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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685

    Charles said:


    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    Was it here?
    Syon Lodge was a small 20,000 square foot house in West London by the Thames...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    Jonathan said:

    felix said:

    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    That might be more of a curse than a blessing, considering they are predominantly hardline left wingers.
    They're not hardliners that's just spin.
    They voted for Corbyn in a four-way choice. Of course they're hardliners.
    FWIW you're deluding yourself. Please carry on.
    There isn't much to engage with unless you provide a counter-argument.
    I don't need to. Was happy to see perfectly normal membership at local CLP. People voted for Corbyn for many reasons. Chief amongst those was change. That does not make you hardline.
    "perfectly normal membership at local CLP." No such thing - in any party!
    I thought that was a given. Was boringly par for the course.
    Yes but the fact that those people have had a collective breakdown after a poor GE and chosen to elect the worst of a lousy bunch of contenders does not make Jeremy Corbyn an electable leader. The party has thrown its collective toys out of the pram and pleased Charlotte Church ffs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - FIFA sponsor Visa has joined Coca-Cola and McDonald's in calling on Sepp Blatter to immediately step down as #FIFA president
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The Labour Party leader was allegedly pictured holding an inflatable penis - but only after seeking assurances the photographs wouldn't be published.
    dr_spyn said:
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685
    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCBreaking: Major Fifa sponsors Coca-Cola and McDonalds call for Sepp Blatter to step down immediately as president http://t.co/BXeKxJKnKF

    Once the Sponsors start pulling the plug, that really IS the end.
    I do hope so. Shadsy owes me if Blatter is gone by the end of the year.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    I misread that as "Prisoners to be sold"
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Charles said:


    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    Was it here? http://youtu.be/6wertH16rSI
    Is that Aruba?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997



    More than just pretty shoes then?

    In more ways than you could imagine. I was a solo pilot for 12 years although I lapsed and got into sailing. Now I have a skipper's licence for yachts up to 78ft in length.

    I also cook and do shoes.....
    Always knew there were hidden depths.... But the Marianas Trench?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    Well they are not going to be able to do anything against Assad now without risking WW3, so both sides will end up bombing ISIS by default (even if the FSA get bombed a little by the Russians as well)
    There is no FSA left to bomb, most have defected to al-Nusra and the rest were killed by ISIS. This idea that the FSA are some kind of strong democratic army is a joke and only believed by a few select fools.
    Of course the Russians are now bombing al-Nusra too
    I should think so. They are as bad as ISIS, the only difference being that the Turks and Saudi's fund al-Nusra directly rather than covertly like they do with ISIS.

    Obama has a lot to answer for in Syria, his response to the crisis has been appalling and his appeasement of Sunni militant groups in order to keep Saudi Arabia on side has been a disaster policy for the region. Alawites, Shia and other minority people are being slaughtered by ISIS and al-Nusra as well as other Islamist groups and the US are not only doing very little to stop it, but are tacitly supporting a few of the groups under the guise of supporting the now non-existent FSA because the Islamist groups want to topple Assad who has Russian support. It is the cold war by proxy with Assad and Russia on the one side and the US and Sunni groups on the other. Obama has allowed the US to be allied with Islamists in order to oppose Russia, this is a very big failure.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    MTimT said:

    Charles said:


    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    Was it here? http://youtu.be/6wertH16rSI
    Is that Aruba?
    ST Maarten in the Carribean
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    MTimT said:

    JEO said:


    Because Heathrow repeatedly promised over a number of years that there would be no third runway.

    So what we are talking about in terms of equity is the loss in value (to house price/quality of living) due to the incremental increase in noise pollution of those who were there before the decision to add the third runway was announced.

    But it still brings you back to the question, why not there rather than somewhere else? Unless you are arguing that UK plc's airport capacity should be permanently capped at current levels.

    For me, the answer to that question would include a component that at least pretty much everyone living near Heathrow chose to live there knowing there would be noise pollution at some level, so it is less of an imposition to build up capacity there than in another location where there currently is no noise pollution and presumably the absence of noise pollution played into purchase decisions and house prices.
    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    This is clearly some strange new meaning of the word "little" that that I wasn't previously aware of.
    It's smaller than Scotland!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    I misread that as "Prisoners to be sold"
    I thought Gove had been moved to a position where he could do no harm, I was wrong.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    The front page says nothing about prisons being sold though. Perhaps on page 2? Not sure I'd support privatisation of prisons.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    If you have a mouse then get the whole command and conquer series and Civ. C&C is great fun, the Red Alert series especially so.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Anything by Joni Nuutinen. Keep you absorbed for hours.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256



    More than just pretty shoes then?

    In more ways than you could imagine. I was a solo pilot for 12 years although I lapsed and got into sailing. Now I have a skipper's licence for yachts up to 78ft in length.

    I also cook and do shoes.....
    Always knew there were hidden depths.... But the Marianas Trench?
    Sorry, I have no qualifications in diving bells.... yet! (Note: I refuse to waste time getting certified / licensed for trains)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    edited October 2015
    In Greenville, South Carolina, Jeb Bush, arguing against calls for gun control after major tragedy, says, "stuff happens."

    http://www.politico.com/video/2015/10/jeb-bush-on-mass-shootings-stuff-happens-027599
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I glanced at it - it seems to be selling off the old prisons for demolition for home building.
    RobD said:

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    The front page says nothing about prisons being sold though. Perhaps on page 2? Not sure I'd support privatisation of prisons.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    Charles said:


    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    Was it here? http://youtu.be/6wertH16rSI
    Is that Aruba?
    ST Maarten in the Carribean
    Thanks
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    JEO said:

    TOPPING said:


    Yes I'm sure but it's his priveleged position to be able to do all that instead of work hard, grind out a career, fight for what he believes in when the stakes are not academic but real.

    That's what he's never done, despite his supposed rebelliousness.

    Since when did people from privileged backgrounds not work hard and grind out careers? Lawyers, management consultants, investment bankers and CEOs are dominated by the upper class but are some of the hardest working people out there. By all accounts he is a hard working constituency MP and canvasser, in addition to being the deputy chairman of a policy group and campaigning on London-wide issues. And given by how quickly he has put together a very quality website, it looks like he has been putting in the time on his mayoral campaign too. You don't do all that through coasting on your money and name.
    Quite
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    RobD said:

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    The front page says nothing about prisons being sold though. Perhaps on page 2? Not sure I'd support privatisation of prisons.

    I think it's been a disaster in the US. Adds agency issues to something that is already difficult enough to get right.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    I glanced at it - it seems to be selling off the old prisons for demolition for home building.

    RobD said:

    Saturday's Times front page: Prisons to be sold in Gove's new revolution #tomorrowspaperstoday via @suttonnick http://t.co/ZvRZslb9xi

    The front page says nothing about prisons being sold though. Perhaps on page 2? Not sure I'd support privatisation of prisons.
    Some of those old prisons are dire. Hope they are sold to fund new ones.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    Well they are not going to be able to do anything against Assad now without risking WW3, so both sides will end up bombing ISIS by default (even if the FSA get bombed a little by the Russians as well)
    There is no FSA left to bomb, most have defected to al-Nusra and the rest were killed by ISIS. This idea that the FSA are some kind of strong democratic army is a joke and only believed by a few select fools.
    Of course the Russians are now bombing al-Nusra too
    I should think so. They are as bad as ISIS, the only difference being that the Turks and Saudi's fund al-Nusra directly rather than covertly like they do with ISIS.

    Obama has a lot to answer for in Syria, his response to the crisis has been appalling and his appeasement of Sunni militant groups in order to keep Saudi Arabia on side has been a disaster policy for the region. Alawites, Shia and other minority people are being slaughtered by ISIS and al-Nusra as well as other Islamist groups and the US are not only doing very little to stop it, but are tacitly supporting a few of the groups under the guise of supporting the now non-existent FSA because the Islamist groups want to topple Assad who has Russian support. It is the cold war by proxy with Assad and Russia on the one side and the US and Sunni groups on the other. Obama has allowed the US to be allied with Islamists in order to oppose Russia, this is a very big failure.
    Does anyone recall Rambo III "This film is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan" or this:

    https://twitter.com/JustSikko/status/306058567667044352/photo/1

    Not in the White House or most of the US government it seems.
    They have to sort their priorities.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    rcs1000 said:

    I have a radical idea WRT Heathrow.

    The reason noise pollution is such a big problem at Heathrow is because it is to the West of London, and the runways run East-West. Therefore, aircraft either take-off over densely populated areas, or have their landing approach over them.

    Why not reorient the runways so they go North-South? We'd get to re-use all the (incredibly expensive) infrastructure that's already in place. But we'd have flight going over the M25 and the lakes and not over Barnes.

    Sure, it would be expensive and difficult, and we'd need to build two runways to the West of the M25 before we did anything else. But it seems it would be a better option than almost anything else suggested.

    AIUI wind is the problem there. Our prevailing wind are from the SW, and less often from the south. Planes prefer to land or take-off into or away from the wind, and they hate crosswinds. Gatwick also has W-E runways, and I think Luton does as well. Stansted is SW-NE.
    You are, in essence, correct. It is not that aircraft prefer to land or take off into the wind, it is an essential safety requirement to reduce landing or take off speed (relative to the ground) and thus reduce errors in landing. The other option is much, much longer runways due to much longer (and faster) landing/take-off runs.

    Crosswinds exert a force proportional to the Sine of the angle of the crosswind and the runway centreline. In an aircraft like the 737, with its oversize tail, that can lead to weathercocking where the nose of the aircraft cannot be prevented from turning into the wind. Generally speaking, crosswinds with a cross runway component of 20 to 25 knots is usually enough to suspend takeoffs.

    Most runways in the UK are between compass headings 240 and 300 (it varies from place to place depending on local geography)
    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034



    More than just pretty shoes then?

    In more ways than you could imagine. I was a solo pilot for 12 years although I lapsed and got into sailing. Now I have a skipper's licence for yachts up to 78ft in length.

    I also cook and do shoes.....
    Always knew there were hidden depths.... But the Marianas Trench?
    So no license for this. A friend is in the process of building a dock/mooring facility for these beasties, and this particular yacht would be the target for his first client (if I have got the story straight)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_yachts_by_length#/media/File:Yacht_Dubai_on_8_May_2008.jpg
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    MTimT said:

    JEO said:


    Because Heathrow repeatedly promised over a number of years that there would be no third runway.

    So what we are talking about in terms of equity is the loss in value (to house price/quality of living) due to the incremental increase in noise pollution of those who were there before the decision to add the third runway was announced.

    But it still brings you back to the question, why not there rather than somewhere else? Unless you are arguing that UK plc's airport capacity should be permanently capped at current levels.

    For me, the answer to that question would include a component that at least pretty much everyone living near Heathrow chose to live there knowing there would be noise pollution at some level, so it is less of an imposition to build up capacity there than in another location where there currently is no noise pollution and presumably the absence of noise pollution played into purchase decisions and house prices.
    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    This is clearly some strange new meaning of the word "little" that that I wasn't previously aware of.
    It's smaller than Scotland!
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:


    The ability to see the landing gear on planes was one reason why we didn't bid on a fun little place called Syon Lodge a few years ago...

    Was it here?
    Syon Lodge was a small 20,000 square foot house in West London by the Thames...
    It was cheap on a per square foot basis!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    HYUFD said:

    In Greenville, South Carolina, Jeb Bush, arguing against calls for gun control after major tragedy, says, "stuff happens."

    http://www.politico.com/video/2015/10/jeb-bush-on-mass-shootings-stuff-happens-027599

    He could have said anything else to try to excuse it, he could have used the old constitution excuse, or the it's people not guns excuse, or the crazy drug makers excuse, but "stuff happens" is really no excuse.
    His opponents in the GOP are going to use arguments against gun control not "stuff happens".
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Danny565 said:

    One wonders if Boris is regretting not going for a 3rd term.

    Underneath all that buffoonery Boris seems as shrewd as they come, so definitely NOT
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Speedy said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    Well they are not going to be able to do anything against Assad now without risking WW3, so both sides will end up bombing ISIS by default (even if the FSA get bombed a little by the Russians as well)
    There is no FSA left to bomb, most have defected to al-Nusra and the rest were killed by ISIS. This idea that the FSA are some kind of strong democratic army is a joke and only believed by a few select fools.
    Of course the Russians are now bombing al-Nusra too
    I should think so. They are as bad as ISIS, the only difference being that the Turks and Saudi's fund al-Nusra directly rather than covertly like they do with ISIS.

    Obama has a lot to answer for in Syria, his response to the crisis has been appalling and his appeasement of Sunni militant groups in order to keep Saudi Arabia on side has been a disaster policy for the region. Alawites, Shia and other minority people are being slaughtered by ISIS and al-Nusra as well as other Islamist groups and the US are not only doing very little to stop it, but are tacitly supporting a few of the groups under the guise of supporting the now non-existent FSA because the Islamist groups want to topple Assad who has Russian support. It is the cold war by proxy with Assad and Russia on the one side and the US and Sunni groups on the other. Obama has allowed the US to be allied with Islamists in order to oppose Russia, this is a very big failure.
    Does anyone recall Rambo III "This film is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan" or this:

    https://twitter.com/JustSikko/status/306058567667044352/photo/1

    Not in the White House or most of the US government it seems.
    They have to sort their priorities.
    It is a repeat of Afghanistan. As I said, it is the cold war by proxy.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,709

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    Well they are not going to be able to do anything against Assad now without risking WW3, so both sides will end up bombing ISIS by default (even if the FSA get bombed a little by the Russians as well)
    There is no FSA left to bomb, most have defected to al-Nusra and the rest were killed by ISIS. This idea that the FSA are some kind of strong democratic army is a joke and only believed by a few select fools.
    Of course the Russians are now bombing al-Nusra too
    I should think so. They are as bad as ISIS, the only difference being that the Turks and Saudi's fund al-Nusra directly rather than covertly like they do with ISIS.

    Obama has a lot to answer for in Syria, his response to the crisis has been appalling and his appeasement of Sunni militant groups in order to keep Saudi Arabia on side has been a disaster policy for the region. Alawites, Shia and other minority people are being slaughtered by ISIS and al-Nusra as well as other Islamist groups and the US are not only doing very little to stop it, but are tacitly supporting a few of the groups under the guise of supporting the now non-existent FSA because the Islamist groups want to topple Assad who has Russian support. It is the cold war by proxy with Assad and Russia on the one side and the US and Sunni groups on the other. Obama has allowed the US to be allied with Islamists in order to oppose Russia, this is a very big failure.
    Indeed, however Syria is increasingly becoming a proxy war between the Assad and his minority Shia Alawites backed by Russia and Iran and Sunni rebel groups backed by Saudi and Turkey. The fall of the Sunni Saddam Hussein in Iraq has boosted the Shias who form the government now and comprise the majority of the country, however in Syria the Shia Assad has now lost control of the country to rebel groups from the majority Sunni community
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Danny565 said:

    One wonders if Boris is regretting not going for a 3rd term.

    3 buckets of spit are still 3 buckets of spit.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Plants Vs Zombies...
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Sleeping, thinking, crosswords, & reading worked for me when flying for filial duty. Digitally, you can get some darned good chess programs these days.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
    I must say I liked the idea of the franchise, for a truly in-depth strategy experience, but it rather intimidated me when I tried it.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Surely pro-3rd runway voters should vote Khan. He can accept it as an imposition from an opposing government in a way that Zac cannot. Though it is a pisspoor choice from the big 2 parties.

    Even though it is the wrong side of London for us midlanders, I find Gatwick better than Heathrow. Of course developing either Birmingham or Manchester as a hub would do the country far more good.

    Your preference for Gatwick seems quite extraordinary given the extra mileage. Don't you have to pass Heathrow to get to Gatwick? I'm intrigued to know what compensates and then some for this seemingly huge disadvantage.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    kle4 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
    I must say I liked the idea of the franchise, for a truly in-depth strategy experience, but it rather intimidated me when I tried it.
    Start with Europa Universalis, it's 80% off on Steam at the moment I think.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    Well they are not going to be able to do anything against Assad now without risking WW3, so both sides will end up bombing ISIS by default (even if the FSA get bombed a little by the Russians as well)
    There is no FSA left to bomb, most have defected to al-Nusra and the rest were killed by ISIS. This idea that the FSA are some kind of strong democratic army is a joke and only believed by a few select fools.
    Of course the Russians are now bombing al-Nusra too
    I should think so. They are as bad as ISIS, the only difference being that the Turks and Saudi's fund al-Nusra directly rather than covertly like they do with ISIS.

    Obama has a lot to answer for in Syria, his response to the crisis has been appalling and his appeasement of Sunni militant groups in order to keep Saudi Arabia on side has been a disaster policy for the region. Alawites, Shia and other minority people are being slaughtered by ISIS and al-Nusra as well as other Islamist groups and the US are not only doing very little to stop it, but are tacitly supporting a few of the groups under the guise of supporting the now non-existent FSA because the Islamist groups want to topple Assad who has Russian support. It is the cold war by proxy with Assad and Russia on the one side and the US and Sunni groups on the other. Obama has allowed the US to be allied with Islamists in order to oppose Russia, this is a very big failure.
    Does anyone recall Rambo III "This film is dedicated to the brave mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan" or this:

    https://twitter.com/JustSikko/status/306058567667044352/photo/1

    Not in the White House or most of the US government it seems.
    They have to sort their priorities.
    It is a repeat of Afghanistan. As I said, it is the cold war by proxy.
    What about priorities?
    Is getting rid of Assad worth an Islamic caliphate in the middle east?

    I think western middle east policy is simply a huge gamble based on oil and opinion polls, the mess in Libya for example was created because opinion polls in 2011 had Cameron and Sarkozy down, so they wanted to increase their standing in the opinion polls by invading and bombing a third world country in order to appear strong.
    No strategy or policy, just yougov.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997



    More than just pretty shoes then?

    In more ways than you could imagine. I was a solo pilot for 12 years although I lapsed and got into sailing. Now I have a skipper's licence for yachts up to 78ft in length.

    I also cook and do shoes.....
    Always knew there were hidden depths.... But the Marianas Trench?
    Sorry, I have no qualifications in diving bells.... yet! (Note: I refuse to waste time getting certified / licensed for trains)
    I can see you in a mini-sub. You don't need to change your shoes....
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    JEO said:

    Are there actually fewer people north and south of Heathrow than there are east and west? North and south is still London whereas west is out into the countryside.

    I believe HRH likes to watch the planes
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Speedy said:

    What about priorities?
    Is getting rid of Assad worth an Islamic caliphate in the middle east?

    I think western middle east policy is simply a huge gamble based on oil and opinion polls, the mess in Libya for example was created because opinion polls in 2011 had Cameron and Sarkozy down, so they wanted to increase their standing in the opinion polls by invading and bombing a third world country in order to appear strong.
    No strategy or policy, just yougov.

    Of course not, I think I have made my views on this quite clear, we need to bring Assad in from the cold. The creation of a Caliphate would be a disaster for the whole region and a massive backwards step for our influence there.

    The Saudi's can bugger off for all I care their goals in the region are reprehensible.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
    I must say I liked the idea of the franchise, for a truly in-depth strategy experience, but it rather intimidated me when I tried it.
    Start with Europa Universalis, it's 80% off on Steam at the moment I think.
    Can you play Steam games without an internet connection?

    I thoroughly recommend Warhammer Dawn of War.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    Surely pro-3rd runway voters should vote Khan. He can accept it as an imposition from an opposing government in a way that Zac cannot. Though it is a pisspoor choice from the big 2 parties.

    Even though it is the wrong side of London for us midlanders, I find Gatwick better than Heathrow. Of course developing either Birmingham or Manchester as a hub would do the country far more good.

    Your preference for Gatwick seems quite extraordinary given the extra mileage. Don't you have to pass Heathrow to get to Gatwick? I'm intrigued to know what compensates and then some for this seemingly huge disadvantage.
    The mess that is Heathrow compensates more than enough to drive a little extra to the next airport down the line.
    Luton airport is paradise compared to Heathrow.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    MP_SE said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
    I must say I liked the idea of the franchise, for a truly in-depth strategy experience, but it rather intimidated me when I tried it.
    Start with Europa Universalis, it's 80% off on Steam at the moment I think.
    Can you play Steam games without an internet connection?

    I thoroughly recommend Warhammer Dawn of War.
    Yes, Steam has an offline mode.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    The British people will vote to leave the European Union unless Brussels gives "substantial and irreversible" reforms to the UK, Philip Hammond has warned.

    In a significant hardening of the Government’s language on the prospect of a British exit from the EU, Mr Hammond made clear that the UK Government is not bluffing when it tells leaders on the continent that a Britain could opt to leave.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11908593/Philip-Hammond-Britain-will-vote-no-if-EU-does-not-back-down.html
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Surely pro-3rd runway voters should vote Khan. He can accept it as an imposition from an opposing government in a way that Zac cannot. Though it is a pisspoor choice from the big 2 parties.

    Even though it is the wrong side of London for us midlanders, I find Gatwick better than Heathrow. Of course developing either Birmingham or Manchester as a hub would do the country far more good.

    Your preference for Gatwick seems quite extraordinary given the extra mileage. Don't you have to pass Heathrow to get to Gatwick? I'm intrigued to know what compensates and then some for this seemingly huge disadvantage.
    Parking is easy and the flights are not delayed. The extra half hour is worth it. Luton is poor too. Stanstead is alright. Ryanair are slowly getting better.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MaxPB said:

    Speedy said:

    What about priorities?
    Is getting rid of Assad worth an Islamic caliphate in the middle east?

    I think western middle east policy is simply a huge gamble based on oil and opinion polls, the mess in Libya for example was created because opinion polls in 2011 had Cameron and Sarkozy down, so they wanted to increase their standing in the opinion polls by invading and bombing a third world country in order to appear strong.
    No strategy or policy, just yougov.

    Of course not, I think I have made my views on this quite clear, we need to bring Assad in from the cold. The creation of a Caliphate would be a disaster for the whole region and a massive backwards step for our influence there.

    The Saudi's can bugger off for all I care their goals in the region are reprehensible.
    The good thing about low oil prices is that now you can afford to bugger off the Saudis, after all they are the ones now losing tons of money per second and they can't afford to continue their spending without going bankrupt in a few years time.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    MaxPB said:

    MP_SE said:

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    JEO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Crusader Kings for anyone that enjoys history and political scheming.
    I must say I liked the idea of the franchise, for a truly in-depth strategy experience, but it rather intimidated me when I tried it.
    Start with Europa Universalis, it's 80% off on Steam at the moment I think.
    Can you play Steam games without an internet connection?

    I thoroughly recommend Warhammer Dawn of War.
    Yes, Steam has an offline mode.
    Thanks.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - Budweiser owner Anheuser-Busch has joined #FIFA sponsors Coca-Cola, Mcdonald's and Visa in calling for Sepp Blatter to step down
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    rcs1000 said:

    OK PBer's:

    The week after next I'm travelling on business, and will be spending 50 hours on airplanes and airports.

    Can anyone recommend any good games for laptops? (I.e., it has to be a couple of years old because otherwise it's not going to run sensibly.)

    Booker prize shortlist?

    Is it for you or a younger person?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    The British people will vote to leave the European Union unless Brussels gives "substantial and irreversible" reforms to the UK, Philip Hammond has warned.

    In a significant hardening of the Government’s language on the prospect of a British exit from the EU, Mr Hammond made clear that the UK Government is not bluffing when it tells leaders on the continent that a Britain could opt to leave.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11908593/Philip-Hammond-Britain-will-vote-no-if-EU-does-not-back-down.html

    Translation: "we're not bluffing, honest, alright we are".

    The biggest millstone for Remain is of course George Osborne leading it, along with immigration and the continuous bursts of the eurozone crisis and the EU penny pinching more and more funds and ignoring Britain in it's decision making (the list is endless really).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - Budweiser owner Anheuser-Busch has joined #FIFA sponsors Coca-Cola, Mcdonald's and Visa in calling for Sepp Blatter to step down

    Sounds like it's getting serious - if there's one thing Fifa won't like, it's being criticised by the people who give them money. The only thing worse would be if they stopped giving Fifa money.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Lol from Telegraph

    Ban sackings, scrap the City, create a 3-day week -- the world according to Corbyn's new adviser. http://t.co/h6EnKN5MjJ
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - Budweiser owner Anheuser-Busch has joined #FIFA sponsors Coca-Cola, Mcdonald's and Visa in calling for Sepp Blatter to step down

    Sounds like it's getting serious - if there's one thing Fifa won't like, it's being criticised by the people who give them money. The only thing worse would be if they stopped giving Fifa money.
    That is the only way they will actually bring about change - cut off the money until Blatter goes.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Lol from Telegraph

    Ban sackings, scrap the City, create a 3-day week -- the world according to Corbyn's new adviser. http://t.co/h6EnKN5MjJ

    I hope Mr Corbyn adopts every policy in the book.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    London has always been too big a game for the Lib Dems. Bear in mind that the biggest single election the Lib Dems have won since WWI is Devon County Council.

    London was a weak area for the Lib Dems anyway but their performance in the mayoral elections gives as good an idea as any as to why it won't be a priority next year:

    2000 - 11.9% (4th)
    2004 - 15.3% (3rd)
    2008 - 9.8% (3rd)
    2012 - 4.2% (4th)
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dixie said:

    One of the reasons for low turnout for Tory mayoral race was that Zac was massive favourite to win. He will surprise lots of Londoners. He's a good down to earth lad. And the Assembly Member group of Tories are good, honest working class people too. I'm the candidate in Merton & Wandsworth and I look forward to the hustings with the left. They can't out working class us!

    Being personable, convincing and smart (like ZG) counts for loads. Being the opposite of these things (like JC) also counts loads.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - Budweiser owner Anheuser-Busch has joined #FIFA sponsors Coca-Cola, Mcdonald's and Visa in calling for Sepp Blatter to step down

    Sounds like it's getting serious - if there's one thing Fifa won't like, it's being criticised by the people who give them money. The only thing worse would be if they stopped giving Fifa money.
    It all depends on how much control Blatter has personally on FIFA and if anyone can force him or oust him from inside.
    I think there is no one from inside FIFA that can oust Blatter, so Blatter has to be taken out from the outside, the Swiss police or the FBI are good candidates to do the job.

    Barring that of course, the nuclear option could resurface and FIFA could breakup with the withdrawal of the western football federations and a new rival "FIFA" could emerge to eclipse the existing one, leaving Blatter to command nothing but an empty worthless shell.

  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SkyNewsBreak: Update - Budweiser owner Anheuser-Busch has joined #FIFA sponsors Coca-Cola, Mcdonald's and Visa in calling for Sepp Blatter to step down

    Sounds like it's getting serious - if there's one thing Fifa won't like, it's being criticised by the people who give them money. The only thing worse would be if they stopped giving Fifa money.
    It surely has to be the first stage of stopping the flow of money, else why say it?
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256



    More than just pretty shoes then?

    In more ways than you could imagine. I was a solo pilot for 12 years although I lapsed and got into sailing. Now I have a skipper's licence for yachts up to 78ft in length.

    I also cook and do shoes.....
    Always knew there were hidden depths.... But the Marianas Trench?
    Sorry, I have no qualifications in diving bells.... yet! (Note: I refuse to waste time getting certified / licensed for trains)
    I can see you in a mini-sub. You don't need to change your shoes....
    Actually, I need to buy some shoes tomorrow. Neoprene ones.
  • Goggle box on corbyn?

    Priceless.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,709

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    London has always been too big a game for the Lib Dems. Bear in mind that the biggest single election the Lib Dems have won since WWI is Devon County Council.

    London was a weak area for the Lib Dems anyway but their performance in the mayoral elections gives as good an idea as any as to why it won't be a priority next year:

    2000 - 11.9% (4th)
    2004 - 15.3% (3rd)
    2008 - 9.8% (3rd)
    2012 - 4.2% (4th)
    I was thinking more Richmond perhaps with Vince.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    JEO said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    That might be more of a curse than a blessing, considering they are predominantly hardline left wingers.
    They're not hardliners that's just spin.
    They voted for Corbyn in a four-way choice. Of course they're hardliners.
    FWIW you're deluding yourself. Please carry on.
    There isn't much to engage with unless you provide a counter-argument.
    I don't need to. Was happy to see perfectly normal membership at local CLP. People voted for Corbyn for many reasons. Chief amongst those was change. That does not make you hardline.
    It makes you pretty stupid if it's just change for change's sake
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2015

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    London has always been too big a game for the Lib Dems. Bear in mind that the biggest single election the Lib Dems have won since WWI is Devon County Council.

    London was a weak area for the Lib Dems anyway but their performance in the mayoral elections gives as good an idea as any as to why it won't be a priority next year:

    2000 - 11.9% (4th)
    2004 - 15.3% (3rd)
    2008 - 9.8% (3rd)
    2012 - 4.2% (4th)
    In 2000 and 2004 they suffered from the fact that Ken was at his prime and seen as either an independent or quazi-independent from New Labour, many who disagreed with Blair which included many LD's voted for Livingstone, in 2008 they simply had an appalling candidate.
    I don't need to analyze the 2012 result, one name is enough: Clegg.

  • PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Trains.... must have trains...

    :lol:
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Trains.... must have trains...

    :lol:

    You is loco.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited October 2015
    All the signs are that Labour will fall into the trap of underestimating Zac, thinking they can beat him simply by screaming 'posh, rich, old Etonian'.

    I can tell you now that that won't work. Zac is a very, very good campaigner, and very hard working. He is much more organised, methodical, and calculating than Boris, even if he doesn't have quite as much star quality.

    And, if he does win, I think he'll be more of a thorn in the government's side than Boris has been.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Roger said:

    HYUFD

    "Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/5xu6yg85x7/Internal_Results_150930_Syria_Website.pdf"

    That is so self evidently the sensible solution one wonders how our politicians can be so out of step-

    I reckon we've FU'd up so completely over the arab world in general that we should just stand aside and let Putin give it his best shot. It's win win. He buggers it up then he is a busted flush; if he clears out ISIS, and Assad (with Putin's help) clears out all of the other jehadists, what's not to like . It's just a shame that Saddam and Gaddafi are dead. The Yanks are not particularly good at stopping their people killing each other.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Syria/Iraq

    It appears moves are underway regarding Russian airforce use of Iraqi facilities.

    Even better there is a large Chinese ship sitting in the Med. Its come a long way to fly a flag...
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2015
    Goldsmith pretty poor on the Heathrow thing. His promise only applies as an MP, not as a mayoral candidate. Slippery.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    An awful lot of goodwill as Jim Hacker would say...
    Y0kel said:

    Syria/Iraq

    It appears moves are underway regarding Russian airforce use of Iraqi facilities.

    Even better there is a large Chinese ship sitting in the Med. Its come a long way to fly a flag...


  • PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Trains.... must have trains...

    :lol:

    You is loco.
    You mean to say I've gone off the rails? :)
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Trains.... must have trains...

    :lol:
    Silly things with a handle to make them go... or stop! Where is the challenge?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,997


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Trains.... must have trains...

    :lol:

    You is loco.
    You mean to say I've gone off the rails? :)
    The signals were all there...
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    News organizations are reporting that the Roseburg, Oregon gunman, who had 13 weapons - 6 with him and 7 at home - was "of British origin" and was an admirer of the IRA.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    'Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%'
    I bet anti frank is pleased he didn't take me up on that bet offer, as to whether the UK public think Russia is fighting on the right side.
    Somehow I don't think Cold War era red-baiting is going to work.
  • JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
    Do you seriously think those are the kinds of people that made up the selectorate?
    Because you are utterly wrong.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Did you really read this as a dig at you? Nothing is further from the truth. Now I think you were fishing
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Tim_B said:

    News organizations are reporting that the Roseburg, Oregon gunman, who had 13 weapons - 6 with him and 7 at home - was "of British origin" and was an admirer of the IRA.

    His dad briefly commented on news - definitely a Brit
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    JWisemann said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
    Do you seriously think those are the kinds of people that made up the selectorate?
    Because you are utterly wrong.
    What other kind of people would vote for JC? Sorry I forgot about the deluded.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Did you really read this as a dig at you? Nothing is further from the truth. Now I think you were fishing
    I was being sarcastic, or perhaps ironic. In either case I was making a bad job of it. My apologies. I obviously need those neoprene shoes worse than I thought... :)
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    JWisemann said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
    Do you seriously think those are the kinds of people that made up the selectorate?
    Because you are utterly wrong.
    What other kind of people would vote for JC? Sorry I forgot about the deluded.
    Oh I forgot about all those MPs who voted for him.
  • JWisemann said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
    Do you seriously think those are the kinds of people that made up the selectorate?
    Because you are utterly wrong.
    "I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the Selectorate loved me. Win the Selectorate, and you will win your Freedom!"
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited October 2015


    London has always been too big a game for the Lib Dems. Bear in mind that the biggest single election the Lib Dems have won since WWI is Devon County Council.

    That goes into the Big Book of Killer Stats.

    The thing about the Lib Dems is that they're very much a local force, even at a regional level.

    What's their record for "most contiguous constituencies"? I think the answer might be six in 2005 (twice!) and 2010 (once).
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The natives are revolting:

    at last the major FIFA sponsors are coalescing - McDonalds, Coca Cola and Visa issued a joint statement that Sepp Blatter must go now.

    He of course rejected this - but you can almost put a fork in him: he's done.

    When the money talks, Blatter walks.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    JWisemann said:

    Jonathan said:

    Jonathan said:

    The scale of Labours membership is quite impressive. Not only did Lammy beat Zac.

    Note also that Khan got twice the vote of Farron nationally.

    This is apropos FA
    Really? Surely it matters to the Lib Dems that their grassroots are so weak. In theory they are relying on them for their recovery.

    Yet, if they somehow managed to bus in their entire national membership to help the Mayoral campaign, their activists would still be outnumbered.

    People that buy a vote tend to use it. Labour's bragging that it's managed to persuade thousands of assorted leftie nutters, trots, militant and playful Tories to participate in its leadership election seems indicative of its inability devise an election process which would exclude such people, together with the union fodder. Many of these new members may be activists but who for?
    Do you seriously think those are the kinds of people that made up the selectorate?
    Because you are utterly wrong.
    What other kind of people would vote for JC? Sorry I forgot about the deluded.
    Oh I forgot about all those MPs who voted for him.
    Which says it all.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Did you really read this as a dig at you? Nothing is further from the truth. Now I think you were fishing
    I was being sarcastic, or perhaps ironic. In either case I was making a bad job of it. My apologies. I obviously need those neoprene shoes worse than I thought... :)
    - or f*ck me pumps :)

    At least you're not posting cat videos... ;)
  • Tim_B said:

    was "of British origin" and was an admirer of the IRA.

    Jeremy? Is that you?

    :)
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Tim_B said:


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Did you really read this as a dig at you? Nothing is further from the truth. Now I think you were fishing
    I was being sarcastic, or perhaps ironic. In either case I was making a bad job of it. My apologies. I obviously need those neoprene shoes worse than I thought... :)
    - or f*ck me pumps :)

    At least you're not posting cat videos... ;)
    There are limits on what I will do. Cats are nice enough but even so.

    Shoes, on the other hand

    Neoprene shoes
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tim_B said:

    News organizations are reporting that the Roseburg, Oregon gunman, who had 13 weapons - 6 with him and 7 at home - was "of British origin" and was an admirer of the IRA.

    I saw the interview w his dad earlier and he sounded Northern.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2015
    On a chilling note -

    this is the 9th mass shooting in 6 1/2 years of Obama: not his fault at all, it's just the stat they put out.

    They are all either schools, colleges or universities. The one thing they have in common is they are weapon free zones.

    there is no appetite in Congress for changing the gun laws - you can thank the NRA for that.

    All his weapons were acquired legally.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    JWisemann said:

    'Voters approve of cooperating with Russia against ISIS by 59% to 20%. They approve of co-operating with President Assad by 38% to 31%'
    I bet anti frank is pleased he didn't take me up on that bet offer, as to whether the UK public think Russia is fighting on the right side.
    Somehow I don't think Cold War era red-baiting is going to work.


    Here is that poll

    https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/10/01/cooperation-russia-syria/
  • Tim_B said:


    PB can be extraordinarily educational sometimes - compensates for the crap that sometimes gets on here too.

    My apologies. I will go back to typing about fashion and shoes.

    Did you really read this as a dig at you? Nothing is further from the truth. Now I think you were fishing
    I was being sarcastic, or perhaps ironic. In either case I was making a bad job of it. My apologies. I obviously need those neoprene shoes worse than I thought... :)
    - or f*ck me pumps :)

    At least you're not posting cat videos... ;)
    There are limits on what I will do. Cats are nice enough but even so.

    Shoes, on the other hand

    Neoprene shoes
    You embedded a non-Tweet - didn't know Vanilla could do that!
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