capital. Why does every corporation in the world have to have offices in the DC area? Because decisions here affect everything.
    No San Francisco is the information and telecommunications capital. Almost every corporation has an office in New York too with many having HQs there
  • SLab conference votes to oppose Trident renewal, against the view of their leader, Dugdale.
    So that's Scotland's largest party + Greens + the largest subset of a UK party against Trident. I look forward to the SCons campaigning as the branch office of the £167 billion insurance policy. (I'd guess even the SLDs have stopped caring what their position on Trident is).

    So do I. I suspect that the share of Scottish opinion in favour of Trident is well in excess of the current SCon vote.
    I presume then you are tearing into the 9/4 currently offered by Shadsy on the SCons having most seats (without SNP) after the next Holyrood election.
    Those are not bad odds although I wouldn't go big on them. However, Trident is gesture politics for all parties at a Holyrood election as everyone knows that whatever the stance taken it'll have no impact on the actual decision which, rightly, is a reserved matter. Consequently, I don't expect it to swing many votes. But gesture politics is not meaningless - one reason why politicians indulge in it - and can cut both ways: it can put off those who disapprove as much as encourage those who applaud it.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,004

    Welcome back, Ms. Sarissa.

    Mr. G, ha, that does make it sound a shade dubious.

    Thanks, but I am male - my username refers to this fearsome weapon:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarissa
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    edited November 2015
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
    Get real, have you been looking at politics the last couple of years, labour also had 40+ MP's. Go figure, even with all the changes the Tories scraped one in 2015, what makes you think it will be different in 2016, surely not minute subsamples with 20 or 30 people. Are you in primary school or just at the kidding?
  • Mr. Sarissa, I do apologise.

    Indeed, the sarissa is the most impressive of the iron-tipped pointy sticks.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    Mr. Foxinsox, surely if that's the case, they're not in poverty now, they're just choosing to spend their money on cigarettes?

    MD, you have surely led a sheltered life. It is very well known that when people have nothing , no hope , crap living conditions etc , then they self medicate with cigarettes and alcohol to numb the pain and depression. Also they normally use dodgy cigs and cheap very strong alcohol , which along with their poor diets means a short life span. It was always thus , did you not get history where they all drank cheap gin including the children as life was so crap. Unfortunately that is life for sections of society today, despite the rich Tories on here saying they should just eat cake. Some on here need to think about the old saying "there but for the Grace of God go I".
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,004

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    malcolmg said:

    Mr. Foxinsox, surely if that's the case, they're not in poverty now, they're just choosing to spend their money on cigarettes?

    MD, you have surely led a sheltered life. It is very well known that when people have nothing , no hope , crap living conditions etc , then they self medicate with cigarettes and alcohol to numb the pain and depression. Also they normally use dodgy cigs and cheap very strong alcohol , which along with their poor diets means a short life span. It was always thus , did you not get history where they all drank cheap gin including the children as life was so crap. Unfortunately that is life for sections of society today, despite the rich Tories on here saying they should just eat cake. Some on here need to think about the old saying "there but for the Grace of God go I".
    Cake is so cheap, everyone can eat it. Seriously. If all you did was eat cake you would cut your grocery bills by 80%. Capitalism = cake for all.

    We are witnessing for the first time the end of 'want' of the basics. Now it is about choice. What we have now is a poverty of aspiration and a poverty of bad decisions (combined with luck).
  • Mr. G, sheltered in some regards, indeed.

    People do choose what they spend on, though. Whilst circumstance may influence, to blame wider society in general is to remove responsibility from individuals, and I don't think that's healthy.

    I actually did some little research into the gin-drinking of a few centuries ago when doing background for a steampunk world (short story may be included in a forthcoming anthology, but if not I like it enough to submit it elsewhere or release it myself).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
    Get real, have you been looking at politics the last couple of years, labour also had 40+ MP's. Go figure, even with all the changes the Tories scraped one in 2015, what makes you think it will be different in 2016, surely not minute subsamples with 20 or 30 people. Are you in primary school or just at the kidding?
    There is certainly scope for Tories to pick up a few more seats in the Borders and some more MSPs on the list too if they win 20-25% across Scotland
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is however only specific areas, if you go to the leafy areas like Bearsden and Newton Mearns for example, life span is similar to southern England, yet onl a handful of miles away. It is odd why in the poor areas it is worse than similar deprived areas in English cities.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    Mr. G, sheltered in some regards, indeed.

    People do choose what they spend on, though. Whilst circumstance may influence, to blame wider society in general is to remove responsibility from individuals, and I don't think that's healthy.

    I actually did some little research into the gin-drinking of a few centuries ago when doing background for a steampunk world (short story may be included in a forthcoming anthology, but if not I like it enough to submit it elsewhere or release it myself).

    MD I do agree though I can imagine if all you see ahead is despair it would be tempting to just numb the pain and forget your woes. If you are surrounded by similar and have no shops ., no amenities , no hope etc it must be very demoralising. Hard to believe most people would choose to live like that if they had better options.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is indeed. Scottish public health has its work cut out.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:



    No San Francisco is the information and telecommunications capital. Almost every corporation has an office in New York too with many having HQs there

    You said most powerful city. The power is in the politics and military. This is particularly so in heavily regulated industries such as finance and telecoms. There is no doubt that Washington holds the power over New York, San Francisco etc...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is however only specific areas, if you go to the leafy areas like Bearsden and Newton Mearns for example, life span is similar to southern England, yet onl a handful of miles away. It is odd why in the poor areas it is worse than similar deprived areas in English cities.
    Interestingly the report finds considerable excess mortality in all social classes and across both sexes and also different neighbourhoods.

    It is a little difficult to blame it all on the Sassernachs.
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492
    surbiton said:

    Mr surbiton, as a Spurs fan I invite you to walk from Seven Sisters station to the ground, or half a mile north in Edmonton where we park if driving. Having been based for several years in South London the same applies, from Bexleyheath going into central London is awful.

    My daughter lived until recently in Highgate,delightful place,heaven knows who raises a family there.

    What's wrong with the route from Seven Sisters station to WHL ? Are you not being able to write that you do not like the colour of people's faces ? Don't be so shy, spell it out.
    Is racial make up the only thing you consider when choosing where to live or are you simply obsessed with the colour of people's faces? I have no idea why you would bring that into a discussion, my experience of Highgate is that it is equally as multicultural as Tottenham High Road but far more affluent with more open space.

    Still, I'm sure you felt smug crowbarring race into a conversation that had nothing whatsoever to do with it, well done. Your suburbian neighbours would be proud.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    surbiton said:

    Mr surbiton, as a Spurs fan I invite you to walk from Seven Sisters station to the ground, or half a mile north in Edmonton where we park if driving. Having been based for several years in South London the same applies, from Bexleyheath going into central London is awful.

    My daughter lived until recently in Highgate,delightful place,heaven knows who raises a family there.

    What's wrong with the route from Seven Sisters station to WHL ? Are you not being able to write that you do not like the colour of people's faces ? Don't be so shy, spell it out.
    Is racial make up the only thing you consider when choosing where to live or are you simply obsessed with the colour of people's faces? I have no idea why you would bring that into a discussion, my experience of Highgate is that it is equally as multicultural as Tottenham High Road but far more affluent with more open space.

    Still, I'm sure you felt smug crowbarring race into a conversation that had nothing whatsoever to do with it, well done. Your suburbian neighbours would be proud.
    Race, nationality, cultural, economic and social make up are certainly characteristics in deciding where to live. How you balance these depends on what you are looking for. My good lady for instance would be off like a shot if nigerians started moving in.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is however only specific areas, if you go to the leafy areas like Bearsden and Newton Mearns for example, life span is similar to southern England, yet onl a handful of miles away. It is odd why in the poor areas it is worse than similar deprived areas in English cities.
    Interestingly the report finds considerable excess mortality in all social classes and across both sexes and also different neighbourhoods.

    It is a little difficult to blame it all on the Sassernachs.
    Interesting , hopefully I am an exception to the rule and have a good few years left , being already above average. I had better get that pension soon and try to get some of my money back whilst I can.
  • malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
    Are you in primary school or just at the kidding?
    Surprised to see you back after this afternoon's cavalcade of embarrassments!

    We expect you to get things wrong - but three in 15 minutes was going some - even for you!

    Want to tell us again how Scotland has outspent England on health?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is indeed. Scottish public health has its work cut out.
    Interestingly just Glasgow as Edinburgh and Aberdeen were much higher. Only conclusion can be Trident , we are being poisoned on west coast by all that nuclear muck.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533
    edited November 2015

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
    Are you in primary school or just at the kidding?
    Surprised to see you back after this afternoon's cavalcade of embarrassments!

    We expect you to get things wrong - but three in 15 minutes was going some - even for you!

    Want to tell us again how Scotland has outspent England on health?
    We pay for most of English NHS and probably your tax haven one as well.
    Any intelligent person would be ashamed to admit that you keep all the cash and splash it on your own health to the detriment of Scotland. It is surely all that pooling and NOT sharing you unionist halfwits keep parroting.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,533

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Danny565 said:

    Edinburgh is Labour's only chance of salvaging any dignity in Scotland next year. It's the only part of the country with a substantial young English-born population (the Highlands and the Borders also have a lot of English-borns, but I think they tend to be wealthy retirees).

    The ones in Edinburgh are all rich offspring of Tories so not much for Labour there. Hence why Davidson is fleeing Glasgow and elbowing someone off the list in Edinburgh, desperate to survive the Tsunami and hoping the awful Tories will get a couple of consolation list seats. Never mind "women and children first" for the Tories its out of the road peasants, Officers first.
    On present polling the Tories are up to 10% up on what they got in 2011 in Scotland
    Are you in primary school or just at the kidding?
    Surprised to see you back after this afternoon's cavalcade of embarrassments!

    We expect you to get things wrong - but three in 15 minutes was going some - even for you!

    Want to tell us again how Scotland has outspent England on health?
    I needed some entertainment after mowing the lawn and collecting leaves in the autumn sunshine. Bit of banter before dinner, try and educate some of you lesser lights.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited November 2015
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:



    No San Francisco is the information and telecommunications capital. Almost every corporation has an office in New York too with many having HQs there

    You said most powerful city. The power is in the politics and military. This is particularly so in heavily regulated industries such as finance and telecoms. There is no doubt that Washington holds the power over New York, San Francisco etc...
    Without the tax revenue raised from finance and telecoms there would be no taxes raised and no funds for the government and military.

    According to the Global Cities Competitiveness Index New York (alongside London) are the world's only A++ cities. DC is an A- city alongside San Francisco. Indeed it ranks Chicago and Los Angeles above Washington DC
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    GMB leader spoke for Trident at SLAB conference, so we have gone from the threat of Miliband being held hostage by the unions to the unions being held hostage by Corbyn's Labour within six months!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,928
    malcolmg said:

    sarissa said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I find all these stats for Scotland bizarre, how is it happening?

    Of course if they leave Scotland they can live longer.
    "Life expectancy for those born in Scotland between 2010 and 2012 is 76.5 years for males and 80.7 years for females. This is the lowest of any of the four countries of the UK."
    "Topic Guide to: Life Expectancies" . UK National Statistics. Retrieved 9 June 2014.

    Life expectancy in parts of Glasgow is some of the lowest in Europe.

    Some parts lower than countries in Africa.
    TORIES and it is in very limited sites which were industrialised.
    Are they forced to smoke, drink excessive amounts of alcohol and eat lots of fried food etc?
    Answer is No. These are life style choices.
    In other words you are just too thick to understand the links to health from poverty and deprivation. As long as you are all right you sanctimonious halfwit, hopefully you will choke on your caviar..
    Over 8000 households in Leicester could be lifted out of poverty if they stopped smoking:

    http://m.leicestermercury.co.uk/8-300-households-city-county-poverty-line-smoking/story-28073462-detail/story.html

    I am sure that the figures for Glagow would be twice that figure. There is a lot of scope to reduce unnessecary premature deaths.
    Glasgow does seem to have some unique factors makiing it worse than e.g. Manchester or Liverpool- see

    http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/4153/GCPH_Briefing_Paper_40_-_exploring_potential.pdf

    the graph on page 10 is particularly disturbing.
    It is indeed. Scottish public health has its work cut out.
    Interestingly just Glasgow as Edinburgh and Aberdeen were much higher. Only conclusion can be Trident , we are being poisoned on west coast by all that nuclear muck.
    It's sugar in my opinion. My local mini-supermarket is practically a confectioner, and it's taking over more and more of it.
  • notme said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mr. Foxinsox, surely if that's the case, they're not in poverty now, they're just choosing to spend their money on cigarettes?

    MD, you have surely led a sheltered life. It is very well known that when people have nothing , no hope , crap living conditions etc , then they self medicate with cigarettes and alcohol to numb the pain and depression. Also they normally use dodgy cigs and cheap very strong alcohol , which along with their poor diets means a short life span. It was always thus , did you not get history where they all drank cheap gin including the children as life was so crap. Unfortunately that is life for sections of society today, despite the rich Tories on here saying they should just eat cake. Some on here need to think about the old saying "there but for the Grace of God go I".
    Cake is so cheap, everyone can eat it. Seriously. If all you did was eat cake you would cut your grocery bills by 80%. Capitalism = cake for all.

    We are witnessing for the first time the end of 'want' of the basics. Now it is about choice. What we have now is a poverty of aspiration and a poverty of bad decisions (combined with luck).
    Correct. Food is absudly cheap. So much so that supermarkets are throwing barrel loads of the stuff away. The other absurdity is Mr g and his fantasies.
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