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The different demographic make-up of LAB leadership supporters
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  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Corbyn voters really are 'odd' then.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Jonathan said:

    Could be worse...

    //twitter.com/cathynewman/status/636538947368300544

    What's a Lib Dem?

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,038
    The past is a different country. And so is the Labour party. But not as much as Corbyn.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289

    #Labour 1st pref vote share odds from Ladbrokes http://t.co/YtCCRuKhLd pic.twitter.com/63TQH3Sjwy

    — Ladbrokes Politics (@LadPolitics) August 27, 2015
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    The majority of Corbyn supporters appear to be from the Wolfie Smith School of politics.

    Where have they all been hiding since 1979...
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    SeanT said:

    48% of KENDALL supporters are "strongly in favour of nationalising utilities" - a clearly insane policy, desired by just 31% of Brits.

    Labour. Doomed.

    You look at the figures for Corbyn, how can people who hold such strong views be prepared to accept compromise? What happens when the Labour Party policy commissions come up with more nuanced policies based on where we are?

    Are the Labour Party going to be convincing enough to challenge the electorate and move them towards accepting a truly radical socialist alternative that is intending to throw a lot of settled things in the air?
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited August 2015
    SeanT said:

    48% of KENDALL supporters are "strongly in favour of nationalising utilities" - a clearly insane policy, desired by just 31% of Brits.

    Labour. Doomed.

    The real question for Labour is to what extent and by what means will the internal party organisation, structures, policy making and methods of appointing people to positions of influence be changed.

    If it becomes a fully democratic party opening up the decisions to supporters, affiliates and members then it will be very difficult to move the p[arty away from a leftward lurch, a lurch beyond the acceptable borders of leftiness for most of the population.

    Then there is a vacuum for some party to fill.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited August 2015
    The Corbynista royal family figure is a bit of an eye-opener. Talk about being out of touch with modern Britain.
  • 50% of respondents to the survey self-describe themselves as either centre, left of centre or left. As opposed to 44% who move from centre through to right. That Corbynista views as so out of kilter with such a demographic should give at least a few of them pause for thought. But it won't.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Corbynites look very similar in their political views to the SNP faithful.
  • FPT
    Indigo said:

    Interesting that you cut out the date of the article (Sept 2012) and the part of the quote that referenced the London Olympics from that paragraph.

    Because naturally the Olympics lasted for two years. Desperate. You and Dr Fox are two of a kind, how about you show some of your own evidence rather than throwing around cheap points ?
    So glad you asked.

    Burglary: In 2012 there were over 7k-8k per month. Year to date in 2015 that's 2k per month down with 5-6k. Down about 30%
    Robbery: In 2012 there were over 3k per month. Year to date in 2015 its been around 1800 per month. Down about 40%
    Theft: Reporting measurements have changed but around 15000-17000 total thefts per month in 2012. Around 14000 per month this year. Down about 20%

    So yes certain types of crime spiked around the London Olympics but are down now.

    Source: http://www.ukcrimestats.com/Subdivisions/GLA/2247/
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    How do you think the max 2 kids qualifying for benefits rule will influence future demographics and the speed of change in our population?

    I'm almost surprised nobody has yet challenged it on Human Rights or racial / cultural grounds
  • I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
  • Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    Equally unsurprising: cheap, online voting tends to maximise Corbynista representation.

    If that's the future of democracy, we're in real trouble.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    You're not mellowing in your oppostion to Corbyn.
  • philiph said:

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    How do you think the max 2 kids qualifying for benefits rule will influence future demographics and the speed of change in our population?

    I'm almost surprised nobody has yet challenged it on Human Rights or racial / cultural grounds
    Very little I suspect. I suspect that vast majority of families either have less than 3 children and/or are not claiming the affected benefits. If you want a third child you can still have a third child, just pay for them yourself like I pay for my (only so far) daughter.
  • Further to previous post - according to YouGov, it's 50% of the general public that describe themselves as from centre to left, as opposed to 44% that go from centre to right.
  • Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    Honest question - if Cameron is followed by a moderate Cameron-style Conservative while Corbyn is indeed elected and drags the party as far left as is feared (without falling victim to a coup) could you see yourself ever voting Conservative in 2020? Or is that something you'd never do under any circumstances?
  • Jonathan said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    You're not mellowing in your oppostion to Corbyn.

    I find him totally repugnant in just about every way imaginable - even if he does have nice manners.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    50% of respondents to the survey self-describe themselves as either centre, left of centre or left. As opposed to 44% who move from centre through to right. That Corbynista views as so out of kilter with such a demographic should give at least a few of them pause for thought. But it won't.

    That would probably account for the bizarre accusations made by Corbynites against the Blairites and publications such as the Guardian.

    In their world, everything to the right of the Morning Star is a Red-Tory traitor to the cause. It’s as though they’ve spent their entire lives on social media, glued to echo chambers.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
  • Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    Honest question - if Cameron is followed by a moderate Cameron-style Conservative while Corbyn is indeed elected and drags the party as far left as is feared (without falling victim to a coup) could you see yourself ever voting Conservative in 2020? Or is that something you'd never do under any circumstances?

    I would not vote Tory because I do not agree with Tory policies. But I would prefer a moderate Tory government to a Corbyn-led Labour one. Not that this is ever going to be even remotely a possibility.

  • Further to previous post - according to YouGov, it's 50% of the general public that describe themselves as from centre to left, as opposed to 44% that go from centre to right.

    I think the term right has been tarnished by its association with racists. Left is taken to mean socialist economically but right is associated with nationalism/racism rather than right-wing economics.

    I suspect many who self-describe as centre could be right-wing economically but self-describe as centre because of that. While for left there is no "shame" in associating with being left.

    I would describe my economic views as "very right wing" but I would never call myself "very right wing" or "far right" as that isn't taken to mean economically.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Corbyn Supporters vs GB

    Utility nationalisation: +55%
    Wealth redistribution: +56%
    Railway Nationalisation: +52%
    Less Private sector NHS: +52%
    Tuition fees government paid: +27%
    No RAF vs ISIS: +27%
    Anti-monarchy: +39%
    Social Media main news source: +25%

    None of these are remotely 'skews' - they have a fundamentally (on the role of the state very markedly so) different view of how Britain should be run.

    This is not going to end well.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955
    edited August 2015
    So they are *all* the more well off telling us they speak for the poorer.

    Room for a 'Peasants Party' somewhere?

    Lessons to be learnt from the early Methodsists / Salvation Army and the more modern (1930s) Pentecostals, perhaps?

    Are there *any* political movements in this country that have genuinely put down roots in the poorer half of the electorate in the last 40 years?
  • I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897

    Corbyn Supporters vs GB

    Utility nationalisation: +55%
    Wealth redistribution: +56%
    Railway Nationalisation: +52%
    Less Private sector NHS: +52%
    Tuition fees government paid: +27%
    No RAF vs ISIS: +27%
    Anti-monarchy: +39%
    Social Media main news source: +25%

    None of these are remotely 'skews' - they have a fundamentally (on the role of the state very markedly so) different view of how Britain should be run.

    This is not going to end well.

    I'm surprised they didn't ask:
    "Do you agree with the statement 'Immigration controls are racist'?"
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    When the going gets tough, the tough get going...offline, number unobtainable.

    Nothing like taking power without responsibility, but Ministers shouldn't be frit, frit, frit of the press.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    What % of the UK did YouGov find were bat-shit crazy?
  • I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    No many of my neighbours are (I'm guessing from language spoken and appearance) ethnically Polish and Arabic. I have no idea about how skilled or unskilled they are, though I wouldn't call myself unskilled.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    It's often said (with justice) that our political leaders have been disingenuous about the levels of immigration that they expect the country to have.

    What level of immigration would you be comfortable with? And how have you reached your conclusion on that?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sir Stephen House falls on his sword Taser:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34072703
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974

    Sir Stephen House falls on his sword Taser:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34072703

    He actually quit 3 days ago, but somehow nobody got the message....
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Yvette Cooper claims that "dodgy employers and agencies" are driving unskilled immigration. How does that make sense? If unskilled migrants got better pay and conditions, surely the UK would be a more attractive place to them, not less of one?
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    What % of the UK did YouGov find were bat-shit crazy?

    Corbyn Supporters : 99%
    Burnham Supporters: 75%
    Cooper Supporters: 60%
    Kendall Supporters: 40%
    General Public: 10%

    ;)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    JEO said:

    Yvette Cooper claims that "dodgy employers and agencies" are driving unskilled immigration. How does that make sense? If unskilled migrants got better pay and conditions, surely the UK would be a more attractive place to them, not less of one?

    None of the candidates to lead the Labour Party seem to be on speaking terms with logic.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    No many of my neighbours are (I'm guessing from language spoken and appearance) ethnically Polish and Arabic. I have no idea about how skilled or unskilled they are, though I wouldn't call myself unskilled.
    Would you say your a ethnic minority in your area you live ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,731

    50% of respondents to the survey self-describe themselves as either centre, left of centre or left. As opposed to 44% who move from centre through to right. That Corbynista views as so out of kilter with such a demographic should give at least a few of them pause for thought. But it won't.

    That would probably account for the bizarre accusations made by Corbynites against the Blairites and publications such as the Guardian.

    In their world, everything to the right of the Morning Star is a Red-Tory traitor to the cause. It’s as though they’ve spent their entire lives on social media, glued to echo chambers.
    Bit worried about the Morning Star sometimes. Has revionist tendencies on occasion.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    What % of the UK did YouGov find were bat-shit crazy?

    Their final UKIP figure was 12%. :smile:

  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    JEO said:

    Yvette Cooper claims that "dodgy employers and agencies" are driving unskilled immigration. How does that make sense? If unskilled migrants got better pay and conditions, surely the UK would be a more attractive place to them, not less of one?

    Very true, and if the results of my little enquiry into the sources of labour in the West Sussex market garden business are accurate and representative then the dodgy agencies are mostly run by immigrants anyway.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Whether you are a fan of mass uncontrolled immigration or think we should have some control, that Cameron promised to get the level down to the tens of thousands and five years on we have record levels is an incredible failure on his part.

    Up there with 'no more boom and bust' as a prediction that went wrong
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    This is concerning:

    Philip Duffy, chief operating officer of the Border Force, warned there is a "continuous beat" of more arranged attempts to sneak into Britain - and said the gang are plotting to use migrants to commit crimes once they get here.

    "There are others who take advantage of less scrupulous hauliers and drivers who will take a fee.

    "At the very higher end you've got more organised attempts where you've got some of the organised crime gangs, some of whom are bringing people in to traffic them for criminal activity in the UK.

    "They are not just migrants, they are bringing them to the UK for crime."

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/599700/Calais-migrants-smuggling-gang-sneak-Britain-commit-crimes-here
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    antifrank said:

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    It's often said (with justice) that our political leaders have been disingenuous about the levels of immigration that they expect the country to have.

    What level of immigration would you be comfortable with? And how have you reached your conclusion on that?
    Ten's of thousands like the liar Cameron told us.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    dr_spyn said:
    James Arbuthnot. tim will be frothing at the mouth.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    SeanT said:

    Plato said:

    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    I made a joke on Facebook (first made on here) about Corbyn not remembering if he'd had tea with himself, and even if he had, "I had no idea I had these Corbynite opinions blah blah"

    It was a fairly mild joke. And yet a hitherto very polite academic got angry and called me a "myopic bigot"

    Bigot?? For telling a joke!

    The irony is that the Corbynites are exactly that: myopic, and bigoted. And humourless. Labour should be terrified.

    Perhaps s/he had always thought you were a myopic bigot, and this was just an excuse to tell you. :)

    Corbynism seems more like a cult, and anything that is negative to it (even mildly) will evoke a strong response. You are challenging the very belief system of the person.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Someone I know from a TV show board got REALLY shouty with me for retweeting a Staggers piece critical of Corbyn "HE'S NOT STALIN!!!"

    I'm afraid that I just looked at her message and thought Can't You See? He stood in front of a banner of Stalin and Mao in Trafalgar Sq...

    All common sense has left the building here.
    SeanT said:

    Plato said:

    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    I made a joke on Facebook (first made on here) about Corbyn not remembering if he'd had tea with himself, and even if he had, "I had no idea I had these Corbynite opinions blah blah"

    It was a fairly mild joke. And yet a hitherto very polite academic got angry and called me a "myopic bigot"

    Bigot?? For telling a joke!

    The irony is that the Corbynites are exactly that: myopic, and bigoted. And humourless. Labour should be terrified.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,253
    Looking at the Issues numbers, I am a fairly typical Jezlamist.

    Ha anyone kept tabs of the voting split of the PB Labourites? Is it just me, NickP and BJO in the Corbyn camp?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    edited August 2015
    SeanT said:

    Plato said:

    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    I made a joke on Facebook (first made on here) about Corbyn not remembering if he'd had tea with himself, and even if he had, "I had no idea I had these Corbynite opinions blah blah"

    It was a fairly mild joke. And yet a hitherto very polite academic got angry and called me a "myopic bigot"

    Bigot?? For telling a joke!

    The irony is that the Corbynites are exactly that: myopic, and bigoted. And humourless. Labour should be terrified.
    I have several ex-colleagues and university friends who post the most ludicrous bollocks on facebook, and act like real dicks to anyone who engages with that online - whereas they were, and are, not like that in 'real life'.

    Personally, I'm getting fed up of facebook now. It's mostly adverts and people posting photos of their kids with how proud they are of their latest clothing, smile, laugh, wee, shit, trip, walk, chuck up, bawl, crawl or fall.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SeanT said:

    Plato said:

    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    I made a joke on Facebook (first made on here) about Corbyn not remembering if he'd had tea with himself, and even if he had, "I had no idea I had these Corbynite opinions blah blah"

    It was a fairly mild joke. And yet a hitherto very polite academic got angry and called me a "myopic bigot"

    Bigot?? For telling a joke!

    The irony is that the Corbynites are exactly that: myopic, and bigoted. And humourless. Labour should be terrified.
    You are not part of the Jezzbollah faithful and therefore a non person.

    Your home will be demolished, you will become a Jezzbollah bridegroom and your books burnt .... (not all bad news then) .... :smile:

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    There was a lovely anecdote from the Fink about his entry to HoL and that a friend loaned him their ermine.

    Before returning the robe, Danny took it to the dry cleaners and was met with Oh, A Santa Costume!
    dr_spyn said:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Ukip seem to be using the hashtag 'borderlessBritain'
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    If I've got this right...

    Conservatives: 26 new peers
    Labour: 8 new peers
    UKIP: 0 new peers
    Liberal Democrats: 11 new peers
    SNP: 0 new peers
    Greens: 0 new peers

    The Lords really is a political stitch-up. I can understand why people are turning against the establishment.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Absolutely absurd quantity of tory lords...
    19 new Lib/Lab peers.
    26 new Con peers.
    So the massive block of lib/lab peers who can be a major nuisance for 5 years decreases by just 7...
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    watford30 said:

    dr_spyn said:
    James Arbuthnot. tim will be frothing at the mouth.
    I remember my Dad saying that he refused to shake hands with James Arbuthnot. Dad had been painting the front door at the time.
  • antifrank said:

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    It's often said (with justice) that our political leaders have been disingenuous about the levels of immigration that they expect the country to have.

    What level of immigration would you be comfortable with? And how have you reached your conclusion on that?
    Well a reasonable limit would be the rate in which the infrastructure and housing is being built to accommodate them. This is clearly being surpassed as we're not building a Nottingham sized amount of transport, hospitals and schools every year UK wide.

    Also worth thinking about is who would benefit the country the most. A mixture of men/women/families from first world countries would be preferable to uneducated young age men from the third world.

    I know of several doctorate level educated people from the US, Australia and Japan who cannot get a visa to come to the UK.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338

    Jonathan said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    You're not mellowing in your oppostion to Corbyn.

    I find him totally repugnant in just about every way imaginable - even if he does have nice manners.

    My thoughts exactly.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    A Spad? Simone Finn – Special Adviser to the Minister of State for Trade
    dr_spyn said:
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    JEO said:

    If I've got this right...

    Conservatives: 26 new peers
    Labour: 8 new peers
    UKIP: 0 new peers
    Liberal Democrats: 11 new peers
    SNP: 0 new peers
    Greens: 0 new peers

    The Lords really is a political stitch-up. I can understand why people are turning against the establishment.

    The SNP would not have peers even if offered.

    UKIP/Green MP numbers are no bigger than independent MPs.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    JEO said:

    If I've got this right...

    Conservatives: 26 new peers
    Labour: 8 new peers
    UKIP: 0 new peers
    Liberal Democrats: 11 new peers
    SNP: 0 new peers
    Greens: 0 new peers

    The Lords really is a political stitch-up. I can understand why people are turning against the establishment.

    That will do very little to redress the balance of the Lords in the Tories favour. LDs/Labour will still have a c.90 Lord advantage.

    Cameron will have to consistently win over the bulk of crossbenchers.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517

    Sir Stephen House falls on his sword Taser:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34072703

    He actually quit 3 days ago, but somehow nobody got the message....
    He also said publicly months ago that he was going so it is hardly news to anyone other than Scott and Carlotta. There files must have got lost in the post.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @handandmouse maybe?

    Looking at the Issues numbers, I am a fairly typical Jezlamist.

    Ha anyone kept tabs of the voting split of the PB Labourites? Is it just me, NickP and BJO in the Corbyn camp?

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656

    JEO said:

    If I've got this right...

    Conservatives: 26 new peers
    Labour: 8 new peers
    UKIP: 0 new peers
    Liberal Democrats: 11 new peers
    SNP: 0 new peers
    Greens: 0 new peers

    The Lords really is a political stitch-up. I can understand why people are turning against the establishment.

    That will do very little to redress the balance of the Lords in the Tories favour. LDs/Labour will still have a c.90 Lord advantage.

    Cameron will have to consistently win over the bulk of crossbenchers.
    It is ludicrous we have a system where the numbers from each party depends on the whims of the Prime Minister at the time. At the least, new appointees should be spread among all the parties that got reasonable vote shares at the last election.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955
    @Plato said:

    >I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've >blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    I'm a huge fan of Dr Eoin.

    He's The Generic Apologist. Everybody else is an apologist for something.

    Dr Eoin just gets things wrong and apologises.

    http://annaraccoon.com/2013/01/13/the-many-apologies-of-dr-eoin-clarke-phd-plnkr-bf/
  • I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    No many of my neighbours are (I'm guessing from language spoken and appearance) ethnically Polish and Arabic. I have no idea about how skilled or unskilled they are, though I wouldn't call myself unskilled.
    Would you say your a ethnic minority in your area you live ?
    No. Though at the bottom of my road most of the shops are in Arabic. My local barber is there, he's a nice guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
  • SunnyJimSunnyJim Posts: 1,106
    Betting Post:

    1410 Stratford Berry De Carjac 200-1 ew (B365, 888, Corals)
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    I've already voted for Corbyn. I leave it for others to decide whether this is an "authentic" vote or not - doesn't seem to be something that the Labour party machine is able to agree on.

    Looking at the Issues numbers, I am a fairly typical Jezlamist.

    Ha anyone kept tabs of the voting split of the PB Labourites? Is it just me, NickP and BJO in the Corbyn camp?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    isam said:

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Ukip seem to be using the hashtag 'borderlessBritain'
    One of the big issues Cameron could have clobbered the new labour leader like open door corbyn with was on immigration,now corbyn can laugh in his face.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Cyclefree said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    You're not mellowing in your oppostion to Corbyn.

    I find him totally repugnant in just about every way imaginable - even if he does have nice manners.

    My thoughts exactly.

    This is a curious phenomenon. There are surely people out there who you disagree with more strongly, who seem to inspire less passionate opposition.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    Animal_pb said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    Equally unsurprising: cheap, online voting tends to maximise Corbynista representation.

    If that's the future of democracy, we're in real trouble.
    I think on-line voting should be made compulsory. We should scrap paper voting slips and polling stations.

    This would encourage more people to vote, particulary young people. It might discourage some elderly from voting but that would be fine. It would help redress the current unfair bias to the elderly in the current system which is corrupting politics and encouraging inter-generational conflict.

    I hope JC adds this to his policies.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've gone from being a very persuadable BINer, to flirting with BOO - to 95% BOO.

    Our border/security matter to me a lot. HMG are failing very badly on immigration and I'm really irked. Our culture is being changed and I've had enough.

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338

    isam said:

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Ukip seem to be using the hashtag 'borderlessBritain'
    One of the big issues Cameron could have clobbered the new labour leader like open door corbyn with was on immigration,now corbyn can laugh in his face.
    Save that Corbyn wants even more immigration and to remove what controls do exist e.g. on the minimum income needed. So Corbyn is hardly like to challenge Cameron on this and if he does Cameron has an easy answer.

  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    @ Plato

    To ask a question or ask for evidence shows, in the eyes of the Left/Far Left, the urgent need for the strong revision and correction of your thought process - you need to be sent away to an improvement camp - same thinking as used in N Korea and under Stalin and Mao.

    In reality only accepted members of the Party are allowed any freedom to think (and then only along strictly prescribed lines) - the rest of the people must accept what they are told without question and obey automatically. It is the ultimate crime to question anything that the beloved Leader and party says. Afraid, you will have to be taken to the Tower via traitors' gate and summarily executed as your case is beyond redemption. Then your corpse can be fed to the wild dogs and cats that roam the city.
    Plato said:

    Someone I know from a TV show board got REALLY shouty with me for retweeting a Staggers piece critical of Corbyn "HE'S NOT STALIN!!!"

    I'm afraid that I just looked at her message and thought Can't You See? He stood in front of a banner of Stalin and Mao in Trafalgar Sq...

    All common sense has left the building here.

    SeanT said:

    Plato said:

    I was depressingly unsurprised by the echo chamber here. Given how many on the farther edges of the Left get incredibly rude/block you for the mildest criticism or simply asking for evidence...

    I'm genuinely astonished when I get retweeted something from Owen Jones or Eoin - they've blocked almost I follow, inc a bunch of soft-Lefties.

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    I made a joke on Facebook (first made on here) about Corbyn not remembering if he'd had tea with himself, and even if he had, "I had no idea I had these Corbynite opinions blah blah"

    It was a fairly mild joke. And yet a hitherto very polite academic got angry and called me a "myopic bigot"

    Bigot?? For telling a joke!

    The irony is that the Corbynites are exactly that: myopic, and bigoted. And humourless. Labour should be terrified.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,170
    @corbynjokes@corbynjokes 5 mins
    I'm not saying my mother-in-law is unpopular but she got voted out of parliament and parachuted into the House of Lords.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469

    The Corbynista royal family figure is a bit of an eye-opener. Talk about being out of touch with modern Britain.

    Oh I don't know, you'll may be able to catch up with the rest of us sometime.......
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Re: Immigration.

    Cameron and May's problem is the English & Welsh judiciary and their interpretation of thee ECHR rulings. The judiciary either needs re-education or given strict guidelines so that our borders can be safeguarded.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    I see the Lib Dems have got their bonuses for helping the Tories , free money for the rest of their wretched lives
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Cyclefree said:

    isam said:

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Ukip seem to be using the hashtag 'borderlessBritain'
    One of the big issues Cameron could have clobbered the new labour leader like open door corbyn with was on immigration,now corbyn can laugh in his face.
    Save that Corbyn wants even more immigration and to remove what controls do exist e.g. on the minimum income needed. So Corbyn is hardly like to challenge Cameron on this and if he does Cameron has an easy answer.

    Corbyn as the easier answer,Cameron told false truths of getting immigration down to ten's of thousands.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,517
    Financier said:

    Re: Immigration.

    Cameron and May's problem is the English & Welsh judiciary and their interpretation of thee ECHR rulings. The judiciary either needs re-education or given strict guidelines so that our borders can be safeguarded.

    Good gracious yes we cannot have them independent and thinking for themselves , they must be tools for the Tories.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    SeanT said:

    48% of KENDALL supporters are "strongly in favour of nationalising utilities" - a clearly insane policy, desired by just 31% of Brits.

    Labour. Doomed.


    Just out of curiosity, although I know the Stuarts found it handy as a way of rewarding their favourites, what is the argument against nationalising natural monopolies?

    I can't see any obvious reason to grant substantial monopoly income to private interests and lots of reason to keep them in public ownership.

    I am also old enough to remember when we had substantial public ownership in the UK, and it seemed to work well enough.

    If that makes me, and 31% of the rest of the population, insane it would be good to know the reason.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Sir Stephen House falls on his sword Taser:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34072703

    He actually quit 3 days ago, but somehow nobody got the message....
    He also said publicly months ago that he was going so it is hardly news to anyone other than
    The Courier: http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/scotland/police-scotland-chief-constable-sir-stephen-house-quits-1.896815

    STV: http://news.stv.tv/scotland/1327509-head-of-police-scotland-sir-stephen-house-to-step-down-in-three-months/

    Glasgow Evening Times: http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/13630463.Sir_Stephen_House_led_transition_to_single_Scotland_police_force/

    Falkirk Herald: http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/news/local-news/police-chief-to-step-down-1-3870428

    Wrong again malcolm......got any oil price forecasts you'd like to share?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,170
    Financier said:


    The judiciary either needs re-education

    Financier said:

    in the eyes of the Left/Far Left, the urgent need for the strong revision and correction of your thought process - you need to be sent away to an improvement camp - same thinking as used in N Korea and under Stalin and Mao.

    Chortle.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Prime Minister David Cameron has handed out peerages to 26 Conservatives including former foreign secretary William Hague.

    Some 45 new peers have been appointed - despite criticism that there are too many already.

    The majority of the new appointees are Tories, with the Lib Dems getting 11 and Labour eight.

    Senior Labour figures to be elevated include David Blunkett, Alistair Darling and Tessa Jowell.

    Among seven former Lib Dem MPs to be ennobled are former leader Sir Menzies Campbell and Sir Alan Beith.

    Former Lib Dem ministers Vince Cable and Danny Alexander, who both lost their seats at the general election, are thought to have turned down the chance to enter the Lords.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34072201
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,669
    Plato said:

    I've gone from being a very persuadable BINer, to flirting with BOO - to 95% BOO.

    Our border/security matter to me a lot. HMG are failing very badly on immigration and I'm really irked. Our culture is being changed and I've had enough.

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Not questioning your BOO choice, but what's your country you want to be like, border-wise?

    When you look around Europe, or the world, which is the country you most want to emulate as far as Visa-free access, etc.?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    No many of my neighbours are (I'm guessing from language spoken and appearance) ethnically Polish and Arabic. I have no idea about how skilled or unskilled they are, though I wouldn't call myself unskilled.
    Would you say your a ethnic minority in your area you live ?
    No. Though at the bottom of my road most of the shops are in Arabic. My local barber is there, he's a nice guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
    Come off it,your area is no where near what I'm talking about.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    If that makes me, and 31% of the rest of the population, insane it would be good to know the reason.

    I think the answer is to be found in the preceding paragraph of your post.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    Jonathan said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Jonathan said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    There is nothing naïve about Corbyn. And those who vote for him are not naïve in ignoring his anti-western viewpoint. The irony of relying on social media for your news and seeing the US as the great Satan is no doubt lost on them.

    You're not mellowing in your oppostion to Corbyn.

    I find him totally repugnant in just about every way imaginable - even if he does have nice manners.

    My thoughts exactly.

    This is a curious phenomenon. There are surely people out there who you disagree with more strongly, who seem to inspire less passionate opposition.
    They are not standing for leadership of the Labour Party. And I do value having a decent left of centre social democratic party in this country, that could act as a viable opposition and form a government - even if it would appear that Labour party members and supporters don't. Whereas if Corbyn wins we will have a Labour party which will be something more akin to Respect, a wholly malign force, IMO.

  • I gave Cameron my trust on immigration,he's nothing more than a big fat liar.

    The new Tories will lose voters just like new labour did on immigration.

    Who will they be lost to? Realistically voting UKIP is no different to abstaining, while Labour aren't exactly going to win votes on the subject. No other party seems relevant to a conversation on immigration.
    What you need Mr Thompson is a dose of real life living in a poor inner city multicultural area where more and more poor unskilled people are being shoved in.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    I live in a multicultural area.
    What you have a Chinese restaurant at the end of the street.

    I also mentioned the words poor and poor unskilled immigration.
    No many of my neighbours are (I'm guessing from language spoken and appearance) ethnically Polish and Arabic. I have no idea about how skilled or unskilled they are, though I wouldn't call myself unskilled.
    Would you say your a ethnic minority in your area you live ?
    No. Though at the bottom of my road most of the shops are in Arabic. My local barber is there, he's a nice guy. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
    Come off it,your area is no where near what I'm talking about.
    You asked me a question. You don't know my area but I don't see how its relevant or why I should care at all. I don't care.

    There are many areas where voting Labour and voting for Corbyn style economics is very popular. I don't agree with them, nor do I agree with others I disagree with. Strange that.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    malcolmg said:

    Financier said:

    Re: Immigration.

    Cameron and May's problem is the English & Welsh judiciary and their interpretation of thee ECHR rulings. The judiciary either needs re-education or given strict guidelines so that our borders can be safeguarded.

    Good gracious yes we cannot have them independent and thinking for themselves , they must be tools for the Tories.
    Alternatively they could make judgements on the basis of what parliament said, rather than what the judge wished parliament had said.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    Barnesian said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Mind you, none of this is remotely surprising. 'Naive extreme-left winger draws support from naive extreme left-wingers' seems a bit of a non-headline.

    Equally unsurprising: cheap, online voting tends to maximise Corbynista representation.

    If that's the future of democracy, we're in real trouble.
    I think on-line voting should be made compulsory. We should scrap paper voting slips and polling stations.

    This would encourage more people to vote, particulary young people. It might discourage some elderly from voting but that would be fine. It would help redress the current unfair bias to the elderly in the current system which is corrupting politics and encouraging inter-generational conflict.

    I hope JC adds this to his policies.
    What a curious view. You are fine with not having older people vote while trying to make it easier for younger people who are well able to get off their backsides and go and vote. There is no unfair bias going on. The fact that policies are geared to the old is because they do vote. The young have the vote. They choose not exercise their vote and must, like grown ups, live with the consequences. The answer is very literally in their hands: the pencil or the postal vote.

  • I am sick and tired of seeing questions such as the one framed in this survey by YouGov which asks the question:

    "Think tuition fees should be paid ENTIRELY by government"

    The government doesn't have any money, none whatsoever. Its only source of money is to take it from taxpayers, or to borrow it, which ultimately has to be repaid by taxpayers.

    I wonder to what extent the responses to such questions would vary, were the same question be differently, yet more honestly framed as follows:

    "Think tuition fees should be paid ENTIRELY by taxpayers"

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited August 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Plato said:

    I've gone from being a very persuadable BINer, to flirting with BOO - to 95% BOO.

    Our border/security matter to me a lot. HMG are failing very badly on immigration and I'm really irked. Our culture is being changed and I've had enough.

    Today's immigration numbers show how we could exit the EU: if the referendum becomes not about the EU as such, but - like the 1974 "Who governs Britain?" election - becomes "who controls Britain's borders?" If the No camp can get people to vote on the basis of No = control over our own borders, Yes = control of our borders by Brussels, they may hit a very raw nerve. If the vote becomes polarised around that issue, then No wins. If...

    The problem is in seeing the people who are able to steer the debate in that direction.

    Not questioning your BOO choice, but what's your country you want to be like, border-wise?

    When you look around Europe, or the world, which is the country you most want to emulate as far as Visa-free access, etc.?
    Australia, possibly Canada.
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