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With all the focus today being on the George Osborne speech it is inevitable that there has been a fair amount of betting on whether he will in fact become David Cameron’s successor.
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
Disgraceful. I would expect this behaviour from Labour's MEPs but quite suprising to see the Tories getting in on it as well.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
Osborne's biggest weakness amongst the membership - he is very likely to get to the last two - will be his metropolitan sympathies and relaxed views on immigration, and on his pro-EU stance.
All it takes is someone else who is more in tune with the grassroots, and he could easily lose the vote. Election credibility is a card he'll have difficulty in playing because (a) he's not a huge vote winner himself and (b) Labour's leader could well still be Corbyn.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
Disgraceful. I would expect this behaviour from Labour's MEPs but quite suprising to see the Tories getting in on it as well.
Tory Europhiles are the Kim Philby's de nos jours.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
FPT - Osborne's delivery. It was apparently agreed there would be no triumphalism. Also GO should not be seen to be pressing his leadership case too openly, yet. Just thinking...
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
Disgraceful. I would expect this behaviour from Labour's MEPs but quite suprising to see the Tories getting in on it as well.
Tory Europhiles are the Kim Philby's de nos jours.
It is pretty alarming that the pro-EU side are so bereft of arguments that they are trying to use "our EU membership is good because it means we can help other governments pass laws we support against the wishes of their electorates". As if we are naive enough to believe it happens one way round but not the other.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
Given that it's dominating the news, it's surely better to see the primary source for the reports rather than third party accounts? I didn't see it so watching now.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
FPT - Osborne's delivery. It was apparently agreed there would be no triumphalism. Also GO should not be seen to be pressing his leadership case too openly, yet. Just thinking...
I think your thoughts are amongst the more sensible here and of course in the media.
This is right, although there are exceptions of widespread losses that politicians should try to avoid:
- Environmental damage, which may be increased if standards are excessively stripped down. - Sovereignty loss, where deals are enshrined permanently and can not be easily changed. This can lead to a lack of faith in political systems which we all suffer from. - Economic losses to low skill workers in wealthy nations, who can be outcompeted by cheaper labour in poor nations but do not have the skills to move into high skill jobs.
I think to some extent one and two are contradictory. For ensuring environmental rules are standardised is inherently denuding of sovereignty. Agreeing in treaty to not make nitrogen fertilizers in an energy inefficient way is denying the people of that country the right to make a decision on that issue.
Ultimately, all treaties remove power from electorates to a greater or lesser extent, because they bind a country to behave in a certain way. In the case of TIPP or TTP, the ISDS mechanisms means that foreign courts have the ability to impose fines of tens of billions of dollars, such as to effectively limit the sovereignty of domestic politicians.
That, unfortunately, is the reality of free trade deals.
With regards to your final point, I think it's important to understand the motivation of all the players here. The motivation for us in the UK (or in any advanced economy) is to sell the things we are good at: advanced engineering, etc. The motivation for India or China is to use provide markets for their domestic, low skilled, low wage, workers, and to drag them out of poverty. Protecting low skilled workers in the West from competition would probably make any FTA we offered unattractive to the Chinas and Indias of this world.
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
Disgraceful. I would expect this behaviour from Labour's MEPs but quite suprising to see the Tories getting in on it as well.
? This has been dragging on for years. I believe it's maditory to pass on names to the USA within 15 mins of a flight to the USA. Do you want to roll out a red carpet to terrorists? PS I believe the changes put forward by a UK (Tory?) MEP, in Feb15, was to narrow the definition of terror offenses and other serious crime offenses.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
- Attacker turns up without knowledge of victim (n.b. invitor is cleared)
- Gives account of asking for consent, by any account doesn't actually ask the victim
I mean, you ever slept with someone after asking a completely different person if you could?
I don't want to endanger this website by discussing the details of a case that is currently up for review. But my point was that someone got a five year sentence not on the basis that consent was not given, but on the basis that as the woman was drunk she could not consent. Thus my original claim that you can get five years for sleeping with a drunk adult woman was completely correct. Meanwhile a woman can sleep with an eleven year old child and not get a prison sentence.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
- Attacker turns up without knowledge of victim (n.b. invitor is cleared)
- Gives account of asking for consent, by any account doesn't actually ask the victim
I mean, you ever slept with someone after asking a completely different person if you could?
I don't want to endanger this website by discussing the details of a case that is currently up for review. But my point was that someone got a five year sentence not on the basis that consent was not given, but on the basis that as the woman was drunk she could not consent. Thus my original claim that you can get five years for sleeping with a drunk adult woman was completely correct. Meanwhile a woman can sleep with an eleven year old child and not get a prison sentence.
Capacity is, under the law, a logically anterior question to the fact of consent.
It is clearly possible to be too drunk to consent (Bree being the most important case in this line). The only cases I'm aware of to have succeeded are where the victim is passed out at the time, or has passed out shortly before the act of intercourse.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
I dunno any of the facts here beyond the article, but it appears to me the problem is that the boys father has an odd idea of boundaries.
That kid is probably confused as hell as to what actually happened.
I don´t follow you. What has the boy´s father´s opinion of anything got to do with it? If a man commits a sexual offence, I don´t think what someone else´s parent thought about it would hold much sway with the judge, and neither should it in this case.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
This sort of treatment is undermining the criminal justice system.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Imagine the outcry if the situation of the two sexual partners aged 11 and 20 had been reversed in gender. Sex with a minor under 13 is an offence where the tariff is 10 years as a starting point for the judge, how he goes from that to "oh well, one was mature and the other immature, let's give her six months suspended" is frankly bollocks.
And yet men get five years for just sleeping with a drunk adult woman.
- Attacker turns up without knowledge of victim (n.b. invitor is cleared)
- Gives account of asking for consent, by any account doesn't actually ask the victim
I mean, you ever slept with someone after asking a completely different person if you could?
I don't want to endanger this website by discussing the details of a case that is currently up for review. But my point was that someone got a five year sentence not on the basis that consent was not given, but on the basis that as the woman was drunk she could not consent. Thus my original claim that you can get five years for sleeping with a drunk adult woman was completely correct. Meanwhile a woman can sleep with an eleven year old child and not get a prison sentence.
Drunkenness does not negate legal consent to sex.
Being so drunk that you've passed out, means you can't legally consent to sex.
FPT - Osborne's delivery. It was apparently agreed there would be no triumphalism. Also GO should not be seen to be pressing his leadership case too openly, yet. Just thinking...
Having just watched the speech now, I didn't think the delivery was that bad. He was slow and deliberate, triumphant without sounding too arrogant about it. Given that his party just won the election he's every right to be that.
I thought his comments on the Northern Powerhouse very telling - this is clearly something in which he passionately believes, and will be a big focus of the next couple of years in policy terms.
@gabyhinsliff: Sat in a fringe meeting where Tories discussing how to win in 2020, reading about a dep union ldr telling rally he's almost glad Lab lost..
@gabyhinsliff: ..given it gave them the chance to get Corbyn as leader. Contrast is so stark it's surreal.
This is disgusting. A 21 year old woman has sex with an 11 year old boy, and she doesn't even get a jail sentence. Does anyone think for a minute that had the genders been reversed, a man wouldn't have gone to jail?
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
I dunno any of the facts here beyond the article, but it appears to me the problem is that the boys father has an odd idea of boundaries.
That kid is probably confused as hell as to what actually happened.
I don´t follow you. What has the boy´s father´s opinion of anything got to do with it? If a man commits a sexual offence, I don´t think what someone else´s parent thought about it would hold much sway with the judge, and neither should it in this case.
Reading a little more on this case reveals that the father of the boy had a prior sexual relationship with the woman involved. One might think that his comments to the judge were designed to help her out by leading the judge towards a severely reduced sentence compared to the tariff.
Over the past 48 hours, delegates, MPs, journalists and exhibitors who are attending the annual gathering of the nation’s governing party have been punched, spat at, kicked, subjected to racist abuse, sexist abuse and other general threats of violence. Fascist street-craft is being deployed in the name of the progressive majority.
Over the past 48 hours, delegates, MPs, journalists and exhibitors who are attending the annual gathering of the nation’s governing party have been punched, spat at, kicked, subjected to racist abuse, sexist abuse and other general threats of violence. Fascist street-craft is being deployed in the name of the progressive majority.
World Rugby are investigating claims that two England coaches broke the rules by approaching the match officials in the tunnel at half-time of their 33-13 defeat by Australia at Twickenham on Saturday.
Over the past 48 hours, delegates, MPs, journalists and exhibitors who are attending the annual gathering of the nation’s governing party have been punched, spat at, kicked, subjected to racist abuse, sexist abuse and other general threats of violence. Fascist street-craft is being deployed in the name of the progressive majority.
Given the notice of the protest there are probably also police (Special Branch, TSG) and spooks embedded with the nutters, to ensure there were no genuine threats against the government and its ministers among all the egg throwing and placard waving.
I feel sorry for the Dan Hodges' and Southam Observer's of this world. They have had their party taken over by people who appear not to believe in democracy.
Obviously. As is this. 2 people, who were both members of a completely apolitical organisation, who both coincidentally happen to be candidates for the same political party.
Over the past 48 hours, delegates, MPs, journalists and exhibitors who are attending the annual gathering of the nation’s governing party have been punched, spat at, kicked, subjected to racist abuse, sexist abuse and other general threats of violence. Fascist street-craft is being deployed in the name of the progressive majority.
Sometimes I sympathise for the moderate Labour folk who have seen their party swamped and taken over by the extremists. But then I remember that they were very happy to slam the Tories as evil while overlooking the bigotry by the Diane Abbotts of the world in their own ranks. They allowed the nastiness to fester and are now paying for their own double standard.
@STVNews: The Lord Advocate will answer questions over allegations against the solicitor acting for MP Michelle Thomson. http://t.co/GQN5aOONxI
Quite an odd thing to do if the Lord Advocate had any contemplation of bringing charges here. We should be able to tell tomorrow where they are at by the questions he doesn't answer.
But the Crown Office is sitting smug on this. They acted in 6 days. It is the Law Society that have questions to answer.
Does he not understand that if he starts every speech with an attack on the media then he will end up with only RT and the Morning Star covering him? What chance that next year's conference is boycotted by the Lobby after the way they've been treated in the last 48 hours..?
Thanks. *Starts writing letter to the Bishop and Dean*
He's from South Africa, so he won't care about your complaint.
Does he really not care about being associated with protestors throwing eggs, spitting and swearing at the democratically elected government..? Not to mention a number of journalists and charity workers trying to go about their legitimate business in Manchester.
Corbyn does an anti-Osborne speech, he's turned the volume up and moved his thanks for his campaign in the middle of his speech rather than at the beginning. Light on specifics, heavy on ideology and very loud.
@JoshMay_PH: Stop the War's Lindsay German gets a big cheers as she tells Labour MPs: "Agree with Jeremy or shut up" #Peoplespost #newpolitics
That simply cannot be right. I'm sure Nick Palmer told us that Jeremy was the collegiate sort of chap willing to have a debate and not impose his views. I didn't dream that, did I?
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
Thanks. *Starts writing letter to the Bishop and Dean*
He's from South Africa, so he won't care about your complaint.
Does he really not care about being associated with protestors throwing eggs, spitting and swearing at the democratically elected government..? Not to mention a number of journalists and charity workers trying to go about their legitimate business in Manchester.
You were not about to write a letter to complain about that though, you were about to complain about Corbyn.
Thanks. *Starts writing letter to the Bishop and Dean*
He's from South Africa, so he won't care about your complaint.
Does he really not care about being associated with protestors throwing eggs, spitting and swearing at the democratically elected government..? Not to mention a number of journalists and charity workers trying to go about their legitimate business in Manchester.
You were not about to write a letter to complain about that though, you were about to complain about Corbyn.
Unfortunately for everyone involved, any distinction between the various protest groups in Manchester is very blurred indeed.
Corbyn would have been much better off staying the hell out of town, and those giving him succour would do well to reflect on how that looks to the general public, given the activities of the protestors over the past 48 hours.
@PickardJE: Natalie Bennett of Greens, who got 3.8 per cent in May:
"We are the many, they are the few."
Ugh, that pisses me off so much. Unless we include all non-Tory voters as a monolithic bloc dedicated to opposing the Tories, and even if we include all non-voters as being part of that bloc, the Tories at least have proof of some level of direct support from the GE which is larger than that of the Greens or their follow travelers.
We've already been told people voting Tory didn't know the implications of what they were doing, now apparently those voting Tory just don't count at all. Even if one thinks the Tories only care about the few, they still got voted in by the many. I was not among that many, I voted LD in the end (almost Green, if only for the laughs, as I want small parties to do well), but I'd probably pretend I did if confronted by that band of loonies, who always seem to believe they speak for the majority no matter how much the majority let them down at the ballot box.
Just been reading the General Boles twitter feed that has an excellent summary of what is being said at the Corbyn even, as are posters below. He seems surrounded by people that are deluded currently, he needs a practical person to help him out. Any takers?
O/T Ominous reports if true. Russia offered base in Iraq. China to use carrier to attack Syria targets. Would give link but web site said to be risky if accessed.
A bit more of the anger in him this time, as befits a protest I suppose. I must say I do find him a reasonably magnetic speaker, although it seems greedy to get airtime at his own conference and still seek attention at another one.
Just been reading the General Boles twitter feed that has an excellent summary of what is being said at the Corbyn even, as are posters below. He seems surrounded by people that are deluded currently, he needs a practical person to help him out. Any takers?
I believe Mandelson is too busy updating his Linked In account. Or something.
A bit more of the anger in him this time, as befits a protest I suppose. I must say I do find him a reasonably magnetic speaker, although it seems greedy to get airtime at his own conference and still seek attention at another one.
There used to be conventions about that sort of thing. The line between ignorant and pig ignorant is sometimes blurry.
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
85% of the electorate do not receive tax credits.
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010. 4.5m families in 2013/2014.
Just been reading the General Boles twitter feed that has an excellent summary of what is being said at the Corbyn even, as are posters below. He seems surrounded by people that are deluded currently, he needs a practical person to help him out. Any takers?
I believe Mandelson is too busy updating his Linked In account. Or something.
Nah, I'm sure Caroline Lucas is being texted as we speak. She represent the majority in this country donchaknow.
A bit more of the anger in him this time, as befits a protest I suppose. I must say I do find him a reasonably magnetic speaker, although it seems greedy to get airtime at his own conference and still seek attention at another one.
As I said many weeks ago, Corbyn would be lousy to have at a boardgame, as he likes to break the rules so much I can imagine him burning rulebooks at the fireplace instead of wood.
A bit more of the anger in him this time, as befits a protest I suppose. I must say I do find him a reasonably magnetic speaker, although it seems greedy to get airtime at his own conference and still seek attention at another one.
There used to be conventions about that sort of thing. The line between ignorant and pig ignorant is sometimes blurry.
The Conservative leadership really won't mind on this occasion.
O/T Ominous reports if true. Russia offered base in Iraq. China to use carrier to attack Syria targets. Would give link but web site said to be risky if accessed.
I've seen that reported elsewhere as well.
The most interesting bit for me is the carrier: if the Chinese have managed to get both aircraft, crew and ship ready to perform high-tempo operations then it'll be a massively impressive and significant effort. They only did their first touch-and-go landing on the Lianoing two or three years ago.
It's hard to know what good the Lianoing would do in theatre without the capability to perform high-tempo operations.
O/T Ominous reports if true. Russia offered base in Iraq. China to use carrier to attack Syria targets. Would give link but web site said to be risky if accessed.
I've seen that reported elsewhere as well.
The most interesting bit for me is the carrier: if the Chinese have managed to get both aircraft, crew and ship ready to perform high-tempo operations then it'll be a massively impressive and significant effort. They only did their first touch-and-go landing on the Lianoing two or three years ago.
It's hard to know what good the Lianoing would do in theatre without the capability to perform high-tempo operations.
You can call it a practice drill, to see how they can do in a real combat situation. Also according to CNN the US suspects the russians are going to start ground operations in Syria soon.
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
85% of the electorate do not receive tax credits.
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010. 4.5m families in 2013/2014.
It will go under 4m soon.
These cuts are going to send tens of thousands in to a spiral of debt that it will be impossible to get out of...as a result of the way that it is structured it is nigh on impossible to earn your way out of debt because for every pound the recipient earns in salary they will lose 80 pence (48% tax credits, 12% NIC an 20% PAYE) and more importantly for Osborne it hits those on £20k+ with kids
If we go into politics, we go into our union work, we go into our lives on the basis that what we say we hope is of value, what the other person says we hope is of value, and we engage in an intelligent, civilised debate, not responding to personal abuse and not making personal abuse."
A bit more of the anger in him this time, as befits a protest I suppose. I must say I do find him a reasonably magnetic speaker, although it seems greedy to get airtime at his own conference and still seek attention at another one.
There used to be conventions about that sort of thing. The line between ignorant and pig ignorant is sometimes blurry.
The Conservative leadership really won't mind on this occasion.
Yeah, I think we agreed about that earlier in the day. The gap between what is being done in the hall and the yobs outside is painful and Corbyn is an idiot to go anywhere near it. But we knew that already.
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
85% of the electorate do not receive tax credits.
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010. 4.5m families in 2013/2014.
It will go under 4m soon.
These cuts are going to send tens of thousands in to a spiral of debt that it will be impossible to get out of...as a result of the way that it is structured it is nigh on impossible to earn your way out of debt because for every pound the recipient earns in salary they will lose 80 pence (48% tax credits, 12% NIC an 20% PAYE) and more importantly for Osborne it hits those on £20k+ with kids
Sorry, but that is bollocks. What is the debt you talk about?
No mention of the increased minimum wage, or of the massive rise in personal allowances since 2010. No-one working less than 30 hours on minimum wage is paying any income tax at all.
Under the last Labour government, working 24 hours a week could leave you worse off than working 16 - where is the incentive there to do more work?
Pottering through more posts on twitter and there are quite a few Labour MPs making their feelings clear about about the Corbyn meeting tonight..... Blimey. It appears the new politics is about to be tested, the ability for MPs to openly criticise their leader on social media as they speak at a public meeting but I think that large sections of the Corbynistas will not take kindly to it. The new politics is for certain people only, not Tories, not Lib Dems, no UKIP....just certain sections of the left.
If we go into politics, we go into our union work, we go into our lives on the basis that what we say we hope is of value, what the other person says we hope is of value, and we engage in an intelligent, civilised debate, not responding to personal abuse and not making personal abuse."
– JEREMY CORBYN
Not responding to personal abuse...
There is only so long that he can distance himself from people that actively support him, technically of course they are not his responsibility but in the eyes of the public I doubt there will be that clear seperation.
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
85% of the electorate do not receive tax credits.
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010. 4.5m families in 2013/2014.
It will go under 4m soon.
These cuts are going to send tens of thousands in to a spiral of debt that it will be impossible to get out of...as a result of the way that it is structured it is nigh on impossible to earn your way out of debt because for every pound the recipient earns in salary they will lose 80 pence (48% tax credits, 12% NIC an 20% PAYE) and more importantly for Osborne it hits those on £20k+ with kids
It hits those on £20k with kids where there is only one parent or where only one parent is working.
If two parents are both working anything like near full-time their household income will be way, way above £20k.
Tax credits are by and large a huge subsidy for people with children where there is only only parent (or only one parent works).
In my view it is outrageous that a single person earning £15k gets zero tax credits. But a single person with two children earning £30k gets tax credits. Or a couple with only one working earning £30k gets tax credits.
These changes will lead to major behavioural change.
For starters they will encourage couples on low to middle incomes to stay together - because they will know that if they split the huge subsidy for single parents with children will no longer be so generous.
As for the effective rate of tax - in future any couple with two children and a household income of just £29k - not much if both parents work - won't be getting tax credits at all - so every extra pound they earn they keep 68p - a very good incentive indeed for them both to work and to further their careers to earn more.
I'm still not convinced that the Tax Credit issue won't come back to haunt Osborne...I've wittered on here about it months ago about the impact of these cuts that are truly eye-watering
85% of the electorate do not receive tax credits.
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010. 4.5m families in 2013/2014.
It will go under 4m soon.
These cuts are going to send tens of thousands in to a spiral of debt that it will be impossible to get out of...as a result of the way that it is structured it is nigh on impossible to earn your way out of debt because for every pound the recipient earns in salary they will lose 80 pence (48% tax credits, 12% NIC an 20% PAYE) and more importantly for Osborne it hits those on £20k+ with kids
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-eu-is-used-to-bypass-national-democracy-home-office-minister-admits-a6680341.html
Karen Bradley told a fringe meeting at Conservative party conference that other countries sometimes asked British MEPs to push legislation through the European Parliament so it could not be blocked by their own national legislatures.
She used the example of mandatory passenger name records on flights, which she said British MEPs were currently pushing through in Brussels for an unnamed country.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11911629/Babysitter-spared-jail-after-having-sex-with-boy-aged-11.html
I'm utterly sick of how judges always let women off easy.
Look at the case last week of the woman who killed a man on her estate and was given a light sentence because she was a single mother.
Yes, the victim seems to have been an unrepentant paedophile but taking a kitchen knife with you when you go to visit and then using that knife to kill him seems to warrant more than just a couple of years behind bars.
Odds on Osborne must also be related to the EU referendum, if DC goes down there, then GO probably goes with him.
All it takes is someone else who is more in tune with the grassroots, and he could easily lose the vote. Election credibility is a card he'll have difficulty in playing because (a) he's not a huge vote winner himself and (b) Labour's leader could well still be Corbyn.
http://www.debka.com/article/24926/Chinese-warplanes-to-join-Russian-air-strikes-in-Syria-Russia-gains-Iraqi-air-base
Agence France-Presse @AFP 2m2 minutes ago #BREAKING Russian air force says hit '10 Islamic State targets' in Syria Monday
Beyond weird.
Will be increased I imagine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFCY5VfT1lM
Put it this way, if he'd wanted to do her the biggest favour he could, he would have said what he did.
- Victim is blackout drunk
- Attacker turns up without knowledge of victim (n.b. invitor is cleared)
- Gives account of asking for consent, by any account doesn't actually ask the victim
I mean, you ever slept with someone after asking a completely different person if you could?
Ultimately, all treaties remove power from electorates to a greater or lesser extent, because they bind a country to behave in a certain way. In the case of TIPP or TTP, the ISDS mechanisms means that foreign courts have the ability to impose fines of tens of billions of dollars, such as to effectively limit the sovereignty of domestic politicians.
That, unfortunately, is the reality of free trade deals.
With regards to your final point, I think it's important to understand the motivation of all the players here. The motivation for us in the UK (or in any advanced economy) is to sell the things we are good at: advanced engineering, etc. The motivation for India or China is to use provide markets for their domestic, low skilled, low wage, workers, and to drag them out of poverty. Protecting low skilled workers in the West from competition would probably make any FTA we offered unattractive to the Chinas and Indias of this world.
This has been dragging on for years. I believe it's maditory to pass on names to the USA within 15 mins of a flight to the USA.
Do you want to roll out a red carpet to terrorists?
PS
I believe the changes put forward by a UK (Tory?) MEP, in Feb15, was to narrow the definition of terror offenses and other serious crime offenses.
That kid is probably confused as hell as to what actually happened.
It is clearly possible to be too drunk to consent (Bree being the most important case in this line). The only cases I'm aware of to have succeeded are where the victim is passed out at the time, or has passed out shortly before the act of intercourse.
Being so drunk that you've passed out, means you can't legally consent to sex.
I thought his comments on the Northern Powerhouse very telling - this is clearly something in which he passionately believes, and will be a big focus of the next couple of years in policy terms.
@gabyhinsliff: ..given it gave them the chance to get Corbyn as leader. Contrast is so stark it's surreal.
"We are the many, they are the few."
@JoeWatts_: Natalie Bennett is playing Corbyn's warm up act. The Greens have a real problem in their hands #CPC15
Where is Neil these days?
Why would he be? He's Tory Scum after all.
One assumes there will be video of these assaults as well as police witnesses. If there are not arrests in the coming days expect pressure on GM Police to explain why.
Given the notice of the protest there are probably also police (Special Branch, TSG) and spooks embedded with the nutters, to ensure there were no genuine threats against the government and its ministers among all the egg throwing and placard waving.
I feel sorry for the Dan Hodges' and Southam Observer's of this world. They have had their party taken over by people who appear not to believe in democracy.
https://twitter.com/cllrnormanwork/status/588416432989458432
Nothng to see here.
Sometimes I sympathise for the moderate Labour folk who have seen their party swamped and taken over by the extremists. But then I remember that they were very happy to slam the Tories as evil while overlooking the bigotry by the Diane Abbotts of the world in their own ranks. They allowed the nastiness to fester and are now paying for their own double standard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN-NpqYjrLc
And here:
http://media.cwu.org/peoplespostlive.html
But the Crown Office is sitting smug on this. They acted in 6 days. It is the Law Society that have questions to answer.
Does he not understand that if he starts every speech with an attack on the media then he will end up with only RT and the Morning Star covering him? What chance that next year's conference is boycotted by the Lobby after the way they've been treated in the last 48 hours..?
Not to mention a number of journalists and charity workers trying to go about their legitimate business in Manchester.
Light on specifics, heavy on ideology and very loud.
He's so out of touch from reality that he nominated Liz Kendall.
Corbyn would have been much better off staying the hell out of town, and those giving him succour would do well to reflect on how that looks to the general public, given the activities of the protestors over the past 48 hours.
We've already been told people voting Tory didn't know the implications of what they were doing, now apparently those voting Tory just don't count at all. Even if one thinks the Tories only care about the few, they still got voted in by the many. I was not among that many, I voted LD in the end (almost Green, if only for the laughs, as I want small parties to do well), but I'd probably pretend I did if confronted by that band of loonies, who always seem to believe they speak for the majority no matter how much the majority let them down at the ballot box.
He seems surrounded by people that are deluded currently, he needs a practical person to help him out. Any takers?
Tories have done an astonishingly good job in weaning the electorate off them without adverse political impacts.
6.3m families in 2009/2010.
4.5m families in 2013/2014.
It will go under 4m soon.
The most interesting bit for me is the carrier: if the Chinese have managed to get both aircraft, crew and ship ready to perform high-tempo operations then it'll be a massively impressive and significant effort. They only did their first touch-and-go landing on the Lianoing two or three years ago.
It's hard to know what good the Lianoing would do in theatre without the capability to perform high-tempo operations.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/a3083096.html
Also according to CNN the US suspects the russians are going to start ground operations in Syria soon.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/05/politics/russia-ground-campaign-syria-isis/
You would need 160 thousand troops for an effective operation in Syria though, I can't see Russia putting in more than 10 thousand at best.
– JEREMY CORBYN
Not responding to personal abuse...
No mention of the increased minimum wage, or of the massive rise in personal allowances since 2010. No-one working less than 30 hours on minimum wage is paying any income tax at all.
Under the last Labour government, working 24 hours a week could leave you worse off than working 16 - where is the incentive there to do more work?
Blimey.
It appears the new politics is about to be tested, the ability for MPs to openly criticise their leader on social media as they speak at a public meeting but I think that large sections of the Corbynistas will not take kindly to it. The new politics is for certain people only, not Tories, not Lib Dems, no UKIP....just certain sections of the left.
If two parents are both working anything like near full-time their household income will be way, way above £20k.
Tax credits are by and large a huge subsidy for people with children where there is only only parent (or only one parent works).
In my view it is outrageous that a single person earning £15k gets zero tax credits. But a single person with two children earning £30k gets tax credits. Or a couple with only one working earning £30k gets tax credits.
These changes will lead to major behavioural change.
For starters they will encourage couples on low to middle incomes to stay together - because they will know that if they split the huge subsidy for single parents with children will no longer be so generous.
As for the effective rate of tax - in future any couple with two children and a household income of just £29k - not much if both parents work - won't be getting tax credits at all - so every extra pound they earn they keep 68p - a very good incentive indeed for them both to work and to further their careers to earn more.
The electorate is nearly 50 million.