I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse
Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen!
Hushing sedition - nothing wrong with that.
Rebellious Scots to crush - so the good ones have nothing to worry about
I've never listened to the words of the anthem till now. It is indeed a load of tosh and in parts offensive. Had Corbyn had the sort of spin doctor most leaders have I'm sure they would have pointed out how inappropriate he found it insulting the Scots on an occasion like that which was why his lips didn't move. For those (like me) who haven't bothered to listen here is the offending verse
Lord grant that Marshal Wade May by thy mighty aid Victory bring. May he sedition hush, And like a torrent rush, Rebellious Scots to crush. God save the Queen!
You do realise that verse (#3) is virtually never sung? I think it's a shame #2 which is lovely gets ignored as ewell
It seems what the CNN debate did what simply to rearrange the deck chairs of the anti-Trump vote without affecting Trump who is still going up.
The next debate is in 6 weeks on CNBC, the biggest issue is what format will the CNBC moderators take, will it be the boring but short Q&A FOX model or the CNN long slugfest model ?
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train.He must also have more time on his allotment.Cycling,tending the allotment and making jam,and the vest are all essential features to stop him getting ill and going mad like many leaders seem to do with power. John McDonald is a unifier.Look at his record.How many ERMs including John McDonnell,all the parties of NI,LDs,Green,Plaid and some Tories,are 8 or 9 potential party agreements in coalition.David Davis has probably more in common with John McDonnell as he does David Cameron.He's another non-partisan unifier.
Still, I take Don's point about dumping negatives. The two negatives which Labour most needs to dump are John McDonnell and Jeremy Corbyn.
Allstar Darling -- ''I don't know what Jeremy Corbyn stands for'' (BBC)
That is because darling is a Tory, so why would he.
I didn't post that with a view to you making a fool of yourself (again) but we should be grateful for that anyway.
You did it because you are so stupid.
You are a laugh. But please fill us in in great detail with how Alistair Darling is a tory - is Gordon Brown - the man who appointed him Chancellor also a tory? Who else? Don't hang back tell us - list them out.
Did any of Corbyn's new people not tell him the Rugby World Cup is raising the profile and funds for the World Food Programme? So that is who he is snubbing by not attending....
I think anyone watching this debacle is thinking Corbyn had the right idea.
To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.
The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.
Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
Topping , you have lost it , what has happened to your usual sensible self. That is a load of bollox.
I don't think he would ever consider going to something that is not part of the struggle. If he stopped to think about it for two moments, which he might have, he would realise that rugby is also a posho-rich environment and it would take him moments to decide to shun it as a result.
Edited extra bit: VW would also provide the engine.
That's from Eddie Jordan, who is mad as a box of frogs but also got Hamilton's move to Mercedes spot on.
VW is the only choice other than Ferrari, now that Morris, Riley, Wolseley, Austin, Humber, Hillman and MG are unavailable.
JCB should buy them.
Really.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good.
Lord Bamford's not quite as rich as Mateschitz, though.
Did any of Corbyn's new people not tell him the Rugby World Cup is raising the profile and funds for the World Food Programme? So that is who he is snubbing by not attending....
Corbyn will think its a game for the public schoolboy type so he just wouldn't show up.. Prior constituency event is a load of bollocks and even if it was true its far less important.
It seems what the CNN debate did what simply to rearrange the deck chairs of the anti-Trump vote without affecting Trump who is still going up.
The next debate is in 6 weeks on CNBC, the biggest issue is what format will the CNBC moderators take, will it be the boring but short Q&A FOX model or the CNN long slugfest model ?
It's on October 28 in Boulder CO.
Both the RNC and CNBC say they will not decide on a format until they see how many candidates are left. It's entirely possible there will be no happy hour debate, or that there will be one with a more even candidate split to make it more manageable.
CNN has been slammed by all and sundry for trying to pick fights among the candidates, but 11 on stage is way too many.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good."
That's possibly the first time I've actually dropped off reading a post
Edited extra bit: VW would also provide the engine.
That's from Eddie Jordan, who is mad as a box of frogs but also got Hamilton's move to Mercedes spot on.
VW is the only choice other than Ferrari, now that Morris, Riley, Wolseley, Austin, Humber, Hillman and MG are unavailable.
JCB should buy them.
Really.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good.
Lord Bamford's not quite as rich as Mateschitz, though.
Once in a while you see a JCB machine here, but it's mainly Cat, Deere, Kubota etc
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
Iran hails Jeremy Corbyn for 'shaking the British ruling class'
The Labour leader is lionised in Tehran for taking on the "British aristocracy" - and appreciating Iran's contribution to peace in the Middle East
Think about it. If you're Iran, why do you issue a statement like that which you know will help Cameron and hurt Corbyn?
More to the point, why do Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness issue statements welcoming Corbyn? It helps Cameron, so maybe they wanted to do the Conservatives a favour as a signal of their willingness to be constructive in the current tensions around Stormont.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
The railways started out and have spent most of their history in private ownership.
The NHS has always been an unwieldy and inefficient creature of government.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
So what you are saying is that if subsidies were fixed throughout (per journey), and deducted from price - it'd be noticeably cheaper?
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
(snip)
That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
(snip)
That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Yes, its certainly the mindset of managed decline, which pre Thatcher was the consensus on the nation. It was their job to manage its decline.
Iran hails Jeremy Corbyn for 'shaking the British ruling class'
The Labour leader is lionised in Tehran for taking on the "British aristocracy" - and appreciating Iran's contribution to peace in the Middle East
Think about it. If you're Iran, why do you issue a statement like that which you know will help Cameron and hurt Corbyn?
More to the point, why do Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness issue statements welcoming Corbyn? It helps Cameron, so maybe they wanted to do the Conservatives a favour as a signal of their willingness to be constructive in the current tensions around Stormont.
Iran theocracy attacking British aristocracy?? Bless.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train.He must also have more time on his allotment.Cycling,tending the allotment and making jam,and the vest are all essential features to stop him getting ill and going mad like many leaders seem to do with power. John McDonald is a unifier.Look at his record.How many ERMs including John McDonnell,all the parties of NI,LDs,Green,Plaid and some Tories,are 8 or 9 potential party agreements in coalition.David Davis has probably more in common with John McDonnell as he does David Cameron.He's another non-partisan unifier.
Smart dress codes to encourage civilised behaviour.
Jezza has been following it for 30:years - I don't see why he can complain now unless he is grandstanding.
McDonnell and Malhotra really have very little economic credibility at all. That doesn't of course make them wrong in everything they say, but if they are making statements that fly in the face of conventional wisdom then one has to have quite serious doubts.
'Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
And since privatisation we no longer have to travel in world war 2 rolling stock with rail journeys increasing by 117%.
Edited extra bit: VW would also provide the engine.
That's from Eddie Jordan, who is mad as a box of frogs but also got Hamilton's move to Mercedes spot on.
VW is the only choice other than Ferrari, now that Morris, Riley, Wolseley, Austin, Humber, Hillman and MG are unavailable.
JCB should buy them.
Really.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good.
Lord Bamford's not quite as rich as Mateschitz, though.
Once in a while you see a JCB machine here, but it's mainly Cat, Deere, Kubota etc
You might find one stolen from my dad twenty-odd years ago.
My dad had a brand-new one stolen from, I think, a BMW showroom. They ignored the cars and went after the digger, which was their target. Others that had been stolen were discovered in the US - apparently the gang(s) stripped them down slightly, put them in containers, and shipped them over.
They were discovered through a novelty - in the UK the rear stabiliser legs go down vertically; by law in the US they have (had?) to go out at an angle. Someone wondered how this US-illegal digger had got into the country, and dug deeper.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn has probably more in common with John McDonnell as he does David Cameron.He's another non-partisan unifier.
Smart dress codes to encourage civilised behaviour.
Jezza has been following information 30:years - In don't see why he can complain now.
Even those who believe in capitalism do not see what it can do. Just because you understand and accept the theory of evolution, does not mean you have any knowledge about what future iterations of change will be.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
(snip)
That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Yes, its certainly the mindset of managed decline, which pre Thatcher was the consensus on the nation. It was their job to manage its decline.
To be fair to BR, they generally did quite well given the constraints they were under. They ere amongst, if not the, most efficient railway network in Europe by privatisation. This was partly thanks to the younger generation of management who came in during the 1980s who chose to reject some of the old ways (tm).
To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.
The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.
Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.
@MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.
The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.
Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.
@MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
@Dair 'Scotland showed it can do them with the Commonwealth Games.' Did I miss something ?
No There's actually a rugby game going on tonight after the opening ceremony. The olympics for instance was just an opening ceremony and then they spent days stripping the stadium back to allow athletics.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good."
That's possibly the first time I've actually dropped off reading a post
I can understand why an advert director - a perfect example of a candidate for the Golgafrincham B Ark - would find people who actually do things boring and uninteresting.
You're willing to use what the plebs create, but despise them nonetheless.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
I did not say I opposed privatisation so stop being an undergraduate debater about this. I said that on average, spending is higher nowadays, though lower in the last two years. The recent average matters because service improvements take time and, on the other hand, you can live off past glories for a while. Note also that a lot more capital investment is happening and, finally, that road construction became much more difficult so growth naturally occurred in rail.
To be fair to Corbyn he does have the small matter of being in the first week of putting together an opposition in the midst of a party full of enemies and the most sustained media assault in living memory. I'm not surprised socialising isn't high on his agenda.
The serious point about lots of poshos watching the rugby is that rugby, for any number of reasons, attracts more an ABC than CDE crowd.
Jezza literally (literally!) does not understand the ABC posho crowd. He doesn't accept their right to anything apart from providing tax dollars to the CDE crowd and his pet projects. They are the enemy. Always have been and he has certainly never considered and evidently isn't going to consider now going to an event full of them.
Tbh I think it's just that he doesn't like Rugby, and is the kind of bloke who is probably very stubborn. Apparently he's very into trains though.
@MarqueeMark I only found learning about Spitfires and old pilots boring when I had to endure Ewan McGregor documentaries about it.
I have come round to Jezza since I found out he was a biker. I loved my motorbikes and went on a couple of biking tours, though not the DDR. I had an MZ made in DDR once, does anyone know what bike Jezza had?
CZ 250
Really? One step up from my MZ though. That had shocking slippery tyres, fading Sls drum brakes and 6 v electrics that faded when wet. When I bought a Honda CB175 twin I couldn't believe how much better it was. Iron curtain machines were lethal, though I did have some fun on my MZ.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
(snip)
That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Yes, its certainly the mindset of managed decline, which pre Thatcher was the consensus on the nation. It was their job to manage its decline.
Thatcher ran down the railways too and kept them in national ownership, reducing services. She saw no important role for the railways and was delighted that road transport had improved to the point that non-union drivers could replace railwaymen in case of miners' strike.
Did any of Corbyn's new people not tell him the Rugby World Cup is raising the profile and funds for the World Food Programme? So that is who he is snubbing by not attending....
I think anyone watching this debacle is thinking Corbyn had the right idea.
Now he's a Privy Counsellor he was probably briefed in advance
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
(snip)
That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Yes, its certainly the mindset of managed decline, which pre Thatcher was the consensus on the nation. It was their job to manage its decline.
Thatcher ran down the railways too and kept them in national ownership, reducing services. She saw no important role for the railways and was delighted that road transport had improved to the point that non-union drivers could replace railwaymen in case of miners' strike.
There would have been no malice in it, she just didnt see that the age of the railway was to come, post privatisation. When a government is deciding its spending priorities, who shouts loudly for trains when there are bigger calls on schools 'n' hospitals?
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
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That depends on which statistic you use. True, more is being spent, but AFAIAK the basic running of the railways is now profitable - it is the network grant for renewals and expansions, along with debt interest payments, which the Network Grant covers.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
Yes, its certainly the mindset of managed decline, which pre Thatcher was the consensus on the nation. It was their job to manage its decline.
Thatcher ran down the railways too and kept them in national ownership, reducing services. She saw no important role for the railways and was delighted that road transport had improved to the point that non-union drivers could replace railwaymen in case of miners' strike.
That was entirely self inflicted by the railwaymen. If they had not tried to help the miners break the country then there would not have been the massive sudden move from rail to road.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
I did not say I opposed privatisation so stop being an undergraduate debater about this. I said that on average, spending is higher nowadays, though lower in the last two years. The recent average matters because service improvements take time and, on the other hand, you can live off past glories for a while. Note also that a lot more capital investment is happening and, finally, that road construction became much more difficult so growth naturally occurred in rail.
Yeah... I maybe do enjoy too much pointing out the astonishing success that has come from privatisation. And you are right about spending. Huge strategic errors were made in the privatisation process, many of them around Railtrack.
I find it incredibly frustrating that the narrative of railway privatisation been a failure seems to have took hold when it is utterly contrary to what has happened.
Good to see Jezza backing Trident, Nicola Sturgeon can't be far behind.
I hope now the corbynistas will stop calling him 'principled'. Pro-EU, Pro-Trident, Pro-NATO, 50% tax rate, can't renationalise or PQE while in the EU... ... is there anything left? Other than... spend spend spend.
Yeah... I maybe do enjoy too much pointing out the astonishing success that has come from privatisation. And you are right about spending. Huge strategic errors were made in the privatisation process, many of them around Railtrack.
I find it incredibly frustrating that the narrative of railway privatisation been a failure seems to have took hold when it is utterly contrary to what has happened.
The only real failure in privitisation was the enforced decision to separate services and infrastructure. Unfortunately this was imposed by the EU as part of their attempts to encourage pan-European operators. In the UK it allowed that horrible circle of one side blaming the other for failures and delays when they could not have done so had they been one vertically integrated company on each route.
Thatcher ran down the railways too and kept them in national ownership, reducing services. She saw no important role for the railways and was delighted that road transport had improved to the point that non-union drivers could replace railwaymen in case of miners' strike.
Citations, please, because that sounds rather odd.
The turn-around of the railways started under Thatcher. Closures started to slow, with the Woodhead being the last major route (and that was a victim of unusual circumstances). Predecessor government would have had no qualms in ignoring the protesters and closing the Settle and Carlisle, which subsequent events have shown would have been a terrible mistake.
The Thatcher government also allowed the sectorisation of the railways, finally vanquishing the regional monopolies; themselves a hang-over of the Big Four. Sectorisation actually encouraged the management to chase business.
Thatcher's great gift to the railways was that she did not care for them. She did not dislike them: they were just not on her radar. This was in direct contrast to her predecessors, who interfered far too readily. It allowed them to get on with things.
It could be said we're making the same mistakes as her predecessors now.
"Nick Cohen explains why he's given up on The Left:"
Nick Cohen went the way of Melanie Phillips years ago. Unequivocal support for Israel defines him and them. They're a bit like the US Neocons. A slight shift from the left and they become right-wing ultras
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
I did not say I opposed privatisation so stop being an undergraduate debater about this. I said that on average, spending is higher nowadays, though lower in the last two years. The recent average matters because service improvements take time and, on the other hand, you can live off past glories for a while. Note also that a lot more capital investment is happening and, finally, that road construction became much more difficult so growth naturally occurred in rail.
I believe the spending figures you were mentioning also include items such as some of Crossrail, and the other investments being made in the network. You need to compare like-for-like.
There are basically three main parts of Network Rail's spending:
*) Maintenance (keeping their existing assets working) *) Renewals (renewing their life-expired assets) *) Enhancements (e.g. electrification)
You really need to strip out enhancements to get like-for-like figures.
Why do the stupid rules of the House of Commons forbid open shirts and vests?Jeremy Corbyn must maintain his new politics and continue with the vest.He should stop everyone bullying and be allowed to cycle to and from his place of work in peace.It is noteworthy all his campaign visits were by train.This is an important form of resistance to Thatcherism-she never used the train..
It must really get his goat about the phenomenal change that has happened with the British railways since privatisation.
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
It helps that more public money is spent on the railways nowadays.
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
". Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
I did not say I opposed privatisation so stop being an undergraduate debater about this. I said that on average, spending is higher nowadays, though lower in the last two years. The recent average matters because service improvements take time and, on the other hand, you can live off past glories for a while. Note also that a lot more capital investment is happening and, finally, that road construction became much more difficult so growth naturally occurred in rail.
I believe the spending figures you were mentioning also include items such as some of Crossrail, and the other investments being made in the network. You need to compare like-for-like.
There are basically three main parts of Network Rail's spending:
*) Maintenance (keeping their existing assets working) *) Renewals (renewing their life-expired assets) *) Enhancements (e.g. electrification)
You really need to strip out enhancements to get like-for-like figures.
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Rebellious Scots to crush - so the good ones have nothing to worry about
The next debate is in 6 weeks on CNBC, the biggest issue is what format will the CNBC moderators take, will it be the boring but short Q&A FOX model or the CNN long slugfest model ?
As if enduring it once wasn't enough!
John McDonald is a unifier.Look at his record.How many ERMs including John McDonnell,all the parties of NI,LDs,Green,Plaid and some Tories,are 8 or 9 potential party agreements in coalition.David Davis has probably more in common with John McDonnell as he does David Cameron.He's another non-partisan unifier.
Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith
Reshuffle madness? At least two shadow ministers didn't even know they had roles under Corbyn when @Telegraph called.
Britain can do opening ceremonies as the Olympics demonstrated. Scotland showed it can do them with the Commonwealth Games.
But this is... woeful. That dramatic segment was genuinely painful to watch.
Really.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good.
Lord Bamford's not quite as rich as Mateschitz, though.
Both the RNC and CNBC say they will not decide on a format until they see how many candidates are left. It's entirely possible there will be no happy hour debate, or that there will be one with a more even candidate split to make it more manageable.
CNN has been slammed by all and sundry for trying to pick fights among the candidates, but 11 on stage is way too many.
"JCB should buy them.
Really.
They already have several world speed records, They have the world's fastest digger - the JCB GT - and the world land-speed record for diesel-power vehicles - the JCB Dieselmax.
Development of the Dieselmax is a great British success story. JCB always traditionally used Perkins engines, but when Perkins were purchased by their competitor, Caterpillar, they decided to make their own engines. The Dieselmax was designed to show that their engine was rather good."
That's possibly the first time I've actually dropped off reading a post
If I tried to wager you in 1994, about how privatisation would have transformed the railways, and that a mode of transport that looked like it was consigned to the scrap heap would have more people using it in 2015 than it did at the height of the railways, you would say "nah, there's a better chance of that IRA loving Labour muppet Jeremy Corbyn been leader of the Labour Party".
If I privatised the NHS tomorrow and spent more public money on it, I think services would improve.
Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker will be there however.
In a less than serious thought, how can he afford to be POTUS?
More to the point, why do Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness issue statements welcoming Corbyn? It helps Cameron, so maybe they wanted to do the Conservatives a favour as a signal of their willingness to be constructive in the current tensions around Stormont.
http://ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_416854.pdf
The UK doesn't have austerity rather its had a trillion quid of government borrowing during the last decade to keep people spending and buy votes.
'Scotland showed it can do them with the Commonwealth Games.'
Did I miss something ?
The NHS has always been an unwieldy and inefficient creature of government.
Game, set match. Privatisation has been a stunning success, and for those that oppose it, embarrassingly so.
One even turned up at Trump's rally last night.
Passengers numbers have increased massively, and freight isn't doing badly, despite the massive fall in the railway's traditional money-maker: coal.
Correlation does not mean causation and all that, but I find it hard to believe that the nationalised BR would have been able to cope with demand anywhere near as well. It would have stifled the growth, as its mindset was for a shrinking network.
More to the point, why do Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness issue statements welcoming Corbyn? It helps Cameron, so maybe they wanted to do the Conservatives a favour as a signal of their willingness to be constructive in the current tensions around Stormont.
Iran theocracy attacking British aristocracy?? Bless.
Jezza has been following it for 30:years - I don't see why he can complain now unless he is grandstanding.
BTW Margaret Thatcher on a train !
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/AC57JC/margaret-thatcher-on-a-miniature-train-AC57JC.jpg
Rugby is also in my experience better 2-3 levels down from the top as it becomes less dominated by place kicking and defensive play.
'Subsidies to the rail industry have slightly decreased from £4bn in 1992-93 before privatisation to £3.8bn in 2013-14 (in 2014 prices) but have fallen by over fifty percent in terms of subsidy per journey from £5.40 to £2.40"
And since privatisation we no longer have to travel in world war 2 rolling stock with rail journeys increasing by 117%.
My dad had a brand-new one stolen from, I think, a BMW showroom. They ignored the cars and went after the digger, which was their target. Others that had been stolen were discovered in the US - apparently the gang(s) stripped them down slightly, put them in containers, and shipped them over.
They were discovered through a novelty - in the UK the rear stabiliser legs go down vertically; by law in the US they have (had?) to go out at an angle. Someone wondered how this US-illegal digger had got into the country, and dug deeper.
I might have to switch allegiances (to Chelsea)...
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02390/arsene-wenger_2390067b.jpg
There's actually a rugby game going on tonight after the opening ceremony. The olympics for instance was just an opening ceremony and then they spent days stripping the stadium back to allow athletics.
You're willing to use what the plebs create, but despise them nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQw5T2T94M
There would have been no malice in it, she just didnt see that the age of the railway was to come, post privatisation. When a government is deciding its spending priorities, who shouts loudly for trains when there are bigger calls on schools 'n' hospitals?
Yeah... I maybe do enjoy too much pointing out the astonishing success that has come from privatisation. And you are right about spending. Huge strategic errors were made in the privatisation process, many of them around Railtrack.
I find it incredibly frustrating that the narrative of railway privatisation been a failure seems to have took hold when it is utterly contrary to what has happened.
https://twitter.com/Casumptious/status/644948810003804161
Pro-EU, Pro-Trident, Pro-NATO, 50% tax rate, can't renationalise or PQE while in the EU...
... is there anything left? Other than... spend spend spend.
The turn-around of the railways started under Thatcher. Closures started to slow, with the Woodhead being the last major route (and that was a victim of unusual circumstances). Predecessor government would have had no qualms in ignoring the protesters and closing the Settle and Carlisle, which subsequent events have shown would have been a terrible mistake.
The Thatcher government also allowed the sectorisation of the railways, finally vanquishing the regional monopolies; themselves a hang-over of the Big Four. Sectorisation actually encouraged the management to chase business.
Thatcher's great gift to the railways was that she did not care for them. She did not dislike them: they were just not on her radar. This was in direct contrast to her predecessors, who interfered far too readily. It allowed them to get on with things.
It could be said we're making the same mistakes as her predecessors now.
"Nick Cohen explains why he's given up on The Left:"
Nick Cohen went the way of Melanie Phillips years ago. Unequivocal support for Israel defines him and them. They're a bit like the US Neocons. A slight shift from the left and they become right-wing ultras
There are basically three main parts of Network Rail's spending:
*) Maintenance (keeping their existing assets working)
*) Renewals (renewing their life-expired assets)
*) Enhancements (e.g. electrification)
You really need to strip out enhancements to get like-for-like figures.
"Good to see Jezza backing Trident, Nicola Sturgeon can't be far behind."
Even Labour's last man standing in Scotland opposes Trident.
Clinton'd be in trouble ...
And given "Political excitement" is on there: yes, we'd all be prime candidates for entry.
"Anyway shouldnt your chickeny relative be leading the Labour fight back ? Old granny Sturgeon has just made her first mistake today."
A ladder in her tights for her first appearance in Vogue?
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'I think anyone watching this debacle is thinking Corbyn had the right idea.'
Just waiting to see the usual Scotland wooden spoon performance.