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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    antifrank said:

    I've been out for the afternoon and thanks for all the kind comments.

    To answer SeanT's question, I usually write these pieces at weekends or in the morning before work. The hardest bit is the thinking, which I do in the bath or in particularly dull internal meetings.

    Hah. I catch up on my emails...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The odd thing is the Swedish authorities seem to think they can hush things up in the age of the internet when any Tom, Dick or Harry with a smartphone can looks things up on foreign websites if they're not available domestically.
    JEO said:

    SeanT said:


    It's not just Sweden (where we still don't know whether it was terrorism or not). In France the authorities tried to deny a link to terrorism ("we're looking at mental illness") when a Muslim man shouting Allahu Ahkbar drove a car into crowds of shoppers.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dijon-attack-car-driver-mows-down-pedestrians-in-eastern-france-invoking-allah-9939181.html

    Course there was no link to terrorism. France has no history of this.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1508811/latest-in-a-series-of-attacks-in-france

    Seems to me there is a Europe-wide policy of playing down ALL these attacks, Sweden is just the latest, and maybe the weirdest.

    I am very thankful for the internet. It means that we can hear about all the things going on that the authorities and media historically covered up. That at least allows those of us who pay attention to form opinions outside those desired by the establishment.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    Don't say that; you'll only make Sunil more depressed
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. JS, perhaps they can.

    We're discussing it here, but this is a website focused on 3rd and 4th century BC warfare politics and current events. Will the BBC cover it? ITV? Sky? Will it make a splash in the papers?

    Perhaps. We'll see.

    As an aside, I was displeased by the lack of mention of the horrific treatment of POWs during the BBC's recent piece on Japan offering apologies, or not, for their WWII conduct. It was material to the moral aspect of the war, and a glaring omission.

    Mr. 43, np. Have you changed your username?
  • AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    That's nothing, Andy!

    In India, at Census 2011, they had:

    623,724,248 men

    586,469,174 women

    37,255,074 more men than women


  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,247



    Mr. 43, np. Have you changed your username?

    Only slightly. Was 42 before. It knew about the user name but not the email address I was using, I think. Or maybe I logged in via Google ID - was that offered before?

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    That's nothing, Andy!

    In India, at Census 2011, they had:

    623,724,248 men

    586,469,174 women

    37,255,074 more men than women


    I know, but that's down to another factor altogether, ie. favouring boys over girls.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,728
    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    They have a serious problem. But in Sweden it seems that trying to argue against mass immigration is like trying to advocate unionism in Dundee.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. 43, you used to be the answer to life, the universe, and everything...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    That's nothing, Andy!

    In India, at Census 2011, they had:

    623,724,248 men

    586,469,174 women

    37,255,074 more men than women


    That suggests about 20 million female abortions or deaths.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,419

    Mr. Calum, as you say, it's a steaming mound of idiocy.

    You *could* enforce it if you had constituencies be purely male or female and then enforced an even gender split on the lists (so, two gender-segregated lists).

    As a concept, it's mental and ridiculous, although it does have some small comedy value and highlights Dugdale's daftness.

    Mr. 43, welcome to pb.com.

    Are you a 13" or an 18" man ?

    http://thewptformula.com/2015/08/08/analysis-13-vs-18-wheels/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Pulpstar, not sure if you saw, but I just retweeted that (MorrisF1, for those curious).

    13" is quite enough for me.

    Shoving a huge additional cost on a sport where perhaps half the field is struggling for financial survival is stupid. Of course, if money were divided fairly, it'd be a different matter.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015

    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    They have a serious problem. But in Sweden it seems that trying to argue against mass immigration is like trying to advocate unionism in Dundee.
    I think the problem in Sweden is that the political class have this self-image of themselves as the ultimate global do-gooders and they can't bring themselves to do anything which challenges that image. Their attitude is such that they may end up propelling the far-right Swedish Democrats to power with voters getting fed up with the overweening consensus amongst the other parties.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Mr. 43, you used to be the answer to life, the universe, and everything...

    42.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    New thread.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,728
    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    I've been out for the afternoon and thanks for all the kind comments.

    To answer SeanT's question, I usually write these pieces at weekends or in the morning before work. The hardest bit is the thinking, which I do in the bath or in particularly dull internal meetings.

    Hah. I catch up on my emails...
    Charles said:

    antifrank said:

    I've been out for the afternoon and thanks for all the kind comments.

    To answer SeanT's question, I usually write these pieces at weekends or in the morning before work. The hardest bit is the thinking, which I do in the bath or in particularly dull internal meetings.

    Hah. I catch up on my emails...
    He puts us all to shame. It takes me between 8-10 hours to mull over, draft, source, write, check and publish a blogpost.
    Over 3-4 evenings!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,991
    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men

    Yeah, but aren't they all 80+?

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2015

    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men

    Yeah, but aren't they all 80+?

    Yes but you'd expect the same pattern in Sweden as well, and in other European/Western countries.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13599931.New_Scottish_Labour_leader_Kezia_Dugdale_inherits_an_in_tray_of_problems/

    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion. Matheson has already said he'll be pursing a Holyrood spot.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.
  • rullkorullko Posts: 161
    calum said:

    As the dust settles after the SLAB leadership announcements, SLAB are about to show the UK Labour party anything you can do we can do better, as it appears SLAB are on the point of splitting into Glasgow SLAB and Edinburgh SLAB:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13599931.New_Scottish_Labour_leader_Kezia_Dugdale_inherits_an_in_tray_of_problems/

    In the Glasgow corner we have SLAB staffers from the pre-McMurphy era led by Neil Findlay and keen to tie themselves to the Corbyn mast. Meanwhile the Glasgow City council leader, Matheson, is in the process of being removed following the recent by-election defeat, half the councillors have already signed a no confidence motion. Matheson has already said he'll be pursing a Holyrood spot.

    In the Edinburgh corner we have Kezia and the battered remnants of Blairism/McMurphyism fighting their last stand against Corbyn - with John McT and Blair McD busily trying to secure their futures at basically anyone else's expense.

    I think Kezia's first challenge is to manage expectations around Holyrood 2016, based on current polling SLAB would lose all of their 13 constituency seats and be left with just 25 list seats.

    The problem facing Kezia is that there are already going to be around 100 candidates after these 25 list seats. Kezia and her deputy are guaranteed 1st place on their regional lists, other than that it's going to get messy !! - I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the existing SLAB list MSPs who get culled by Kezia & co. to stand as independents or even dance with the devil of Solidarity.

    Any idea where Matheson's hoping to stand? I assume he doesn't think there's any point going for a constituency, so...Glasgow list? Or would he prefer to go somewhere people don't know him so well?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040

    AndyJS said:

    It looks like Sweden has taken in so many immigrants that the usual female/male balance of the population that you get in developed Western countries has been reversed. In the UK there are more than a million more women than men, in Sweden they now have more men than women.

    They have a serious problem. But in Sweden it seems that trying to argue against mass immigration is like trying to advocate unionism in Dundee.
    An excellent pastime that I can recommend.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ydoethur said:

    Disraeli said:

    I fully agree with Nicola Sturgeon's comment:
    “if in Scotland we faced exit from the EU, effectively against our will – something which the polling suggests could happen – it would not be at all surprising if that caused a swell of demand for a further independence referendum.”

    I understand her anguish that Scotland may find itself outvoted by the other nations of the Union, and having decisions foisted on them for which Scotland has not voted.

    Well she'd better get used to it - if Scotland does indeed join the EU post independence then she'll find this sort of situation cropping up quite a lot.

    I think we should give Sturgeon her desired block on the EU referendum... but only as long as the Orkney & Shetlands Islands get a similar block on the next Scottish indyref.
    The 1979 referendum did of course have a sort of blocker clause - not just 50% of those voting, but a minimum of 40% of those entitled to vote. If Cameron wanted to be really awkward in the event of the second referendum, that is one provision that could be brought back and might be tricky to argue against (given the recent rejection in a previous referendum and the importance of the issue).
    It is trivially easy to argue against.
  • 'And the SNP is strengthening its grip. In the most recent local authority by-elections, it is recording bigger swings even than it achieved in the general election in May. In the most recent opinion poll, the SNP polled 62% support for the constituency section of the Scottish Parliamentary elections for 2016.'

    Nothing has changed. The change took place during the indyref. Support for independence was as low as 23% prior give or take. The indyref raised it to 45% give or take. Before the indyref I wasnt very much for it. But having been asked the question I am now very much for it. Hard and fast I am on that. You can call it nationalism. I dont quite. All I can say is that my vote for the SNP is because I firmly believe independence is the best option for Scotland - and the SNP are the best placed vehicle to deliver it. I can assume the bulk of the #45 are the same. The SNP doesn't need to produce 'all the answers' for us, because for 'us' - the core #45 - INDEPENDENCE is the answer. So its not that the SNP are 'continuing' to sway voters in my opinion, its just that the solid bloke of indy support - the 45? - is now showing that shift of opinion created during the indyref as votes. Nothing, I would argue has really changed since Sep 18th really, except the SNP may have picked up 'some' support from those who voted no.

    They are between a rock and a hard place the SNP I think now. Put another indyref in the manifesto - outcry from the #55 give or take. Dont put it in - outcry from the #45 give or take. A potentially difficult parh to walk. Nothing garaunteed. All still to play for. I for one am hesitant on a 2nd indyref for sure. But only because opinion hasn't changed enough, it is too early since the last one definitely, and a 2nd loose would damage the goal...I at least believe. We wait with bated breath for what the SNP have considered/discussed and decided for their 2016 manufesto. Inpedendence as realised is no easy thing. Patience for sure will without a doubt be required. Interesting times ahead. And good luck to all!
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Ah! The gnats are into damage limitation tonight . Nothing to do with a major cockup from Sturgeon : Nicola Sturgeon: Judge me on education record. Guilty as charged. Not year zero, year 8. Education is devolved. When will she resign in shame? Will her consort, Peter Murrell leave off from cleaning the kitchen and try and save her career?

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