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edited August 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The ethnic minority vote could be decisive in London’s Mayoral election where nearly 40% were born overseas

If the election for the next Mayor of London were between the following candidates, whom would you vote for as the next Mayor of London with your first vote?

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  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited August 2015
    Burnham just did an I agree with Jeremy speech.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Would a Corbyn victory boost Khan's chances over Jowell? I know next to nothing about these politicians and their views, except Khan's worrying associations with certain individuals.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015
    Moses_ said:

    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



    What is it with TV producers thinking it's fine to con viewers? We had it before with an Attenborough programme showing baby polar bears supposedly filmed in the wild but which actually turned out to have been shot in captivity.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Mr. JS, I remember that particular instance. It's just plain deceitful.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    They were jolly good dogs - some people really need to get a life, complaining over two dogs completing a set of tricks?

    If you paid any attention it was obviously two mutts. And it was a combination act with another one with three legs FFS.

    Apparently the lady got hate mail over it - jeez.
    Moses_ said:

    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Miss Plato, people get hate mail over anything. Remember that scientist's shirt? He worked on the Philae[sp] lander, wore a shirt made by a female friend (it had some scantily clad ladies on it), and some harridans reduced him almost to tears with their venom, forcing an apology.
  • Oliver_PBOliver_PB Posts: 397
    AndyJS said:

    Moses_ said:

    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



    What is it with TV producers thinking it's fine to con viewers? We had it before with an Attenborough programme showing baby polar bears supposedly filmed in the wild but which actually turned out to filmed in captivity.
    Because so much of TV involves fakery that it's not always easy for them to gauge when they're stepping over the line into unacceptable fraud.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Goldsmith worth a punt.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    The only thing that keeps the Conservatives competitive in London is the relatively poor turnout amongst ethnic minority voters, and a big advantage in the suburbs in Outer London.

    But, eventually, the demographics of the city will change so much that even this advantage will not be enough. The question then becomes whether the Conservatives can broaden their appeal in those groups sufficiently, or if London moves into an entirely different political realm for good.

    My money would be more on the latter.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Outrage Bus is a fleet business these days
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, people get hate mail over anything. Remember that scientist's shirt? He worked on the Philae[sp] lander, wore a shirt made by a female friend (it had some scantily clad ladies on it), and some harridans reduced him almost to tears with their venom, forcing an apology.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    AndyJS said:

    Moses_ said:

    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



    What is it with TV producers thinking it's fine to con viewers? We had it before with an Attenborough programme showing baby polar bears supposedly filmed in the wild but which actually turned out to have been shot in captivity.
    If people can lie and get away with it, they will.

    There's always a justification that can be used to rationalise it.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, people get hate mail over anything. Remember that scientist's shirt? He worked on the Philae[sp] lander, wore a shirt made by a female friend (it had some scantily clad ladies on it), and some harridans reduced him almost to tears with their venom, forcing an apology.

    "harridans", "venom"? Sounds like a hate campaign on the Internet to me.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Plato said:

    The Outrage Bus is a fleet business these days

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, people get hate mail over anything. Remember that scientist's shirt? He worked on the Philae[sp] lander, wore a shirt made by a female friend (it had some scantily clad ladies on it), and some harridans reduced him almost to tears with their venom, forcing an apology.

    Even Songs of Praise is not immune to the professional whiners
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    I think Zac can appeal outside the traditional Tory demographic !

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Casino_Royale said:

    The only thing that keeps the Conservatives competitive in London is the relatively poor turnout amongst ethnic minority voters, and a big advantage in the suburbs in Outer London.

    But, eventually, the demographics of the city will change so much that even this advantage will not be enough. The question then becomes whether the Conservatives can broaden their appeal in those groups sufficiently, or if London moves into an entirely different political realm for good.

    My money would be more on the latter.

    Of course, the demographics of London will be shaped by policy, and the Conservatives look likely to have control over immigration policy for the next 10 years. They have the ability to reverse Labour's gerrymandering of the electorate in London. Whether they have the will to do that is another question. It will certainly be damaging if London, the engine of the UK economy, ends up with the Labour left in control because Conservatives can not get a grip on both legal and illegal migration. Sadiq Khan is already proposing to make white British people legally disadvantaged. Jowell wants to ban advertising of healthy looking women. Lammy wants to give out passports to whoever can smuggle themselves into the country.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Plato said:

    They were jolly good dogs - some people really need to get a life, complaining over two dogs completing a set of tricks?

    If you paid any attention it was obviously two mutts. And it was a combination act with another one with three legs FFS.

    Apparently the lady got hate mail over it - jeez.

    Moses_ said:

    Hold the front page

    BGT stunt dog found guilty of deceiving the public. Ofcom rules . ITV to pay back money spent on the voting process.

    Hey lads and lasses if Corby doesn't win you might get your 3 quid back.



    I agree ....my view was the lady managed to train 3 dogs to be clever not just two.

    The act was pretty cool though.....
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Lammy announced he'll offer amnesty to 300k illegals if he wins
    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The only thing that keeps the Conservatives competitive in London is the relatively poor turnout amongst ethnic minority voters, and a big advantage in the suburbs in Outer London.

    But, eventually, the demographics of the city will change so much that even this advantage will not be enough. The question then becomes whether the Conservatives can broaden their appeal in those groups sufficiently, or if London moves into an entirely different political realm for good.

    My money would be more on the latter.

    Of course, the demographics of London will be shaped by policy, and the Conservatives look likely to have control over immigration policy for the next 10 years. They have the ability to reverse Labour's gerrymandering of the electorate in London. Whether they have the will to do that is another question. It will certainly be damaging if London, the engine of the UK economy, ends up with the Labour left in control because Conservatives can not get a grip on both legal and illegal migration. Sadiq Khan is already proposing to make white British people legally disadvantaged. Jowell wants to ban advertising of healthy looking women. Lammy wants to give out passports to whoever can smuggle themselves into the country.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Surely LK-JC-YC-AB?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    I was born overseas - but so what? I' m a UK Citizen, and have been resident here since I was four months old (early 1976).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    Charles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Surely LK-JC-YC-AB?
    JC-LK-AB-YC pour moi!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Spokesperson for Yvette Cooper: "If [Andy] isn't prepared to offer an alternative to Jeremy, he needs to step back and leave it to Yvette".
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    FPT
    calum said:

    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13599931.New_Scottish_Labour_leader_Kezia_Dugdale_inherits_an_in_tray_of_problems/

    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion. Matheson has already said he'll be pursing a Holyrood spot.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.

    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    Am I the only one here who's never watched BGT?

    :)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @krishgm: "Holocaust denial is vile and wrong" Jeremy Corbyn tells #c4news tonight admitting he has attended Deir Yassin Remembered events years ago
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    BBC2 9pm - "The Scandalous Lady W"

    Any resemblance to any person living or dead is entirely hilarious. :smile:
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Charles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Surely LK-JC-YC-AB?
    That was my initial thought, but YC is my preferred choice from a betting perspective.

    And a hat tip to @Sunil for calling out the poster called @Monty as a troll.

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    "Survation finds generic LAB has 9% lead"

    Since when has voting for the London Mayor been generic?

  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Who asked for Brown to Benny hill?

    http://order-order.com/2015/08/16/gordon-prowls/#:PDnbyw72o8-q2A
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I was born overseas - but so what? I' m a UK Citizen, and have been resident here since I was four months old (early 1976).

    Did you enter via Calais? .... I think PB should be told.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JackW said:

    BBC2 9pm - "The Scandalous Lady W"

    Any resemblance to any person living or dead is entirely hilarious. :smile:

    I though Lady W's peccidillo was the shoe shops of Bond St and environs...
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited August 2015
    JEO said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    The only thing that keeps the Conservatives competitive in London is the relatively poor turnout amongst ethnic minority voters, and a big advantage in the suburbs in Outer London.

    But, eventually, the demographics of the city will change so much that even this advantage will not be enough. The question then becomes whether the Conservatives can broaden their appeal in those groups sufficiently, or if London moves into an entirely different political realm for good.

    My money would be more on the latter.

    Of course, the demographics of London will be shaped by policy, and the Conservatives look likely to have control over immigration policy for the next 10 years. They have the ability to reverse Labour's gerrymandering of the electorate in London. Whether they have the will to do that is another question. It will certainly be damaging if London, the engine of the UK economy, ends up with the Labour left in control because Conservatives can not get a grip on both legal and illegal migration. Sadiq Khan is already proposing to make white British people legally disadvantaged. Jowell wants to ban advertising of healthy looking women. Lammy wants to give out passports to whoever can smuggle themselves into the country.
    If the Tories wanted a more Conservative-friendly London, they could always stretch the boundaries a little... there are a couple of places around the fringes which are contiguous with the outer suburbs but which fall outside the London boroughs. There is certainly some potential for geographic gerrymandering.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    JackW said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I was born overseas - but so what? I' m a UK Citizen, and have been resident here since I was four months old (early 1976).

    Did you enter via Calais? .... I think PB should be told.

    I first lived in Colchester, then after a brief stint in Streatham, south London, moved to Ilford in 1978.
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Am I the only one here who's never watched BGT?

    :)

    Nope.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    was my initial thought, but YC is my preferred choice from a betting perspective.

    And a hat tip to @Sunil for calling out the poster called @Monty as a troll.

    Thanks, Hertsmere - did you find out for sure?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    foxinsoxuk said:

    JackW said:

    BBC2 9pm - "The Scandalous Lady W"

    Any resemblance to any person living or dead is entirely hilarious. :smile:

    I though Lady W's peccidillo was the shoe shops of Bond St and environs...
    Other foibles are certainly not suitable for a family show such as PB .... especially before the BBC2 watershed at 9pm !!

  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    What is BGT..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,166
    richardDodd said:

    What is BGT..

    Britain's Got Talent

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain's_Got_Talent
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    JackW said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I was born overseas - but so what? I' m a UK Citizen, and have been resident here since I was four months old (early 1976).

    Did you enter via Calais? .... I think PB should be told.

    I first lived in Colchester, then after a brief stint in Streatham, south London, moved to Ilford in 1978.
    Thank you for that clever politicians answer to a question I did not ask. :smile:



  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited August 2015
    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early July, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare-footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me; tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fellsm even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her "we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks' Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, people get hate mail over anything. Remember that scientist's shirt? He worked on the Philae[sp] lander, wore a shirt made by a female friend (it had some scantily clad ladies on it), and some harridans reduced him almost to tears with their venom, forcing an apology.

    Then there was the tar-and-feathering of Tim Hunt. I would call this process a kind of social "reversion to the gutter".
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Britain's Got Talent.

    For anyone who likes these show - America's Got Talent is on TruTV.
    richardDodd said:

    What is BGT..

  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    edited August 2015
    Charles said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Basically, despite all the gibbering from the Labour establishment that someone, ANYONE, has to pull out, there's no tactical dimension to it at all. You can safely rank the candidates according to your actual preference. I'm going to put them in ascending order of boringness: JC-LK-YC-AB.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me, tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fells even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her" we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    Windows 10?
    You are not lucky aren't you.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    was my initial thought, but YC is my preferred choice from a betting perspective.

    And a hat tip to @Sunil for calling out the poster called @Monty as a troll.

    Thanks, Hertsmere - did you find out for sure?
    He spent all evening going on about how he was going to personally get me blocked from voting.

    They went to the effort of finding out my real name from Twitter and 'felt good' sending an email to whoever to get me blocked.

    And today my voting papers dropped onto the door mat.
    I'd say that's evidence enough.


  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me, tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fells even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her" we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    Finished my bottle? Need a wager to try for another one??

    YHM
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Bugger. BTW, what did you get Herself for her special day?
    HurstLlama said:

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early July, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare-footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me; tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fellsm even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her "we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks' Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    As you are purchasing a foreign libation sullied with an "e" I offer you nothing but contempt and you good lady my profound sympathies. :smile:

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    I was born overseas - but so what? I' m a UK Citizen, and have been resident here since I was four months old (early 1976).

    Was it a deliberate decision for you to be born overseas? (No offence intended).
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    This morning I read from Casino Royale that he still can't get it about Trump's appeal.

    Let me help, Trump's appeal is part a TV show and part voter anger, example take this from the last time Trump might have run in 2012 and add today's The Donald Trump Show episode 77 (Trump in the Jury):

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/dlpw9d/back-in-black---trump-2012

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpu5l7uay3g&feature=youtu.be
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    rullko said:

    FPT

    calum said:

    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13599931.New_Scottish_Labour_leader_Kezia_Dugdale_inherits_an_in_tray_of_problems/

    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion. Matheson has already said he'll be pursing a Holyrood spot.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.

    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?
    I think Matheson will be targeting the Glasgow and West of Scotland lists - each region has 4 SLAB constituency seats which will likely convert to list seats. Results by region see:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

    Should he not get a SLAB regional list spot I don't think there would be anything stopping him standing as an Independent. There may well be a few high profile independence supporters who are not aligned with SNP who may also try their luck e.g. Craig Murray etc
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Charles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Surely LK-JC-YC-AB?
    Mine is LK-YC-JC-AB

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    Or spelt.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    Connemara Malt is very nice and spelled with an "e".

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    Bushmills whiskey is good.
    http://www.bushmills.com/
  • agingjbagingjb Posts: 76
    Numerate gamblers giving a fourth preference in an ATV election with four candidates; what larks.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Hurst Llama...You sound like me...I had a treasured pair of Timberland boots for ten years and they served me well all over the globe...one day one of them leaked.....I took them back to Timberland on Bond street and told them they leaked and could they repair them.
    "No Sir Timberland boots do not leak".
    "Yes they do..this one here"
    "No Sir, our boots do not leak"
    This exchange went on for a few minutes and the assistant eventually took my old battered boots away and brought me a brand new pair, saying "Our boots do not leak".
    Timberland is one of my favourite stores and gets a load of dosh from me every Christmas...because their boots don't leak.
    Everything else seems to be wearing out rapidly tho.. including me.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313
    JackW said:

    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early July, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare-footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me; tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fellsm even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her "we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks' Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    As you are purchasing a foreign libation sullied with an "e" I offer you nothing but contempt and you good lady my profound sympathies. :smile:

    Hmm are you saying Northern Irish whiskey is "foreign"? Not sure where a Jacobite would stand on the union with Ireland.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeSmithson said:

    Charles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Good evening everyone.
    My leadership voting papers arrived today.
    Can we have a thread explaining how AV works?
    Currently I'm thinking LK-YC-JC-AB.

    Surely LK-JC-YC-AB?
    Mine is LK-YC-JC-AB

    LK- then not sure but most likely- JC-AB-YC
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    calum said:

    rullko said:

    FPT

    calum said:

    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13599931.New_Scottish_Labour_leader_Kezia_Dugdale_inherits_an_in_tray_of_problems/

    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion. Matheson has already said he'll be pursing a Holyrood spot.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.

    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?
    I think Matheson will be targeting the Glasgow and West of Scotland lists - each region has 4 SLAB constituency seats which will likely convert to list seats. Results by region see:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

    Should he not get a SLAB regional list spot I don't think there would be anything stopping him standing as an Independent. There may well be a few high profile independence supporters who are not aligned with SNP who may also try their luck e.g. Craig Murray etc
    It'd be bizarre for Matheson to stand as an independent. Surely he can't think he has any personal support?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    I know what I like to drink thank you, Mr P..

    Whisky is fine for those special occasions and when someone else is paying (waves at the good Dr. FoxInSox - the bottle didn't last too long we can talk about another bet if you like) but for "everyday" use whiskey is the preferred tiple.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @cathynewman: So @Corbyn4Leader admits he may have given money to group run by Holocaust denier but says wouldn't have done had he known his views #c4news
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Well if voting intentions on PB tonight are anything to go by LK is a shoo in.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Speedy said:

    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me, tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fells even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her" we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    Windows 10?
    You are not lucky aren't you.
    Depends what he had before. If was windows 8, its an easy decision. If its windows 7, not so easy, plus and minuses. Every machine I have moved to ten has significantly improved in performance. For windows 7 users though, can you cope with a start menu designed by people who really don't want you to have one and are making it as lacking in usefulness as much as they can?
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    Moses_ said:

    Well if voting intentions on PB tonight are anything to go by LK is a shoo in.

    Not sure about that, but it does look like everyone's putting Burnham last.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HurstLlama said:

    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    I know what I like to drink thank you, Mr P..

    Whisky is fine for those special occasions and when someone else is paying (waves at the good Dr. FoxInSox - the bottle didn't last too long we can talk about another bet if you like) but for "everyday" use whiskey is the preferred tiple.
    Glad you enjoyed it. No wager springs to mind, and there is a risk that I may deplete your stock for a change!
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    rullko said:

    calum said:

    rullko said:

    FPT

    calum said:

    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:


    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.

    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?
    I think Matheson will be targeting the Glasgow and West of Scotland lists - each region has 4 SLAB constituency seats which will likely convert to list seats. Results by region see:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

    Should he not get a SLAB regional list spot I don't think there would be anything stopping him standing as an Independent. There may well be a few high profile independence supporters who are not aligned with SNP who may also try their luck e.g. Craig Murray etc
    It'd be bizarre for Matheson to stand as an independent. Surely he can't think he has any personal support?
    If he were to stand in Glasgow and secured just 7% of the vote, that might be enough to scrape a seat. The Glasgow list is starting to look pretty interesting with Tommy Sheridan standing, Tommy's best ever vote was around 18% in Glasgow and it would be a brave pundit who would write off his chances of getting a seat. Ruth D and Patrick H each got a seat with around 6% of the vote in 2011 - I think Ruth's decision to try her luck in Lothian was very sensible as the Tories would be lucky to get a seat.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    rullko said:

    Moses_ said:

    Well if voting intentions on PB tonight are anything to go by LK is a shoo in.

    Not sure about that, but it does look like everyone's putting Burnham last.
    I'm putting him either first or second.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    edited August 2015
    chestnut said:

    Goldsmith worth a punt.

    I've just registered with the Conservative Party and paid my £1 to vote in the primary to pick the Tory candidate. I'll be voting for Zac Goldsmith. I might even vote for him in the actual mayoral election.

    In some ways, he reminds me of Jeremy Corbyn. He is independent, speaks normally, supports many policies I agree with (eg he is strongly anti-TTIP). I think he is worth a punt.

    "Thank you for registering for the Conservative London Mayoral Selection
    Our admin team will now check that you are eligible to vote in the primary.
    Once this process has been successfully completed, we’ll send an email to confirm your registration".

    I just have to pass their checks that I am eligible to vote in the primary. I think I am.


  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    DONT TRUST POLLS ESPECIALLY POLLS THIS FAR OUT
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Moses_ said:

    Well if voting intentions on PB tonight are anything to go by LK is a shoo in.

    As a party game it might be interesting to compare a PB poll nowish with the result.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Corbyn on Raed Salah: "He did not at any stage utter any antisemitic remarks to me". The next Labour leader actually said that.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited August 2015
    richardDodd said:

    Hurst Llama...You sound like me...I had a treasured pair of Timberland boots for ten years and they served me well all over the globe...one day one of them leaked.....I took them back to Timberland on Bond street and told them they leaked and could they repair them.
    "No Sir Timberland boots do not leak".
    "Yes they do..this one here"
    "No Sir, our boots do not leak"
    This exchange went on for a few minutes and the assistant eventually took my old battered boots away and brought me a brand new pair, saying "Our boots do not leak".
    Timberland is one of my favourite stores and gets a load of dosh from me every Christmas...because their boots don't leak.
    Everything else seems to be wearing out rapidly tho.. including me.

    Thanks for that. My son also swears by Timberland boots and their kit generally. I am holding back from buying new boots, though, I am not sure I would get the wear out of them.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    Pulpstar said:

    I think Zac can appeal outside the traditional Tory demographic !

    As I mentioned below, he appeals to me and I'm certainly not the traditional demographic! His campaign couild catch fire.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Just thinking about Andy's chances of ending up in Jerry's Shad Cab, if and when JC stands down - that'll surely kill his sidekick off career wise too?

    Mind you, after his dreadful campaign - it'd probably be dead anyway now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    Scott_P said:

    @cathynewman: So @Corbyn4Leader admits he may have given money to group run by Holocaust denier but says wouldn't have done had he known his views #c4news

    So either Corbyn is a fool - or he thinks we are....
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Greek government on its 'last legs' while Angela Merkel faces growing rebellion in Berlin

    'Deep wounds' within ruling Syriza party and growing disquiet in Berlin threaten to derail political support for a new €86bn Greek rescue"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11807076/Greek-government-on-its-last-legs-while-Angela-Merkel-faces-growing-rebellion-in-Berlin.html
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2015
    The variety of non-denial denials is quite entertaining. *to me* and *Jeremy's office are unaware*

    It reminds me of Dair saying Ah, but that was in February - it's July...
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn on Raed Salah: "He did not at any stage utter any antisemitic remarks to me". The next Labour leader actually said that.

  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    calum said:

    rullko said:

    calum said:

    rullko said:

    FPT
    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?

    I think Matheson will be targeting the Glasgow and West of Scotland lists - each region has 4 SLAB constituency seats which will likely convert to list seats. Results by region see:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2011

    Should he not get a SLAB regional list spot I don't think there would be anything stopping him standing as an Independent. There may well be a few high profile independence supporters who are not aligned with SNP who may also try their luck e.g. Craig Murray etc
    It'd be bizarre for Matheson to stand as an independent. Surely he can't think he has any personal support?
    If he were to stand in Glasgow and secured just 7% of the vote, that might be enough to scrape a seat. The Glasgow list is starting to look pretty interesting with Tommy Sheridan standing, Tommy's best ever vote was around 18% in Glasgow and it would be a brave pundit who would write off his chances of getting a seat. Ruth D and Patrick H each got a seat with around 6% of the vote in 2011 - I think Ruth's decision to try her luck in Lothian was very sensible as the Tories would be lucky to get a seat.
    Tommy got 4.1% in 2007, at a time when his star was much higher (he'd just won his libel case and hadn't yet been charged with perjury) and the SNP were much weaker. Don't think he's got a hope.

    No way Matheson will get anywhere near 7%. He has no personal following, and SLAB's already down to the core of its core.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    foxinsoxuk said:

    HurstLlama said:

    Scott_P said:

    HurstLlama said:

    I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    There's your problem, right there.

    It's spelled, Whisky...
    I know what I like to drink thank you, Mr P..

    Whisky is fine for those special occasions and when someone else is paying (waves at the good Dr. FoxInSox - the bottle didn't last too long we can talk about another bet if you like) but for "everyday" use whiskey is the preferred tiple.
    Glad you enjoyed it. No wager springs to mind, and there is a risk that I may deplete your stock for a change!
    Deplete my sock, forsooth! If I had a stock of drinking whisky I would not be bemoaning that I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    Ah, those happy long lost working days when one would be sent a case of scotch as a thank you.

    Anyway, I can't think of a suitable bet either, but if I could I would have no fear or worry about losing to a gent such as yourself.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Have just completed and posted my ballot for the Labour Leadership election

    For leader I voted:

    1. Burnham
    2. Kendall
    3. Corbyn
    4. Cooper

    For Deputy I voted:

    1. Creasy
    2. Flint
    3. Bradshaw
    4. Watson
    5. Eagle
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: So just to be clear. According to Corbyn it's OK to hang out with racists so long as they don't so anything racist when you're around.

    @DPJHodges: .@cj980088 You can literally do or say anything anti-semitic. so long as you're on the hard-Left.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2015
    Mating for life - that's so sweet. Like swans. :love:
    HYUFD said:

    Have just completed and posted my ballot for the Labour Leadership election

    For leader I voted:

    1. Burnham
    2. Kendall
    3. Corbyn
    4. Cooper

    For Deputy I voted:

    1. Creasy
    2. Flint
    3. Bradshaw
    4. Watson
    5. Eagle

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tim Stanley in the Telegraph:

    "Jeremy Corbyn's campaign is a rational response to 30 years of compromise and failure

    The Corbynites believe that socialism is self-evidently popular and that only the Labour establishment stands in the way of victory. Their fight for a party rooted in principle goes back 30 years"

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11805191/Jeremy-Corbyns-campaign-is-a-rational-response-to-30-years-of-compromise-and-failure.html
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338


    Scott_P said:

    @cathynewman: So @Corbyn4Leader admits he may have given money to group run by Holocaust denier but says wouldn't have done had he known his views #c4news

    And did he not think to do any due diligence on the group?

    Either naive or he is being disingenuous.

    I had a case a few years ago where a banker lent money to a friend without inquiring into what it would be used for but on anticipation of a 40% return within a few months. It clearly fell into the "too good to be true" category. Unfortunately for this fellow, the friend used the money for insider dealing and the banker who was paid, unwittingly, from the proceeds of that crime found his bank account and reputation irrevocably tainted by his astonishing failure to ask some questions and do some basic research.

    I think we have a right - the Labour Party has a right - to expect its leader to have a bit more common sense than that.
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    edited August 2015
    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn on Raed Salah: "He did not at any stage utter any antisemitic remarks to me". The next Labour leader actually said that.

    To be fair there are loads of senior lefties and Labourites who have associated far too closely with Islamists, Holocaust deniers, terrorists. It's just that Jezbollah is the first to get real scrutiny on the issue.
    Well, yes. Burnham and Cooper were both members of a government which didn't just say cordial things about anti-semites, but actively armed Gaddafi, al-Assad and the Saudis.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Plato said:

    Mating for life - that's so sweet. Like swans. :love:

    HYUFD said:

    Have just completed and posted my ballot for the Labour Leadership election

    For leader I voted:

    1. Burnham
    2. Kendall
    3. Corbyn
    4. Cooper

    For Deputy I voted:

    1. Creasy
    2. Flint
    3. Bradshaw
    4. Watson
    5. Eagle

    I will be voting Tory in 2020, but I still think Burnham is the best of the 4
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,512
    SeanT said:

    richardDodd said:

    Hurst Llama...You sound like me...I had a treasured pair of Timberland boots for ten years and they served me well all over the globe...one day one of them leaked.....I took them back to Timberland on Bond street and told them they leaked and could they repair them.
    "No Sir Timberland boots do not leak".
    "Yes they do..this one here"
    "No Sir, our boots do not leak"
    This exchange went on for a few minutes and the assistant eventually took my old battered boots away and brought me a brand new pair, saying "Our boots do not leak".
    Timberland is one of my favourite stores and gets a load of dosh from me every Christmas...because their boots don't leak.
    Everything else seems to be wearing out rapidly tho.. including me.

    The best walking boots in the world are Italian. Scarpa.



    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scarpa-Mens-SL-Active--/dp/B0069WHERA/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1439838280&sr=8-9&keywords=scarpa+boots
    Agree with that. I got through five pairs of Scarpa Trek II's in a year, and they are my boot of choice now.

    http://www.buachaille.com/p1676-0-1/2-3-Season-Hiking-Boots/Scarpa-Trek-II-GTX-Mens.html

    The only boots I never need to break in: I just put some insoles in them, lace 'em up and head for the hills.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @rosschawkins: Burnham campaign source on Cooper camp: This is very desperate stuff. This stunt tonight is straight out of the Ed Balls handbook.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    Plato said:

    The variety of non-denial denials is quite entertaining. *to me* and *Jeremy's office are unaware*

    It reminds me of Dair saying Ah, but that was in February - it's July...

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn on Raed Salah: "He did not at any stage utter any antisemitic remarks to me". The next Labour leader actually said that.

    Jesus: I knew he was anti-Semite months and months ago and I've never even met the guy.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited August 2015
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @cathynewman: So @Corbyn4Leader admits he may have given money to group run by Holocaust denier but says wouldn't have done had he known his views #c4news

    So either Corbyn is a fool - or he thinks we are....
    I think we do have supporting evidence that Jezzbollah is - as SeanT suggests - a bit thick.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    HurstLlama said:

    God, I am pissed off. Everything seems to be wearing out or falling apart.

    It started off in early July, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare-footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me; tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fellsm even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her "we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks' Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    @HurstLlama, old chap, I really feel for you. I know what it's like to have shirts, socks and other apparel, suddenly and surreptitiously disappear from wardrobe or cupboard. It happens when the lady of the house starts sniffing around for something to do; after completing years of work and keeping the property tidy and clean, the female of the species has the urge to clean up the male by getting rid of his favourite and loved clothes.

    Not to worry. Or rather, worry when your favourite set of dentures goes missing; the gaps are enormous.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Sean T...I know.. still have a pair bought in 1967.. for a job on the Eiger ..they don't leak either
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @cathynewman: So @Corbyn4Leader admits he may have given money to group run by Holocaust denier but says wouldn't have done had he known his views #c4news

    So either Corbyn is a fool - or he thinks we are....
    The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    rullko said:

    SeanT said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn on Raed Salah: "He did not at any stage utter any antisemitic remarks to me". The next Labour leader actually said that.

    To be fair there are loads of senior lefties and Labourites who have associated far too closely with Islamists, Holocaust deniers, terrorists. It's just that Jezbollah is the first to get real scrutiny on the issue.
    Well, yes. Burnham and Cooper were both members of a government which didn't just say cordial things about anti-semites, but actively armed Gaddafi, al-Assad and the Saudis.
    There are very very few good choices in the Middle East. We should certainly stop being quite as cosy with the Saudis and Qataris as we are. But there is a difference between the demands of realpolitik, when you are in government, and the choices you make as a backbencher with no official standing of any kind. JC is rightly being called out on the choices he has made. I hope that people like Blait and others will be called out on the decisions they made. But Blair's failings do not excuse or justify Corbyn's own failings.

    For far too long the Left has talked loudly about racism but turned a blind eye or worse to the illiberalism of groups if they were either ethnic minorities or foreign minority religions, provided those groups voted for them. It is and has been a disgraceful position and it would be nice if the chaos and violence engulfing the Middle East and the various atrocities in Europe might at last open their eyes.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    HYUFD said:

    Have just completed and posted my ballot for the Labour Leadership election

    For leader I voted:

    1. Burnham
    2. Kendall
    3. Corbyn
    4. Cooper

    For Deputy I voted:

    1. Creasy
    2. Flint
    3. Bradshaw
    4. Watson
    5. Eagle

    How you come to think about the people mentioned above is beyond me. To actually vote for them shows a nervous breakdown is coming. A wave of such breakdowns is threatening to engulf certain PBers.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,338
    MikeK said:



    HurstLlama said:



    It started off in early July, my walking boots went. I was walking up Wolstonbury Hill when the left boot basically fell apart. Multiple points of failure, I was left effectively 50% bare-footed miles from home and with no mobile phone. I was very fond of those boots and had worn them in the ice and snow to the blistering heat of the Arabian desert, and I had always looked after them very carefully. I wanted to take them back to the shop and complain but Herself wouldn't let me - firstly because the shop wasn't there anymore and secondly that they had lasted for thirty-two years.

    Then at the beginning of this month my walking sandals also fell apart. They were Clarks Trekkies and I bought them in the Spring of 1994 when I was carrying my son around in a rucksack with holes cut out for his legs. OK I'd worn a bit of a hole in the right sole but nothing I couldn't cope with and there should have been years left in them. Those sandals had been everywhere with me; tropical jungles, deserts, the tops of the lakeland fellsm even Liverpool. Now consigned to the dustbin.

    To add insult to injury my wife has been through my wardrobe and thrown out some favourite casual shirts because they were a "disgrace". This is all part of her "we are pensioners now and need a new start kick" that has taken hold since she turned sixty. Even me pointing out that she had bought me those shirts and there were photos of me wearing at least some of them on our honeymoon could not save them.

    Then finally out for my walk this evening limping along, I might say, in the beastly new sandals she has bought me, my best pair of shorts also suffered multiple and catastrophic failure. I was left standing in the field behind Washbrooks' Farm in what appeared to be more of a grass-skirt than an item of respectable gents walking attire. Marks and Spencers those shorts were and less than ten years old.

    On top of which my eyesight seems now to be permanently fecked, my kidneys are going haywire again for no apparent reason, my computer, recently upgraded to Windows 10, makes noises at me at random intervals, and I forgot to buy whiskey this morning.

    @HurstLlama, old chap, I really feel for you. I know what it's like to have shirts, socks and other apparel, suddenly and surreptitiously disappear from wardrobe or cupboard. It happens when the lady of the house starts sniffing around for something to do; after completing years of work and keeping the property tidy and clean, the female of the species has the urge to clean up the male by getting rid of his favourite and loved clothes.

    Not to worry. Or rather, worry when your favourite set of dentures goes missing; the gaps are enormous.
    She only does this to make space for her own clothes so that you can admire her beauty and your own good fortune in being with her!

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