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  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The agony continues for South Carolina post Hurricane Joaquin.

    After 2 feet of rain in a day, and many breached dams, the storm water is now flowing down rivers towards the coast. Several coastal areas are being evacuated.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MP_SE said:

    Pulpstar said:

    How on earth is "Europe" relating to our security. That's NATO surely !

    Who suggested that?
    Agree about NATO, but 'Europe' can offer different kinds of security, or it could...it has the potential. Issues relating to none military. But even there if we think of Poland it was once a communist satellite.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Vote Leave have the Green peer Jenny Jones on board as well.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Lol Caroline Flint sounds like Labour are giving up. Good. the death of that despicable party will only benefit, well everyone.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,160

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Is that the polish people's party in the lead ?
    The Polish People's Party (the PSL) is on 5% in the latest poll. The Law & Justice Party is currently leading on about 35% in the polls. They would best be described as soft Eurosceptics, who do not wish Poland to leave the EU, but would like integration to have stopped about five minutes ago. They would be good allies to the UK.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,160
    edited 2015 08
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    Longer, really, than Switzerland too. Or Belgium. Or the Netherlands.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 08
    "A cross-party group campaigning to leave the European Union is to support moves to allow a referendum vote for 16 and 17-year-olds, heaping pressure on David Cameron to follow the precedent that was set for last year’s Scottish independence poll.

    Peter Cruddas, the former Conservative party treasurer, and Joe Foster, the entrepreneur who founded Reebok, are among new supporters announced by the campaign, which will be called Vote Leave."


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4580575.ece
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    rcs1000 said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Is that the polish people's party in the lead ?
    The Polish People's Party (the PSL) is on 5% in the latest poll. The Law & Justice Party is currently leading on about 35% in the polls. They would best be described as soft Eurosceptics, who do not wish Poland to leave the EU, but would like integration to have stopped about five minutes ago. They would be good allies to the UK.
    Thanks.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    Longer, really, than Switzerland too. Or Belgium. Or the Netherlands.
    And during that time Scotland prospered under that union.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,160
    AndyJS said:

    "A cross-party group campaigning to leave the European Union is to support moves to allow a referendum vote for 16 and 17-year-olds, heaping pressure on David Cameron to follow the precedent that was set for last year’s Scottish independence poll.

    Peter Cruddas, the former Conservative party treasurer, and Joe Foster, the entrepreneur who founded Reebok, are among new supporters announced by the campaign, which will be called Vote Leave."


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4580575.ece

    No.

    The franchise should be the same as for the General Election. No more, no less.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    Longer, really, than Switzerland too. Or Belgium. Or the Netherlands.
    Very true
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Tim_B said:

    The agony continues for South Carolina post Hurricane Joaquin.

    After 2 feet of rain in a day, and many breached dams, the storm water is now flowing down rivers towards the coast. Several coastal areas are being evacuated.

    Have friends down Florence County, they went off radar for days. Absolute mess. Not a very wealthy part of the state either.

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Interesting... Portillo reckons May was set up by Downing St into giving a speech that made her look an outsider
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Was that Portillo rapping ;-)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Y0kel said:

    Tim_B said:

    The agony continues for South Carolina post Hurricane Joaquin.

    After 2 feet of rain in a day, and many breached dams, the storm water is now flowing down rivers towards the coast. Several coastal areas are being evacuated.

    Have friends down Florence County, they went off radar for days. Absolute mess. Not a very wealthy part of the state either.

    Know it well - hope they are OK.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    AndyJS said:

    "A cross-party group campaigning to leave the European Union is to support moves to allow a referendum vote for 16 and 17-year-olds, heaping pressure on David Cameron to follow the precedent that was set for last year’s Scottish independence poll.

    Peter Cruddas, the former Conservative party treasurer, and Joe Foster, the entrepreneur who founded Reebok, are among new supporters announced by the campaign, which will be called Vote Leave."


    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4580575.ece

    That would be a pure rigging of the electorate.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598
    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    They have better cheerleaders in Dallas though.
    You could argue that the USA was only fixed in 1865.
    Then we have Alaska and Hawaii.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    My God

    Portillo has just dropped a version of NWA 'Straight outta Compton' to end This Week
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    My God

    Portillo has just dropped a version of NWA 'Straight outta Compton' to end This Week

    Still want him fronting Leave?!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 08

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    They have better cheerleaders in Dallas though.
    You could argue that the USA was only fixed in 1865.
    Then we have Alaska and Hawaii.
    Cheerleaders yes, but without Tony and Dez and Sean and Lance, not a better football team :(

    Still America's Team though, but requires increasing amounts of wishful thinking.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,598

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    Thanks! Not much change on 2013 in Cardiff. Amused to see the TUSC still plugging away - honestly, what do we have to do to please these guys?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    Thanks! Not much change on 2013 in Cardiff. Amused to see the TUSC still plugging away - honestly, what do we have to do to please these guys?
    TUSC are eurosceptic and earlier on today announced their intention to form a Leave group:

    http://www.tusc.org.uk/17132/08-10-2015/socialists-to-challenge-ukip-for-exit-eu-crown-says-ex-labour-mp?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited 2015 08

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    Thanks! Not much change on 2013 in Cardiff. Amused to see the TUSC still plugging away - honestly, what do we have to do to please these guys?
    Shift to the left towards Anarcho-Syndicalism?


  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    UKIP ---> LD switchers nearly win them Totnes - 570 v 558

    GRN - 30.1% (-3.4)
    LDEM - 29.5% (+12.1)
    LAB - 22.8% (+3.7)
    CON - 14.2% (+0.1)
    IND - 3.3% (+3.3)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    My God

    Portillo has just dropped a version of NWA 'Straight outta Compton' to end This Week

    Still want him fronting Leave?!
    That was truly bizarre!

    But yes I think I still do!!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Those following the competition for House Speaker.

    Kevin McCarthy, favorite to win, withdrew today - the day of the vote!

    John Boehner and Mitt Romney have called Paul Ryan urging him to run. Ryan has said he won't, and that he can best serve the country by staying as Ways and Means chairman.

    The vote has been delayed.

    This has saturated news coverage today, drowning out potentially major developments in the Clinton email scandal from the Benghazi committee, which could be very damaging to her..
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    True
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135

    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015

    The Momentum seems to be with Trudeau
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Fenster said:

    Farron just made a tit of himself on the living wage/tax credits.

    Tim Farron IS a tit, no question. It looks like LDs are in the same hole as Labour.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    GIN1138 said:

    Question Time audience extraordinarily left wing again? ;)

    Tribal - BBC luvvies love a bit of common, they think it gives them credibility which is nice since it shows a recognition of what they lack; self awareness at its most wasteful.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015

    The Momentum seems to be with Trudeau
    Gary Trudeau, creator of Doonesbury? ;)
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    A hood might serve but he's probably been told he can't wear a hood because of the renewed risk of being hugged by Cameron.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
    I didn't know he rowed
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
    I didn't know he rowed
    - or wanked
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    One more thing I didn't know. You don't have to be a congressman to be speaker of the house - they can vote for anyone.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Disappointing we have no post conference polls yet!

    Traditionally we often see a bit of volatility around conference period.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    isam said:

    Priti just waffles doesn't she? I think I only rated her because she is half tidy

    Nandy looks constantly on the verge of tears

    safe to strike them both off the potential leaders list.
    I must have missed that list. However I must say that the discussion has been distinctly misogynistic.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    But whatever the excesses of the police in the Lord Brittan and related cases, they have been acting in good faith. There are questions to be asked about the bruiser Tom Watson, who has had close dealings both with Jane and Nick, two seemingly unreliable accusers.

    I’ve no doubt he is genuinely enraged by paedophilia, and he said yesterday he had been concerned with helping victims. It is also true he has passed evidence to police in at least one other instance that led to a successful prosecution. However, his motivations in the case of Lord Brittan may not be entirely pure.

    Why did he prevail on the Metropolitan Police to reopen their case against Lord Brittan? Was he driven by a simple love of justice? Or did he also relish the chance to damage a prominent Tory? A few days after the former Cabinet Minister’s death, Mr Watson reiterated in the Daily Mirror his conviction he was guilty of multiple child rape.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3264327/Corbyn-s-deputy-troubling-questions-VIP-abuse-fiasco-STEPHEN-GLOVER-Tom-Watson-s-campaign-trash-Leon-Brittan-s-name.html
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
    Wasn't aware he had had a stroke but I've seen him do the "take off the glasses" thing a few times starting on Election Night. And it always looks bloody stupid. He doesn't blink when he keeps his glasses on.

    I don't know where he got the advice, if he thinks it might help him to the SNP leadership after Sturgeon but, frankly, there isn't going to be any leader other than Humza Yousaf, so I don't know what he's trying to be honest.

    He justs end up looking stupid. Constant blinking does not come across well.
    It might be instinctive if you're drowning.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Danny565 said:

    Oh God, Roger Helmer and his "gay porn moustache" on next week.

    Has the director moved from "Get me out of here ..."
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The NHL started its season last night - TWO SECONDS into the Flames Canucks game, there was a fight.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Good night to you and good riddance to Dair and his crass comments.
    You must forgive him. He's Scottish so knows no better.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    isam said:

    Amazing,... Andrew Neil, Michael Portillo and Caroline Flint all praising Putin

    I thought Caroline Flint came across as quite adult particularly in the context of today's Labour. Worth a punt? No innuendo now! Putin is not as stupid as USA paints him
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    notme said:

    Disappointing we have no post conference polls yet!

    Traditionally we often see a bit of volatility around conference period.

    There will be some on Sunday certainly
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015

    The Momentum seems to be with Trudeau
    Gary Trudeau, creator of Doonesbury? ;)
    A distant relative? Night
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    That would be the leader of Yes Scotland in the Western Isles that got 87% of the vote?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    MP_SE said:

    Vote Leave have the Green peer Jenny Jones on board as well.

    Is peer similar to plank? Oh no, I've just realised I've spelt it wrong.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    isam said:

    Amazing,... Andrew Neil, Michael Portillo and Caroline Flint all praising Putin

    I thought Caroline Flint came across as quite adult particularly in the context of today's Labour. Worth a punt? No innuendo now! Putin is not as stupid as USA paints him
    Absolutely. Putin is an Alpha male, and if he sees weakness in others he doesnt flinch in exploiting them.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    Thanks! Not much change on 2013 in Cardiff. Amused to see the TUSC still plugging away - honestly, what do we have to do to please these guys?
    Shift to the left towards Anarcho-Syndicalism?
    Anarcho-Syndicalism appears to be identical to fascism. Which kind of makes Situationists comical. Which they are supposed to be. I think.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Good night to you and good riddance to Dair and his crass comments.
    You must forgive him. He's Scottish so knows no better.
    So are my wife and her identical twin sister, but they do.

    On the other hand they have not lived there for forty years. Wait, do you think....
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 09

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    USA is not a nation, Russia is not a nation. You really should go easy on the Buckie. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is what we are. We'll still be that even if, god willing, you FO.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015

    The Momentum seems to be with Trudeau
    Gary Trudeau, creator of Doonesbury? ;)
    A distant relative? Night
    an unfortunate name - Justin.

    His dad was PM when I lived in Canada, and the whole Maggie T thing was in full flight.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:


    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.

    USA is not a nation, Russia is not a nation. You really should go easy on the Buckie. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is what we are. We'll still be that even if, god willing, you FO.
    So imperialism is good and self-determination is bad.

    Good to know.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    scotch, haggis, irn bru, Oor Wullie, flat sausage, wee frees, para handy....

    Yup, that should do it ;)
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!
    Not where I live ;)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dair said:

    What happened in those two by-elections yesterday?

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Riverside (Cardiff) result
    LAB 45.9% (-0.8)
    PC 33.5% (+2.3)
    CON 6.6% (-1.1)
    UKIP 4.7% (+4.7)
    GRN 4.7% (-3.3)
    LD 3.6% (-0.2)
    TUSC 0.9% (-1.8)

    And an Indy got an absolute landslide in the Western Isles.
    Thanks! Not much change on 2013 in Cardiff. Amused to see the TUSC still plugging away - honestly, what do we have to do to please these guys?
    Shift to the left towards Anarcho-Syndicalism?
    Anarcho-Syndicalism appears to be identical to fascism. Which kind of makes Situationists comical. Which they are supposed to be. I think.
    How so? AS proposes the abolition of the state, Fascism worships it.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    But whatever the excesses of the police in the Lord Brittan and related cases, they have been acting in good faith. There are questions to be asked about the bruiser Tom Watson, who has had close dealings both with Jane and Nick, two seemingly unreliable accusers.

    I’ve no doubt he is genuinely enraged by paedophilia, and he said yesterday he had been concerned with helping victims. It is also true he has passed evidence to police in at least one other instance that led to a successful prosecution. However, his motivations in the case of Lord Brittan may not be entirely pure.

    Why did he prevail on the Metropolitan Police to reopen their case against Lord Brittan? Was he driven by a simple love of justice? Or did he also relish the chance to damage a prominent Tory? A few days after the former Cabinet Minister’s death, Mr Watson reiterated in the Daily Mirror his conviction he was guilty of multiple child rape.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3264327/Corbyn-s-deputy-troubling-questions-VIP-abuse-fiasco-STEPHEN-GLOVER-Tom-Watson-s-campaign-trash-Leon-Brittan-s-name.html

    I struggle with the concept of Watson having had a pure thought; a slug in human (nearly) form
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    notme said:

    isam said:

    Amazing,... Andrew Neil, Michael Portillo and Caroline Flint all praising Putin

    I thought Caroline Flint came across as quite adult particularly in the context of today's Labour. Worth a punt? No innuendo now! Putin is not as stupid as USA paints him
    Absolutely. Putin is an Alpha male, and if he sees weakness in others he doesnt flinch in exploiting them.

    In truth he'd have to be blind not to see the weakness in the West's dealings with Syria. Slam dunk is I believe the USA vernacular.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Good night to you and good riddance to Dair and his crass comments.
    You must forgive him. He's Scottish so knows no better.
    So are my wife and her identical twin sister, but they do.

    On the other hand they have not lived there for forty years. Wait, do you think....
    Nature or nurture?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    A batch of 4 new polls seem to confirm a Liberal surge in Canada:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2015

    The Momentum seems to be with Trudeau
    Gary Trudeau, creator of Doonesbury? ;)
    A distant relative? Night
    an unfortunate name - Justin.

    His dad was PM when I lived in Canada, and the whole Maggie T thing was in full flight.
    Yes, looks like the restoration of a Canadian political dynasty, goodnight
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    Christ, that Buckie must be good!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 09

    Tim_B said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Good night to you and good riddance to Dair and his crass comments.
    You must forgive him. He's Scottish so knows no better.
    So are my wife and her identical twin sister, but they do.

    On the other hand they have not lived there for forty years. Wait, do you think....
    Nature or nurture?
    That or swapping Irn Bru for Coke Zero or mac 'n' cheese, which in the South is a vegetable.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dair said:

    Dair said:


    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.

    USA is not a nation, Russia is not a nation. You really should go easy on the Buckie. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is what we are. We'll still be that even if, god willing, you FO.
    So imperialism is good and self-determination is bad.

    Good to know.
    Self determination's ultimate destination is a pygmy state. You may be on the way to proving it.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    The Whitehouse reaction to Putin making a goat out of Obama over Syria is pathetic.

    Trying to brush it off and adopting a patronising tone that Putin's moves are a strategic mistake is such bull. Maybe it is, but it sure hell is no worse a mistake that the shambles of the current administration's policy on Syria. Everything was subjugated to Obama's desire for a bit of peace making history with Iran, a hollow deal if ever there was one and he intends not top upset that applecart even if the US is made look like a useless lump.

    Memo to the President. Don't sit there saying its a mistake on Putin's part, help make it one. Russians are surprisingly sensitive to their young men being sent into a meat grinder.

    Apparently Congress is to look into US intelligence failures in failing to see what the Russians were upto. Problem is, there was no failure, the agencies knew, they just didn't want to face up to it because they knew it wouldn't go down well with the boss.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    scotch, haggis, irn bru, Oor Wullie, flat sausage, wee frees, para handy....

    Yup, that should do it ;)
    You missed out Buckie, tinnies and Trainspotting
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Sir Nick Faldo has gone on record as saying he thinks it's unlikely that Tiger will win another major.

    It's always sad to come to the the end of an era, but I think we're there.

    We now have the Big Four to take his place - Rickie, Rory, Jordan and Jason.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    scotch, haggis, irn bru, Oor Wullie, flat sausage, wee frees, para handy....

    Yup, that should do it ;)
    You missed out Buckie, tinnies and Trainspotting
    Buckie is a tonic wine (I think?) which they have elsewhere too, people trainspot everywhere, and I think a tinnie is a can of beer, available everywhere.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!
    Not where I live ;)
    I never could figure out why the yanks tried to call their game (which in conceptual terms is a more a steal from rugby) football where, if you needed to kick a ball, you summoned a special player who did nothing other than kick the ball (over the bar - sounds familiar?). Are you American or Canadian? If you come from anywhere else on the planet the name of the game (THE GAME) is FOOTBALL. COYS.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 09

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.
    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.
    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)
    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK
    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.
    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!
    Not where I live ;)
    I never could figure out why the yanks tried to call their game (which in conceptual terms is a more a steal from rugby) football where, if you needed to kick a ball, you summoned a special player who did nothing other than kick the ball (over the bar - sounds familiar?). Are you American or Canadian? If you come from anywhere else on the planet the name of the game (THE GAME) is FOOTBALL. COYS.
    Rugby is called 'Rugby football' is it not?

    Born and raised in England, have lived here for 35 years, US and UK citizen.

    COYS?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    scotch, haggis, irn bru, Oor Wullie, flat sausage, wee frees, para handy....

    Yup, that should do it ;)
    You missed out Buckie, tinnies and Trainspotting
    Buckie is a tonic wine (I think?) which they have elsewhere too, people trainspot everywhere, and I think a tinnie is a can of beer, available everywhere.
    There are Scottish angles which you may not be aware of or, if you are, you're choosing to ignore.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    By your criteria you can disqualify most if not all of the civilised world which obviously leaves Scotland qualified.
    Scotland pretty much is the entire civilised world.

    We did invent the modern world, after all.
    scotch, haggis, irn bru, Oor Wullie, flat sausage, wee frees, para handy....

    Yup, that should do it ;)
    You missed out Buckie, tinnies and Trainspotting
    Buckie is a tonic wine (I think?) which they have elsewhere too, people trainspot everywhere, and I think a tinnie is a can of beer, available everywhere.
    There are Scottish angles which you may not be aware of or, if you are, you're choosing to ignore.
    I'm probably not aware.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.

    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.

    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)

    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK

    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.

    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!

    Not where I live ;)

    I never could figure out why the yanks tried to call their game (which in conceptual terms is a more a steal from rugby) football where, if you needed to kick a ball, you summoned a special player who did nothing other than kick the ball (over the bar - sounds familiar?). Are you American or Canadian? If you come from anywhere else on the planet the name of the game (THE GAME) is FOOTBALL. COYS.

    Rugby is called 'Rugby football' is it not?

    In the rugby world the only differentiating adjective is "union" or "league".
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Y0kel said:

    The Whitehouse reaction to Putin making a goat out of Obama over Syria is pathetic.

    Trying to brush it off and adopting a patronising tone that Putin's moves are a strategic mistake is such bull. Maybe it is, but it sure hell is no worse a mistake that the shambles of the current administration's policy on Syria. Everything was subjugated to Obama's desire for a bit of peace making history with Iran, a hollow deal if ever there was one and he intends not top upset that applecart even if the US is made look like a useless lump.

    Memo to the President. Don't sit there saying its a mistake on Putin's part, help make it one. Russians are surprisingly sensitive to their young men being sent into a meat grinder.

    Apparently Congress is to look into US intelligence failures in failing to see what the Russians were upto. Problem is, there was no failure, the agencies knew, they just didn't want to face up to it because they knew it wouldn't go down well with the boss.

    Anything that doesn't fit Obama's world view he either ignores or minimizes. His world view doesn't change in spite of experience.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Good night Tim
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited 2015 09


    Britain doesn't even pretend to be a nation. It is a state of made up of constituent countries. There's nothing consolidated or even unified in that. It is nothing close to a nation. It makes Poland sound like a real place.

    What a load of rubbish. The UK has been united for 3 centuries, longer than Germany, Italy, Canada and the United States.

    That has to be true - the UK is responsible for the existence of the United States. ;)

    Well no arguing with that. Of course the Republic of Texas only joined the US in 1845 and California in 1848, around 130 years after Scotland joined the UK

    And soccer is as bad in both as Dair says it is in Scotland.

    SOCCER? The game is FOOTBALL!!!

    Not where I live ;)

    I never could figure out why the yanks tried to call their game (which in conceptual terms is a more a steal from rugby) football where, if you needed to kick a ball, you summoned a special player who did nothing other than kick the ball (over the bar - sounds familiar?). Are you American or Canadian? If you come from anywhere else on the planet the name of the game (THE GAME) is FOOTBALL. COYS.

    Rugby is called 'Rugby football' is it not?

    In the rugby world the only differentiating adjective is "union" or "league".

    So why does the web page talk about the RFU?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_Union

    I know League - I could do a passable Eddie Waring impression

    Boy, did you screw up the formatting on this one ;)
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Tim_B said:

    Y0kel said:

    The Whitehouse reaction to Putin making a goat out of Obama over Syria is pathetic.

    Trying to brush it off and adopting a patronising tone that Putin's moves are a strategic mistake is such bull. Maybe it is, but it sure hell is no worse a mistake that the shambles of the current administration's policy on Syria. Everything was subjugated to Obama's desire for a bit of peace making history with Iran, a hollow deal if ever there was one and he intends not top upset that applecart even if the US is made look like a useless lump.

    Memo to the President. Don't sit there saying its a mistake on Putin's part, help make it one. Russians are surprisingly sensitive to their young men being sent into a meat grinder.

    Apparently Congress is to look into US intelligence failures in failing to see what the Russians were upto. Problem is, there was no failure, the agencies knew, they just didn't want to face up to it because they knew it wouldn't go down well with the boss.

    Anything that doesn't fit Obama's world view he either ignores or minimizes. His world view doesn't change in spite of experience.
    I know I am a long way away and I am mostly ignorant of the details but there does seem to be something horribly wrong with the US political system, at least when it come to choosing presidents.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Good night Tim

    Good night.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Y0kel said:

    The Whitehouse reaction to Putin making a goat out of Obama over Syria is pathetic.

    Trying to brush it off and adopting a patronising tone that Putin's moves are a strategic mistake is such bull. Maybe it is, but it sure hell is no worse a mistake that the shambles of the current administration's policy on Syria. Everything was subjugated to Obama's desire for a bit of peace making history with Iran, a hollow deal if ever there was one and he intends not top upset that applecart even if the US is made look like a useless lump.

    Memo to the President. Don't sit there saying its a mistake on Putin's part, help make it one. Russians are surprisingly sensitive to their young men being sent into a meat grinder.

    Apparently Congress is to look into US intelligence failures in failing to see what the Russians were upto. Problem is, there was no failure, the agencies knew, they just didn't want to face up to it because they knew it wouldn't go down well with the boss.

    Anything that doesn't fit Obama's world view he either ignores or minimizes. His world view doesn't change in spite of experience.
    I know I am a long way away and I am mostly ignorant of the details but there does seem to be something horribly wrong with the US political system, at least when it come to choosing presidents.
    Certainly this one. He is the most divisive president (deliberately so - he does identity politics) in my lifetime. He's visiting the Oregon massacre town tomorrow, even though they've asked him not to come.

    Hopefully we'll do better next time.

    My best friend has been going though NHS treatment for myeloma. He had a stem cell transplant in July. He had his blood tested last week - his numbers are fantastic and he is in remission. He has now started on a 'trial' for a drug which was approved here in 2006. What is wrong with these people?

    Poor bugger - 2 days after getting his great bloodwork numbers his father died. As his daughter told me - it's been a roller coaster week.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Tim_B said:



    Certainly this one. He is the most divisive president (deliberately so - he does identity politics) in my lifetime. He's visiting the Oregon massacre town tomorrow, even though they've asked him not to come.

    Hopefully we'll do better next time.

    My best friend has been going though NHS treatment for myeloma. He had a stem cell transplant in July. He had his blood tested last week - his numbers are fantastic and he is in remission. He has now started on a 'trial' for a drug which was approved here in 2006. What is wrong with these people?

    Poor bugger - 2 days after getting his great bloodwork numbers his father died. As his daughter told me - it's been a roller coaster week.

    What a bugger for your friend, a prize from God and a kick in the bollocks at the same time. Sometimes I think Terry Pratchett had it right - there are numerous Gods and they like to play games.

    Now then, Mr. B, just because the Septics say a drug is safe doesn't mean it's safe in Europe. A total bloody nonsense and I thought it had been squared away years ago with both sides agreeing to accept the findings of the other's FDA or equivalent. Completely daft that it hasn't been (probably down to the French, most problems in Europe are and always have been), which can only add to the sum of human suffering and costs.

    Mind you the attitude of the medical profession over here to pharmaceuticals can be a bit strange. There was a proposal a while ago to allow patients who were terminally ill and beyond any further treatment, save palliative care, to volunteer to try out new drugs that could help them but in doing so short circuit the normal drug testing regime. The British Medical Association objected strongly because taking such drugs could harm the patient.

    Going back to the US President situation. Obama might be an extreme example but you haven't really had a good one for a long time and now it seems, if her old man wasn't bad enough, there is a fair chance La Clinton will be elected. I mean, all the scandals that got hushed up the first time around would disqualify the woman from even having her name put forward anywhere in Europe and that is without considering her performance as Secretary of State. Yet from this distance there doesn't seem to be a serious, good candidate on either side of the party divide.

    In a nation the size of the USA there must be a goodly number of people who would make fantastic presidents yet the system seems to have stopped allowing them to come to the fore.
  • Close local byelection results with Greens holding Totnes and Tories gaining and LDs holding one each in Goldsworth.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    So the story from local councils seems to be that the Corbyn effect is pretty much no effect. He isn't storming to victory nor repelling current voters in droves. It's almost as if the voters haven't really noticed him.
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