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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    The problem with someone from industry is that they can be accused of having a vested interests. They'd have to pick them well so it's not a company that benefits from cheap labour or EU grants.
    Richard Branson would be ideal
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,876

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    Eddie Izzard. Grant from EAstenders. job done
    Eddie Izzard, Mark Oaten, Reverend Underpants.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Speedy said:

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34478008

    "This new campaign, Vote Leave, is funded by major Conservative donor and City millionaire Peter Cruddas, John Mills, Labour's biggest private financial backer, and Stuart Wheeler, for years a Tory donor but more recently a supporter of UKIP."

    "The expectation is that they will spend up to £20m, around half the amount the Tories spent in the 12 months before the election.
    And it will fold in three existing campaign groups: Conservatives for Britain, Business for Britain and the Labour Leave campaign."

    They won't be short of resources.

    Goodnight
    I'll be donating whatever I can.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    A spokesmen from big business (such as the CBI and IoD) might not necessarily help them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Ooops

    Four Russian cruise missiles fired at Syria from the Caspian Sea landed in Iran

    http://bbc.in/1Mi3l6V
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739
    JEO said:

    Looks interesting and what a lot of PBers have been saying for a while

    "Vote leave - take control."

    The message of a new, cross-party campaign vying to get the UK to leave the EU could hardly be clearer.

    On Friday, the group, which contains politicians and, crucially, financial backers from across the political spectrum, launches officially.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

    Fantastic news. It must be kept warm, positive and internationalist in tone to win.
    Lawson, Hoey and Carswell is a fantastic line-up that covers all the bases.
    Very pleased with this development. Hope to see more Labour figures and particularly some union figures join as well.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    The problem with someone from industry is that they can be accused of having a vested interests. They'd have to pick them well so it's not a company that benefits from cheap labour or EU grants.
    Richard Branson would be ideal
    No - he's no longer a British resident.

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    A spokesmen from big business (such as the CBI and IoD) might not necessarily help them.
    Barrow boy made good would be fine though
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    I think it's a trigger for a second referendum.

    I think the vow promised Scotland to qualify for all future tournaments.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Have the seismometers detected any tectonic activity in South Thanet this evening?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Looks like the Mail and the Brittan family are going after Tom Watson

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ0zIHpW8AAqMOP.jpg
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Cyclefree said:

    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    The problem with someone from industry is that they can be accused of having a vested interests. They'd have to pick them well so it's not a company that benefits from cheap labour or EU grants.
    Richard Branson would be ideal
    No - he's no longer a British resident.

    Second choice Sir Fred Goodwin then?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Surely there must be a suitable vacancy for someone with Blatter's abilities in the European Commission?

    Or he could stay in Europe by becoming a UKIP MEP.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Blimey - within minutes Lord Harris has just pulled out of Business for Britain - one of groups that's part of Vote Leave

    Why?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    Brave.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    I don't think Gibralter can make it either, but all the other British teams are in. Better Together indeed (at least until the Welsh knock us out of another tounament!)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451
    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    Eddie Izzard. Grant from EAstenders. job done
    Eddie Izzard, Mark Oaten, Reverend Underpants.
    Steve Coogan, Martin Freeman and Emma Thompson would also be a great help.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302

    Looks like the Mail and the Brittan family are going after Tom Watson

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ0zIHpW8AAqMOP.jpg

    Must be confident that T W MP has fouled up.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: Blimey - within minutes Lord Harris has just pulled out of Business for Britain - one of groups that's part of Vote Leave

    Why?
    Harris was part of Business for Britain. They had a policy of wait and see but with a leaning towards Leave if Cameron didn't get substantial reform. It may be he eels that joining a Leave umbrella group at this point when nobody knows what Cameron will finally achieve is pre-emptory.

    Obviously I would say he is wrong but it is possible he has a logical and consistent reasoning behind pulling out.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    Brave.
    Gallus, to be exact.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,739

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
    A self acclaimed Quisling at that, given that you were not the original target of the comment but chose to adopt that shroud yourself.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Looks interesting and what a lot of PBers have been saying for a while

    "Vote leave - take control."

    The message of a new, cross-party campaign vying to get the UK to leave the EU could hardly be clearer.

    On Friday, the group, which contains politicians and, crucially, financial backers from across the political spectrum, launches officially.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

    Absolutely fantastic news and is exactly the sort of organisation I will be happy to campaign for.

    Not sure the poll in the Express with Out on 53% has been mentioned yet:

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/652226806536404992
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    JEO said:

    Looks interesting and what a lot of PBers have been saying for a while

    "Vote leave - take control."

    The message of a new, cross-party campaign vying to get the UK to leave the EU could hardly be clearer.

    On Friday, the group, which contains politicians and, crucially, financial backers from across the political spectrum, launches officially.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

    Fantastic news. It must be kept warm, positive and internationalist in tone to win.
    Lawson, Hoey and Carswell is a fantastic line-up that covers all the bases.
    Very pleased with this development. Hope to see more Labour figures and particularly some union figures join as well.
    I'd like some Liberals (old liberals) and one or two eurosceptic Lib Dems (from the party of "In") to join as well.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Tim Farron on Question Time - do leaders of the "major" parties usually go on it?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548

    Cyclefree said:

    JEO said:

    JEO said:

    I hope the Remain campaign take a leaf out of this new group's book and have a campaign based around impressive independent politicians. If they go down the celebrity route over something as important as our country's future, then it will seriously diminish their side.

    I think they'll go for someone from industry, to push the economic risks of leaving the EU angle to the fore.
    The problem with someone from industry is that they can be accused of having a vested interests. They'd have to pick them well so it's not a company that benefits from cheap labour or EU grants.
    Richard Branson would be ideal
    No - he's no longer a British resident.

    Second choice Sir Fred Goodwin then?
    Naughty!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    MP_SE said:

    Looks interesting and what a lot of PBers have been saying for a while

    "Vote leave - take control."

    The message of a new, cross-party campaign vying to get the UK to leave the EU could hardly be clearer.

    On Friday, the group, which contains politicians and, crucially, financial backers from across the political spectrum, launches officially.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34478008

    Absolutely fantastic news and is exactly the sort of organisation I will be happy to campaign for.

    Not sure the poll in the Express with Out on 53% has been mentioned yet:

    twitter.com/SkyNews/status/652226806536404992
    Be cautious about that poll. The Express do have a history of reporting their own voodoo polls as proper polls.

    I've asked Survation (The Express' usual pollster) if they did this poll, but will be until morning until I find out if they have, as I'm off to bed.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Danny565 said:

    Tim Farron on Question Time - do leaders of the "major" parties usually go on it?

    Speaking too quickly, slow things down and people start to listen.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    "Outward-looking" (as in outward-looking country) has to be one of the most irritating phrases ever.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
    Luke 15:7 and all that TSE ;-)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
    Luke 15:7 and all that TSE ;-)
    I'm more of a Proverbs 5:19 kinda guy
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    There's really no point following the Scottish men's national team, the game in Scotland is on its knees and the club competition is utterly bereft of entertainment or quality.

    The women's team are our better hope for both European and World Cup wins (not just qualification, actual wins). Qualification for Euro 2017 is pretty much certain and the team is not far off being capable of winning. By 2019, I'm quite hopefully Scotland can look for a top 4 finish in the World Cup.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    A few familiar faces in the audience. No one in a fire helmet visible as yet.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,451

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
    No one who favours bashing the French can be considered a Quisling.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    isam said:

    Tim_B said:

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    An argument often cited by cretins on here, so easily dismissed it is embarrassing for them
    Care to explain what is cretinous about it?
    Because the places that are heavily populated by immigrants cannot help but have large population of people who are pro immigrant, being immigrants themselves..

    Tim used this terrible argument all the time regarding polls showing people in London being wildly in favour of immigration, and other left wingers on here, some who are also Tories, regurgitate it.. most people in London are the children of immigrants or are from other parts of the UK.. they are either closely related to immigrants or are "immigrants" themselves

    The places next door to those populated by immigrants are generally anti immigration... precisely because they see the dramatic changes to their nearby towns and don't want it to happen where they live, or have moved from those towns to escape

    I gave the example of Upminster and Hornchurch, where I live, compared to Barking. I can guarantee that v few people indeed move from U&H to B but plenty move in the opposite direction. I would think it rings true from most outer London towns compared to those 5 miles inward.
    I've made immigration something of a hobby, changing my country of residence 6 times over my life, have both UK and US citizenship, and I'm not in favor of mass immigration, particularly if they won't integrate.

    When I lived in Yorkshire as a kid, Bradford was mainly white. When I left there 10 years later in the late 60s, it was mainly what we then called 'pakis'.

    There's nothing theoretical about white flight. You see the results of it here all the time.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307

    "Ulster Scots reach Euro finals"

    Us Northern Ireland lads welcome anyone who wants to join in and follow our wee team in France.

    At a nice little moment like this, I pause for reflection. I think of all the people who want us to cease to exist as a country, some of whom who thought they could bomb us out, others who just tried to patronise us out of existence.....

    You failed. Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it you losers.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Priti Patel is such a stunner. Shame she has all the warmth of a Dalek.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    The most important football news of tonight, in fact ever is this

    Liverpool have appointed Klopp as manager

    which leads to this tweet from last year

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/536541909896798209?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

    I would normally oppose public executions but this is one I'd pay to see even if it didn't take long for lardy to go up in flames.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Danny565 said:

    Priti Patel is such a stunner. Shame she has all the warmth of a Dalek.

    She is no Lisa Nandy...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Interesting that Carswell isn't backing the group that Farage and Banks set up.

    Perceptive... I thought after being called autistic, threatened with deselection by banks after having a blazing row with him, Carswell would have been all over it
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418

    Danny565 said:

    Priti Patel is such a stunner. Shame she has all the warmth of a Dalek.

    She is no Lisa Nandy...
    I was just thinking Lisa Nandy is no Priti Patel!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Danny565 said:

    Priti Patel is such a stunner. Shame she has all the warmth of a Dalek.

    She is no Lisa Nandy...
    I was just thinking Lisa Nandy is no Priti Patel!
    but thank God that both are not Melanie Phillips!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    There's really no point following the Scottish men's national team, the game in Scotland is on its knees and the club competition is utterly bereft of entertainment or quality.

    The women's team are our better hope for both European and World Cup wins (not just qualification, actual wins). Qualification for Euro 2017 is pretty much certain and the team is not far off being capable of winning. By 2019, I'm quite hopefully Scotland can look for a top 4 finish in the World Cup.
    What about the intersex team?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,418
    edited 2015 08
    Dimbleby fails to get Priti to admit to being an Outer. Maybe next year.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    There's really no point following the Scottish men's national team, the game in Scotland is on its knees and the club competition is utterly bereft of entertainment or quality.

    The women's team are our better hope for both European and World Cup wins (not just qualification, actual wins). Qualification for Euro 2017 is pretty much certain and the team is not far off being capable of winning. By 2019, I'm quite hopefully Scotland can look for a top 4 finish in the World Cup.
    There was once an NFL Europe team called the Scottish Claymores. Maybe that's worth a try ;)
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Still seething after the Panorama program this week. That even by the standards of the BBC has to rate as one of the most disgraceful pieces of journalism in its history. All the dirty tricks were pulled, treating Leon Brittan and Harvey Proctor as victims, the attempt to divide the Metropolitan police in the investigation. I'm not Tom Watson's biggest fan by far, but he has done a lot of good work on the child abuse in this country, and was disgracefully attacked during the program. But the worst treatment of all was of Chris Fay, who had 3 shots fired at his house as a warning, and probably knows more than anyone about the goings on at the Elm Guest House. Its a great pity that he has got a conviction against his name for property fraud. The treatment of So vile (Savile) as I like to call him was equally reprehensible - hang on a minute Ceri Thomas and all your wretched helpers with that program, so vile committed these acts over FIVE DECADES and a lot of them in the confines of the BBC. So why should we pay taxpayers money for you to try and discredit the whole idea of a Westminster Paedophile Ring, and oh well the abuse was historical, as if that somehow lessens the heinous crimes that were committed. BBC journalists of the past like Harry Carpenter, David Coleman, Henry Longhurst et al would be turning in their grave at what the BBC has become, a truly wretched organisation that regularly distorts the facts to suit its own agenda.

    I'm off to Rome this weekend, a much needed trip, and can't wait to cram as much as possible into a mad 48 hours!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Tim_B said:

    isam said:

    Tim_B said:

    isam said:

    Cyclefree said:

    An argument often cited by cretins on here, so easily dismissed it is embarrassing for them
    Care to explain what is cretinous about it?
    Because the places that are heavily populated by immigrants cannot help but have large population of people who are pro immigrant, being immigrants themselves..

    Tim used this terrible argument all the time regarding polls showing people in London being wildly in favour of immigration, and other left wingers on here, some who are also Tories, regurgitate it.. most people in London are the children of immigrants or are from other parts of the UK.. they are either closely related to immigrants or are "immigrants" themselves

    The places next door to those populated by immigrants are generally anti immigration... precisely because they see the dramatic changes to their nearby towns and don't want it to happen where they live, or have moved from those towns to escape

    I gave the example of Upminster and Hornchurch, where I live, compared to Barking. I can guarantee that v few people indeed move from U&H to B but plenty move in the opposite direction. I would think it rings true from most outer London towns compared to those 5 miles inward.
    I've made immigration something of a hobby, changing my country of residence 6 times over my life, have both UK and US citizenship, and I'm not in favor of mass immigration, particularly if they won't integrate.

    When I lived in Yorkshire as a kid, Bradford was mainly white. When I left there 10 years later in the late 60s, it was mainly what we then called 'pakis'.

    There's nothing theoretical about white flight. You see the results of it here all the time.
    Don't mention 'White flight' it isn't happening,we keep getting told.

    I could tell you different with the area I live in Bradford,it's happened.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476

    Scott_P said:

    @bbclaurak: New referendum campaign 'Vote Leave - Take Control' going live right now - more on @bbcnews in a min

    @bbclaurak: Campaign has politicians and money from Tory and Labour MPs and donors, and UKIPs Douglas Carswell and cash from Stuart Wheeler

    Already a member of Leave.EU - I will join Vote Leave now as well.
    If you find it, could you send me a link to Vote Leave now.

    I might sign up
    Of course I will. I'd be delighted and honoured to campaign alongside you.
    I'd like to think my campaigning skills are pretty good, as my ability to analyse how it is on the ground (as evidenced by my reports from West Yorkshire during the election campaign)

    I'm still not sure how I'm going to vote, probable Leave due to my old clients in the financial services and banking industries.

    The question is do you want a Quisling on your side?
    No one who favours bashing the French can be considered a Quisling.
    More a public duty.

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Tim_B said:

    Dair said:

    antifrank said:

    Am I right in thinking that Scotland cannae dae it 'cause they didnae qualify?

    There's really no point following the Scottish men's national team, the game in Scotland is on its knees and the club competition is utterly bereft of entertainment or quality.

    The women's team are our better hope for both European and World Cup wins (not just qualification, actual wins). Qualification for Euro 2017 is pretty much certain and the team is not far off being capable of winning. By 2019, I'm quite hopefully Scotland can look for a top 4 finish in the World Cup.
    There was once an NFL Europe team called the Scottish Claymores. Maybe that's worth a try ;)
    IIRC they won the Europe Bowl. Twice.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Dimbleby fails to get Priti to admit to being an Outer. Maybe next year.

    Rather amusingly her father is/was a Kipper.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 08
    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Yup, Law and Justice are definitely going to win, especially after the migrant quota being forced on the people.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Is that the polish people's party in the lead ?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Yikes - even Melanie Phillips criticising tax credit cuts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 08
    The link to the vote leave website

    http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/

    You can donate here

    https://voteleave.nationbuilder.com/donate
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 08
    "ICM polled 1,947 people online on the evening of 7 October 2015. This is the first poll to look at the EU issue since David Cameron’s Conference Speech. The top line is that 44% of people would vote to remain a member of the EU, 39% would vote to leave (excluding ‘Don’t Knows’ it changes to 53% voting to remain, 47% voting to leave).

    However, if you ask people to imagine that that, after the negotiations, the supremacy of EU law over UK law remains as it is now, there is clear shift towards ‘leave’. 43% say they would vote to leave the European Union, 38% say they would vote to remain (excluding ‘Don’t Knows’ it changes to 47% voting to remain, 53% voting to leave).

    When asked how they view the EU, only 32% say that they strongly support the European Union project and are almost sure to vote to stay. 54% say that they either think that the European Union is bad for Britain and Europe and are almost sure to vote to leave (34%) or that they would like to leave the EU but are worried about the effect on jobs and living standards so may vote to stay (20%).

    The public remain thoroughly unconvinced by the rationale for the Single Market. Just 29% of the public agree with the statement ‘Common EU rules make trade and business easier, and the Single Market is good for jobs and living standards’. 57% agree with the statement ‘We can trade and cooperate with Europe without giving away permanent control over the economy to politicians we can't vote out’ (excluding ‘Don’t Knows’ it changes to 66% against 34%)."


    http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/news
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 08
    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    Socialist Nationalist or National Socialist?

    Poland is actually rather lovely!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Wetherspoons have issued a profits warning ?!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Priti is awful. I cannot see how she could be considered leadership material.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449
    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I think the football has got in the way ;-)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 08
    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,449

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I think the football has got in the way ;-)
    One of the many reasons I like Poland!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Some proper politics of envy coming out of the audience here from people without kids :D
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    This Tim Farron chap seems to have a lot to say. Which paper is h from, the Morning Star or a Guardian old schooler?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    £12 an hour !!!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I think the football has got in the way ;-)
    It is not Polands fault. Scotland lost a lot of matches on the way to tonight's match. Theirs was a zombie campaign before the Polish coup-de-grace.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Farron just made a tit of himself on the living wage/tax credits.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    Priti is awful. I cannot see how she could be considered leadership material.

    She has that constant George Osborne snarl on her face. It's terrible.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 08
    Priti has a similar way of talking to Matthew Amroliwala, one of my fav newsreaders
  • KingaKinga Posts: 59
    Scotland will at least achieve 'independence' from rUK for a couple of weeks next summer.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,497
    Question Time audience extraordinarily left wing again? ;)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Some proper politics of envy coming out of the audience here from people without kids :D

    When government incentivises people to have kids, the net result is that the gene pool is diminished.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    That's a good point - will nurseries be getting Gov't bungs with the childcare/living wage joblot ?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    I don't think Hosie has it quite right with Putin/Syria here. Russia's plan is not to leave a void, it is to strengthen the regional bad but not mad dictator Assad.

    Pretty much the opposite of US/UK involvment in Iraq.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 08
    Priti just waffles doesn't she? I think I only rated her because she is half tidy

    Nandy looks constantly on the verge of tears
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    Priti just waffles doesn't she? I think I only rated her because she is half tidy

    Nandy looks constantly on the verge of tears

    safe to strike them both off the potential leaders list.
  • If you have access to LRB they have a interesting breakdown of Corbyn "The Anti Candidate" and the state of the Labour party http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n19/ross-mckibbin/the-anti-candidate
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Yes, Nandy has also been rather unimpressive.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
    Wasn't aware he had had a stroke but I've seen him do the "take off the glasses" thing a few times starting on Election Night. And it always looks bloody stupid. He doesn't blink when he keeps his glasses on.

    I don't know where he got the advice, if he thinks it might help him to the SNP leadership after Sturgeon but, frankly, there isn't going to be any leader other than Humza Yousaf, so I don't know what he's trying to be honest.

    He justs end up looking stupid. Constant blinking does not come across well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    How on earth is "Europe" relating to our security. That's NATO surely !
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited 2015 08
    Oh God, Roger Helmer and his "gay porn moustache" on next week.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    Hosie blinks a lot. Balls always did too.

    Whatever his condition is with his eyes, it seems to be exacerbated by him taking off his specs. Dunno why he's been told to do it because the blinking looks a hell of a lot worse than wearing glasses does.
    Is it related to his stroke ?
    Wasn't aware he had had a stroke but I've seen him do the "take off the glasses" thing a few times starting on Election Night. And it always looks bloody stupid. He doesn't blink when he keeps his glasses on.

    I don't know where he got the advice, if he thinks it might help him to the SNP leadership after Sturgeon but, frankly, there isn't going to be any leader other than Humza Yousaf, so I don't know what he's trying to be honest.

    He justs end up looking stupid. Constant blinking does not come across well.
    It looks an involuntary tic, but taking off the glasses does not help.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,361
    Danny565 said:

    Yes, Nandy has also been rather unimpressive.

    They'd be better bringing out Lisa from Nandos....
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 08
    Andrew Neil ridiculing Theresa Mays speech at length on this week
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Pulpstar said:

    How on earth is "Europe" relating to our security. That's NATO surely !

    Who suggested that?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Conservative GAIN Goldsworth West (Woking) from Liberal Democrat.

    Interesting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    MaxPB said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Polish governing party is seemingly heading for a serious defeat on 25th October. The latest poll puts them on 19% compared to 39% at the last election:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_parliamentary_election,_2015#Opinion_polls

    Poland should be nuked. They have nothing worth preserving and no longer deserve to exist. Also Ireland. What's the point of having nuclear weapons if we refuse to use them.
    I like Poland, what do you loathe about it so much?
    I don't loathe anything about it. It;s just not a country. Bits of Lithuania, bits of Germany, bits of Bohemia, bits of Ukraine, bits of Belarus and pretending to be an actual place. It's much like England, an artificial nation.
    All nations are artificial to some extent, we just choose different points, events and peoples as justifications for whatever tribe we feel closest to. Declaring it unreal, as you have with Britain in the past to my great irritation, is worse than merely insulting them as it shows no respect for others defining themselves and their cultural and national identity as you declare it invalid. Despicable opinion.

    Good night all.
    Good night to you and good riddance to Dair and his crass comments.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited 2015 08
    Amazing,... Andrew Neil, Michael Portillo and Caroline Flint all praising Putin
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited 2015 08
    And

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects

    Liberal Democrat HOLD Goldsworth East (Woking).

    The Tories held Sandford earlier too.

    Figures from the earlier result:

    Goldsworth West (Woking) result:
    CON - 40.0% (+7.0)
    LDEM - 38.0% (+0.4)
    LAB - 11.4% (+1.3)
    UKIP - 10.6% (-8.6)

    The changing nature of the UKIP vote continues apace (they got 23.3% and second place in Bolsover). @election_data tweeted that he thought they would have 12 seats on an election held tomorrow.
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