I find our cultural cringing at Muslims just appalling. We don't do it for any other religion.
Nobody would be cringing if they didn;t fear being disciplined/fined/prosecuted/fired.
As I said down thread, those calling for nurses to be fired are looking at completely the wrong targets. It is those ABOVE who should take the blame, because it is they who determine the culture that exists at that work place and in the wider country.
This goes right to the prime minister
Don't be silly. The PM spoke out against 'multiculturalism' ages ago. I think Pickles for one was pretty quock to condemn the multiplicity of language translations avaolable in the NHS for instance. There has been no suggestion from this government that soldiers should not wear uniform or be defferent to anyone whilst in uniform. Your inference is absurd.
Then the government should do something concrete, like scrapping the Racial and Religious Hatred Act.
Maybe it should, but how many more cans of worms do you want thrown on your carpet?
Well, the government has the political capital to do so. What the legislation does, in practice, is create a right not to be offended. That doesn't contribute to social harmony.
The legislation creates a right for certain groups not to be offended. If, for example, a Muslim is offended by the sight of an RAF officer in uniform, then the RAF office is be moved out of sight in response. On the other hand, whilst I am offended by seeing Muslim women with their faces veiled, I would never dare complain about this, for fear of risking a charge of some kind of "hate crime".
Do we actually KNOW it was a Moslem who complained, or had done so in the past?
That's right, virtually none. This is the most bogus of the patriarchal arguments.
The Turks came to Germany long before the EU and free movement even existed. How many Dutch Somalis moved here? Tens of thousands.
Was Somalia a colony of the Dutch ?
No, it was a British one. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria, where many of the current migrants are from. Also Syrians are very similar to Iraqis and will likely intermingle with the British Iraqi population.
I do get the feeling that the political classes who superseded the British colonial administrators in the countries which obtained their independence from Britain have let down their peoples and are incompetent and corrupt. The British Empire should have lasted at least another 500years. Now the people want to come and live in Britain.
IIRC the British were chased out of Afghanistan when they tried to control it. Chased out by the Afgans themselves in the 19thC.
That's right, virtually none. This is the most bogus of the patriarchal arguments.
The Turks came to Germany long before the EU and free movement even existed. How many Dutch Somalis moved here? Tens of thousands.
Was Somalia a colony of the Dutch ?
No, it was a British one. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria, where many of the current migrants are from. Also Syrians are very similar to Iraqis and will likely intermingle with the British Iraqi population.
I do get the feeling that the political classes who superseded the British colonial administrators in the countries which obtained their independence from Britain have let down their peoples and are incompetent and corrupt. The British Empire should have lasted at least another 500years. Now the people want to come and live in Britain.
IIRC the British were chased out of Afghanistan when they tried to control it. Chased out by the Afgans themselves in the 19thC.
Afghanistan is an exception. No-one has ever been able to control it.
Again, the law only seems to apply to certain sections of the population. Waving around banners saying things like "Death to those who insult Allah" and "British police - Go to hell" strike me as being somewhat hate-filled, but the people who do such things seem to able to act with impunity.
Granted, this case was not perhaps directly related to the Racial and Religious Hatred Act, but nevertheless it is illustrative of just how toxic a force political correctness and fear of "racism" can be.
Oh it absolute is directly related. The RRHA enshrines in law the effective procedures that led to the events in Rotherham.
That's right, virtually none. This is the most bogus of the patriarchal arguments.
The Turks came to Germany long before the EU and free movement even existed. How many Dutch Somalis moved here? Tens of thousands.
Was Somalia a colony of the Dutch ?
No, it was a British one. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria, where many of the current migrants are from. Also Syrians are very similar to Iraqis and will likely intermingle with the British Iraqi population.
I do get the feeling that the political classes who superseded the British colonial administrators in the countries which obtained their independence from Britain have let down their peoples and are incompetent and corrupt. The British Empire should have lasted at least another 500years. Now the people want to come and live in Britain.
Why only 500?
Isn't the metric 1000 years. That was what one of your idols liked to use.
That's right, virtually none. This is the most bogus of the patriarchal arguments.
The Turks came to Germany long before the EU and free movement even existed. How many Dutch Somalis moved here? Tens of thousands.
Was Somalia a colony of the Dutch ?
No, it was a British one. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria, where many of the current migrants are from. Also Syrians are very similar to Iraqis and will likely intermingle with the British Iraqi population.
I do get the feeling that the political classes who superseded the British colonial administrators in the countries which obtained their independence from Britain have let down their peoples and are incompetent and corrupt. The British Empire should have lasted at least another 500years. Now the people want to come and live in Britain.
Why only 500?
Isn't the metric 1000 years. That was what one of your idols liked to use.
Which one? It was a socialist who thought he'd have a 1000 year Reich
I do believe that our JackW is taking the piss, @HYUFD:
This 'Venice' of London began to garner more influence after the second world war, and it soon became known as 'Little' Venice. This apparently was a result of a council decision to save Beauchamp Lodge, and it recalled Byron's labelling of the area as 'Venice.' Not until the 1950's was the area was officially recognised as Little Venice and thus gained wide acceptance. This letter to the Telegraph (opens new window) by Lord Kinross published in 1966 makes it absolutely clear that Browning never called the locale Little Venice, and Kinross shows his annoyance at the constantly perpetuated myth. It is clearly time that BW and the tourist agencies stopped these gross distortions of history.
That's right, virtually none. This is the most bogus of the patriarchal arguments.
The Turks came to Germany long before the EU and free movement even existed. How many Dutch Somalis moved here? Tens of thousands.
Was Somalia a colony of the Dutch ?
No, it was a British one. Like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Nigeria, where many of the current migrants are from. Also Syrians are very similar to Iraqis and will likely intermingle with the British Iraqi population.
I do get the feeling that the political classes who superseded the British colonial administrators in the countries which obtained their independence from Britain have let down their peoples and are incompetent and corrupt. The British Empire should have lasted at least another 500years. Now the people want to come and live in Britain.
IIRC the British were chased out of Afghanistan when they tried to control it. Chased out by the Afgans themselves in the 19thC.
I think you recall wrong, as several people have said here in the past.
Something mentioned here a lot is his unresignation as a factor. Frankly, I've never considered it important - he's synonymous with the Kipper brand - I'd be impressed if 5% of the electorate knew about this story and cared less.
J''ust imagine the outcry if 15 white blokes had turned up in a Asian area of Bradford and done this,plus brandishing a gun.''
Events right now, with labour being led by Corbyn to boot, appears tailor made for UKIP. Yet they appear to be going backwards.
Why UKIP aren't doing better is a very interesting question.
There hasn't been any real test of how well any party are doing since the election
Polls schmolls, UKIP were on 16% last week and 7% this week.. nonsense to read anything into either
Local elections w a 15% turnout? Not for me
But they are used to prove Farage is harmful, while the record results UKIP have achieved in the last 2 years are not down to his influence at all... pitifully embarrassing analysis really
Normal people not obsessed w politics, ie all my friends and family except me, wouldn't even know it happened then unhappened.
When canvassing its true a cvouple of middle class types in Frinton loved Carswell and weren't sure about Farage but, in Dagenham and Rainham people were asking if I could ask him round theres for tea!
It is easy to lose sight of what is important if you follow politics closely and focus on the details. The reality is that Farage has done l what most of us would have thought impossible. He has come close to, and might even now succeed, in getting Britain out of the EU. All three of the mainstream parties were against him and this was and probably still is a minority view. Agree or disagree with him, the guy is a genius.
Don't be silly. The euro and ever closer union of the eurozone are the reasons for the referendum. Farage and UKIP is the organisation which might actually risk losing it. The eurozone makes it inevitable that this issue would come up. An understandable fear of swarms of refugees/migrants is fueling current opinion. We have seen labour's and the LD's and the snp's response to Cameron's words and its easy to see who is the best tuned in.
I doubt we'd be anywhere near a referendum without Farage. As to your last sentence, it no doubt makes sense in your own head but I have no idea what exchange you are taking about or which one of the four options you give is the most tuned in. I don't even know what being tuned in means in this context, or if it is supposed to be a good thing or not. Do you see what I mean about the risks of being too close to the details?
I do believe that our JackW is taking the piss, @HYUFD:
This 'Venice' of London began to garner more influence after the second world war, and it soon became known as 'Little' Venice. This apparently was a result of a council decision to save Beauchamp Lodge, and it recalled Byron's labelling of the area as 'Venice.' Not until the 1950's was the area was officially recognised as Little Venice and thus gained wide acceptance. This letter to the Telegraph (opens new window) by Lord Kinross published in 1966 makes it absolutely clear that Browning never called the locale Little Venice, and Kinross shows his annoyance at the constantly perpetuated myth. It is clearly time that BW and the tourist agencies stopped these gross distortions of history.
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IIRC the British were chased out of Afghanistan when they tried to control it. Chased out by the Afgans themselves in the 19thC.
Isn't the metric 1000 years. That was what one of your idols liked to use.
Quite so.
I do believe that our JackW is taking the piss, @HYUFD:
This 'Venice' of London began to garner more influence after the second world war, and it soon became known as 'Little' Venice. This apparently was a result of a council decision to save Beauchamp Lodge, and it recalled Byron's labelling of the area as 'Venice.' Not until the 1950's was the area was officially recognised as Little Venice and thus gained wide acceptance. This letter to the Telegraph (opens new window) by Lord Kinross published in 1966 makes it absolutely clear that Browning never called the locale Little Venice, and Kinross shows his annoyance at the constantly perpetuated myth. It is clearly time that BW and the tourist agencies stopped these gross distortions of history.
http://www.londoncanals.co.uk/lvenice/lv00.html
I do believe that our JackW is taking the piss, @HYUFD:
This 'Venice' of London began to garner more influence after the second world war, and it soon became known as 'Little' Venice. This apparently was a result of a council decision to save Beauchamp Lodge, and it recalled Byron's labelling of the area as 'Venice.' Not until the 1950's was the area was officially recognised as Little Venice and thus gained wide acceptance. This letter to the Telegraph (opens new window) by Lord Kinross published in 1966 makes it absolutely clear that Browning never called the locale Little Venice, and Kinross shows his annoyance at the constantly perpetuated myth. It is clearly time that BW and the tourist agencies stopped these gross distortions of history.
http://www.londoncanals.co.uk/lvenice/lv00.html
Yes, but I did not want to dismiss such a fine effort