Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
LG 1983.. what..from your lofty perch..do you consider to be .."Gainful employment".. in my book it is the ability and opportunity for someone to earn a living, no matter ow umble..do cleaners..of which there are many thousands across the country..not count.
The gainfulness depends whether they're facilitating something or someone who makes money or contributes in some other vital way to the fabric of our society. I don't see keeping the warheads buffed up as doing that. Neither do I see being Sir General big bollocks in charge of the whole place as gainful employment.
"Angela Merkel is back. Where it was not for long. In the German domestic politics. At this return they force those who already feel strongly attracted throughout the year to Germany: the refugees. The summer press conference, the Chancellor gives every year, is a good indicator of what subject the country concerned and will employ long. 2014 went to Russia and Ukraine, in 2013 the activities of the US secret NSA, repeatedly were Greece and the stability of the euro in the focus of the remarks of the CDU chairman and the demands of journalists."
MG So port infrastructure is a complete waste of time eh.. even if Scotland manages to get a few warships..good thinking batman
Richard, If spent on proper infrastructure and for some better use than nuclear submarines then it may be useful. Some surface ships may be useful and provide lots more employment. They are not investing wisely. Lots more real jobs could be created if the money was spent sensibly and they actually deigned to listen to Scottish people and governments ideas on the topic. It was an expensive way to get at the SNP.
PS , we could do with a few roads and train line upgrades that would be far more useful to the people of Scotland and create multiple times the jobs.
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
To be fair to him though there is a reasonable role to put oneself in as a last olive branch. He clearly wasn't connected with power over many years, and as such thought that he might hold his nose and create a channel of communication.
There's a danger though that all this holding of his nose might seem to suggest that he supports, endorses, or doesn't disapprove of, all sorts of nonsense. He's clearly engaged some impressionable people, and he should very swiftly act to make clear that he doesn't approve of the excesses of IS for example. So do that now Jeremy!
He was not seriously acting as any sort of channel of communication. As others have noted, HMG had plenty of ways of speaking to the IRA if they wanted to. That's just Corbyn disingenuously puffing himself up on the back of genuine efforts by others to try and justify his squalid little adventures.
But in any case it's too late. This is what he did, what he chose to do when no-one else was looking and it tells you all you need to know about his moral and political judgment, or lack of it.
I agree. I don't think he was wise in meeting many of the people he's met in the past. Nonetheless I can entirely see that he may have been acting in what he perceived to be the nation's best interests. I disapprove of almost everything the man's ever said, but I really strongly disapprove of failing to be wise.
I'm not sure that maths is all that happy with infinities. I read a little about Georg Cantor who invented sets and supposedly proved that you can have bigger infinities and lesser infinities. But I reckon I disproved that in a playground argument when I was nine - "The highest number in the world" "OK, then the highest number in the world plus one."
However, I never really believed in electromagnetism and fields so I'm not that reliable.
I've never *quite* got my head around this.
You've got an infinite set of integers, from 0 to infinity.
So you've got an infinite set of numbers between each number, from x to x + 1.
And you've got another set of integers from 0 to - infinity.
But if you take the set of numbers that are squares of other integers, there are an infinite amount of them, but its clearly a smaller set of numbers than the original set of numbers.
Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes.
There is a brilliant TV documentary by David Malone that helps explain the story called 'Dangerous Knowledge'. Personally I think it one of the best factional TV programmes ever made.
I have just noticed that Wikipedia mysteriously says that the former Liverpool MP Bob Wareing died on 1st Msay 2015, although it was only edited as such on 25th August 2015.
He was previously reported to have died on 29th August 2014, but this was corrected the next day as an error. I presume that this is another false rumour, although if it is true then would be ironic that his death was reported when it didn't happen, but not reported when it did.
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
And this is what John McDonnell MP, a Corbyn supporter and possible candidate for Shadow Chancellor has said: "It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”
Fuck me. He really said that?
Apparently so. Labour could be spoofing themselves of course. The whole election is like a Daily Mash article.
Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
Yes and not so sure on the fair part for Scotland or other parts of UK. It is all too London/South East centric and nothing else really matters other than at election time.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
I have just noticed that Wikipedia mysteriously says that the former Liverpool MP Bob Wareing died on 1st Msay 2015, although it was only edited as such on 25th August 2015.
He was previously reported to have died on 29th August 2014, but this was corrected the next day as an error. I presume that this is another false rumour, although if it is true then would be ironic that his death was reported when it didn't happen, but not reported when it did.
I'm not sure that maths is all that happy with infinities. I read a little about Georg Cantor who invented sets and supposedly proved that you can have bigger infinities and lesser infinities. But I reckon I disproved that in a playground argument when I was nine - "The highest number in the world" "OK, then the highest number in the world plus one."
However, I never really believed in electromagnetism and fields so I'm not that reliable.
I've never *quite* got my head around this.
You've got an infinite set of integers, from 0 to infinity.
So you've got an infinite set of numbers between each number, from x to x + 1.
And you've got another set of integers from 0 to - infinity.
But if you take the set of numbers that are squares of other integers, there are an infinite amount of them, but its clearly a smaller set of numbers than the original set of numbers.
Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes.
There is a brilliant TV documentary by David Malone that helps explain the story called 'Dangerous Knowledge'. Personally I think it one of the best factional TV programmes ever made.
lg 1983 That is a view I suppose.. but if you are a cleaner in Faslane.. which is an incredibly busy facility.. then you don't actually give a fuck who you are cleaning for.. just keep the paycheck coming in.. or would you rather they all went back onto benefits..
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
Of course they are fair points. But why do they even have to be made? It's clear that Corbyn is a preening and stupid tool AT BEST. At worst he is pretty much a traitor.
Do we think the bad headlines on corbyn in the last few weeks have saved the labour party with a cooper /burnham win or it's to late with early votes ?
MG Pier and Jetty construction serves all of the vessels as they all berth alongside..I thought you might have grasped that.. so any vessel can be berthed at those new facilities..
I'm not sure that maths is all that happy with infinities. I read a little about Georg Cantor who invented sets and supposedly proved that you can have bigger infinities and lesser infinities. But I reckon I disproved that in a playground argument when I was nine - "The highest number in the world" "OK, then the highest number in the world plus one."
However, I never really believed in electromagnetism and fields so I'm not that reliable.
I've never *quite* got my head around this.
You've got an infinite set of integers, from 0 to infinity.
So you've got an infinite set of numbers between each number, from x to x + 1.
And you've got another set of integers from 0 to - infinity.
But if you take the set of numbers that are squares of other integers, there are an infinite amount of them, but its clearly a smaller set of numbers than the original set of numbers.
Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes.
There is a brilliant TV documentary by David Malone that helps explain the story called 'Dangerous Knowledge'. Personally I think it one of the best factional TV programmes ever made.
After the swift boating the Tories gave Miliband over trident during the election, this is the Tories playing nicely.
This is an SA80 to the MLRS the Tories will use later on Corbyn and Labour.
Even if Corbyn doesn't win or is replaced before 2020, the Tories will not shut up about the fact Labour are only a gnat's fart away from a hard left takeover
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
Of course they are fair points. But why do they even have to be made? It's clear that Corbyn is a preening and stupid tool AT BEST. At worst he is pretty much a traitor.
From my point of view, because I set very little store by the 'Jezbollah' side of things. Were we aligned on the Russia/Iran side of things we'd be calling them the 'Free Lebanon Army' and the papers would be filled with glowing reports on their bravery in the fight against ISIS and Al Nusra. It so happens we're aligned on the Saudi/US side of things, so we're not. I actually welcome Jezza's viewpoint on this as upsetting a very rancid applecart.
However, what this article highlights well is that Corbyn has been just as partial and small minded in his own prejudices and tropes as those in the establishment he opposes. I find that personally to be a useful lesson.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
It cannot be better to have someone else making all your decisions. If you really think that is great , please start sending me all your money and I will work out what you want to spend it on.
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
And this is what John McDonnell MP, a Corbyn supporter and possible candidate for Shadow Chancellor has said: "It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
It cannot be better to have someone else making all your decisions. If you really think that is great , please start sending me all your money and I will work out what you want to spend it on.
'Someone else' isn't making your decisions - the 'UK Parliament' is - which you voted to remain part of under a year ago.
lg 1983 That is a view I suppose.. but if you are a cleaner in Faslane.. which is an incredibly busy facility.. then you don't actually give a fuck who you are cleaning for.. just keep the paycheck coming in.. or would you rather they all went back onto benefits..
You dullard, they could save the money and pay them forever and it would cost a huge amount less. The point is they are just wasting money for political dogma.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
Yet something has clearly gone wrong where Scotland has failed to develop as well as it's immediate neighbours and failed to profit from its recent history of innovation and acumen.
There's only two plausible explanations for this - either Scots are incapable of profiting from their success or natural bounties or the system of governance has prevented this. I find the argument quite compelling that it is is the system of governance.
A nation can invent and build and exploit all it wants but if the ownership of capital and intellectual property is held in a foreign country, the benefits one would naturally expect to follow from this will flow to that foreign country.
The great irony here, is what England has done to Scotland is now happening to the United Kingdom. When Tony Blair oversaw the largest sell off of the "family silver" during his reign and the ownership and head offices of so much of British industry and innovation went overseas, he ensured that the UK's ultimate fate was sealed.
lg 1983 That is a view I suppose.. but if you are a cleaner in Faslane.. which is an incredibly busy facility.. then you don't actually give a fuck who you are cleaning for.. just keep the paycheck coming in.. or would you rather they all went back onto benefits..
That's the point - if they're not employed to a purpose they are in effect on benefits.
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
And this is what John McDonnell MP, a Corbyn supporter and possible candidate for Shadow Chancellor has said: "It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”
Fuck me. He really said that?
Apparently so. Labour could be spoofing themselves of course. The whole election is like a Daily Mash article.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I have just noticed that Wikipedia mysteriously says that the former Liverpool MP Bob Wareing died on 1st Msay 2015, although it was only edited as such on 25th August 2015.
He was previously reported to have died on 29th August 2014, but this was corrected the next day as an error. I presume that this is another false rumour, although if it is true then would be ironic that his death was reported when it didn't happen, but not reported when it did.
The link you have put as the source for your Wikipedia revision refers to the correction to last year's false report, and doesn't enlighten anybody about the report (or rumour) from this year. I have tweeted to Stephen Twigg MP to ask if he knows anything, but obviously it will take time for him to get back to me.
Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
Yes and not so sure on the fair part for Scotland or other parts of UK. It is all too London/South East centric and nothing else really matters other than at election time.
Sure. But babies and bathwater etc. I imagine that you may have had ancestors that had pictures of Victoria hanging on their walls. My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. The best of Scotland is intertwined with England, and vice versa. Independence - sure if you like. Independence at all costs - don't be daft. You're a reasonable man, and you know this to be true. Lord knows how it'll all finish up, but if Scotland and England aren't still friends then it'll be a loss to us all.
Mind you, remember when Lord Ashcroft did some polling on Trident back in 2013, some Nats embarrassed themselves, it was soooo funny
It is amusing to see the SNP questioning the integrity of the research on the grounds that I paid for it. Curiously they did not express the same view in their press release highlighting my survey of marginal seats in March, which showed a number of potential SNP gains from the Lib Dems, or when they welcomed my “super poll” at the end of last year which gave the SNP a 6-point lead over Labour.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
Yet something has clearly gone wrong where Scotland has failed to develop as well as it's immediate neighbours and failed to profit from its recent history of innovation and acumen.
There's only two plausible explanations for this - either Scots are incapable of profiting from their success or natural bounties or the system of governance has prevented this. I find the argument quite compelling that it is is the system of governance.
"Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes."
I remember that, so the set of even numbers and odd numbers must be less than the set of all numbers? Nope, yer infinite's yer infinite and you can't have higher. I'm not going back to being a nine-year old.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
MG "They could save the money and pay them forever" page one of the SNP Economics..so lets put them all on the dole..no infrastructure for a future Scottish Navy//like I said before.. they are only fucking cleaners so sack em.. who gives a shit..Poor Scotland
Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
Yes and not so sure on the fair part for Scotland or other parts of UK. It is all too London/South East centric and nothing else really matters other than at election time.
Sure. But babies and bathwater etc. I imagine that you may have had ancestors that had pictures of Victoria hanging on their walls. My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. The best of Scotland is intertwined with England, and vice versa. Independence - sure if you like. Independence at all costs - don't be daft. You're a reasonable man, and you know this to be true. Lord knows how it'll all finish up, but if Scotland and England aren't still friends then it'll be a loss to us all.
Times change and no reason why we cannot be better friends when we are equal partners and deciding our own destinies , co-operating and working hand in hand instead of at present. Dire thought of anyone having pictures of royalty on their walls and doffing their caps to them, same with the national dirge.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
Yet something has clearly gone wrong where Scotland has failed to develop as well as it's immediate neighbours and failed to profit from its recent history of innovation and acumen.
There's only two plausible explanations for this - either Scots are incapable of profiting from their success or natural bounties or the system of governance has prevented this. I find the argument quite compelling that it is is the system of governance.
Correct - it's called socialism.
For all it's failings I don't think The Great British Car Boot Sale can be blamed on Socialism. There's plenty of other things to blame on Socialism.
The Sell Off was the result of short termism (no-one will really see the results of what Blair did for 20 years or more), corruption (no-one has ever addressed the corrupt establishment in the UK - and seldom even acknowledge it) and greed (which is, at it's heart a usually positive capitalism mechanism, in fact it is a core driver of markets).
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
And this is what John McDonnell MP, a Corbyn supporter and possible candidate for Shadow Chancellor has said: "It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”
Fuck me. He really said that?
Apparently so. Labour could be spoofing themselves of course. The whole election is like a Daily Mash article.
Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
Yes and not so sure on the fair part for Scotland or other parts of UK. It is all too London/South East centric and nothing else really matters other than at election time.
Sure. But babies and bathwater etc. I imagine that you may have had ancestors that had pictures of Victoria hanging on their walls. My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. The best of Scotland is intertwined with England, and vice versa. Independence - sure if you like. Independence at all costs - don't be daft. You're a reasonable man, and you know this to be true. Lord knows how it'll all finish up, but if Scotland and England aren't still friends then it'll be a loss to us all.
when we are equal partners and deciding our own destinies
We won't be 'equal partners' in a currency union when the vote splits 92:8.
MG "They could save the money and pay them forever" page one of the SNP Economics..so lets put them all on the dole..no infrastructure for a future Scottish Navy//like I said before.. they are only fucking cleaners so sack em.. who gives a shit..Poor Scotland
... My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. ...
And it's the SNP who are "narrow nationalists".
peh.
I didn't say that the SNP were 'narrow nationalists' did I?
Moreover you'll have to forgive me if I don't condemn my Grandfather for his beliefs. He was a good man as far as I recall, and I suspect if you'd met him you'd be hard pressed to think otherwise.
(I'm assuming by the way that you didn't mean to be just plain rude)
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
Can anyone find any examples of Jeremy Corbyn doing something similar with ‘the other side’ of any of these peace processes or inter-faith meetings? For instance does anyone anywhere have any record of Jeremy Corbyn standing for a minute’s silence for some loyalist thugs killed while on ‘active service’? Or, more plausibly, are there any records of Jeremy Corbyn attending memorial events for the many members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary killed by while doing their duty as policemen? Or are there any records of him remembering members of the British armed forces and security services killed while performing their duties? It is only if we cannot find evidence of Jeremy attending such events that people might read reasons into why we only have records of him attending memorials for the IRA.
And this is what John McDonnell MP, a Corbyn supporter and possible candidate for Shadow Chancellor has said: "It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.”
Fuck me. He really said that?
Apparently so. Labour could be spoofing themselves of course. The whole election is like a Daily Mash article.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
"Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes."
I remember that, so the set of even numbers and odd numbers must be less than the set of all numbers? Nope, yer infinite's yer infinite and you can't have higher. I'm not going back to being a nine-year old.
I'm off now cos my poor old brain is hurting.
Mr. 13 is quite wrong when he says there is only one infinity. There are an infinite number of infinities each of different "sizes" as Cantor proved. Hence the introduction of the Aleph notation that someone referred to earlier.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
Yet something has clearly gone wrong where Scotland has failed to develop as well as it's immediate neighbours and failed to profit from its recent history of innovation and acumen.
There's only two plausible explanations for this - either Scots are incapable of profiting from their success or natural bounties or the system of governance has prevented this. I find the argument quite compelling that it is is the system of governance.
Correct - it's called socialism.
For all it's failings I don't think The Great British Car Boot Sale can be blamed on Socialism. There's plenty of other things to blame on Socialism.
The Sell Off was the result of short termism (no-one will really see the results of what Blair did for 20 years or more), corruption (no-one has ever addressed the corrupt establishment in the UK - and seldom even acknowledge it) and greed (which is, at it's heart a usually positive capitalism mechanism, in fact it is a core driver of markets).
I was referring to long term decline. In every area, not just economic.
Confirmation of the comments made by Corbyn's mate John McDonnell:
""It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
"Don't black holes of varying size suggest infinities can be larger or smaller?"
You may be thinking of singularities or the original Big Bang which suggest that pressure and gravity increase to infinity as the volume hits zero. I think that's one reason that strings gained favour - they have a minute but definite volume. Black holes can be tiny or massive but are never infinite.
But I've never claimed to be a physicist, my doctorate was in toxicology - an arcane but sensible subject by comparison.
I think worrying about infinity is for people who are fed up about worrying about the quantum world. The concept of a singularity is bad enough. But can any'thing' be endless? I'd say no. But then again this begs the question of 'things', not to mention geometry.
"Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi said: "Osama bin Laden was a terrorist who any sensible human being in the world would want either killed or arrested. For him to call this a tragedy and appear to compare it to what happened on 9/11 is frightening." " - BBC News
Whilst not defending Corbyn, his view seems to be more or less the same as Nadhim Zahawi, whoever he is. At least, that is what the sentence below says.
"Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for saying it was a "tragedy" that Osama Bin Laden was killed rather than being put on trial." - BBC News
Who was against putting OBL on trial ? Dirty linen ?
@MalcolmG Many years ago my ancestors decided to join the British army. I can't imagine that was as decision without dilemmas, but nonetheless that's what they did. For several generations thereafter it was a theme. They were Scots obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be saying this.
I'm sure that they would have loved Scotland. I'm equally sure that they would be dismayed if Scotland lost its link with the broader UK. They fought with their lives for the UK. Something inspired them to do so.
Somehow along the way of Scottish Nationalism I think you need to re-embrace this history. Scotland detached from England is wrong - a different relationship - sure.
Omnium , Unfortunately Westminster do not want a federal relationship, they will cling to power as long as they can and therefore the only outcome is the break up of the UK. Once upon a time the UK was reasonably fair to all , not nowadays.
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
Yes and not so sure on the fair part for Scotland or other parts of UK. It is all too London/South East centric and nothing else really matters other than at election time.
Sure. But babies and bathwater etc. I imagine that you may have had ancestors that had pictures of Victoria hanging on their walls. My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. The best of Scotland is intertwined with England, and vice versa. Independence - sure if you like. Independence at all costs - don't be daft. You're a reasonable man, and you know this to be true. Lord knows how it'll all finish up, but if Scotland and England aren't still friends then it'll be a loss to us all.
Times change and no reason why we cannot be better friends when we are equal partners and deciding our own destinies , co-operating and working hand in hand instead of at present. Dire thought of anyone having pictures of royalty on their walls and doffing their caps to them, same with the national dirge.
I'd bet quite heavily that one or more of your ancestors had some royal portraits hanging on their walls.
I'm no royalist though - I really want to know why it is that my family has been fighting to defend their arses for all these years, and yet if I knock on the door of Buck House I'll not get a cup of tea. 150 years!,, no tea! Surely some mistake!
I would fight, heart and soul for this country (the generic UK rather than the political thing, although I'm a supporter of the Union anyway). I wouldn't have the slightest interest in doing so for any member of the Royals.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
Confirmation of the comments made by Corbyn's mate John McDonnell:
""It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
No nerve, but delighted to see further ignorance on display.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
No nerve, but delighted to see further ignorance on display.
What exactly do you 'pay'?
Judging by his posts, Malcom's contributions to the Exchequer are quite substantial, via alcohol duties.
"Don't black holes of varying size suggest infinities can be larger or smaller?"
You may be thinking of singularities or the original Big Bang which suggest that pressure and gravity increase to infinity as the volume hits zero. I think that's one reason that strings gained favour - they have a minute but definite volume. Black holes can be tiny or massive but are never infinite.
But I've never claimed to be a physicist, my doctorate was in toxicology - an arcane but sensible subject by comparison.
I think worrying about infinity is for people who are fed up about worrying about the quantum world. The concept of a singularity is bad enough. But can any'thing' be endless? I'd say no. But then again this begs the question of 'things', not to mention geometry.
There's clearly an endless stream of numbers.
@flightpath - no - black holes all have the same infinities going on. Georg Cantor produced a nice proof that there are degrees of infinity though.
Ha Ha Ha , tax exile tries to pretend the FT could actually print anything sensible about SNP. As likely as you doing the right thing rather than hiding in a tax haven. How can you embarrass yourself by pontificating about the UK and Scotland in particular when you avoid paying tax.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
The UK as a whole wants a nuclear weapons system, with 31% wanting a less powerful one than Trident, 25% replacing Trident and 25% giving up Trident completely
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
No nerve, but delighted to see further ignorance on display.
What exactly do you 'pay'?
Thousands a month in fact, I am not a tax avoider , I pay my way.
Ha Ha Ha , tax exile tries to pretend the FT could actually print anything sensible about SNP. As likely as you doing the right thing rather than hiding in a tax haven. How can you embarrass yourself by pontificating about the UK and Scotland in particular when you avoid paying tax.
Still haven't explained what you are 'paying for', have you?
So unlike the Nats to play 'the man, not the ball'.....
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
So a majority of Scots want nuclear submarines in some form
Yep - not that you'd know it from the 'you're not in touch' Nats on here.....
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
No nerve, but delighted to see further ignorance on display.
What exactly do you 'pay'?
Judging by his posts, Malcom's contributions to the Exchequer are quite substantial, via alcohol duties.
Given your history of making up tall tales , hmmmm, no shame comes to mind.
MG Absolutely.. go and ask them yourself..job security for a lot more years.. until the Scots decide on Independence and then bingo.. unemployed..It is all that the SNP is offering them.
Stick to something you know about, here you are just talking drivel.
And what exactly do you know anything about?
Turnips?
Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
Harpier cries "'Tis time, 'tis time."
Quoting an English Playwright?
When chapmen billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors meet, As market days are wearing late, An' folk begin to tak the gate; While we sit bousing at the nappy, And getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps, and styles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky sullen dame. Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm.
Scot manque....
Unlike you I am not bigoted, I like the English.
PS: Serious question , is there anything Scottish you do not hate.
I love most things Scottish (I'm not a 'hater' - I leave that to the Nats)
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
We know. You love Scotland so much that you live in tax exile !
We know. You hate the UK so much you won't engage in argument.....
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
Struck a nerve, sensitive about being in a tax haven. We mortals pay dearly to keep you tax free.
No nerve, but delighted to see further ignorance on display.
What exactly do you 'pay'?
Thousands a month in fact, I am not a tax avoider , I pay my way.
Good for you - but what are you paying for Guernsey - your claim?
Ha Ha Ha , tax exile tries to pretend the FT could actually print anything sensible about SNP. As likely as you doing the right thing rather than hiding in a tax haven. How can you embarrass yourself by pontificating about the UK and Scotland in particular when you avoid paying tax.
Still haven't explained what you are 'paying for', have you?
So unlike the Nats to play 'the man, not the ball'.....
I pay so that people less fortunate than me have some money, I don't avoid paying tax. At least gives me the right to have an opinion on the UK and how it is run, unlike those who do not contribute.
"Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi said: "Osama bin Laden was a terrorist who any sensible human being in the world would want either killed or arrested. For him to call this a tragedy and appear to compare it to what happened on 9/11 is frightening." " - BBC News
Whilst not defending Corbyn, his view seems to be more or less the same as Nadhim Zahawi, whoever he is. At least, that is what the sentence below says.
"Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for saying it was a "tragedy" that Osama Bin Laden was killed rather than being put on trial." - BBC News
Who was against putting OBL on trial ? Dirty linen ?
What dirty linen was Obama unwilling to wash then? The bozos that nutter comrade Corbyn has unleashed are making life hilarious.
This is more and more curious and confusing. It quotes a close family friend as not knowing about the death until months later. Are we sure the Liverpool Echo has not itself been misinformed? How would his own family & friends not know for 4 months? I'm confused. I am going to go and watch TV properly instead of interneting, and I'll come back later.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
The UK as a whole wants a nuclear weapons system, with 31% wanting a less powerful one than Trident, 25% replacing Trident and 25% giving up Trident completely
Why would you link that? Lord knows why the Independent see fit to publish it anyway. It says for example - "Air pollution can be deadly to those with heart and lung disease, asthma and all respiratory conditions. But death is rarely instantaneous." There really is no need to read further.
Ha Ha Ha , tax exile tries to pretend the FT could actually print anything sensible about SNP. As likely as you doing the right thing rather than hiding in a tax haven. How can you embarrass yourself by pontificating about the UK and Scotland in particular when you avoid paying tax.
Still haven't explained what you are 'paying for', have you?
So unlike the Nats to play 'the man, not the ball'.....
I pay so that people less fortunate than me have some money, I don't avoid paying tax. At least gives me the right to have an opinion on the UK and how it is run, unlike those who do not contribute.
Still haven't answered the question - what are you paying for Guernsey?
Hint - its 'nothing'.......
Wrong again......
Oh, and since you are an expert in my tax affairs, the basic rate of tax in Guernsey is the same as the UK and the personal allowance lower.....
"Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi said: "Osama bin Laden was a terrorist who any sensible human being in the world would want either killed or arrested. For him to call this a tragedy and appear to compare it to what happened on 9/11 is frightening." " - BBC News
Whilst not defending Corbyn, his view seems to be more or less the same as Nadhim Zahawi, whoever he is. At least, that is what the sentence below says.
"Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for saying it was a "tragedy" that Osama Bin Laden was killed rather than being put on trial." - BBC News
Who was against putting OBL on trial ? Dirty linen ?
Troublemakers will make more of his comments, but it is the equating with other events and use of the descriptor of 'tragic' that is the issue , being totally unnecessary given the point he apparently wanted to make (and given he and his supporters, like all political groups, condemn loose language from the other side, not something he can complain about) and even then would not permit people making more of it than is fair without all the rest of his comments on issues seeming to back them up as a possibility.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear missile system 18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident 24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely 48%
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
So a majority of Scots want nuclear submarines in some form
Yep - not that you'd know it from the 'you're not in touch' Nats on here.....
Exactly, a plurality may oppose them but they are outnumbered by those who want them on present terms or with fewer of them
What's wrong with what we have ? It can still finish off humanity.
Michael Portillo, ex-Defence Secretary, put it in This Week that the defence establishment wanted 4 x Trident's just as a bargaining tool !
If you want a continuous at-sea deterrent, then there is obviously a minimum number of boats required. One at sea, one under repair, and one training; it's easy to extend that to a fourth boat to guarantee continuity at sea (e.g. two under repair, or one going on patrol as another is coming off, etc, etc).
You may be able to get away with three; it would be impossible to get continuous deterrent with just two boats.
As an example, the French have four Triomphant-class subs.
A happy state of affairs for supporters of our current arrangements that can only be damaged by opening the issue up to debate and scrutiny in my opinion.
If you'd read the poll, you'd see that it did explore options - such as 'cheaper Trident' - and support for a deterrent remained greater than getting rid of it - even in Scotland!
I wonder why (not really) you went all the way back to 2013 when there's a much more recent poll?
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches the end of its useful life?
I wonder why (not really) you missed out the preamble to the preceding question:
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would no.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
The UK as a whole wants a nuclear weapons system, with 31% wanting a less powerful one than Trident, 25% replacing Trident and 25% giving up Trident completely
You buy a paper one morning. Its headline reads "Tragedy strikes as man killed". You would presume that we're supposed to feel sorry for him.
If, on page 3, it says "he should instead have been arrested" then you'd rightly feel that the headline was wrong.
Only rose tinted glasses can read into Corbyn's comments the context - if we assume he did mean what he know says - that was badly omitted from the headline.
Comments
There are many other possible relationships beyond federal. The UK's still pretty fair to all. You know all the arguments anyway.
"Angela Merkel is back. Where it was not for long. In the German domestic politics. At this return they force those who already feel strongly attracted throughout the year to Germany: the refugees. The summer press conference, the Chancellor gives every year, is a good indicator of what subject the country concerned and will employ long. 2014 went to Russia and Ukraine, in 2013 the activities of the US secret NSA, repeatedly were Greece and the stability of the euro in the focus of the remarks of the CDU chairman and the demands of journalists."
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article145854025/Merkels-Plaene-fuer-ein-temporaer-geaendertes-Asylrecht.html
Lots more real jobs could be created if the money was spent sensibly and they actually deigned to listen to Scottish people and governments ideas on the topic. It was an expensive way to get at the SNP.
PS , we could do with a few roads and train line upgrades that would be far more useful to the people of Scotland and create multiple times the jobs.
But in any case it's too late. This is what he did, what he chose to do when no-one else was looking and it tells you all you need to know about his moral and political judgment, or lack of it.
I agree. I don't think he was wise in meeting many of the people he's met in the past. Nonetheless I can entirely see that he may have been acting in what he perceived to be the nation's best interests. I disapprove of almost everything the man's ever said, but I really strongly disapprove of failing to be wise.
There is a brilliant TV documentary by David Malone that helps explain the story called 'Dangerous Knowledge'. Personally I think it one of the best factional TV programmes ever made.
http://bufvc.ac.uk/dvdfind/index.php/title/av69979
To this day I am still trying to find the source of the music used in the program.
Twigg, no doubt, confirmed he was still alive.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/stephen-twigg-apologises-after-mistakenly-7693284
Apparently so. Labour could be spoofing themselves of course. The whole election is like a Daily Mash article.
What I dislike is the 'blame others' culture fostered by SLAB and the SNP.
'If only Scotland wasn't ruled by a (Tory/Westminster - delete as appropriate) government, things would be so much better!
Its easy thinking of the first order and Adam Smith would be mortified by the shallow callow fatuity of the analysis.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/plans-liverpool-memorial-service-former-9931215
Do we think the bad headlines on corbyn in the last few weeks have saved the labour party with a cooper /burnham win or it's to late with early votes ?
After the swift boating the Tories gave Miliband over trident during the election, this is the Tories playing nicely.
This is an SA80 to the MLRS the Tories will use later on Corbyn and Labour.
Even if Corbyn doesn't win or is replaced before 2020, the Tories will not shut up about the fact Labour are only a gnat's fart away from a hard left takeover
From my point of view, because I set very little store by the 'Jezbollah' side of things. Were we aligned on the Russia/Iran side of things we'd be calling them the 'Free Lebanon Army' and the papers would be filled with glowing reports on their bravery in the fight against ISIS and Al Nusra. It so happens we're aligned on the Saudi/US side of things, so we're not. I actually welcome Jezza's viewpoint on this as upsetting a very rancid applecart.
However, what this article highlights well is that Corbyn has been just as partial and small minded in his own prejudices and tropes as those in the establishment he opposes. I find that personally to be a useful lesson.
In the right wing fascist Daily Mail Grauniad:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
Doesn't excuse the SNP from lazy analysis....
'YouGov / The Times Survey Results
Sample Size: 1656 GB Adults
Fieldwork: 25th - 26th January 2015
What do you think Britain should do when Trident reaches
the end of its useful life?
Region: Scotland
Britain should replace Trident with an equally powerful nuclear
missile system
18%
Britain should retain a nuclear missile system, but it should be
less powerful and cost less than replacing Trident
24%
Britain should give up nuclear weapons completely
48%
Don’t know
10%'
http://tinyurl.com/qg5lrwz
There's only two plausible explanations for this - either Scots are incapable of profiting from their success or natural bounties or the system of governance has prevented this. I find the argument quite compelling that it is is the system of governance.
A nation can invent and build and exploit all it wants but if the ownership of capital and intellectual property is held in a foreign country, the benefits one would naturally expect to follow from this will flow to that foreign country.
The great irony here, is what England has done to Scotland is now happening to the United Kingdom. When Tony Blair oversaw the largest sell off of the "family silver" during his reign and the ownership and head offices of so much of British industry and innovation went overseas, he ensured that the UK's ultimate fate was sealed.
And it will not be a good one.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
Just extraordinary. Labour are going beyond political suicide into a form of political self vaporisation. There won't even be a corpse.
It's not that bad. Labour could introduce the Bobby Sands diet as a way of dealing with the obesity epidemic. Think of the money saved.
I imagine that you may have had ancestors that had pictures of Victoria hanging on their walls. My grandfather always stood for the Nation Anthem even when it was just playing in his own telly. The best of Scotland is intertwined with England, and vice versa. Independence - sure if you like. Independence at all costs - don't be daft.
You're a reasonable man, and you know this to be true. Lord knows how it'll all finish up, but if Scotland and England aren't still friends then it'll be a loss to us all.
It is amusing to see the SNP questioning the integrity of the research on the grounds that I paid for it. Curiously they did not express the same view in their press release highlighting my survey of marginal seats in March, which showed a number of potential SNP gains from the Lib Dems, or when they welcomed my “super poll” at the end of last year which gave the SNP a 6-point lead over Labour.
http://bit.ly/1IzAowm
Britain's nuclear weapon system, Trident, is currently based in Scotland. In the event Scotland becomes independent the Scottish government have said they would not have nuclear weapons in their country, and would require the rest of Britain to remove their nuclear weapons from Scottish territory.
So having told Scots their government is opposed....ooh look! They don't like it!
I'm shocked, I tell you! Shocked!
"Cantor built on work by Leibniz. He showed that the set of real numbers (includes 1.23 etc) cannot be matched by the set of natural numbers (1,2,3...) in a one-to-one manner, and so infinite sets come in sizes."
I remember that, so the set of even numbers and odd numbers must be less than the set of all numbers? Nope, yer infinite's yer infinite and you can't have higher. I'm not going back to being a nine-year old.
I'm off now cos my poor old brain is hurting.
peh.
The Sell Off was the result of short termism (no-one will really see the results of what Blair did for 20 years or more), corruption (no-one has ever addressed the corrupt establishment in the UK - and seldom even acknowledge it) and greed (which is, at it's heart a usually positive capitalism mechanism, in fact it is a core driver of markets).
And his interior decorating regime for public offices would mean you REALLY wanted to visit.
Moreover you'll have to forgive me if I don't condemn my Grandfather for his beliefs. He was a good man as far as I recall, and I suspect if you'd met him you'd be hard pressed to think otherwise.
(I'm assuming by the way that you didn't mean to be just plain rude)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
Just extraordinary. Labour are going beyond political suicide into a form of political self vaporisation. There won't even be a corpse.
The Labour Party will become like those Everlasting Shadows of Hiroshima, preserved only as an outline on a wall....
Will publish in about 49 mins time.
So much for 'civic nationalism!'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/boris-johnson-is-planning-a-cruise-ship-terminal-for-london--but-what-about-his-promise-for-cleaner-air-10479540.html
""It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA.""
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
The concept of a singularity is bad enough.
But can any'thing' be endless? I'd say no. But then again this begs the question of 'things', not to mention geometry.
Whilst not defending Corbyn, his view seems to be more or less the same as Nadhim Zahawi, whoever he is. At least, that is what the sentence below says.
"Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for saying it was a "tragedy" that Osama Bin Laden was killed rather than being put on trial." - BBC News
Who was against putting OBL on trial ? Dirty linen ?
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/plans-liverpool-memorial-service-former-9931215
I'm no royalist though - I really want to know why it is that my family has been fighting to defend their arses for all these years, and yet if I knock on the door of Buck House I'll not get a cup of tea. 150 years!,, no tea! Surely some mistake!
I would fight, heart and soul for this country (the generic UK rather than the political thing, although I'm a supporter of the Union anyway). I wouldn't have the slightest interest in doing so for any member of the Royals.
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The SNP’s incompetence as a party of government
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/32c37d04-4caf-11e5-9b5d-89a026fda5c9.html?siteedition=intl#axzz3kPMcxUAp
Your Twigg article is from 2014.
Scotland always was a separate country and it was forced to join the Union in 1707. They should be free.
What exactly do you 'pay'?
@flightpath - no - black holes all have the same infinities going on. Georg Cantor produced a nice proof that there are degrees of infinity though.
And they voted to stay in eleven and a half months ago!
Truly, are there no depths to your ignorance?
In terms of submarines while 43% of Scots do not want submarine based nuclear weapons, 29% want a nuclear submarine always on patrol and 17% want a cheaper system but where nuclear submarines are not always on patrol. So a majority of Scots want nuclear submarines in some form
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ksx1tw2rj8/TimesResults_150126_Trident_Website.pdf
So unlike the Nats to play 'the man, not the ball'.....
The bozos that nutter comrade Corbyn has unleashed are making life hilarious.
Michael Portillo, ex-Defence Secretary, put it in This Week that the defence establishment wanted 4 x Trident's just as a bargaining tool !
"Air pollution can be deadly to those with heart and lung disease, asthma and all respiratory conditions. But death is rarely instantaneous."
There really is no need to read further.
Hint - its 'nothing'.......
Wrong again......
Oh, and since you are an expert in my tax affairs, the basic rate of tax in Guernsey is the same as the UK and the personal allowance lower.....
But what do you know......nothing.....
You may be able to get away with three; it would be impossible to get continuous deterrent with just two boats.
As an example, the French have four Triomphant-class subs.
If, on page 3, it says "he should instead have been arrested" then you'd rightly feel that the headline was wrong.
Only rose tinted glasses can read into Corbyn's comments the context - if we assume he did mean what he know says - that was badly omitted from the headline.